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00:25 <Bleeko> I basically treat cancellation like carrying around a live grenade.   Could be super useful but can also go south with a moment's lapse of concentration
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01:31 <Furey> omg throne wish
01:38 <rld> <@karafruit (she/her)> can confirm that the "going commando" achievement is working 😄 (Master Kaen will have to wait until another day though)
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01:41 <Furey> nice, karafruit!
01:42 <karafruit> :D
01:50 <Furey> rats. all fountains gone, all sinks gone. (dlvl 20 and above). too bad, because smoky potions are extra healing this game. no AYEW for me!
01:52 <K2> new achievement: use up all sinks and/or fountains in the game
01:52 <karafruit> I was sad I didn't get a throne wish from my one throne so far, but smoky are polymorph so they're p rare anyway
01:53 <karafruit> healing is milky though which I foresee being potentially dangerous
01:54 <Furey> k2: what about ungenerated levels? does the hero have to visit every level, or are many heroes going to achieve it on turn 1 if no sinks/fountains are on dlvl 1?
01:55 <K2> to preserve sanity, only generated levels
02:00 <K2> hmm yeah
02:00 <K2> start game, fountain on dlvl 1, use it up, die. achievement earned
02:00 <K2> no bueno
02:01 <K2> maybe something like 'use up all fountains in the game that you ascended'
02:01 <K2> but now this is getting silly
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02:02 <K2> more sane would be 'use up x number of fountains in one game'
02:02 <karafruit> "use up all the fountains in minetown and oracle level"?
02:02 <K2> yeah something like that
02:03 <Furey> things that are "in the game you ascended" are more like conducts
02:03 <K2> i only said something because Furey said all of the sinks and fountains in his game were gone
02:03 <K2> heh
02:03 <Furey> fair enough
02:04 <Furey> a guest's job is to amuse the host :)
02:05 <K2> https://youtu.be/yD0XIowNAG8?si=jAbTOuB4aW7ATE6f&t=52
02:05 <karafruit> shoutouts to the shocking sphere I lured onto a polymorph trap so I wouldn't get shocked... only to have it turn into a Blue Dragon
02:05 <K2> \o/
02:06 <K2> at least you really dont have to worry about shocking spheres in 3.6
02:06 <K2> it's 3.7 where they got nasty (and xnethack/evilhack before 3.7)
02:07 <Furey> hey somehow i got one of these: an uncursed egg named Easter Egg
02:07 <Demo> black dragon is less dangerous than shocking sphere in 3.7?
02:07 <Demo> blue*
02:07 <karafruit> yeah I probably shoulda just let it hit me. But on the bright side, the corpse of the dragon gave me the resistance :D
02:07 <K2> double \o/
02:07 <karafruit> let the shocking sphere hit me I mean
02:07 <karafruit> I'd have put the scales in the swap chest if it'd dropped them, but alas :<
02:08 <karafruit> though no one wants blue in 3.6 anyway
02:08 <karafruit> or 3.7 but there's more reason at least
02:09 <Demo> at the start of tnnt k2 is gonna beat me up in throw me in the swap chest (its like a locker but 2x bullying multiplier) and then im gonna stay in it all month cause noone wants to take me out of it (i think stuff expires now but whatever)
02:09 <karafruit> c - a figurine of Demo
02:10 <K2> hahah
02:18 <Furey> K2, are clans enabled with an eye that you want us to exercise them and report bugs?
02:18 <K2> they were briefly, just wanted to verify they could still be made. turned it off
02:20 <Furey> ah okay, i'll just ascend on my ownsome
02:30 <tjw> Slim pickings in the US swapchest
02:31 <bouquet> heya
02:32 <bouquet> is tnnt just testing right now?
02:32 <tjw> beta testing
02:33 <bouquet> can alphas test too?  ba-dum-tsh!
02:33 <Furey> there might be a few more things in valley of the dead chest
02:34 <Furey> doh, the chests "have a common pool of objects"
02:34 <karafruit> I think I put a robe in or something, there were only like three things when I looked
02:34 <Furey> i put in a ring of conflict and some spellbook
02:34 <karafruit> I wasn't feeling generous enough to give up one of my magic markers
02:34 <tjw> I assume the distribution formula is the same as 2023?
02:35 <Furey> i think so, haven't seen any github commits that would change it
02:37 <Furey> are you doing a conduct? i could wish up an object and hustle down to votd
02:39 <karafruit> aaaaagh I told myself I was done for the night but now I wanna play more ;.;
02:41 <Furey> hey you got the yellow clover, that's a milestone
02:41 <karafruit> yeppp
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03:12 <tjw> I'm practicing my atheist Samurai, currently not near either swapchest
03:15 <tjw> ...and of course I get a magic lamp but it's cursed
03:15 <Furey> i can do amulet of life saving, or gauntlets of power, or some holy water (without even wishing)
03:17 <tjw> I'll try to r-t-q before heading to either swapchest
03:17 <Furey> okay sounds good
03:29 <tjw> lol my arena opponent is myself - are the initial npcs taken from last year's ascenders?
03:29 <Furey> i got tjw also, i think it's just seeded with you
03:30 <Furey> iirc my arena!tjw had ac -34
03:30 <tjw> lucky me, I chased you out?
