00:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Sectumsempra (Kni Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:50055 (18:39:29) 01:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 01:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 02:28 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 02:33 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:00 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide bracers of drain resistance", on T:53162 (22:17:37) 03:50 heh that's sweet, Dagul drops her BoH whenever I drop mine 04:46 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:00 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 05:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:54883 (23:22:57) 05:47 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:59 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 07:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:55508 (23:39:47) 07:00 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 07:04 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Client Quit] 07:16 rawr 07:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had a pair of cloth gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:56083 (23:56:36) 07:18 my 40% chance letting me down so far today :-( 07:18 you saccing for dragonbane? 07:22 I wished for dragonbane a long time ago 07:22 ah 07:23 Saccing for a nice artifact weapon now that I can 2-weapon 07:23 you artifact wish changes -- did you ever consider, instead, splitting artifacts into two categories, quest and non-quest? 07:23 eg Werebane or Angelslayer would be excllent for my tourist 07:24 krm26 no i hadnt 07:24 mobileuser omg dont let loggers see you say the W word hahah 07:24 like a hard limit of one quest item wish in addition to the other mechanics 07:24 there's a forging change coming down the pipe today 07:24 hahah I did have loggers in mind when I said that ;-) 07:25 was working on it last night but got too sleepy to finish it then 07:25 krm26 how many players are wishing for more than 1 QA? 07:26 probably every one who can :-) 07:26 heh 07:26 technically a player really shouldnt be able to access any QA except their own 07:28 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 07:28 speaking of forging, i wish that forging with properties had a lesser chance of destroying the forge for stackable gear 07:29 it's 18% 07:29 18% for all gear, sword or dagger, right? 07:29 if you forge objects using oprops, there's an 18% chance the forge cools down 07:30 i'm saying that for spears, daggers it should be like 8% or something, while for aklys, whatever doesnt stack, it would be the same 07:30 regardless of the objects used 07:30 it doesnt really matter for balance i dont think but it just keeps you from making a fun missile stack 07:30 why should the laws of magic bend because you want a stack? :) 07:30 because it should be based on WEIGHT 07:31 thats why 07:31 SCIENCE 07:31 MAGIC 07:31 any sufficiently stupid magic is indistinguishable from science 07:31 or vice versa 07:31 two handed weapon skill is related to item mass, ergo, i rest my case 07:32 that's not magic 07:32 I SAID GOOD DAY 07:32 lol 07:32 now i dont wanna make you feel bad but i've got a ba in rhetoric so clearly if words are involved i must be right 07:32 i dont feel bad 07:33 bhaak is sobbing in the corner because 'mommy and daddy' are squabbling 07:33 now go apologize to your son 07:34 oops, time to send the wife off for an AZA inspection 07:34 i gotta run here too in a few min, kiddo to school 07:34 then i have a dentist appt blah 07:34 she gets to go to the dominican republic, i get the chauffeur 14 year old 24/7 07:35 :) 07:35 i dont like other ppl touching my toofs 07:35 mini-me loves going to the dentist for some reason 07:36 i mean, that's great it doesnt freak her out 07:36 smh 07:36 future career in dentistry? 07:36 today is Ozzy's birthday so if you see him in game, toss him a steak and tell him he's a good boy 07:37 \o/ 07:37 mobileuser perhaps 07:37 ozzy is 10 07:37 ah, getting on... 07:39 i really AM going now but hpb ozzy! my stupid beast's bd in this thursday (8) 07:41 o/ 07:41 mobileuser yeah 07:42 * bhaak puts 'kicking K2's ass' on the top of the list of "what to do when meeting K2" 07:42 gonna get him a rotisserie chicken to eat 07:42 bhaak :P 07:43 now's a good time to do it, gettin old and slow 07:47 I'm certain I'll have to fight dirty regardless on how old and frail you are. but I'm willing to do it! 07:49 \o/ 08:16 K2: i am currently very obsessed with veggie. https://0x0.st/8-Od.mp4 08:17 i love her pic on her adoption page, too. very much has these "you put me back down right this instant" vibes. https://www.tierheim-essen.de/katzen-europ.