00:01 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:10575 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:18420 00:09 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 00:14 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) Donmyar, the hardware store proprietor, has been killed, on T:19322 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) Izchak, the lighting store proprietor, has been killed, on T:19466 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) Sarangan, the delicatessen proprietrix, has been killed, on T:19538 00:18 [hdf-au] [nndnh] k3ut0i (Bin Ent Fem Non) destroyed the Lokoban Pinata, on T:3702 00:25 -!- boredboardbored has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) Malasgirt, the used armor dealership proprietor, has been killed, on T:20089 00:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #hardfought 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) Karangkobar, the delicatessen proprietor, has been killed, on T:20234 00:28 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 00:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed RubberRat's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:11521 00:31 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8852 points, T:9332, killed by a minotaur 00:33 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:34 [hdf-au] [nndnh] k3ut0i (Bin Ent Fem Non) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:4327 00:39 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:44 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 00:48 [hdf-us] [nndnh] johnnyteapot (Bin Inc Mal Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:21692 00:48 huh, been fiddling around on phone and apparently the orctown loot can include kelp fronds in the food items 00:49 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:49 weird 00:50 I knew about those named slime molds, but I've never seen kelp 00:50 the slime molds are specified 00:50 otherwise I think it just picks from range of foodstuff 00:51 interesting 00:52 oh I got the themed room with all three altars 00:52 neat 00:53 [hdf-us] [nndnh] johnnyteapot (Bin Inc Mal Non) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:21884 00:54 I like themed rooms but I wish they were just a little more common 00:54 hardly ever see cool stuff like water vaults 00:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 190 points, T:1056, killed by a fog cloud 00:59 this mines sucks because I'm an orcish rogue and I don't have anything to convert the altar with yet 00:59 (orctown 01:00 )* 01:00 I literally need just one body 01:00 at least same race sac is goated as chaotic 01:00 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 01:00 it is if I can convert the altar first :B 01:01 bad luck on tengu tins gave me teleportitis to boot 01:01 hehe play stupid games or whatever 01:02 it's not gotten really annoying yet though it has the usual comedic timing involved 01:02 I hate uncontrolled teleportitis more than almost anything 01:03 was hoping to armor up a bit before I made a proper attempt at soko zoo, main dungeon is being gatekept by the bigroom on the floor below 01:03 turncount speedrun go 01:03 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Val Cen Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Mystes' ghost, the former Rogue, on T:13413 (5:27:06) 01:04 eww turncount speedrun? I make way too many unnecessary movements for that 01:05 you'll be our secret weapon 01:05 we will have many weapons 01:05 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:05 in november 01:06 I'm training by way of illiterate pacifist 01:06 when I play normally the game will feel so much easier 01:07 I almost got to mine's end yesterday 01:08 like training for fight with no arms or legs 01:08 i approve 01:08 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:09 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #hardfought 01:10 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 350 points, T:2042, killed by Ms. Fleac; the shopkeeper, while moving through the air 01:10 maybe I should play some 3.6 since that's what tnnt is based on 01:10 hm, mines marker 01:10 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 01:10 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #hardfought 01:11 perhaps 3.7 will be released before june 01:11 before november, rather 01:12 probably not 01:12 maybe it will release tomorrow 01:15 Why 3.6. 01:16 it's painful to play it :P. 01:16 tnnt is based on the latest officially released version :( 01:16 I think tnnt won't give you much trouble due to it's version. 