00:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1344 points, T:4327, killed by a jaguar
00:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2112 (0:13:08)
00:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slth] di (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 17896 points, T:4672, quit
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00:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 2947 points, T:3591, killed by a magic missile
00:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slth] post163 (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire
00:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2018 (0:10:26)
00:27 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire
00:28 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dyriade (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3866
00:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] alexaugust (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1456 points, T:2929, killed by a giant beetle
00:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 3423 points, T:3651, killed by a drow zombie
00:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3407
00:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning
00:40 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dyriade (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:5083
00:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4726 points, T:3522, killed by a magic missile cast by himself
00:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dyriade (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2989 points, T:5251, killed by a rothe
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00:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 298 points, T:561, killed by an orc zombie
00:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Mallwyd, the quality apparel and accessories proprietor, on T:350
00:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2591 (0:17:54)
01:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:33678
01:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) was bestowed with Fire Brand by Lugh, on T:68249
01:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided arch-liches, on T:34581 (20:07:29)
01:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Dragon Caves, on T:34902 (20:13:37)
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01:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] Peteird (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:33487 (8:35:09)
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01:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +3 gray dragon scales", on T:6378 (0:55:18)
01:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a giant mimic), on T:5494
01:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law), 47 points, T:78, killed by a small mimic
01:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dwa Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:6831 (0:58:16)
01:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8457 (4:24:53)
01:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4046 points, T:5595, killed by a plains centaur
01:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1656
01:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3700 points, T:3203, killed by an Uruk-hai
02:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Mon Hum Mal Cha) murdered Upior, his faithful large dog, on T:10904
02:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1146
02:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dwa Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10963 (1:31:06)
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02:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dwa Mal Law) had a leather dwarvish cloak entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:11938 (1:38:22)
02:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) murdered Tau, his faithful warhorse, on T:69289
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02:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dwa Mal Law) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:13684 (1:45:26)
02:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Vlad's tower, on T:37057 (21:17:29)
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02:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) was bestowed with Snickersnee by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5901
02:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slth] xtof54 (Bar Elf Mal Neu) killed Grund the Orc King, on T:23777
02:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sheol, on T:37691 (21:30:09)
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02:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] cpittman (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided master liches, on T:37695 (21:45:29)
02:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [hackm] PeterSays (Nec Dop Mal Cha), 307 points, T:464, killed by an electric shock
02:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a black pudding, on T:10009
03:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [hackm] PeterSays (Hea Hob Mal Neu), 65 points, T:320, killed by a succubus called Meraxes
03:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] alexaugust (Sam Hum Fem Law), 572 points, T:1133, killed by a gnome
03:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [hackm] PeterSays (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 189 points, T:534, killed by a rabbit
03:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:10788
03:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", got "a greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:11512
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03:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:12025
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03:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:22607 (2:49:50)
03:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] alexaugust (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1192 points, T:2136, killed by a bolt of cold played by a gnome
03:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:17205
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03:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Jera (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 8881 points, T:5103, killed by a silver dart
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03:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law), 44142 points, T:18612, killed by a giant zombie
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03:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1560
04:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) was bestowed with Snickersnee by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:2461
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04:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a human mummy, on T:4535
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04:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6795
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04:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 2497 points, T:1853, killed by a Woodland-elf
04:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] alexaugust (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed alexaugust's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:655
04:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] alexaugust (Sam Hum Mal Law), 536 points, T:671, killed by a dwarf
05:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a tripe ration, on T:13905
05:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 14046 points, T:15124, killed by a dwarf lord
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05:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 255 points, T:1491, killed by a bugbear
05:31 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2844
05:38 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Law), 253 points, T:237, killed by a tower of flame
05:47 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3165 points, T:4877, killed by an Elvenqueen
05:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1099
05:52 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Law) was given Godhands, on T:1299
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06:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Fem Law) was given Ring of Thror, on T:3685
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06:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) completed his quest without incident, on T:45495 (17:00:09)
06:48 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nerf] DoktorL (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) the Oracle has been killed, on T:11190
06:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nerf] DoktorL (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:11413
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07:16 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] js808 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 436 points, T:1564, killed by a wererat, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze
07:21 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6735
07:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nerf] DoktorL (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "cursed marker", got "a magic marker", on T:13630
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08:08 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2392 (0:12:26)
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08:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Dwa Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3984
08:19 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4649
08:20 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3857 points, T:4745, poisoned by an orcish arrow
08:21 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful owlbear, on T:52 (0:00:43)
08:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a spear entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:103719 (1 day, 21:00:14)
08:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1796 (0:10:33)
08:33 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 3552 points, T:6098, killed by a killer bee
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08:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3240 (0:19:15)
08:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nerf] mobileuser (Pri Vam Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:10206
08:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4202
08:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5975 points, T:4224, killed by a hill orc called Ogunaoth of Zogunu
08:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Rog Hum Mal Cha) was bestowed with Trollsbane by Kos, on T:13144
09:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 211 points, T:729, killed by a boulder
09:16 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3484 (0:16:32)
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09:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Chibougamau, the general store proprietor, on T:15879
09:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Rellenk, the hardware store proprietor, on T:15961
09:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Izchak, the lighting store proprietor, on T:16005
09:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Djasinga, the delicatessen proprietor, on T:16030
09:26 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3016 points, T:4148, killed by an invisible soldier ant
09:27 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1662 points, T:1163, killed by a water demon
09:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 25638 points, T:16301, killed by a mumak
09:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was bestowed with Magicbane by Anhur, on T:2296
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09:44 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:14025
09:49 <K2> wooo last day of the year
09:50 <K2> wait, everyone in australia, it's 2025 already
09:50 <K2> \o/
09:51 <Demo> 2025 is a good year cause I'm in it
09:52 <Demo> so I can trust I'll make sure it's a good year
09:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", got "a pair of old gloves", on T:4702
09:53 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Fem Law) was given Frost Brand, on T:14726
09:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 9823 points, T:4794, petrified by a chickatrice
09:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] Peteird (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Moria, on T:35536 (9:38:16)
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10:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 8 throwing stars on an altar, on T:3413
10:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] Peteird (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Durin's Bane, on T:35854
10:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed magic marker", on T:55132 (10:21:26)
10:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 stone helm of brilliance", on T:55135 (10:22:05)
10:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide bracers of decay", on T:55140 (10:22:52)
10:12 <rld> <@malorpower> that's a great attitude
10:13 <rld> <@malorpower> demo I mean
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10:22 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3588
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10:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:56226 (10:46:06)
10:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] Peteird (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:36740
10:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:56261 (10:46:50)
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10:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 281 points, T:2732, killed by a small mimic
10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered Mao, her faithful kitten, on T:629
10:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] trying (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1113 points, T:2776, killed by a homunculus, while fainted from lack of food
10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 152 points, T:1191, killed by a system shock
11:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:57954 (11:26:44)
11:11 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 1476 points, T:4449, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping
11:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:19610
11:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1088 points, T:1053, killed by a hill orc, while sleeping
11:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:18409 (2:42:14)
11:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:18423 (2:42:38)
11:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:24439 (3:07:50)
11:23 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Gno Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6201
11:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of steel gauntlets entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:18987 (2:53:22)
11:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) used a forge to create the Hammer of the Gods, on T:108250 (1 day, 23:08:59)
11:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:19007 (2:54:02)
11:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] Peteird (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Fort Ludios, on T:38770 (11:05:38)
11:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:58481 (11:42:12)
11:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Shrigis (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1619
11:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:108485 (1 day, 23:10:10)
11:27 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6745
11:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:58599 (11:44:53)
11:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:58599 (11:44:57)
11:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:58600 (11:45:21)
11:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nirol0 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) Flims, the liquor emporium proprietor, has been killed, on T:35120
11:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4500
11:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:26593
11:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:26607
11:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 182909 points, T:19261, petrified by a cockatrice
11:31 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2501 points, T:7341, killed by a fire ant
11:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5339 points, T:4719, killed by a water demon
11:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:26758
11:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Shrigis (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3946 points, T:2388, killed by a hill orc called Rukuothu of Haiaun
11:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh4] ZlojSerge (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 33252 points, T:2624, killed by a killer bee
11:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] DramaticBeets (Arc Hum Fem Law) murdered Hindemit, her faithful little dog, on T:1305
11:36 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Fem Law) was given their Quest, on T:21588
11:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] wsx9000 (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 6787 points, T:3532, killed by a mumak
11:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) declined to perform class genocide, on T:20479
11:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:26857
11:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (3rd time), on T:26865
11:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] Peteird (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:39405
11:44 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] DramaticBeets (Arc Hum Fem Law), 458 points, T:2280, killed by a newt
11:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "", got "a scroll labeled ABRA KA DABRA", on T:20626
11:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) declined to perform genocide, on T:20628
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11:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 494 points, T:589, killed by a gnome
11:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:6387 (0:37:14)
11:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 754 points, T:1449, killed by a rothe
12:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:27268
12:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5th time), on T:27270
12:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:27277
12:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1344 points, T:1487, killed by a dart
12:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 320 points, T:866, killed by a crossbow bolt
12:10 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nerf] DoktorL (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) was bestowed with Magicbane by Thoth, on T:22786
12:11 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:9095 (0:58:43)
12:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 109098 points, T:28321, killed by a red dragon
12:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:59496 (12:31:04)
12:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nirol0 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) found Sunsword on the floor, on T:37534
12:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nirol0 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:37595
12:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:59836 (12:32:24)
12:19 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1722 points, T:2183, killed by a hill orc
12:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1313
12:20 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Law), 339276 points, T:24277, killed by a Sharab Kamerel
12:20 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 83 points, T:152, killed by a fox
12:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1500 (0:09:31)
12:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3111 points, T:2110, killed by a priestess of Thoth
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12:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:64231 (12:52:08)
12:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a staff of divination entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:64582 (12:54:20)
12:39 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:13348 (1:25:53)
12:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 2223 points, T:3223, killed by a giant ant
12:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3218 points, T:2639, killed by a spiked orc
12:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 380895 points, T:20629, quit
12:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] DramaticBeets (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1884 points, T:3083, killed by a gnome lord
13:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:14741 (1:35:57)
13:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1387 points, T:2095, killed by a killer bee, while praying
13:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a gold golem), on T:4122
13:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 948 points, T:1488, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food
13:05 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2029 points, T:1399, killed by a soldier ant
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13:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:44011 (13:34:50)
13:10 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nerf] DoktorL (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:25269
13:10 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nerf] DoktorL (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) found the Eye of the Aethiopica carried by a monster, on T:25269
13:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 227 points, T:1271, killed by a kitten called Fan Seriali
13:11 <Arseniy> \o/
13:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:60714 (17:50:52)
13:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered Hops, his faithful kitten, on T:698
13:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 225 points, T:698, killed by a gas spore's explosion
13:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 38118 points, T:19273, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while paralyzed by a monster
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13:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 263 points, T:607, killed by a hobbit
13:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide toque of decay", on T:109676 (2 days, 1:19:26)
13:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful ice vortex, on T:15 (0:00:16)
13:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide robe", on T:109680 (2 days, 1:20:33)
13:36 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful giant turtle, on T:3 (0:00:04)
13:36 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful lurker above, on T:18 (0:00:16)
13:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] hothraxxa (Arc Vam Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5598
13:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1446 (0:06:08)
13:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1753 points, T:1909, killed by a dwarf
13:45 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 60 points, T:90, killed by a jackal
13:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Jera (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1201 points, T:1971, killed by a dart
13:51 <aoei> this was actually amazing year for me
13:51 <aoei> I ascended NetHack four times
13:52 <aoei> And I beat BilldaCat at turncount then experienced the surprise defeat at the hands of newcomer to the scene DoktorL aka Arseniy, really cool experience 
13:53 <aoei> I love this community 
13:53 <cbus> happy new year!
13:53 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Sangie, her faithful little dog, on T:1245
13:53 <cbus> aoei, grats!
13:55 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I think I won a decent amount this year but I only really remember tnnt
13:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) genocided shocking spheres, on T:110777 (2 days, 1:39:51)
13:57 <Arseniy> If this game makes you feel good then we all feel good for you
13:59 <aoei> I did not even manage to spend a great deal of time playing tnnt this year and it was enough to have a great experience
13:59 <aoei> 12 - 20 hours of play in total, I would estimate 
13:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Val Hum Fem Law), 1604 points, T:2258, killed by a raven
13:59 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I will hopefully start 2025 off strong by winning pacifist evilhack
14:00 <cbus> I got in an ascension in TNNT! :D
14:00 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> wait you did cbus? when lol
14:00 <cbus> I didn't expect to participate at all but did get a single ascension, then lost a streak to a /oSleep
14:00 <aoei> My TNNT turncount game was my first ascension in years even 
14:00 <cbus> started a 3rd game and hit a magic trap and lost one of the code scrolls so just didnt continue (that game was illiterate)
14:00 <cbus> loggers, yeah under "HugeMimic"
14:00 <aosdict> I think I ascended one game this year and YASD'd two ascendable characters in tnnt
14:01 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> ahhhh you were hugemimic
14:01 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> tnnt was such an amazing time. I got so much better at speedrunning
14:01 <cbus> TNNT ftw
14:01 <Arseniy> has anyone done evilhack pacifist before?
14:02 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> no
14:02 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> and probably no one ever will but I’ve deluded myself into trying
14:04 <crunchbubba63> I feel like I'm learning a little bit about the game, but still am not good. BTW, I finished a zillion turn game, finally. ran out of ways to avoid finishing
14:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:28883
14:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3823 (0:35:03)
14:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) used a forge to create Glamdring, on T:111077 (2 days, 1:52:53)
14:09 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> what is it to be good at nethack anyway really
14:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:69038 (13:47:40)
14:09 <crunchbubba63> now I
14:09 <crunchbubba63> for now I'm going with "ascension percentage"
14:10 <crunchbubba63> but zscore is a good measure. I can now see my score combined from various player names, thanks to malor. I might set a goal to move up in that ranking this year
14:11 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I was going to say that you would be better than me by that metric, but my winrate has gone from 0.03% to 0.9% somehow
14:11 <malor> you are welcome crunch.
