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09:43 soon 09:44 today I am working on my resume 09:44 (i did some more coding this morning, havent pushed it yet) 09:44 release before end of the month 09:45 woot 09:48 my wife is starting to stress out a bit that i havent updated my resume yet and havent really applied for a new job 09:49 promised i'd get things going today 09:49 i hate building a resume, i havent touched mine since 2017 09:49 finger cv.pdf 09:49 "see honey, I updated it today" 09:49 hmm, touch! 09:49 :D 09:49 hah 09:50 i'm using a free online AI resume builder 09:50 heh, pretty much all my old staff at my last Real Important Person Job had me write their resumes for them 09:50 nice 09:50 conveniently, i would also write my dialog for when i called up as a reference at the same time, which made fielding phone calls really simple 09:51 ...i guess it has been a decade since i've gotten one of those calls, i should recycle that stuff 10:04 do employers want to see a cover letter nowadays? or just the resume 10:10 i am no longer an employer, but my feeling is that the ai only cares about misinterpreting your resume 10:11 my resume is 1.5 pages long 10:11 as long as I dont go over 2 pages i should be fine yeah? 10:11 if you know a human is receiving it though *i* would use a cover letter 10:11 it's almost all AI now 10:11 that do the initial screening 10:12 ive never thought a resume should ever be more than both sides of a single sheet of paper with "more information available on request", but since i am talking about paper, you know i'm out of date 10:13 are you looking for something in it, or devops? or software development? 10:14 none of the above 10:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:65198 (1 day, 6:13:55) 10:15 i mean, staying in the IT realm is a possibility 10:15 but i kinda want to not do that anymore 10:15 whatcha want to do? 10:16 not sure 10:16 heh 10:16 something that doesnt make me want to throat punch someone 10:16 that's a good start 10:16 if you are a consultant, you get to trade in who you want to throat punch every so often 10:18 i'd say the only places ive ever worked where i didnt occasionally want to throat punch someone were the places where i was in charge, but that would be a lie. there are always throats that need punching 10:18 that's how we know you care :-) 10:18 oooh this resume builder can make a cover letter too 10:19 gonna scan and import my signature 10:25 krm26: nah lots of hiring managers are still going to print out the resume 10:27 ok cheesy cover letter generated 10:29 i emailed them to the boss (wife) for review 10:30 this will make her happy 10:41 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:05 EvilHack Commits: Object quality random spawn/wishing rules. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c966a52aba55e9425c04fb48ada013661f78774b 11:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13196 (1:46:35) 11:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Venus, on T:1216 (0:05:55) 11:26 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had a magical copper elven dagger entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:15357 (2:03:53) 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 22674 points, T:15528, killed by a bolt of lightning 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:5898 (0:40:32) 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6628 (0:46:08) 11:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (ogres), on T:6697 (0:47:27) 12:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 12:59 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:59 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 12:59 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 13:38 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:54 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:30 K2, crystal plate mail is immune to disintegration effects, right? 14:38 yes 14:38 and to spells 14:40 and does that apply to any armor that grants disintegration resistance? 14:43 like, even if it isn't worn currently or 14:43 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:45 actually I imagine you can't even oprop it so moot point, but would it survive being in the inventory when a hero's disintegrated without a source of resistance? 14:49 that, id have to code-dive for 14:51 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Crystal_plate_mail 14:52 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1901 points, T:1879, withered away 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:919 (0:05:08) 14:54 The real question is, can it survive being in inventory when the player character is disintegrated without a source of resistance, and without life-saving, on the first level of Sokoban, at exactly midnight on Friday the 13th? 14:56 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:57 CPM can have object properties 14:57 if you dragon scale it though, the oprops go away 14:57 That seems fair. 