01:17 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 01:17 I think you play 3.7 and evilhack for now, and then you can still do very good at tnnt. 01:18 -!- floating_eye has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 29831 points, T:12098, killed by a Green-elf, while sleeping 01:18 -!- floating_eye has joined #hardfought 01:19 maybe so 01:19 the difference between 3.7 and 3.6x is sort of jarring 01:19 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "fixed +2 blessed glowing dragon scale mail", on T:302 01:20 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "fixed blessed +2 speed boots", on T:326 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 84 points, T:465, killed by a water demon 01:21 Lol pacifist again? 01:21 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:21 Cool. 01:21 pacifist is all I've been playing 01:22 why the hell does this mines end have 3 luckstones 01:22 locally too. I'm making moves in silence :p 01:22 which one is it, wine cellar? 01:22 mimic 01:23 already have the guaranteed one but there's two more randomly because ?? 01:23 I don't know, sometimes they get generated stack? 01:23 sometimes I get a luckstone in the upper mines that a dwarf mined up 01:23 Sometimes I often pick up like 3 touchstones or 4 luckstones. 01:24 did you know that gnomes can use uncursed touchstones like they were blessed? I learned that the other day 01:24 I mean on the level, not on the way 01:24 also yes I always knew this :B 01:24 I know you mean on the level yea 01:24 yes I mean sometimes I kill a dwarf, and pick up 3 touchstones. 01:24 it's so sick. that's the kind of race differentiation that's fun 01:25 I think they are generated 3 at once, not the dwarf collect multiple ones. 01:25 I mean the latter's entirely possible 01:25 and in fact more likely, since you'll see only 2 in a random stack at most 01:26 Ah yes it might be. 01:26 Loggers you mean the gnome monsters or player gnomes can use that uncursed touchstones? 01:26 player gnomes 01:27 Lol I realize you playing gnome healers. 01:27 Dunno that too, only know that arc can do that.. 01:28 the ancient birthright of gnomes 01:28 is 37 the one with revamped gehennom? 01:28 arcs are the ones that start with touchstones 01:28 3.7? I think yes. 01:29 anselmus yeah 01:29 The gehennom is better than 3.6 all mazes I think. 01:29 and yeah the gnome ability is the same as arc 01:29 Maybe more nasty, but less tedious. 01:29 3.6 mazes are so boringgg 01:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible LordL's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:10568 (3:14:19) 01:30 Sometimes 3.7 dragons or giants may knock you back into like water wall or lava wall lol. 01:30 is it instadeath if you get knocked into a wall of water/lava? 01:30 I think no? 01:30 No. 01:30 But the items will get hurt. 01:31 Even flying or levitating, if you boh is not greased, your items in boh may get wet if you are knocked into a wall of water.. 01:32 hm, nasty 01:32 The wall of lava should be same as lava I guess, with fire resistance will be safe. 01:33 surly dinos only know 343 so no worries 01:33 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 01:33 we will shock them with our advanced knowledge and tactics 01:34 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "fixed +2 blessed helm of brilliance", on T:564 01:35 I've been drawing up some rough strategies as far as achievements go 01:35 some of the achievements are kinda fucked up 01:37 we will learn from our failures 01:37 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible xialg's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:10658 (3:23:08) 01:39 Lost enthusiasm to play nethack recently, hope tnnt encourage me play some games. 01:40 most ascs are what matter in tnnt 01:42 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Val Cen Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14380 (6:05:23) 01:42 Ah yes, sounds less interesting than junethack. 01:42 I remember I played about 5 games last tnnt. 01:42 no it's epic because it has the swap chest 01:42 nethack isn't supposed to be enjoyable 01:42 swap chest my beloved 01:42 playing for enjoyment is the biggest mistake players make in tnnt 01:42 Lol right, swap chest are fun. 01:43 Well but ascending every game seems tedious and repetitive. 01:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 3175 points, T:2955, quit 01:44 * anselmus ascended 7 elf wizs 01:45 That really needs patience I think. 