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14:12 <crunchbubba63> I had been trying to combine the scores, but apparently failed at addition
14:12 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> ahhhh I must have been thinking of my evilhack winrate, that’s still only 0.1%
14:14 <Arseniy> overall winrate doesn't say much if you speedrun or play conducts
14:14 <crunchbubba63> I have startscumming player names, so I can't really do the percentage thing ... what Arseniy said
14:15 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I’m pretty sure scoreboard winrate doesn’t include scummed games
14:15 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> lol I have only slightly less scummed than played games
14:15 <Arseniy> average length of serious streak attempts is a better metric
14:16 <crunchbubba63> nethackscoreboard counts the scums, so I could do that math. looks like maybe 2.4% ascend if scumming is removed
14:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Superfly (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 3184 points, T:5704, killed by a dwarf
14:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:29114
14:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) entered Plane of Earth, on T:29114
14:18 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> oh interesting
14:18 <crunchbubba63> that's a good metric for the very upper end of players, I assume.
14:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:70692 (13:56:37)
14:18 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> hehehe my best streak is 2
14:18 <crunchbubba63> mine too, I think
14:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:111479 (2 days, 2:03:09)
14:19 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> thus begins the intense rivalry between crunchbubba and loggers…
14:20 <crunchbubba63> I think not, loggers
14:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 7538 points, T:5579, killed by a fire ant
14:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:111632 (2 days, 2:05:45)
14:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:111632 (2 days, 2:05:49)
14:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:71206 (14:00:06)
14:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a staff of healing bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:71573 (14:01:32)
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14:27 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4400
14:28 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:629
14:28 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4441
14:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:112218 (2 days, 2:19:03)
14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3183
14:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] T (fsbt490) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2310
14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] hothraxxa (Arc Vam Mal Cha), 8315 points, T:6810, killed by a giant bat
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14:52 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Val Hum Fem Neu), 662 points, T:1632, killed by a gnome
14:53 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 3 points, T:41, killed by a fox
14:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 130 points, T:355, killed by a jackal
14:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2501
14:58 <rld> <@hackemslashem> First Nerf crowning?!
14:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Ith Mal Cha), 36 points, T:244, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food
14:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Shrigis' ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3170
14:58 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Anyone crack an altar yet?
14:59 <Arseniy> I sure will when I resume playing
14:59 <Arseniy> cause I'm post-quest wizard who knows create monster
15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Fukka's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1313
15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] T (fsbt490) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:5592
15:00 <Arseniy> but it sucks lots of balls that there are no altars anywhere in the whole dungeon other than the guaranteed ones
15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed lurchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:1375
15:00 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I can't seem to search this channel in the mobile app, but I don't think I've seen it yet.
15:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3618
15:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Shrigis' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3633
15:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3634
15:01 <rld> <@hackemslashem> There are altars past Medusa in the Lethe levels, risk for reward 😉
15:02 <Arseniy> and they can be converted?
15:02 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Yep yep
15:03 <K2> @Loggers_VIII I believe in you
15:03 <rld> <@hackemslashem> If you are crazy and lucky enough, a deck of fate can make an altar
15:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:72373 (14:43:07)
15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:72476 (14:44:29)
15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create the Armor of Retribution, on T:72525 (14:45:02)
15:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5030
15:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:46051 (14:52:08)
15:14 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> wait, are there no random altars
15:14 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Oh I confused shadow being granted excal with crowning
15:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] hothraxxa (Arc Vam Mal Cha), 603 points, T:1470, killed by a killer mimic called angus (with a silent g)
15:14 <Arseniy> There are, my dungeon just sucks
15:15 <rld> <@hackemslashem> No that is false, just none from levels 1-5
15:15 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> ahhh okay that’s what I had thought
15:15 <rld> <@hackemslashem> The main dungeon is a bit longer and more they can also appear on the Oracle level
15:15 <Arseniy> But I'm ready to unleash my best exploit, you'll going to love it
15:16 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Do your worst!!
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15:17 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Hopefully it's not just quitting lol 😞
15:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Shadowblade, on T:72813 (14:55:53)
15:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:72833 (14:56:27)
15:18 <Arseniy> No it's a genuinely OP strat
15:18 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Fukka (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Fukka's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:4074
15:18 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I'm not able to watch your game rn so you'll have to tell me
15:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6456
15:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Glamdring, on T:72858 (14:57:44)
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15:20 <Arseniy> I won't be playing until tomorrow anyway
15:20 <rld> <@shadow_rider> may as well tell us now
15:20 <rld> <@shadow_rider> :)
15:20 <Arseniy> Don't you dare guess what it is and nerf it before I do it
15:21 <rld> <@hackemslashem> What if there is no tomorrow, or next year??
15:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] oh6 (Tou Elf Mal Neu), 212 points, T:611, killed by a kobold zombie, while sleeping
15:22 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I wouldn't, plus there's a delay in what I can do before it can be updated on the server
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15:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Kni Hlf Mal Law) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:46942
15:24 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6018
15:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Ith Mal Cha), 4013 points, T:7178, killed by a dwarf zombie
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15:26 <rld> <@hackemslashem> At this point I think I've nerfed most, if not all, traditional exploits that were pretty repetitive or boring. Anything after that we could probably call creative thinking now. However, I think there is a general "spirit" of play, and if a strategy is too anti-nethack spirit, I would propose nerfing that. It would need to be fairly extreme at this point tho
15:28 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> arseniy pleaseeee give us the strat
15:28 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Plus, there might just be bugs, which is different from an exploit, because a bug means a clear mistake on the developers end and not how the game was meant to be played.
15:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Kni Hlf Mal Law) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:46991
15:29 <Demo> I found a nerfhack bug last night in my sleep and I've never even played nerfhack
15:30 <rld> <@hackemslashem> If you see one, there's probably 20 more
15:30 <hothraxxa> that was me
15:31 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Hmm, what role race we talking here, I'm feeling a challenge lol
15:33 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> gnome healer
15:33 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Loggers you have played more healer then I :p
15:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Kni Hlf Mal Law) killed Great Cthulhu, on T:47136
15:35 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I thought maybe vampire was involved, but now... However, before release I did catch some potential infinite farming glitches, but I patched those. Could be a farming thing...
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15:36 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Infinite cockroaches from toilets?
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15:40 <rld> <@shadow_rider> is it just the vault guard farm lol
15:40 <aosdict> bet guard farming will be fixed in vanilla 3.8 if not 3.7
15:40 <rld> <@hackemslashem> How could that be different from vanilla? I don't think I changed that
15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) was bestowed with Sunsword by Lugh, on T:80010
15:42 <rld> <@shadow_rider> its not different from vanilla its just op
15:42 <rld> <@hackemslashem> ah lol, if it's that I hope he just tells us I was expecting something nerf-specific
15:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 750 points, T:2635, killed by a gnome
15:46 <Arseniy> it is vault farming :p
15:46 <rld> <@hackemslashem> For a short while, I had tried letting alchemists be able to alchemize acid potions on their own. But later realized this could be easily exploited for infinite acid potion farming. Still like the idea though
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15:46 <aosdict> question for 3.7 players: what are your thoughts on the flashing hitpointbar at critically low levels of HP? trying to figure out how to respond to patr's email where he indicated reverting that was unlikely
15:47 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> oh just vault farming? I thought it would be a nerf-specific thing
15:47 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Ah Arseniy, I've never tried it or seen anybody do it. Is there a wiki entry for it?