-kurzhaar-veggi.html 08:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:56680 (1 day, 0:12:39) 08:20 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:24 <@Loggers_VIII> 07:23 eg Werebane or Angelslayer would be excllent for my tourist 08:26 <@Loggers_VIII> werebane hate aside, the increase from basic to skilled twoweaponing is +2 TH (-7 to -5) and +1 damage (-1 to 0) so if you have really good weapons but can only get basic skill in them, it’s probably still worth twoweaponing those 08:27 <@Loggers_VIII> though as a tourist honestly I’d be tempted to run Grayswandir/werebane just for rule of cool 08:30 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 08:32 heh 08:34 -!- Glasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:42 Loggers_VIII but there is also the weight system 08:43 I don't have 25 str (dragonbane) 08:44 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:57226 (1 day, 0:33:13) 09:00 \o/ 09:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:05 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:06  /o\ 09:06 <@hackemslashem> S3n7 1n s0m3 7r0llz 09:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:57885 (1 day, 0:56:01) 09:14 \o/ 09:18 yay 09:19 @hackemslashem is 2.1.0 ready for release? or are you still doing things 09:20 <@hackemslashem> Noo, def not lol. I have some major tests to do first. The master branch is still 2.0.0. 09:20 kk 09:20 a - a mithril broad bearded axe named Dramborleg uuh ok... 09:20 <@hackemslashem> I still want to play out 2.0 to make sure it's beatable too 09:21 The mithril broad bearded axe named Dramborleg evades your grasp! 09:21 heheh 09:21 yeah that is some bs right there 09:21 just blast me and get over yourself 09:21 well I'm not a dwarf 09:21 youre not a quest reward 09:22 it's still attuned to law dwa 09:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had a large shield entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:58290 (1 day, 1:07:58) 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5841 points, T:6744, killed by a vampire bat, while reading a book 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful giant ant, on T:9 (0:00:11) 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful quasit, on T:4 (0:00:04) 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful green slime, on T:3 (0:00:03) 09:50 -!- Glasshopper has joined #evilhack 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful vampire bat, on T:3 (0:00:03) 09:53 -!- Grasshopper has joined #evilhack 09:54 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:56 -!- Glasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:424 (0:02:04) 10:05 not gonna get this commit finished in time before i gotta leave for dentist 10:05 booo/hissss 10:06 *almost* done 10:07 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1885 (0:22:40) 10:16 whew got the commit in just in time 10:16 gotta go in 2 min hah 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 904 points, T:2525, killed by a rothe, while praying 10:19 bbl 10:19 later k2 10:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:285 (0:01:18) 10:20 EvilHack Commits: Changes to forging, new object: blacksmith hammer. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/54482143b7c3ff373b446169078804203074609b 10:21 YESSSS GUARANTEED GOBLIN TOWN HAMMER YESSSS 10:21 I praise thee, k2 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 109 points, T:813, killed by a freezing mist 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:376 (0:01:25) 10:27 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a mithril stiletto entrusted to her by Odin, on T:10599 (2:21:20) 10:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1960 (0:10:07) 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:5184 (0:43:02) 10:38 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:6041 (0:46:16) 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3958 points, T:6185, poisoned by an orcish arrow, while frozen by a potion 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Nightsorrow the human zombie, and former Joshu, on T:14427 (1:30:54) 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1162 (0:11:28) 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 32096 points, T:14452, killed by an invisible stalker 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Inf Hum Mal Una), 1310 points, T:1622, killed by a hill orc 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11429 (2:39:48) 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 