01:46 Lol I love wizards while interesting that I've never played elf. 01:46 i think i can handle 36 now except for orctown 01:46 I like orctown except for if I'm racketing 01:47 racketeering? whatever 01:47 orctown is so fucked up as pacifist 01:47 Orctown in vanilla lack a lot of resources and divine protection deal. 01:47 stealing's been nerfed too 01:48 anselmus if a wizard the orctown in vanilla is not bad too. 01:48 is it? I don't really pay attention to pets 01:48 I think orctown in vanilla should still have an alive Izchak or an alive general store owner 01:49 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2339 (0:32:34) 01:49 when you play elf wiz for entire month any deviation becomes intolerable :p 01:50 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2383 (0:33:35) 01:50 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 01:50 [hdf-us] [nh4] Nettle (Ackbladder) (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 49133 points, T:4474, killed by a giant spider 01:51 I played enough wizard last month maybe. 01:51 Fun fact is that recent 16 evilhack acensions. 01:51 There're 9 wizards. 01:51 evilhack players love wizard 01:51 Everybody love wizard :P 01:51 you get all those fun AoE spells 01:52 I played a wizard all the way to astral in evil and never got acid blast :( 01:52 I usually write one. 01:53 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:2639 (0:36:57) 01:53 Last game maybe, I killed rodney and go sacrifice to 13 luck then clear the sanctum and write the acid blast with that only marker. 01:54 i play every variant as if 343 elf wiz 01:54 that strategy has never failed me *cough* 01:54 I dried up two (1:50) markers trying to write acid blast 01:55 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:55 I think you could probably win evilhack playing like 343 elf wiz 01:55 Dunno 3.4.3, but yes I think evilhack wizard is almost same as vanilla wizard. 01:55 [hdf-us] [fh] R (fsbt490) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 31665 points, T:2720, killed by a rock piercer 01:55 Problems for other roles are easy-peasy for wizards in evilhack. 01:56 1 pw force bolt makes them stronger in evilhack maybe 01:56 Ah that's so sad that acid blast are too high level, sometimes it may fail. 01:56 in early game 01:57 yeah the 1 pw force bolt thing made wiz crazy good early game 01:57 I remember that now gift will be spellbooks instead of infinite dark elven daggers. 01:58 Maybe I could play some evilhack wizards later. 01:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 244 points, T:481, killed by Mr. Iskenderun; the shopkeeper 01:58 try pacifist evilhack :p 01:58 Nope that sounds too hard. 01:59 Usually I only do conducts that I believe I can achieve in one game :P 02:00 Loggers do you think maybe pacifist evilhack will be easier than vanilla? 02:00 Pets in evilhack can be really stronger. 02:01 I think that late game it might actually be a bit easier relativley 02:01 *relatively 02:01 Oh yes late game. 02:01 In vanilla usually racket early game is always easy. 02:01 but I think getting through evilhack midgame would be quite a challenge 02:02 and early game too. what do you do about goblin king? 02:02 I'll be happy with any evilhack ascension atm 02:02 hungrymotu have you won evil before? 02:02 I guess evilhack may need a strong pets at start. 02:02 nope 02:02 The zombies are nasty too. 02:02 Got my last monk to Lucifer 02:02 i understand being alive in evil is usually a miracle 02:02 really should have ascended that one 02:02 ahh lucifer's a real bastard 02:03 He warped in Yeenoghu almost straight away, don't know if that's normal? 02:03 or i was unlucky 02:03 Ah then you're almost ascending. 02:03 Maybe unlucky, that might happen. 02:03 hungrymotu I've had him warp in demogorgon and lolth :PP 02:04 haha gg 02:04 Usually you could read a scroll of earth then cast magic missiles or throwing projectiles. 02:04 I won but it was scary 02:04 That's the safest strategy. 02:04 he has the same odds to gate in demons as any other & I think 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 508 points, T:931, killed by a land mine 02:04 ah ok 02:05 The alhoons really messed me up that game, I decided to skip Vecna so couldn't get rid of them 02:05 I think in vanilla pacifist strategy could be racketing with large cat or dog, then see if there's magic lamp or fountain wish or polymorph traps in mines. 02:06 forgot half my spells in the sanctum 02:06 The evilhack one I guess maybe go fountain wish directly. 