15:47 <Arseniy> There is but it doesn't to it justice
15:48 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Hey you do you lol, I'll leave this one as a community issue
15:48 <hothraxxa> it's easy to nerf, just don't give guards potions or scrolls or wands
15:49 <aosdict> or limit the number of guards that spawn per vault to like, 3
15:49 <hothraxxa> aye
15:49 <aosdict> if you tell a guard you're croesus 3 times too bad for you
15:49 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Eh - I'll look into it next year
15:49 <aosdict> this is a suggestion for vanilla not for nerfhack
15:49 <hothraxxa> oh to vault farm you never tell the guard you're croesus
15:49 <aosdict> YANI
15:49 <rld> <@hackemslashem> aosdict: If enough variants do it, I bet vanilla will follow
15:49 <aosdict> hothraxxa: I mean to avoid the "what about a player who gets stuck in a vault indefinitely with no way out"
15:50 <aosdict> if you blow off guards enough times, then it's your fault you're stuck in there
15:50 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Or: Everytime you kill the vault guard, they get stronker
15:50 <aosdict> that implies guards have access to rodney level magics which they don't
15:50 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I feel like that would be the xnethack way to do it
15:51 <aosdict> that wouldn't be the way I'd do it no
15:51 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Maybe the guards come back with better training
15:51 <hothraxxa> or friends
15:51 <rld> <@hackemslashem> They are all brothers
15:51 <Arseniy> or just make them go extinct
15:52 <rld> <@hackemslashem> That might make future vaults barren though
15:52 <aosdict> lord british postulate, you'd get people actively trying to kill as many guards as possible because they want to fight one that's more powerful than demogorgon
15:52 <aosdict> and it doesn't make sense for guards to get that powerful (or really, any more powerful than croesus) anyway
15:52 <rld> <@hackemslashem> EPI: If you make vault guards become extinct - YOU become the vault guard.
15:53 <K2> aosdict I do not like the flashing hp bar in 3.7
15:53 <K2> i wish i could turn it off
15:53 <rld> <@hackemslashem> It can't be that hard to do right?
15:53 <K2> it also adds dashes to the bar which I also do not like
15:53 <K2> anyone else get the dashes?
15:53 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> Rodney guards are hilarious to me
15:53 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> please do that
15:54 <hothraxxa> i feel like i'm back in 1994 and people have discovered <blink>
15:54 <aosdict> per pat the dashes are so the blinking is more noticeable since the bar is usually not very full when it's blinking
15:54 <K2> ugh
15:54 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Loggers_VIII: maybe for nerf 2.1 🙂
15:54 <K2> aosdict: imo all of that should be a user option they can config
15:55 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> I’m fine with the blinking it’s just weird it’s not an option
15:55 <aosdict> I proposed 2 solutions
15:55 <aosdict> 1: use the existing status hilites (blink is already supported), and suggest it by putting it in the default config files
15:56 <aosdict> 2: make "hitpointbar" a status hilite target that can have its blinking configured separately
15:56 <rld> <@hackemslashem> 3: don't get hit
15:56 <aosdict> pat said no to #1 because people won't use it
15:56 <aosdict> even if provided in the default nethackrc, config files usually aren't overwritten when upgrading one's nethack version
15:57 <aosdict> and for #2, it would be too hard to do properly for all windowports
15:57 <aosdict> this frustrates me
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Ith Mal Cha), 17 points, T:139, killed by a fox
15:58 <aosdict> I am quite sure if blinking hpbar that you can't turn off goes into 3.7 it's going to be regarded as one of the worst features, possibly even to the extent servers patch it out
15:58 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I think people would definitely use it, me included. Might take some time, but once people are aware of it they would
15:59 <rld> <@hackemslashem> For solution #1 that is
15:59 <aosdict> oh ok I thought you were endorsing its current state
16:00 <aosdict> you have it in nerfhack, I admittedly haven't seen people complaining about it there
16:00 <K2> aosdict if you want to make a patch for 370-hdf, i'd be interested
16:00 <rld> <@hackemslashem> ^ same
16:00 <K2> it's not changing game mechanics, just look/feel. fair game
16:01 <aosdict> the "patch" is just reverting 7da370d. people can ALREADY configure a status hilite of hitpoints/criticalhp/red&blink if they want
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16:01 <K2> hmm
16:01 <aosdict> and it will affect the hitpointbar
16:02 <aosdict> the problem is convincing patr that he should revert the commit he wrote 
16:02 <K2> well that's not really a problem now is it
16:02 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Huh
16:02 <K2> yay open source
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16:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Jera (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a jaguar, on T:3929
16:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3093
16:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:23540 (6:12:36)
16:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:76524 (15:54:31)
16:17 <paxed> aosdict: i was just going to say just that about criticalhp
16:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Jera (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4839
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16:21 <aosdict> paxed: actually I have to walk back the bit about it affecting the hitpointbar - testing in current xnethack which doesn't have the mandatory blinking, the hitpointbar is still using my status hilites colors, but only the "HP:3" on the second line is blinking
16:22 <paxed> sounds like a bug to me
16:23 <paxed> aosdict: also 7da370d is an "experimental" change, as per pat's own commit msg ;)
16:23 <aosdict> but still, looking at the blink commit changes in wintty and curses, you could keep the code that turns on blinking but change the condition to whether the current status hilite includes blink
16:25 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] laycre (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:29374
16:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:76842 (16:04:02)
16:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Cha) destroyed samiam's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:4292
16:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] T (fsbt490) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 16620 points, T:9628, killed by a dire bear
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16:28 <ajh> have you already seen the japanese manual? https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/34580713
16:31 <Arseniy> lol hackemslashem I saw that
16:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5031
16:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 6623 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Annootok's general store, on T:1532
16:32 <hackemslashem> how many fuckin wands that guy got
16:33 <Arseniy> does cancellation cancel your reflection or what
16:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:77079 (16:11:23)
16:33 <hackemslashem> Yea... 
16:33 <hackemslashem> If it's temporary from the potion, lucky me
16:34 <hackemslashem> Guess I'm lucky I walked away alive...
16:35 <hackemslashem> Now I have just one +13 spear lol
16:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] hackemslashem (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior (level 14), on T:22139
16:39 <hackemslashem> I WILL get that orb
16:40 <Arseniy> I didn't expect two +13 spears though, even with sokoban marker. My dungeons seemde to be pretty barren when it comes to resources more often than not.
16:40 <Arseniy> or were they +7 when you found them
16:41 <rld> <@hackemslashem> One was the original spear, but I got lucky with a big scroll shop and the marker, and the scroll of cloning was perfect.