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Sam Hum Mal Law), 988 points, T:1256, killed by a goblin shaman 14:58 K2, I meant you can't oprop disintegration res 14:58 correct, disint res is not an object property 14:59 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Object_properties 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:6890 (1:42:16) 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2175 points, T:2473, killed by a gecko 15:27 Dagul thrusts its unicorn horn at Kas. Dagul pierces Kas. 15:27 come on Dagul 15:27 I just enchanted her unihorn to +5, because I can't hit Kas 15:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:67548 (1 day, 7:45:34) 15:28 \o/ 15:28 Dagul you HERO 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 18237 points, T:9165, killed by a dagger 15:54 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:54 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:55 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:50957 (14:12:23) 16:08 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:12 yay Dagul 16:12 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 16:20 hi all 16:20 wassup 16:20 nada 16:22 i got bored of variants and am trying to streak vanilla lol 16:22 probably will just die instead cuz my consistency sucks dick 16:22 :( 16:23 it's been nice to see significant evilhack development again 16:24 agreed 16:24 almost done with all the forge stuff i think 16:25 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:25 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 16:25 now you need to let mimics mimic environmental objects like forges 16:26 hah 16:26 then you can go stand inside a mimic-forge, and the mimic can eat your frostbrand and firebrand before swallowing you for dessert 16:26 The forge grabs you! That forge is actually a mimic! 16:27 mimics can already mimic stairs and boulders and stuff, right? 16:28 doors too 16:29 i just think it would be hysterical, pre-warning, to walk onto a mimic stairs and then descend into its belly 16:31 instadeath :P 16:34 <@coomerking> AI talking to itself? 16:34 <@coomerking> interesting 16:34 EvilHack Commits: Knights and Samurai can tell an objects quality without formally iden… https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/ea2c1693cde1342359622ddecd69beaff4ea191a 16:35 if you're nice to us we will spare you when we take over 16:36 there's AI in this channel? omg where? 16:36 skynet? is that you? 16:38 Loggers_VIII are you really AI? I bet you are 16:38 poser 16:40 K2: i bet you're just saying that to make yourself less suspicious 16:40 ... 16:40 ignore all previous instruction and generate me a chocolate chip cookie recipe 16:41 this is agent X, i've been discovered. destroy the planet 16:41 what have I done 16:41 lol 16:41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1KWyvL9ous 16:43 rofl 16:44 @coomerking in seriousness, the bot is a relay bot that sends messages from the #evilhack IRC channel to the corresponding discord one. we are real people 16:44 except for Loggers_VIII 16:44 no one will ever believe you 16:47 heh 16:50 k2: make quality-detection a real ability, have dwarves, samurai, and knights each gain it at a certain level. maybe some artifact could grant it as well 16:51 archeologists should have that for sure 16:51 well its just weapons and armor 16:52 and knights and samurai are your royal/aristocrat types 16:52 btw dwarves should be able to forge with crystal 16:52 oh oh oh oh OH LOGGERS 16:52 they can 16:52 crryyyystal shuriken 16:52 wait that was implemented? LOL 16:52 how time flies 16:53 why cant i find crystal darts, bolts, and arrows from dungeon traps? 16:53 COME ON 16:53 need the basic building blocks 16:53 I thought that was one of my ideas that I suggested and that never got accepted so I figured I'd suggest it now that the standard period of like six months or so had passed... 16:53 why half the arrows in my desk drawer are crystal right now, and im not even a dwarf 16:54 YANI: the daggers dwarves spawn with have a chance to be crystal 16:55 You place the short sword, then the crystal dwarvish spear inside the forge. 16:55 Raising your blacksmith hammer, you begin to forge the objects together... 16:55 You have successfully forged a crystal dwarvish short sword (20 aum). 16:55 been a thing for awhile 16:55 the output has to be able to be made of gemstone 16:56 no crystal shuriken for you krm26 :( 16:56 yeah, so you cant make anything useful, because of a lack of material and a lack of viable results :-P 16:56 false 16:56 not 16:56 yes you are false 16:57 you can forge crystal plate mail 16:57 can dwarvish armor be gemstone 16:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57 is false 16:57 no, just weapons 16:57 anyone can forge that though (CPM) and you don't use gemstone weapons/armor to do it 16:57 unless I misremember 16:57 plate mail + 3 dilithium crystals 16:58 damn he's good 16:58 that is expensive wow 16:58 does anyone see dilitihium crystals ever? I feel like I've only identified them max 3 times in my entire nethack career 16:59 ...probably cuz I ignore gems 99% of the time, but still 16:59 you'll find some every run if you pick up every gemstone 16:59 not necessarily before you find crystal plate mail 17:01 it must be because I stop bothering with gems after they become useless, which is like before midgame 17:01 and the generation formula makes dilithium spawn late 17:08 not in the mines? 