5508 points, T:5901, killed by an iron ball collision 11:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:17 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided gray dragons, on T:73406 (1 day, 2:34:46) 11:20 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:31 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:31 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:29 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 12:34 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:39 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:06 I need magical barding. There's one that provides reflection, right? I only have the spiked one currently 13:07 267 hp and lvl 36, but only -5 AC :( 13:07 gonna try to enchant this one in the meantime 13:07 (woolly) 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:74655 (1 day, 3:38:17) 13:18 rebatela: polished barding (barding + shield of reflection) 13:18 and obv ithilmar :-) 13:18 ah right thanks 13:18 oh that's like artifact barding? 13:18 indeed. vorpal-proofs them! 13:18 it is amazing 13:19 that's a lot of dedication for a steed but i'm sure it's fun 13:19 you'll never lose a pet you stick that barding on 13:19 i'm having a blast with this woolly but i've had to undead him and unstone him a couple times (just today!) 13:19 also lost one of the titans 13:19 but now it's easier riding the woolly and just having one titan (with fire brand) 13:20 all you have to do is genocide basilisk, beholdir, cockatrice, and chickatrice and ithilmar makes your mount immortal 13:20 hehe 13:20 yeah it's the rubber chicken that just got me 13:20 not even impossible to make: grayswandir + dragonbane + vorpal blade 13:20 the fucking thing gored it 13:20 like they don't know not to 13:20 or maybe it was confused 13:21 i gave up on grayswandir/dragonbane this game 13:21 ive recently come around to genociding all petrifiers... so much more pet-friendly 13:21 instread i'm using non artifact dragonhide gloves and i have EOTA for PW regain 13:21 (and branchport obviously) 13:21 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:21 and wearing alchemy smock for acid 13:21 well, no dragonbane means you'll be REALLY thrilled when the hand of vecna drops! 13:22 i am probaby skipping all that 13:22 skipping vecna? that's crazy-talk! 13:22 hehe i often do 13:22 you'll never get a 200k turn game with that attitude 13:22 i have weaponless going still. really trying to keep it 13:23 oh yeah reflection is the thing i don't have (or not wasting a slot for ) 13:23 so i've been casting it 13:23 pickaxes and unihorns shouldnt break weaponless conduct. they are tools! 13:23 and it stacks and i have Eota so it's fine (as long as i remember to cast it lol) 13:23 otherwise the dragonhide gloves and the smock it's same as regular dragonbane 13:24 if i'm not gonna get the purity silver thing going 13:24 i also have several pairs of silver gauntlets that i was giving the titans that i could wear mysel f 13:24 not quite the same, cant beat a black dragon to death 13:24 if i wanted the silver damage 13:24 you can't beat a black dragon to death with artifact gloves either unless you want to lose them 13:24 unless something has changed 13:24 you can with dragonbane 13:24 because i have lost glvoes that way 13:25 well not with the purity ones 13:25 no, not with purity 13:25 you can with straight up dragonbane? 13:25 yup 13:25 good to know 13:25 i always genocide black and gray 13:25 but i always play weaponless.. 13:25 it just makes it easier 13:25 or...now that i think about it, am i being crazy? 13:25 i guess confirm with mobileuser before taking MY word for it :-) 13:25 i think you're right 13:26 but i LOST purity gloves maybe because they are silver 13:26 i never melee either of those dragons haha 13:26 i dont see that dragonbane property mentioned on the wiki so maybe i'm just a lucky fool 13:26 just not worth it and i USED to magic missile like the gray dragon 13:26 but ONE of you got him to make it resist the magic 13:27 punching black dragons with dragonbane is fine 13:27 i can still mmissile the black ones 13:27 don't do it with purity gloves tho, right? 13:27 then the wiki is missing it! 13:27 thats where i went wrong 13:27 i thought it would be like dragonbane lol 13:27 but i think they still get destroyed by antimatter vortices 13:27 i ascended that game im pretty sure 13:28 I have it listed a good couple of places 13:28 but yes DBane is immune to specifically black dragon disintegration 13:28 standard artifact chance of resisting in other instances 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Mephistopheles, on T:75092 (1 day, 3:52:18) 14:24 that was the only take away from the forging changes? heh 14:24 ah loggers is gone 14:32 krm26 hi 14:32 krrrrrrm26 14:33 that would be funny if that last one pinged you 14:48 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:48 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:49 EvilHack Commits: Various player conditions can prevent successful forging. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/64ff1c8d706e701c6c0215435237b3d23fe7a477 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2077 (0:12:42) 14:59 hihi, was grabbing post-school girls 14:59 come on, strength less than FOUR, your requirements are too stringent :-) 14:59 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zinc.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 14:59 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:00 forging while blind sounds dangerous 15:07 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 15:08 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful iron piercer, on T:4 (0:00:04) 15:09 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:2 (0:00:03) 15:17 ow you've squished your thumb! 15:25 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:25 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 15:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:60135 (1 day, 2:10:35) 15:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:35 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 15:41 have I ever mentioned that I hate objnam.c ? 15:41 not since yesterday 15:42 you specifically talking about the wishing bits? 15:42 any of it really 15:42 i'm in that file again 15:43 what i am doing is working, i just hate it 15:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed Tal'Gath, on T:60341 (1 day, 2:20:10) 15:43 i like that is handles goose but not vortex 15:44 in case you want to genocide antimatter geese 15:44 or did they do a generic rtex? 15:45 i only read nethack code with grep :-) 15:52 i use grep a lot 15:53 grep + regex baby 15:54 i dont know why but i get giddy when i can do something like use a lookbehind regex grep to solve a problem 15:55 ripgrep ftw 15:56 and saves two typed characters to rg instead! 15:56 more 15:56 you dont have to add which files to search :D 15:56 and it is faster 15:57 of course the big advantage grep has is omnipresence 15:59 but rg's killer functionality is obeying .gitignore 15:59 yeah but if I am deving on a machine it will sure as hell have rg :D 15:59 but yeah if doing some lookaround on a server then yeah it will not have it 16:04 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 16:12 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:14 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:35 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:37 i gotta do chores 16:37 but i wanna code instead 16:37 HALP 16:37 3 2 1 go 16:37 bbl 16:57 <[> git grep obeys .gitignore 16:57 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:57 <[> and you can do grep --exclude-from=.gitignore with GNU grep 16:59 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:00 <[> (you also need --exclude-dir=.git if you're doing that) 17:00 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:11 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:14 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:14 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:75895 (1 day, 4:17:19) 17:28 yay another titan 17:29 hopefully it's a dude... the two ladies were always bickering 17:31 chix am i rite 17:33 nice. i have two again! (and this second one is male) 17:33 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 17:33 someone to fertilize the titan eggs 17:33 i haye objnam.c 17:33 hate even 17:33 but i am bending it to my will this time 17:34 this? https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_2.3e/objnam.c 17:34 man i love old standard c like that 17:36 well not ver 2.3 17:36 i miss the wand of death on orcus lvl :( 17:37 i guess i could just play vanilla lol. Is it still there? 