16:41 <rld> <@hackemslashem> But now I might have to switch back to a shield 😦
16:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] laycre (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30815
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16:48 <rld> <@hackemslashem> The lack of a unicorn horn is not good either...
16:49 <Demo> do what brevishack does and add a unicorn of each alignment to the oracle level :) :) :)
16:50 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3604 (0:18:40)
16:53 <Arseniy> Scroll of cloning? I'll need to read up on that, me being a wizard and all. Can just write it.
16:54 <Arseniy> I mean if I can polypile even some of those 200 scrolls of teleportation from vault guards into anything useful
16:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] rericksn (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Moria, on T:15111 (6:01:32)
16:56 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Just read the wiki on farming, I totally forgot about being able to summon them with a cursed whistle. Probably for 2.1 the simplest thing is altering their drops
16:57 <rld> <@hackemslashem> And for werefoo farming, they can instead summon spell beings which don't leave drops and grant 1xp
16:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slth] di (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the ghost of Regalia, the former Lyrist, on T:3662
16:59 <rld> <@hackemslashem> The scroll of cloning is pretty neat, but not good for wishing items or markers
16:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:5667
17:00 <K2> happy new years everyone if i dont make it back by midnight o/
17:00 <Arseniy> But I don't need to farm werecreatures, I can just spam create monster ad nauseum and conveniently the spell will never time out :p
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17:00 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Happy new year K2!
17:01 <Arseniy> (though I won't, that's just tedious)
17:02 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Arseniy: true, it does have dangers tho, and costs time, energy, and nutrition
17:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 14577 points, T:5992, quit
17:03 <Arseniy> But I'm a wizard and it provides its own nutrition anyway. The only real obstacle is that it's boring and repetative.
17:04 <rld> <@hackemslashem> FIQhack does nerf that, but I think since you are "paying" those 3 things you should get the drops
17:04 <Arseniy> The reason vault farming is so OP is that it's almost automated yet does not require a bot, only copy-pasting
17:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning
17:07 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful dwarf noble, on T:2 (0:00:03)
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17:09 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] DramaticBeets (Arc Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4136
17:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 176 points, T:93, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
17:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] post163 (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Applejack
17:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 112 points, T:100, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Twilight Sparkle
17:10 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:25 (0:00:18)
17:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Kni Hlf Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:47514
17:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] DramaticBeets (Arc Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4472
17:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Kni Hlf Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:47579
17:17 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vinyl (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1078 points, T:8231, killed by a rabid rat
17:17 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] DramaticBeets (Arc Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4610
17:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 420 points, T:1919, killed by kicking a rock
17:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 39317 points, T:21425, killed by a troll, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze
17:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 87 points, T:67, killed by a fox
17:19 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:954 (0:05:24)
17:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] dfl (post163) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 9262 points, T:59, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
17:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold
17:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] sdfl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 244 points, T:179, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
17:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dyn] h (post163) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide
17:21 <aosdict> Arseniy: heh you are toeing the line on the tnnt rules then :)
17:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ace] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 11203 points, T:107, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
17:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 11991 points, T:5525, killed by a gray unicorn
17:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ace] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 3995 points, T:115, killed by a system shock
17:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) genocided master mind flayers, on T:47106 (15:45:14)
17:28 <Arseniy> And that's exactly what I meant by "automated without a bot": it's TNNT-legal because pasting into terminal is explicitly allowed.
17:31 <Umbire> it's just inadvisable in like, 99.9% of cases
17:31 <Umbire> all fun and games until you copy paste into a floating eye's face
17:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 364 points, T:1709, killed by a spear trap
17:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1
17:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning zapped by himself
17:38 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] laycre (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:33924
17:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2321
17:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1156 points, T:2455, killed by a killer bee
17:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Jera (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:10085
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17:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Kni Hlf Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:48158
17:50 <Umbire> ab cathartes 
17:50 <cathartes> ab Umbire
17:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:7178 (0:35:49)
17:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [hackm] PeterSays (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 616 points, T:1151, killed by a water demon
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17:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] rericksn (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Blackmarket, on T:17605 (7:02:28)
17:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Lulea, the jewelers proprietrix, on T:560
18:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Hea Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3042
18:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 20 points, T:1, caught himself in his own ball of lightning
18:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3373
18:08 <Umbire> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/makemon.c#L209 trying to figure out how to parse the defaults for merc generation
18:08 <Umbire> giving the guard article a proper once over, they don't have a specific case for weapons
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 192576 points, T:13443, killed by an invisible Angel of Eilistraee
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1572 points, T:1572, killed by Mr. Thun; the shopkeeper
18:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [hackm] PeterSays (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible SludgeGunkman's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:1679 (0:20:26)
18:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [hackm] PeterSays (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed dungeoneer's ghost, the former Embalmer, on T:2051 (0:25:09)
18:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) entered Plane of Air, on T:29236
18:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by an air elemental), on T:29312
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18:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) entered Plane of Fire, on T:29350
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18:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [hackm] PeterSays (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 3443 points, T:2565, killed by a white unicorn
18:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3050 points, T:3874, killed by a baby shimmering dragon
18:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) entered Plane of Water, on T:29442
18:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 498 points, T:1878, killed by a bear trap
18:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4164
18:38 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] DramaticBeets (Arc Hum Fem Law), 7731 points, T:8260, killed by a mumak
18:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:29583
18:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 567 points, T:906, killed by a gnome
18:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:29609
18:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Famine (2nd time), on T:29657
18:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Famine (3rd time), on T:29673
18:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:78214 (16:35:40)
18:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:78215 (16:35:43)
18:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:29700
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18:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) genocided vampire mages, on T:78515 (16:42:21)
18:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Jera (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:13024
18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence (2nd time), on T:29743
18:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] MishiLoggers (Hea Elf Mal Neu), 373 points, T:954, killed by a gnome lord
18:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence (3rd time), on T:29757
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18:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by an invisible priest called Mike the Lama), on T:29763
18:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Famine (5th time), on T:29765
19:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] MishiLoggers (Hea Elf Mal Neu) murdered Broth Tail, his faithful little dog, on T:337
19:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Death, on T:29795
19:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Death (2nd time), on T:29803
19:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Death (3rd time), on T:29826
19:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Ginebig (Hea Elf Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1005
19:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Ginebig (Hea Elf Fem Neu) was bestowed with Giantslayer by Hermes, on T:1264
19:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Val Hum Mal Law), 3286394 points, T:29857, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/sluggoman/nethack/dumplog/1734619635.nh.html
19:14 <Umbire> gg
19:15 <Umbire> hmmm
19:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] rericksn (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Durin's Bane, on T:18834
19:15 <Loggers_VIII> it's kinda mean that berserking monsters get an HP boost
19:16 <Umbire> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/makemon.c#L209 if I'm reading this right it's: 1/4 chance of dagger as primary, 1/7 of spear as secondary, 1/4 of a knife if they get neither?
19:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Ginebig (Hea Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2012
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19:17 <Umbire> Loggers_VIII, like to current or max HP?