02:06 I always get rid of all the scary monsters in evil 02:06 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 02:06 Though a pet like ancient pseudodragon could kill goblin king solo. 02:06 But they cannot deal with zombies.. 02:07 my genocide list is usually: black dragons, liches, master liches, demiliches, arch liches, mind flayers, master mind flayers, beholders, green slimes, and sometimes orange or gray dragons 02:07 my genocide list is usually:. 02:07 Lol. 02:07 xdminsy maybe you could scum a wizard that starts with cure sickness lol 02:07 pseudodragon is really strong too, i actually wonder if Wiz is the strongest in evil. I'm trying a valk now for a change 02:08 wizard is really strong but centaur knights and valks are up there too 02:08 yeah pets always die to zombies, i usually just abandon them pretty quick 02:08 I consider wizard is the strongest, but maybe you need to conquer some their weakness. 02:09 Like illithid and drow wizards are really short at max hp. 02:09 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 02:09 Those centaurs are super fast and have tough hp. 02:10 I think if you told me I had to win one race/role combo in evilhack first try or you'd kill me, I would choose centaur knight 02:10 I need to have a better go at an illithid wizard, seems like they should be strong 02:10 illithid wizards are good but their strength cap is SO BAD 02:10 I'm trying centaur now for the like the second time and yeah early game is pretty ez 02:10 the old ways are best: dust E, magicbane, conflict 02:11 I would prioritise GoP and strength issue solved? 02:11 i'm sure they all work in evil 02:11 hehe evilhack has the thing where you have to see E before you can use it 02:11 But no Elbereth before sokoban. 02:11 no u 02:11 Yes a wish for stone or bone gauntlets of power. 02:11 hungrymotu: it's still only 900 aum carrycap with 25 st as illithid 02:11 a lot better but still annoying compared to others 02:11 Hungrymotu but you don't need GoP to play an illithid wizard. 02:12 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:12 With magic chest, hesperides and eota. 02:12 i will try it when my centaur valk dies :) to Vecna probably or a beholder 02:12 Usually it's just more branchporting to stash. 02:12 600 capacity is enough :P. 02:13 yep just stash all those spellbooks 02:13 magic chest is good 02:13 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14 Yes and wizards can get access of magic chest much easier compared to other roles. 02:14 using stashes is booooring 02:15 why? 02:15 cos of knock spell? 02:15 Riding ancient pseudodragon can fly to get the key of Gollums. 02:15 hungrymotu they can ride the pseudodragon 02:15 ahhhh 02:15 And they start with MR, so getting mines end key is also safer then other roles. 02:15 [hdf-us] [nndnh] johnnyteapot (Bin Inc Mal Non) averted death, on T:24291 02:15 yeah cool hadn't thought of that 02:15 And illithid can fly at level 12, so that's free key of Gollum too. 02:16 [hdf-us] [nndnh] johnnyteapot (Bin Inc Mal Non) killed Oona, on T:24311 02:17 Hungrymotu usually pets will die to zombies in early game, but usually if you get a saddle, then a ridable mount is great. 02:17 Drows can usually tame gargantuan spiders. 02:17 Then ride them. 02:17 * anselmus spent an eternity training up a dire wolf in hackem to find it seemed strangely uninterested in combat or defending me 02:18 drow can also tame cave lizards which are great mounts 02:19 [hdf-au] [nndnh] k3ut0i (Bin Ent Fem Non) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:6167 02:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1335 02:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1074 points, T:1376, killed by Izchak; the shopkeeper 02:22 riding such a pain until you get to basic though 02:22 is it still only knight who starts with basic in riding? in evil 02:22 i think so 02:22 pretty sure 02:22 would be good if a few other roles got to start with basic riding - valk, barb maybe 02:23 it's not so bad if you just ride all the time, though unless you have a domestic pet it's annoying to lose tameness when you mount 02:23 feature suggestion :) 02:24 actually saddles are way more common in evil 02:24 i've noticed 02:24 so it is more viable 02:25 yeah, it's because a lot of monsters spawn riding 02:25 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 02:25 you can get a saddle really easily from uruk hai in goblin town 02:25 its a cool addition the riding monsters 02:26 they are cool but the monster riding code is held together by hopes and dreams 02:26 and sometimes crazy shit happens :p 02:26 haha 02:29 Sometimes monsters will saddle nearby monsters, i don't know where their saddle comes. 