17:38 <@Loggers_VIII> yep and in 3.7 if orcus gets a zap off and he sees you resist it he’ll even do you a favor and not empty the rest 17:38 yup 17:38 ooh didn't know that 17:38 other than i like most of your changes.. I'm trying to get my older brother to play. He used to play nh and moria/angband etc. back in the day 17:38 <@Loggers_VIII> pretty sure vanilla took that straight from evil 17:39 and i told him most of the changes are fun and he'd have no trouble picking it all up 17:39 oh it used to suck because he'd keep zapping it 17:39 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah in 3.6 I bash him with paralysis or rubber chicken 17:40 if you want a guaranteed wand of death all you have to do is walk into ludios without reflection or mr 17:40 i used to go to the lvl below, hit himi once then lvl port to the lvl above him and go down and be on the stair and it would only waste one charge 17:40 <@Loggers_VIII> YANI: give Charon a wand of death 17:41 he already has a conditional one 17:41 just gotta get your target to stand on a drawbridge 17:42 <@Loggers_VIII> kinda a random idea, but has anyone killed Lucifer with that drawbridge in the sanctum? 17:43 <@Loggers_VIII> I feel like if you finagle stuff right that could be doable and efficient 17:44 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 17:44 probably more effort than the already established strats, though 17:45 it's something to think about if for example boulder forts get nerfed 17:57 probably it would take as much time to lure lucifer over after waking him up as it would to just stab him to death for many characters 17:58 but it would be fun for style points if nothing else 17:59 EvilHack Commits: Fix: allow non-satyrs to use non--pan flutes https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/ddc54783e81d8fe6a91f1c7fef4022d0464a4b77 18:00 I think if you wake him up in a fancy way and then use jumping maybe it could work out to be more efficient? idk 18:01 hah good catch terrapin 18:04 tits, knew I forgot something 18:22 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5 points, T:111, killed by a bolt of cold 18:24 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:24 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6764 points, T:3756, killed by Ms. Karangkobar; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1074 (0:06:57) 18:40 got another forging commit i'm working on 18:40 gonna be neato 18:45 consider me hyped 18:45 neato is a pretty high designation 18:48 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 18:48 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 18:53 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2184 (0:17:37) 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (large mimics), on T:2264 (0:18:11) 18:54 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) genocided giant mimics, on T:2267 (0:18:31) 18:56 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:59 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Law), 844 points, T:2542, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:03 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 19:04 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3183 points, T:4125, killed by a piranha 19:10 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven tunic entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:49899 (13:57:40) 19:19 my horse died and his barding disappeared :( 19:23 eh 19:23 where were you when it died 19:23 riding or not riding? 19:23 and what was it standing on? 19:23 ^ bouquet 19:27 new commit about to show 19:27 EvilHack Commits: Forged armor/weapon quality. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9b58eb47d3eaa0e00ffeb89217c329be6f4a7baf 19:31 logical conclusion of allowing forging in the first place 19:31 wondered when we'd get here 19:32 feel like it shouldn't be random, you should only be able to get superior or exceptional gear from a skilled smith (whether that's someone you find in the dungeon or you become one by forging lots of stuff) 19:32 I'd make it based on current hammer skill 19:32 also, K2, why use an entire byte for this? you could do it in a 2-byte bitfield 19:33 i knew you were gonna say that 19:33 and I'd make an enum for those values instead of sticking magic numbers from -1 through 2 everywhere 19:33 i wasnt sure 100% how to do that 19:34 do a 2-byte bitfield and an enum with nothing = 0, inferior = 1, superior = 2, exceptional = 3 19:34 yeah. i dont know exactly how to do that 19:34 riding 19:34 you're not actually using the negative value for anything that you couldn't check with forged_qual == INFERIOR 19:34 standing in a corridor 19:35 K2: perhaps look at another enum as an example of syntax? 19:35 Umbire if it were based on hammer skill, it would exclude a lot of roles 19:36 aosdict if we start going down the 'skilled smith' path, we're getting into MMO crafting hell territory 19:37 dont need players grinding for forging skill 19:37 it was custom forged relfective barding. Also of note, the +5 shield of reflection didn't transfer any bonus to the forged product. It came out +0. 