19:17 <Umbire> feels scuffed either way but I wanna gauge how much
19:17 <Loggers_VIII> umbire: current
19:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2102 points, T:2130, killed by a rothe
19:17 <Loggers_VIII> it's pretty significant too
19:18 <Loggers_VIII> gonna be annoying for a red dragon to pull that bs
19:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Arc Hum Mal Law) stole 27 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Gweebarra's second-hand bookstore, on T:1164
19:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 308 points, T:1180, killed by a Kop Lieutenant
19:19 <Loggers_VIII> @?purple worm
19:19 <Beholder> purple worm (w) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 17 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Atk: 2d8 bite physical, 1d10 engulf digest | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, oviparous
19:21 <Umbire> Loggers_VIII, annoying!
19:22 <Umbire> I think I at least see the intent but hm
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19:26 <Arseniy> they also do like twice the damage, as if speed 20 dragon wasn't damaging enough
19:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1499
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19:38 <rld> <@hackemslashem> The problem I ran into while playtesting was that berserkers never really had a chance to...berserk. So giving them a chance to revitalize seemed like the most effective way for the mechanic to manifest
19:39 <Umbire> could do like what evil has but up the odds
19:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 10530 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Ouiatchouane's general store, on T:2533
19:39 <Umbire> to like 2/3, 1/2, something higher
19:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:79216 (17:28:14)
19:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2487 points, T:2905, killed by a watch captain
19:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] hothraxxa (Arc Vam Mal Cha), 4147 points, T:2987, killed by a dwarf zombie
19:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:9334 (0:50:36)
19:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Ginebig (Hea Elf Fem Neu), 4228 points, T:4796, killed by a soldier ant
19:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] howbrutal (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 508 points, T:1194, killed by a werejackal, while fainted from lack of food
19:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was bestowed with Magicbane by Anhur, on T:3134
19:45 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Umbire: I did a fair amount of playtest with it, I'm pretty happy with it where it's at.  It definitely encourages *fast* killing of berserkers
19:49 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Bonus spoiler: new artifact Serenity prevents monsters from berserking 👼
19:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4760
19:53 <Arseniy> Alas, that knowledge will not help my starting pet minotaur, whom I would have whistled into a polytrap by now to avoid berserking, had I not whistled it into a polytrap earlier by accident.
20:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4478 points, T:4225, killed by a panther
20:03 <[> hackemslashem: can the player berserk in any way?
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20:11 <Umbire> barbs can blood rage iirc
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20:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed the orcish high priest of Moloch, on T:112382 (2 days, 2:39:46)
20:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:112383 (2 days, 2:39:47)
20:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:19189
20:20 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I'm actually on the fence about minotaurs having it, but they do seem like they could have a temper...
20:21 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Noisytoot: umbire called it, barbarians get blood rage at low hp
20:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1156 points, T:2125, killed by a gnome
20:23 <Umbire> I'm honestly surprised you didn't
20:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 315 points, T:843, killed by a snake
20:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) was bestowed with Sunsword by Lugh, on T:20898
20:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:112517 (2 days, 3:09:49)
20:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] shadowrider38 (Kni Dwa Mal Law) was bestowed with Grayswandir by Lugh, on T:21342
20:42 <rld> <@shadow_rider> bam
20:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:13721
20:46 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Lucky sunova
20:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:14440
20:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:112529 (2 days, 3:15:14)
20:48 <Arseniy> aren't you supposed to be showered with armour and other junk
20:50 <rld> <@shadow_rider> one thing ive learned from other variants is that one good strategy is to be really lucky
20:50 <rld> <@shadow_rider> hope this helps
20:51 <rld> <@shadow_rider> also an actual nice strat is im farming this abandoned temple for ghosts to train skills
20:51 <rld> <@shadow_rider> might be too strong idk
20:52 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Sunsword and gray is pretty solid!
20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 6096 points, T:7395, killed by an owlbear
20:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:112724 (2 days, 3:26:36)
21:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:17591
21:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:8252
21:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 441 points, T:1444, killed by a rothe
21:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Saint Michael, on T:112973 (2 days, 3:33:19)
21:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law), 50081 points, T:19339, killed by an elf-lord
21:09 <Moult> Whats this vault farming?
21:10 <Umbire> basically using a super-strong pet to kill guards each time you generate one 
21:10 <Umbire> purple worms are a p. good pet for this
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21:11 <Moult> How is that farming
21:11 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> …how would it not be farming
21:11 <Arseniy> guards come with wands, scrolls and potions
21:11 <Umbire> and spare armor should it be needed
21:12 <Arseniy> and I've seen a player take this to an absurd degree and amass enough cursed tin whistles to polypile them into several magic markers
21:12 <Umbire> also that
21:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1901 points, T:2606, killed by a crossbow bolt
21:16 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Oh so it's not just the death drops but the offensive/defensive items on spawn, makes sense
21:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Superfly (Rog Elf Mal Cha), 216 points, T:299, killed by falling down a mine shaft
21:17 <Arseniy> there are no death drops because it's the pet who does the killing
21:17 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Never heard of ghost farming either, I've died a couple times to those from the paralysis
21:18 <Umbire> it's not so much farming as it is using them to train weapons
21:18 <Arseniy> Though maybe a wizard can make it work with finger of death. Worst mass-murderer in nethack history, if not chaotic.
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21:19 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I see, creative!
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21:23 <crunchbubba22> I inherited a game from fweep that he didn't want to finish, and main stash/altar was created by killing the priest temple, and I had to have killed hundreds of ghosts
21:24 <cathartes> guards only leave corpses 1/3 of the time, so farming guards for death drops probably wouldn't be very productive for the amount of effort; the inventory is a bigger deal
21:25 <rld> <@hackemslashem> That's crazy crunch
21:25 <crunchbubba22> I used the vault farming in tnnt top get enough potions of gain level to do the quest
21:25 <crunchbubba22> -p
21:25 <cathartes> oh wait, death drops can happen even if corpse doesn't generate, but it has to be a corpseable square, which the vault wall isn't
21:26 <Arseniy> and used it to get enough potions of gain level to get from sanctum to planes in under 100 turns
21:26 <crunchbubba22> I used potions for that recently, but didn't get them that easily
21:27 <Umbire> speaking of thanks for reminding me 
21:27 <Umbire> I'm doing up the guard article and intended to mention that guards can't get speed items
21:27 <cathartes> they can get speed items
21:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:114319 (2 days, 3:55:25)
21:27 <cathartes> it's documented here: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Miscellaneous_item
21:28 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Hmmm, starting to think about putting ghost farming on the list for 2.1 now, accepting ideas for nerfs lol
21:28 <Umbire> or rather they won't USE them
21:28 <Umbire> I confuse those sometimes, given the case is IN muse
21:29 <Umbire> or, no they won't get them at all
21:29 <Umbire> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/muse.c#L2032
21:29 <Arseniy> if you kill 120 altar ghost, you become a ghost
21:29 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Just when I thought I knew this game, you guys always surprise me...
21:30 <cathartes> Umbire: mtmp->isgd is false here, even if monster is a guard; the wiki page documents it.
21:30 <Umbire> ah so I misread outright
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21:31 <cathartes> I guess this is a bug, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be rendered moot when they patch out guard farming.