03:30 <Furey> yeah i was not prepped enough to hit that ac!
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03:31 <Furey> and no one has ascended so far in beta afaik
03:31 <tjw> I'm in the same boat, especially since I don't have maxed luck due to no sacrifices
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03:40 <Furey> throw gems to unicorns?
03:46 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> should be an achievement for quaffing 30 times
03:46 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> this is gambling i can get behind
03:47 <Furey> You have received wishes from: wand lamp bottle throne
03:47 <Furey> ... and no fountains left. better luck next life!
03:48 <tjw> Yeah I just cornered a unicorn and tossed it a ruby
03:53 <Furey> magic harp into US swap chest
04:01 <tjw> I'll take some holy water if you have it handy
04:03 <Furey> argh, too late, i'm donated out
04:04 <tjw> no worries
04:27 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> fountain is by far the worst wish source to try and get
04:27 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> it's like less than 1% at its most likely lol
04:28 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> well maybe it's 2% on level 1? maybe I made that up
04:29 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> it is 1.9% on level 1. I am such a genius
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05:25 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I was tossing around the idea of what an all-achievement game would look like, and at first I just thought it would require impossible amounts of luck (there's like 25 or so achievements that simply can't be achieved if you get unlucky), but it turns out it's impossible, thanks to a couple role-specific achievements
05:25 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> "destroy a monster with #turn", "wear a cornuthaum as a wizard", and "throw mjollnir and have it return to your hand", specifically
05:26 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I knew an all achievement game was functionally impossible legitimately, but even rng-manip couldn't pull it off :((
05:39 <Furey> the player also cannot kill 8 demon princes, bribe one with 1 gp, and bribe one with 25000 gp
05:42 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> or make one escape the dungeon and also kill them
05:45 <Furey> i think it's also impossible to receive the quest permadeaf and chat with the wise old man, because permadeaf can never be cured
05:47 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I suppose you'd hope for orctown so you can get minetown avenger instead
05:47 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> another pair of mutually exclusive achievements
05:49 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> you also need at least 2 wands of wishing, there's that one for breaking one with at least one wish left, and one for wresting a wish
05:49 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> this achievement stuff is tricky
06:02 <Furey> it's too much for one game. have to spread it out across multiple games. and across more than one player, if the players are around my level.
06:04 <Furey> hmm, i just ascended (with about 153 achievements and a trophy for never letting a rider die) ... but beta scoreboards are just ignoring the game
06:05 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> grats!
06:06 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I think I'll try to get a beta ascension with a lot of achievements and then use what went wrong to adjust my strategy
06:06 <Furey> what role do you fancy for that?
06:07 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> gonna do neutral wiz
06:07 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> neutral for vorpal, wiz for the fact that it's wiz
06:08 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> wiz has one role-specific achievement, one only a couple roles can get (freeing a prisoner), and their abilites make a bunch of the other achievements much more attainable
06:08 <Furey> yeah there's a ton and a half of polypiling, pet charming, and other magical stuff
06:10 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> they're really really great as a role for enabling you to do stupid shit
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06:10 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> which is what half these achievements are :p
06:10 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> tbh the achievement that irks me the most is the dudley one
06:10 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> most of the achievements are funny and a good way to sidetrack yourself
06:10 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> that one just sucks
06:12 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I've reconciled with doorstopper by realizing I can save it until I do the -13 luck achievement
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06:13 <Furey> one player's "funny" is another player's "this sucks".
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06:14 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> that might have come off wrong, by "funny" I meant "enjoyable"
06:14 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> no one likes doing the dudley achievement
06:15 <Furey> i like it
06:15 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I don't believe you are a real person
06:15 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> surely some sort of highly advanced AI
06:15 <Furey> i pass the nethack turing test. no bot can ascend a nethack game.
06:15 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> heheheh true that
06:15 <Furey> bots can chat, but they can't play.
06:16 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I don't know why I'm surprised by stuff like this anymore. I need to learn to not underestimate the eccentricity of the nethack community
06:17 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> there's probably someone who gets excited about the full elven
06:17 <Furey> just *playing* nethack is eccentic.
06:18 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> THAT is a statement matched in truth by none other
06:18 <Furey> whew, my game results showed up, guess it just needed a cron job.
06:19 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I'm scribbling categorized lists of tnnt achievements on scrap paper. this is not normal behavior :p
06:19 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> aha I see it
06:20 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> wow, almost a full day of realtime hours. though that doesn't take into account being afk and the like
06:21 <Furey> yeah i play slow
06:21 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I hear that's the way to do it
06:21 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> how come only the temple on astral is mapped? did you get amnesia
06:22 <Furey> yup, that's amnesia on purpose, just to look unique
06:23 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> gotcha
06:23 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> certainly through me for a loop
06:23 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> *threw
06:24 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> why's english gotta be like that. it's the same sound dammit
06:24 <Arseniy> true
06:25 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I nearly spelled 'cancer' as 'canswer' the other day
06:25 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> though that's a slightly more egregious error, I think :p
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06:43 <tjw> gg Furey
06:44 <Furey> thanks!
06:44 <Furey> new "do not let XXX die" code didn't show any problems, it just worked
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08:29 <rld> <@joes5898> no fkn way. This is way I dislike uniform distributions