02:29 Oftentimes I may kill somebody riding then find their mount is a black dragon. 02:29 But sometimes I realize it beforehand when I check monster list. 02:29 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:30 I just farlook, it says what they're riding 02:30 xdminsy: though there are over 300 achievements in TNNT. 02:30 bhaak: Message from Umbire at 2024-07-14 13:32 EDT: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Ion_frigate#Template%3AMonster 02:31 Ah yes, doing achievements is kinda fun too. 02:31 I got like 160 achievements last year I think 02:31 unfortunately, K2 has kind of a competitive fetisch for clans :) 02:31 some of them are really difficult 02:31 Let me see. 02:32 I have 210 last year, loggers you have 154. 02:32 I'll get more this year >:( 02:32 I see furey has done 308 achievements. 02:32 furey's whole thing is tnnt 02:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 227 points, T:937, killed by a giant bat 02:36 Are you doing protection racket? 02:37 yeah if I'm gonna be level 1 anyway might as well 02:37 haha just remembered him trying to wreck one of our trophies then the whole gang showed up 02:38 Some advice is that usually I train my pets into large cat at first 4 levels of main dungeons. 02:38 Then usually in mines just Elbereth at the staircase and wait all monsters come :P. 02:38 [hdf-au] [nndnh] k3ut0i (Bin Ent Fem Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:7926 02:40 shadow had 5 ascs in first 3 days for us last november 02:40 good times 02:40 Respect that they can acsend really fast. 02:41 even without him we will show no mercy 02:41 cobra kai 02:41 maybe I can get shadow to play for us in tnnt 02:41 [hdf-au] [nndnh] k3ut0i (Bin Ent Fem Non) was given the Holy Moonlight Sword, on T:8187 02:41 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 02:42 I got connections :p 02:42 Which clan in tnnt? 02:43 Heh shadow may lost interest to play after like 10 games like us. 02:43 yeah but he's the goat so 10 games for him is 10 wins :P 02:43 i like the way you think 02:43 Lol yes still great. 02:43 what was our clan last year? 02:44 Yendorian Trust Fund. 02:44 strategy: find messiah, win 02:45 what should our name be this year 02:46 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:49 it's not easy because success always seems inversely proportional with the coolness of the name 02:50 forest of unbroken promises is a fave of mine 02:51 if the coolness needs to be low we should have it be something like 'the epic cool hacker club' 02:53 ideally the name could be updated depending on circumstances 02:53 what, like we start with 'forest of unbroken promises' and then when someone breaks a promise we change it to 'thicket of unbroken promises'? 02:53 one that is appropriate to the current status 02:56 thicket of unbroken promises was comedy gold ngl 02:58 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 02:59 there's always risk in overconfidence :p 02:59 cf archrobin, masterrobin 03:00 wanna do a robin 03:01 we weren't exactly a laughingstock but pretty pitiful compared to the pros 03:01 in general, robins tend to be weaker than the average player participating in them 03:01 with the possible exception of deathrobin which is hard to quantify 03:01 that could be good practice for tnnt 03:01 I feel like robining now 03:03 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:03 hm am i up for a sub 20k best of 13 03:04 what does that even mean lmao 03:04 [hdf-au] [nndnh] k3ut0i (Bin Ent Fem Non) was given Seven League Boots, on T:10709 03:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1994 03:08 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:10 presumably playing 13 games in a row, not being allowed to play any roles that you've already ascended during that time, and with a 20,000 turn limit per game, aiming for max number of ascensions 03:11 13 elf wiz actually 03:12 oh, that's not how best of 13 traditionally worked 03:12 might want to call it something slightly different 03:12 oh I see 03:12 anselmus doesn't play anything aside from elf wiz lol 03:14 i strive for perfection :p 03:14 there are a few players who dedicate themselves to hard race/role combinations 03:14 -!- Loveaabb has joined #hardfought 03:14 what's the hardest combo in vanilla, do you think? 