21:31 <Umbire> so they can ONLY receive speed items or
21:32 <cathartes> no, they go through the `switch (rn(3))` like any other monster
21:32 <Umbire> hm
21:32 <cathartes> it's just that when case 0 happens, the `return 0` inside the `if` won't execute
21:33 <Umbire> sounds like a bug then I suppose
21:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3072
21:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:114548 (2 days, 4:03:34)
21:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed the White Horse, on T:114550 (2 days, 4:03:36)
21:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:114560 (2 days, 4:04:01)
21:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:114562 (2 days, 4:04:04)
21:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful woolly mammoth, on T:114582 (2 days, 4:04:50)
21:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 443 points, T:1107, killed by a small mimic
21:37 <rld> <@hackemslashem> There's also giant farming from the valk quest, but I don't have any good ideas for that yet.
21:38 <Umbire> is that really necessary to nerf though
21:38 <Umbire> still think the comparison to slex from long ago was mean but it's getting hard to shake the very "for the sake of it" feelings I get
21:40 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Lol don't underestimate the resourcefulness of nethackers umbire, but a good question is if it's in the spirit of nerfhack
21:40 <Umbire> it's a thing only two roles can do tops and only because giants are explicitly part of the quest generation
21:41 <Umbire> and, well, the overall quest theme
21:41 <Loggers_VIII> I think making efforts to change stuff like that crosses the line in the sand for balance of nerfhack from 'annoying' to 'comically oppressive'
21:41 <Umbire> seems a lil goofy to have to upend all that just because some player might get a bunch of STR in the midgame
21:41 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Yes true
21:42 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Just mentioning it cause I saw it on the farming wiki
21:43 <Umbire> not to mention you need a tinning kit for it to be remotely efficient, which isn't remotely guaranteed
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21:46 <Loggers_VIII> Fool uses the adjective 'remotely' twice in the same sentence, asked to leave The Mortal Coil
21:46 <Umbire> No.
21:46 <Loggers_VIII> somewhat related but I think I will begin work on a variant soon
21:47 <Loggers_VIII> I am an aggressively mediocre programmer so it will probably take many moons to reach a playable state
21:54 <Arseniy> tinning kit is guaranteed if you can find a wand of polymorph
21:56 <Umbire> for a level of "guaranteed"
21:56 <Arseniy> though if someone collects every last whistle in the dungeon to polymorph for tinning kit so that they can then go farming and all of that just to max out strength, they probably should get a life instead
22:00 <Umbire> lol
22:01 <Umbire> but yeah there's a point where certain types of 'farming' require enough setup that it's just "man let 'em have it, nbd anyway"
22:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:12234 (7:33:18)
22:12 <rld> <@shadow_rider> ngl i am not against nerfing everything
22:12 <rld> <@shadow_rider> seems like it aligns with the design philosophy of nerfhack
22:12 <Loggers_VIII> silence vagrant
22:13 <Loggers_VIII> biblically accurate nerfhack would not be fun
22:14 <nabru> !time
22:14 <Beholder> nabru: Tue Dec 31 22:14:03 2024 EST
22:14 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I tend to agree with umbire here. There are already enough Giants in that quest anyway. I'm looking more at the kind of stuff that any role/race could do and that is infinitely exploitable and is boring and discourages or delays dungeon exploration
22:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had 14 copper shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:586 (0:02:06)
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22:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1587 (0:06:41)
22:22 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Loggers: I'm trying to wrap my head around what biblically accurate nerfhack would be lol
22:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1381 points, T:1938, killed by a piranha
22:23 <Arseniy> after 40k turns nothing leaves corpses any more and no items spawn in any way
22:25 <rld> <@malorpower> what variant is that?
22:28 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Feels too arbitrary, in some games 40k turns might only be the start of the midgame
22:30 <rld> <@malorpower> you can easily farm the giants in the valk quest withOUT a tinning kit.  I've done it several in multiple variants.  You don't need a tinning kit at all really.  Just eat a giant whenever you get hungry and keep "s500" until you have the strength you want.
22:31 <rld> <@malorpower> @arseniy - is there a variant where you don't get new drops after 40k turns?  Or was that just pontification?
22:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 42 points, T:149, killed by a falling rock
22:32 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4016
22:32 <rld> <@shadow_rider> there is an additional chance for x to not leave a corpse: total x killed / max x that can generate
22:33 <rld> <@shadow_rider> eh that’s probably too lenient
22:33 <rld> <@malorpower> I see.  X has had some harder changes lately, I might need to re-vamp their difficulty on the "official" variant difficulty list.
22:34 <rld> <@malorpower> or were you saying that was the math.  Not "x" the variant.  🙂
22:34 <rld> <@malorpower> bleh
22:34 <rld> <@shadow_rider> haha yeah x the variable
22:34 <rld> <@malorpower> is that a rule in nerf then?
22:34 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Xnh endgame does sound pretty tough too though
22:34 <rld> <@shadow_rider> it’s a suggestion for the problem of farming
22:34 <rld> <@shadow_rider> doesn’t exist anywhere
22:34 <rld> <@malorpower> it is, but at least ghenonmem only has like 7 levels, so that makes it quicker at least 🙂
22:34 <rld> <@malorpower> oh, I see.
22:35 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Malör no we're just jammin ideas lol
22:35 <rld> <@malorpower> I don't see who benefits from that change.  Anyone capable of eating infinite giants doesn't really need to max out their strength anyway, and now the player just gets boned for no game-play value.
22:36 <rld> <@hackemslashem> But... They couple also farm gems too no? And we added gem alchemy
22:36 <rld> <@shadow_rider> the idea is to prevent boring gameplay of farming infinitely without changing the gameplay for a normal player
22:37 <rld> <@shadow_rider> that change no normal player would ever notice
22:37 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Wow, shadow put it even more succinctly
22:39 <rld> <@hackemslashem> It should probably apply to all quests tho, might be weird if only the valk quest was affected
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22:42 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5086
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22:44 <rld> <@Loggers_VIII> biblically accurate nerfhack is nerfhack with everything that could be conceivably nerfed nerfed
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22:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:49161 (17:06:42)
22:47 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Oh lol, that would be booting up the game and it says "you lose!".
22:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] WiisagiLoggers (Bar Hum Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:422
22:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] WiisagiLoggers (Bar Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Superfly's ghost, the former Footpad, on T:1111
22:52 <Loggers_VIII> wow, what an incredible bones. a pile of a single tin whistle
22:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] WiisagiLoggers (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 1095 points, T:1452, killed by an arrow
22:53 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Picked clean!