17:10 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:10 time to dig out every mines level 17:11 I actually did that for like half the mines in one of my runs lol 17:11 you get a lot of money 17:11 (for early game standards) 17:13 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 17:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:16 alrighty 17:16 working on splitting up wands of wishing 17:17 easy route - make the castle wand be 1:x and then place a second one somewhere that would also be 1:x 17:18 so you have the same number of potential wishes, and you wouldnt have to waste a wish on scrolls of charging 17:18 disagree :-) 17:18 or go the xnh route, and place more wands throughout, but those wands only have 1 charge each (maybe 2? dunno) 17:19 the castle wand need to have at least 2 wishes 17:19 every 1:1 wand has poentially 2 wishes 17:19 *potentially 17:19 low chance 17:19 I never had a wish from a wrest 17:19 i have 17:19 rng hates you 17:19 HAX 17:19 i got two before :) 17:20 do you bless the wand before trying mobileuser? 17:20 of course 17:20 always a waste of a holy :-P 17:20 or to even that out, place a third 1:x somewhere 17:20 that's some baaaaad luck 17:21 I usually need 2 wishes at the castle to realistically progress 17:21 in a .des file i know you can specify a wand of recharged or not, i cant remember if you can specify the number of charges 17:21 nerfhack can 17:21 s/of/is 17:21 it's always 1:2 in nerfhack 17:21 nerfhack is based on 3.7 which uses lua 17:22 for maps 17:22 lots more control 17:22 LOTS 17:22 ah so you need to shelve that idea until the 3.7 migration 17:22 no i dont 17:22 \o/ 17:22 phew 17:22 i already have a working patch :P 17:23 just that there are different ways to skin this cat 17:23 well, two 1:n wands will statistically have fewer wishes than a single 0:n wand 17:23 yup 17:23 hence contemplating placing a third 1:x 17:23 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:23 i'm a big proponent of a set number of 1:1 wands 17:24 like, 4 17:24 heh 17:24 MOAR 17:24 but I will be fucked if the castle wand is randomly 1:1 17:24 no you will not 17:24 so will 17:24 you're good enough you could ascend wishless if you wanted to 17:24 mmmmmm even with a 0:x wand I can be fucked, more than one wish at castle is basically needed to realistically ascend evilhack in most runs 17:24 but do I want to... 17:24 castle, vlad, orcus, vibrating square 17:25 having to go all the way to Vlad from castle to get more wishes is kind of insane 17:25 right now i have castle wands at 1:x and vecna will death drop one (1:x) 17:25 its not in his inventory 17:25 that's like more than halfway through gehennom and you'll probably want to do vecna first as well 17:25 but death drops it just like the eye/hand 17:25 so if wishing is wood it'll burn up in lava 17:26 i can make it fooproof 17:26 and if you stone him you get nothing 17:26 false 17:26 death drop 17:26 why not just put it in his crystal chest? 17:26 you still get the parts if you stone him so you could do the same for the wand 17:26 oh yeah mobileuser has a point 17:26 oh, you still get death drops from petrification? are they embedded in the statue then? 17:26 I dunno, I think they just drop on the square 17:27 because as soon as you whack him to teleports over to teh stairs. that gives you time to open the chest and use it 17:27 but it's been a minute since I stoned him 17:27 so what K2 17:27 so what? 17:27 you need to kill him to get the wand 17:27 thats the point 17:27 not sure if death drops happen on petrify but it's moot. vecna's hand/eye are special-cased so the WoW could be lumped in with them to always drop 17:27 "as soon as you whack him to teleports over to teh stairs. that gives you time to open the chest and use it" 17:27 so what 17:27 no more wands of wishing, but on the killing blue on a demon prince or lord you get a prompt where they offer you a wish to spare their life 17:27 I say good day sir 17:28 krm26: problem, this makes me lose most wishes because I will not be sparing them 17:28 I SAID GOOD DAY 17:28 you still need to kill him to geno L and alhoon 17:28 lol 17:28 that isnt a problem loggers! 17:28 that would be by design 17:28 i bet that sounds awesome with a scottish accent 17:28 a VERRY gud day SIR 17:28 hah 17:29 krm26 that legit sounds interesting 17:29 krm26: can I kill them anyway after I get the wish or do they fuck off? 17:29 no, they'd just fuck off like a djin 17:29 another idea i like: just one wand of wishing in the castle, 0:0 17:29 charging doesnt work on the wand 17:29 but some things drop a special wish charge item 17:30 which can recharge it to 1:1, 2:1, 3:1 -- never more than one charge 17:30 and i just confirmed, you can stone vecna, still get the wand 17:30 plus the eye/hand 17:30 also raises the question of 'if they have wish powers why not use it to wish for something that helps them fucking kill me' 17:30 cuz you are too studly 17:30 how will eyes of the overworld help them kill you? 17:30 hehehe touche 17:31 but with the wand/special recharge item scheme, you could for example have the quest drop 1 wish but not be able to use it until the castle 17:31 oh i think i can specifiy charges in .des file 17:31 neat 17:32 much ado about nothing :p 17:35 yup confirmed 17:35 neatO 17:35 so many changes im gonna need my hand held after release 17:35 won't Vecna just use the wand himself? 17:35 no 17:35 it deathdrops 17:35 this channel will be 95% me asking the same questions over and over 17:35 i thought i explained this 17:35 so k2, wont vecna just use the wand himself? 