19:37 you could have a special room containing a forge and a smith NPC who could make superior/exceptional gear for you for gold. doesn't matter that much if the room never randomly generates, or you could guarantee a room in some special level 19:37 but yeah i could look at another enum example 19:38 aosdict yeah i have something kinda like that on my to-do 19:38 aosdict: that room would go well in ludios. Captive armor smith to make Croseus's fancy gold armor. 19:38 that would be useful I think for flavor - the player isn't a smith themselves, and has no chance of forging amazing gear by accident 19:38 bouquet if the shield was the first obj in the forging chain, then yeah it'd come out +0 19:38 also i cant recall, i'm not sure enchantment crosses over to tools 19:38 I think it was, ya 19:38 i dont think they do 19:39 Could go the NPC route then, yeah 19:39 well lets do the bitfield thing proper first 19:39 what's a good bitfield/enum to emulate 19:40 yeah enchantments only carry over if they're the same obj class 19:40 mostly to prevent forging +7 armor from highly enchanted weapons i think, but it does mean you can't get enchanted bardings 19:41 (and it's why forging ashmar sometimes gives a wonky enchantment) 19:42 K2: how_lost in 3.7? 19:42 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/9b58eb47d3eaa0e00ffeb89217c329be6f4a7baf/include/trap.h#L23 ? 19:42 I'm not sure that's in 3.6 but the concept is exactly the same as what I was suggesting, same bitfield length even 19:44 thanks aosdict 19:44 i'll work on that later tonight 19:44 (and thanks terrapin too) 19:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2295 (0:18:23) 19:50 hmm 19:51 where's the enum for how_lost? is it the #define LOST_ bits? 19:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2619 points, T:2412, killed by a magic missile 19:52 yes, I prefer an actual enum but you could use define 19:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:53 ok 19:53 i'll work on this 20:06 yay terrapin, he found and fixed a bug in my last commit 20:06 EvilHack Commits: Remove redundant code https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9f37ffa6037471d4e9b6ab5cf4761714c513a605 20:06 EvilHack Commits: Fix: crash when not wielding anything https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/39f53170bdb56906e2de0f955d8061e089d689da 20:11 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 20:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) murdered Hachi, his faithful little dog, on T:862 (0:03:25) 20:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 311 points, T:965, killed by a crossbow bolt 20:17 argh k2, with superior and exceptional you are just making stacking even HARDER :-) 20:17 there is still the weird bug where sometimes an invisible property prevents item stacking 20:18 (presumably, somehow something ends up "fixed steel" instead of "steel", i guess?) 20:20 K2: you should be able to use a charge of the blacksmith's hammer to guarantee a superior/exceptional forge 20:20 perhaps you #invoke it to put it in a state where your next forge is guaranteed high quality? 20:20 I mean it's pretty expressly magical 20:21 interesting 20:21 brb working on this enum thing 20:21 the fixed steel bug *should* be solved. how recently have you noticed it krm26? 20:21 i am not sure +1 or +2/+1tohit = a charge that could otherwise produce an artifact 20:21 ooh that sounds fun Loggers 20:21 I think the current way it is could encourage a 'grinding' of sorts where players forge stuff over and over and over 20:21 my very last run terrapin 20:21 well darn 20:22 and they were definitely fully IDed? not a surprise oprop? 20:22 yes 20:22 but only the final result was fully id'd, so i'm not sure what produced it 20:23 krm26: they don't need to be equal I don't think, I'm just spitballing how you could make a system where you can acquire items of higher quality reliably, for a resource tradeoff 20:23 next time i make 10000 shuriken i'll pay closer attention 20:23 and make a report 20:23 huh. well thanks for bringing it up again, hopefully we can find a proper solution eventually 20:24 i didnt realize it was supposed to be fixed or i would have been more attentive, sorry 20:25 with the current charge/recharge numbers on the blacksmith hammer, a careful player should be able to forge what they want in terms of artifacts and still have some left over, so I think it would be interesting to do something with that 20:26 so superior is basically +0.5 enchantment and exceptional +1.5... i'm not sure i'd ever make an intentional decision to do that. maybe for like a silver aklys of frost or something 20:26 as an aside, if it's currently possible