22:55 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", got "a gray dragon scale mail", on T:5920
22:55 <Loggers_VIII> well, I'm bored of healer and playing just two games of barbarian got me bored of that, so priest it is
22:55 <Loggers_VIII> priestess, I guess
22:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:12304
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22:56 <Loggers_VIII> I think pri makes the game way less annoying
22:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 3341 points, T:3777, killed by a killer bee
22:58 <rld> <@shadow_rider> hackem: re ghost farming i dont think its that big of a deal, usually would require killing a priest which is not an early game thing
22:59 <rld> <@shadow_rider> i lucked into bones file where shrigis had angered everything
22:59 <Loggers_VIII> I mean, you can always just farm skills the normal way by sitting on level 1
22:59 <rld> <@shadow_rider> they seem to do that a lot
22:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 33308 points, T:12330, killed by a leocrotta
22:59 <rld> <@shadow_rider> good luck having enough nutrition to farm on level 1
22:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 690130 points, T:49302, killed by Charon
22:59 <Loggers_VIII> lil bro never heard of prayer
23:00 <rld> <@shadow_rider> have you gotten far enough in the game to utilize this strategy yet? 🤔
23:00 <rld> <@shadow_rider> jkjk lol
23:00 <Loggers_VIII> uncalled for :<
23:00 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Lil bro?  Pfff
23:00 <Loggers_VIII> lmao
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23:01 <Loggers_VIII> oh very cool, nerf has that thing where worn armor weighs less
23:01 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Aren't some quest altars pre haunted? Am I thinking of the monk quest for this?
23:02 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
23:02 <Loggers_VIII> there's also a haunted house in the middle level of the tourist quest that does the same thing with no altar
23:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 309 points, T:843, killed by a giant bat
23:02 <rld> <@shadow_rider> i did make an altar go poof
23:02 <rld> <@shadow_rider> might be the first? :O
23:03 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I also feel like 1 priest managing the altar should equal 1 ghost haunting it, I dunno
23:03 <Loggers_VIII> the altar poof thing, is it only on gifts or can it happen on regular offers too?
23:04 <rld> <@hackemslashem> There should have been a livelog, did it trigger?
23:04 <rld> <@shadow_rider> i don’t think so?
23:04 <Loggers_VIII> i ain't see nothin
23:04 <rld> <@shadow_rider> now i’m doubting if i did
23:04 <rld> <@shadow_rider> i’ll check later
23:05 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Hmm
23:05 <rld> <@hackemslashem> If it's cracked and you get any gift or crowning, it's bye bye
23:08 <Loggers_VIII> ah got it
23:08 <Loggers_VIII> in other news, there's an invisible nymph on one of my mines levels
23:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:1391
23:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 684 points, T:1395, killed by a giant bat
23:09 <Loggers_VIII> I just got lifesaved and it didn't livelog, I think that's supposed to?
23:11 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Double hmmmm, well I did see some gifts logged correctly, I'll check into it
23:12 <Loggers_VIII> oh no I got insidiously evil town
23:12 <Loggers_VIII> honestly even worse than fucked up and evil town
23:14 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Lavender?
23:14 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
23:14 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Try to lock the grave yard up quick
23:15 <rld> <@hackemslashem> I think the skeleton starts there and it's slow
23:15 <Loggers_VIII> oops I accidentally walked into a hole lol
23:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 515 points, T:1259, killed by a manes
23:16 <Loggers_VIII> I am playing way too recklessly but like that's just how I Be
23:20 <Loggers_VIII> oh I'm an idiot I bet my setmintc in this channel is really high
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23:20 <Loggers> !setmintc 0
23:20 <Beholder> Loggers: [hdf-au][hdf-us][hdf-eu] Min reported turncount for loggers set to 0
23:20 -!- Loggers is now known as Loggers_VIII
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23:21 <rld> <@hackemslashem> !setmintc 0
23:21 <Beholder> @hackemslashem: [hdf-au][hdf-us][hdf-eu] Min reported turncount for @hackemslashem set to 0
23:21 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Not sure what mine was
23:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 616 points, T:852, killed by a large kobold
23:22 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Less than an hour til new years here
23:22 <Loggers_VIII> dunno how I feel about nerf yet. I think I'm gonna have to play well to beat it :<
23:23 <rld> <@shadow_rider> there’s some really evil stuff ported in
23:23 <rld> <@shadow_rider> killer mimic is really mean
23:25 <Loggers_VIII> sighhhhhhhh time to try to play like a decent nethack player
23:26 <rld> <@hackemslashem> And they show up at the most random times
23:26 <Loggers_VIII> why god, why god do I gotta suffer :p
23:26 <Loggers_VIII> (pain in my heart carry burdens fulla struggle)
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23:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2811
23:34 <Loggers_VIII> I think dwarves and gnomes will prove to be way easier than other roles in the early game cause they can actually wear shit
23:34 <Loggers_VIII> maybe it's just that elves are massively disadvantaged idk
23:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 1644 points, T:1557, killed by a dart, while unconscious from rotten food
23:35 <Loggers_VIII> s/roles/races
23:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Loggers (Hea Elf Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1699
23:37 <rld> <@hackemslashem> Elven stuff is so light though, I think you'll find their strengths shine a little later
23:37 <Loggers_VIII> IF I GET THERE >:(((
23:38 <Loggers_VIII> tbh i've kinda been playing stupid and reckless but now I think I can get farther
23:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 799 points, T:1538, killed by a poisonous corpse
23:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Loggers (Hea Elf Fem Neu), 1928 points, T:2674, killed by an invisible orc-captain
23:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4821
23:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] Loggers (Hea Elf Fem Neu), 267 points, T:732, killed by a dwarf
23:47 <Loggers_VIII> whoa oneshot
23:47 <Loggers_VIII> FINEEEEE game I'll use my damn pet
23:48 <Loggers_VIII> fragile elf twink forced to hide behind his kitten for protection
23:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 264 points, T:787, killed by an electric shock
23:51 <Loggers_VIII> tbh maybe I'll play pacifist
23:51 <Loggers_VIII> yeah that sounds fun actually
23:51 <Demo> play bagless
23:52 <Demo> what if containerless and it includes containers not in your inventory?
23:52 <Demo> so no castle wow allowed
23:52 <Loggers_VIII> you can tip it no?
23:53 <Loggers_VIII> I guess that implies tipless
23:53 <Demo> that violates containerless
23:53 <Demo> if, however, container destruction let the items out, you could probably do that
23:53 <cathartes> teleport the castle chest to get it off of the scare monster, then let a gelatinous cube eat it, then kill the gelatinous cube
23:53 <Demo> did vanilla make that let the items out?
23:54 <Demo> I know im 343 that would be goodbye contents
23:54 <Demo> also, "true containerless" means you can also never allow yourself to be contained by a monster :P
23:54 <cathartes> pretty sure it puts contents in the cube's inventory... had a bag eaten that way before
23:54 <Demo> ah
23:55 <Demo> I thought it used generic container destruction rules which is free cobj chain recursively or whatever
23:55 <cathartes> if the wand turns out to be organic, a recent 3.7 commit will have the cube eat it after another turn though
23:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nerf] amelie (Rog Hum Fem Cha) destroyed amelie's ghost, the former Footpad, on T:1387
23:55 <Demo> damn that's pretty good
23:56 <Demo> definitely a good option for containerless runs
23:56 <cathartes> another option is to let a monster (with a key?) open it, I think.
23:57 <Demo> in neovanilla, sure
23:57 <Demo> I wonder if it being zap over floored by opening would break containerless
23:58 <Demo> I wanna say that's ok but I don't know the Law
23:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Sam Hum Mal Law), 19764 points, T:7786, killed by a winged gargoyle