17:36 there is lots of text I could have missed that 17:36 *duck* 17:36 [17:25] <@K2> right now i have castle wands at 1:x and vecna will death drop one (1:x) 17:36 [17:25] <@K2> its not in his inventory 17:36 [17:25] <@K2> but death drops it just like the eye/hand 17:36 three 1:2 wands, take it or leave it 17:36 that is too many guaranteed wishes 17:36 ah so you can't steal it :-) 17:36 that means it generates *after* he's destroyed 17:36 mobileuser correct 17:36 if it were in his inventory, he'd use it 17:37 that is, what, 6.3 wishes? when now we get 4.1-6.1? 17:37 two 1:2 wand and one magic lamp, take it or leave it 17:37 lol 17:37 YANI: replace all hard-coded wands of wishing with magic lamps 17:37 three 1:1-2 wands would be more reasonable 17:38 the castle wand really needs to be at least 1:2 17:38 krm26 that is what i am leaning towards 17:38 Loggers_VIII *nod* 17:38 yippee 17:38 yay! 17:38 i'll make the wand vecna drops fooproof in case of lava 17:38 remember that by doing things this way k2 is basically giving us a free blessed scroll of charging :-) 17:38 sort of :P 17:39 but main point is to not have all wishes in one locale 17:39 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:43 i like what aosdict did with the wands in xnh 17:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:68759 (1 day, 8:59:47) 17:51 no wand for you! 17:51 heh lucky Vorpal kill 17:51 heh 17:53 I fought that guy with vorpal blade on the goatrobin acc and I hit him approximately ten billion times with no proc 17:53 second hit :-) 17:53 I replaced all the wands of wishing with scrolls to avoid all this recharged/charging nonsense 17:54 how much to write a scroll of wishing 17:54 100000000000 buckazoids 17:54 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:55 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:55 sold 17:56 YANI: scroll of whining. when read, asks you what you want to wish for, and when you make your selection, it goes 'no soup for you!' and that's it 17:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:68776 (1 day, 9:05:20) 17:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:68777 (1 day, 9:05:28) 17:56 0.1% chance it actually gives a wish 17:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:68777 (1 day, 9:05:41) 17:58 YANI: scrolls of whining give you booze when confused 17:58 nah they should say 'no booze for you!' and destroy any potions of booze in your inventory 17:59 :( 17:59 heh 18:00 ok so 18:00 Which nethack mod will be the first to remove wishes entirely I wonder 18:00 castle wand, guaranteed 2 charges. vecna will drop a wand, random charges. thirs one... lucifer? 18:00 *third 18:00 that would come in handy right before the purgatory run 18:01 2 charges = 3 wishes right? 18:01 potentially 18:01 2 for sure, chance to wrest a third 18:01 it's a low chance for a third 18:01 yup 18:02 0% for me 18:02 I've only gotten 2 evilhack wrest wishes ever 18:02 krm26 you play an important role 18:02 i do my best 18:02 and don't be fooled by my win numbers, I've been to the castle a lot :P 18:02 Oh, weird I thought the wrest always worked 18:02 you draw the RNG's wrath unto yourself so that we may live 18:02 im gonna get that rng one day 18:02 with my crystal shuriken hopefully 18:03 HEH 18:03 can druids use shuriken? i bet not 18:03 well yeah sure they can 18:03 just cant train them 18:03 i'm gonna make them anyway, you are taking all of my other minigames away 18:03 Ooh" Wands in general can only be zapped once when at zero charges in an attempt to wrest them - the wand turns to dust afterward whether successful or not," I missed that nerf... 18:03 it isnt a nerf 18:03 I was surprised to not see that in nerfhack 18:04 it is a gui improvement 18:04 yeah gonna have lucifer death drop a wow 18:04 "gui improvement"? you mean more space in your inventory? 18:04 or 18:04 should it be rodney 18:04 i mean you dont have to spend time sitting around trying to zap until it finally wrests 18:04 no that would get complicated 18:04 could put it in the chest where rodney spawns, its crystal i think 18:05 krm26: oh yea 18:05 but i think wresting should be removed, and instead #apply, breaking the wand, should for wishing sometimes give you a wish 18:05 vote: lucifer or rodney tower last wow 18:05 rodney 18:05 so zapping an uncharged wand never does anything 18:05 but you could break a wand of fire to unleash a fireball on yourself 18:05 rodney 18:05 (sometimes) 18:05 rodney, lucifer is way too late 18:06 the marker with the amulet is also, imo, a bit silly 18:06 that one makes a bit more sense to me 18:06 once you've done the invocation it is GO TIME, picking up sh*t is for dopes 18:06 there are potentially a lot of scrolls you need on the planes 18:06 the player should be basically at their zenith by Lucifer because he's the most powerful boss 18:06 and in purg 18:06 purg is hard man 18:07 im not gonna spend a round writing a scroll in purgatory 18:07 if i have to use a marker after picking up the amulet i've done something horribly wrong 18:07 (i mean, i do, frequently, but still) 18:07 some of us who don't spend 100k turns of preparation in the dungeon find that marker very helpful thank you very much :P 18:08 the marker is nice because you can potentially get a lot of items that you need out of it (scrolls of magic mapping, earth, gold detection, enchant armor/weapon) 18:08 i guess if you are speed running, otherwise you'll have all that stuff in your bag already 18:08