03:15 probably tourist or some sort of arc 03:15 early survivability is probably the #1 largest factor in asc rate, so I suspect it's probably human tourist 03:15 human arc could be pretty bad, there's very little reason to want to play an arc as a human 03:15 elves are a little dubious due to low starting HP, but the roles elves get to play mostly have a way to compensate for that 03:16 -!- malor has joined #hardfought 03:16 possibly elf wiz is the weakest elf combination? rangers and rogues both get better ranged attacks, although rangers are a bit reliant on finding ?oEW early 03:16 or skilling into dagger and back out again, which is a bit more reliable but annoying 03:17 Elves also can't be Rogues, so there's that :B 03:17 huh, really? 03:17 Nope 03:17 Human/orcish 03:17 what's the third combination for elves, then, after wizard and ranger? 03:17 Priest 03:17 ah right 03:17 I think elf rogue should be a thing 03:18 elf priest could be a candidate for most difficult very early game, although they have most of the early-midgame objectives already handled for them 03:18 which might help them dodge the difficulty spike somehow 03:18 maybe not, though, they still struggle to find a good attack early on 03:19 I do think that priest is one of the least frustrating roles to play in terms of things other than survivability 03:19 but the survivability is a major problem, and dying a lot is frustrating in its own way 03:19 elf priest is easy if they start with prot or healing 03:20 I am not convinced that early +oH is as valuable as people think – it basically makes your Pw into a second HP bar, but that ends up running out after a bit too 03:20 I think you're really incentivized to scum priests since there are a few incredible books they can start with and all the others are shit 03:20 but I agree that at least it actually does *something*, unlike many of the options 03:20 +oH is absolutely incredible, in my opinion, especially as a fast and loose player 03:20 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:21 oh yes, +oH is probably better at covering for mistakes than it is as something to rely on frequently 03:21 I am not sure how the extra healing potions in 3.7 interact with all this 03:22 I think those have made healing book a little less valuable 03:22 wizards definitely have the best starting inv 03:22 in general they may mean you have a little less Pw 03:22 anselmus: valks get a +3 small shield and a long sword, that has a reasonable argument for being best starting inv 03:23 not for a wiz :p 03:23 4 points of AC improvement through the early game, with minimal weight and a slot with little competition 03:23 and the best non-artifact weapon that you're at all likely to find earlyh on 03:24 whereas wizards are really struggling for a weapon and for armor early 03:24 the CoMR is very good, that's a high point of the wizard starting inventory 03:24 (although if you play with bones on, normally you can get one quite early from wizard bones, they die a lot) 03:24 I think tourist has the best starting inv 03:24 tourist starting inventory is interesting 03:25 expensive camera is good, enchanted darts are good, food is a useful safety net 03:25 I love starting a tourist because it's like gambling 03:25 shirt and mapping scrolls are not very useful until the late game 03:25 although, recently I've had something like a 4-game streak of randomly finding expensive cameras on the ground 03:25 start a 3 streak with tou on robin and get back to me 03:26 i'll take it from there 03:26 my highest streak ever is a 2 streak with tou 03:26 what robin account? I'll do it :p 03:26 oof hehe 03:26 I think I have a 4-streak when I started three serious valk games immediately after ascending something else 03:26 !asc platinumrobin 03:26 anselmus: No games for platinumrobin. 03:27 hmm, I am still marvelling at how much difference that one guaranteed ration in 3.7 makes 03:27 the food in the monk quest too 03:27 I removed a significant portion of the game's food, added one ration, and it was probably favourable for the player overall 03:28 especially as you don't have to save the first prayer for nutrition any more 03:28 there's always diamondrobin2 03:30 those food and healing potion changes were so sick 03:30 ais you're our only hope. make the banes not shit 03:30 f it, the two of you will begin a robin immediately 03:30 this was no chance meeting 03:30 ok but I've never done a robin so idrk how they work 03:31 just like a regular account but shared 03:32 do you just switch off every game or after a certain amount of turns or what 03:32 it's normally after an approximate number of turns, when you find a good stopping point 03:33 i've always played with no limit/restriction 03:33