to WISH for superior/exceptional weapons and armor, it shouldn't be 20:26 ^ definitely 20:26 heh krm26 'fixed' was a very confusing word to parse there. no worries! sorry it wasn't actually fixed 20:29 as far as strength, I think it's at least better to introduce something kinda weak than overpowered, numbers can be tweaked later if the quality stuff proves to be underwhelming 20:29 anyway I don't know about YOU but I want to forge some badass weapons and I want to be able to do it without forging a million daggers until one comes out 'exceptional' :P 20:30 if im stocking up on silver elven daggers using the few metal elven arrows ive managed to find, im gonna be PISSED when i cant stack them because a couple do +1 damage 20:30 :-) 20:30 but that's just me 20:30 although i can solve that by not using a blessed hammer i guess 20:31 hehehe you can solve that by not using missile weapons cuz they're annoying in a million different ways 20:33 i generally only forge artifacts, barding, lances if a knight (which i end up not using), aklys, daggers, and shuriken 20:33 this was just initial commit guys. i fully expected there to be changes and some bugs (which terrapin was quick to find) 20:33 so the number of non-artifact non-missile weapons i forge is generally 0 if i'm not a knight 20:33 and might as well be 0 if i am a knight 20:34 and that is simply because of the availability of artifact weapons and the ability to use artifacts in the offhand 20:34 K2: you know us, as soon as even a first implementation hits we need to pick at it and think about gameplay implications, that's how nethack players are :) 20:35 if artifacts prevented offhanding, that would change things 20:35 ...so if i'm using a magical hammer to forge stuff now, can i finally forge dragonhide and bone stuff :-) 20:36 wanna make myself a bone slippery shield 20:36 can you forge those? 20:36 i mean, maybe, if we bribe k2 enough 20:37 just a shield and a pair of slippers 20:37 splicehack had a forge where you could make all kinds of magical shit, kinda cool 20:37 "Raising your hammer, you begin to forge the spear and the bone javelin together." 20:37 heh 20:37 to be honest, ring of free action + shield seems kinda legit 20:37 Loggers_VIII i gotcha 20:37 i was telling terrapin i just wanted to get the initial code out the proverbial door 20:37 "Crafting with bone requires the Expanding Crafting Pack (USD 4.00). Continue? (y/n)" 20:38 wand of light and shield for shield of light 20:38 lol 20:38 ...apropos of nothing i think harbinger should also probe its target sometimes 20:39 because aklyses are cool, and a harbinger presages something 20:39 so it fits with the name 20:39 and too few artifacts probe 20:39 give it warning lol 20:39 they are all like, "i'm gonna hurt him", "damage damage damage" 20:39 but weapons can do cooler shit 20:39 that way it can presage you of all sorts of shit 20:39 enhanced warning that shows 0s!!!!!! 20:40 omigod a warning with 0s would be so amazeballs 20:40 oh dude give it x-ray vision 20:40 i still want one of croesus's pieces of shit gold gear to have the "warn of gold" oprop 20:41 druids should get a warning for just trees and woodland creatures 20:41 be back soon, late dinner time 20:44 Loggers_VIII: players immediately picking holes in a commit is why I try to put my ideas out there for discussion before I start coding anything :) 20:45 EvilHack Commits: Rework forged armor/weapon code. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/8fe83d4a8d985054088ce480abd11e2843145fa2 20:46 aosdict: it's great to have players so quick with feedback, ain't it? :P 20:47 also on a scale of one to goat variant how sick is the next xnethack version gonna be 20:48 k2, if forged_qual were just some bits instead of an enum you could have a bit for +1 to hit, a bit for +1 damage, a bit for lightweight, etc :-) 20:50 how am I supposed to determine that 20:50 idk what's gonna be in it 20:51 solve for x(nethack) 20:51 tell me the sickest things and I'll determine 20:51 LOL terrapin 20:51 moving discussion to #xnethack 20:51 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:51 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 21:28 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2231 (1:05:23) 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3223 (1:13:52) 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2309 points, T:3226, killed by a rock gnome 21:48 when a monster is disintegrated, an amulet of life saving procs after their shirt and cloak are gone but before deleting other inventory, righT? 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