00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a pair of bone kicking boots entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:2765 (0:58:49) 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2918 (1:03:46) 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:63291 (9:43:16) 00:27 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:63818 (9:54:46) 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3339 (1:30:35) 00:44 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12863 (2:39:33) 00:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 01:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:9434 (1:29:49) 01:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9766 (1:34:09) 01:53 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #evilhack 02:17 I dunno what to do with this pacifist run. I guess I should get crowned - no MR, so polytraps are an issue when exploring further down the main dungeon. so might as well put off exploring further for awhile. tbh now that I think of it I wonder if my celestial dragon can get polymorphed 02:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:20 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 02:29 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:48 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 02:54 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:02 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 03:07 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:17 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 04:19 -!- Loggers_VIII15 has joined #evilhack 04:19 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19 -!- Loggers_VIII15 is now known as Loggers_VIII 04:33 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:10177 (4:52:46) 04:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:08 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Mal Law), 25688 points, T:11847, killed by an elven queen 05:11 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 05:19 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:11 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:52 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1868 points, T:2304, killed by a bolt of fire 08:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3045 (0:25:15) 08:22 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:27271 (2:30:42) 08:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:44737 (15:54:32) 08:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44738 (15:54:35) 08:52 The Platinum Yendorian Express Card 08:52 my precioussss..... 09:06 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a gray dragon, on T:29388 (2:56:52) 09:07 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Oracle, on T:30905 (3:15:23) 09:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3301 (0:16:11) 09:33 @Loggers_VIII did you lose your pet dragon? 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3894 (0:21:06) 09:36 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:37 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4616 (0:28:30) 09:53 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack 09:53 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (lead.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 09:53 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 09:54 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:32693 (3:44:15) 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:33942 (3:55:47) 10:14 elron smash 10:14 heh 10:40 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:43 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:17737 (3:58:18) 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:38742 (4:45:05) 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:64340 (10:07:42) 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:19375 (4:21:07) 11:12 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:24250 (4:03:31) 11:12 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:24257 (4:03:52) 11:14 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a pair of gauntlets of protection, on T:19965 (4:28:44) 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 219874 points, T:24542, killed by a woolly mammoth, while fumbling 11:20 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20 EvilHack Commits: Allow giants to be Druids. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/ca32446659c8376b6f55a60e309369a2964865b3 11:20 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 11:21 -!- krm26 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:40172 (5:11:38) 11:23 giant droooood 11:37 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide jumping boots", on T:66016 (10:46:44) 11:38 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide gauntlets of dexterity", on T:66021 (10:47:22) 11:38 what is the flavor of your druids k2? In slashdnh they have "quickshift" as their main unique ability which changes you into a bear briefly or wolf/hawk/cheetah briefly and then allows an ability based on that. Are your version "shifters" or "animal companion types" or something else? 11:39 the sad part is that my vision for how the "bear attack" works is really cool if nethack had graphics, but just prints some text since it doesn't :). It is similar to some of the bear attacks in Diablo 4, by the way :) 11:44 evilhack druids will be able to change shape. havent gotten that far yet 11:44 they'll have various woodland monster summoning spells too 11:45 nice. 11:45 slashdnh inheritted druid from slex I gather? mostly cookie-cutter role 11:46 NO, there aren't any Slex items in slashdnh. It's my own Druid incarnation. I had the idea for a "quickshift" a long time ago, so it is the fullfillment of that. 11:46 oh! 11:46 good on you 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:42919 (5:36:30) 11:47 about half of the roles in V1 are new-and-custom roles. And I am customizing the existing roles quite a bit also. I'm trying to get every role to play somewhat differently. I'm pretty close to it already and that's my goal for launch. 11:47 I guess you could play them the same also, of course, but missing out on their unique ability will greatly hinder you :) 11:48 and I'm trying to make the difficulty high enough that you are going to really want to optimize your power level :) 11:53 :) 11:55 fooooooooooood time 11:57 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 11:58 malor: if theres any shoes in there, isnt that automatically slex content? 11:58 * NetSysFire ducks 11:58 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 11:59 K2: late, but I did lose my dragon for a little bit - it got teleported into the secret room in the sewers with me, but when I teleported out it didn't come with 11:59 that was scary but it ended up teleporting out somehow which was nice 11:59 it might be. By "no slex included" I mean I didn't go to SLEX to get things, but if SLEX had inspired something in dnh then I am not counting that as SLEX but instead counting it as "dnh" even if the genealogy of it includes slex in the past. 12:08 I mean SLEX did have some good ideas, it's hopefully not controversial to say that e.g. the pokedex idea was actually pretty solid 12:08 just that there's also like, five thousand inadvisably bad ones for each 12:11 Pokedex came from unnethackplus, not slex 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:16679 (2:22:02) 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:66965 (11:08:59) 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:17228 (2:24:51) 12:21 kinda wanted marker but not gonna pass that up 12:21 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Tal'Gath, on T:67408 (11:12:29) 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided beholders, on T:67581 (11:14:01) 12:24 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:67769 (11:15:47) 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:67783 (11:16:06) 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:44846 (6:15:07) 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44856 (6:15:16) 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:44876 (6:15:42) 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a soldier ant), on T:9025 (2:21:16) 12:28 Loggers_VIII, did it now? 12:30 right, I am not against SLEX. I was just stating a fact that I didn't take any of their ideas DIRECTLY. But I have no ill will toward SLEX. The devs of SLEX just love their pr0n and don't want their game to be accessible to the literal dozens of players that might otherwise play it! 12:34 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:45517 (6:24:13) 12:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:10099 (2:41:25) 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Dispater, on T:69920 (11:49:14) 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Geryon, on T:69937 (11:50:01) 12:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:12086 (1:11:28) 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided green slimes, on T:69979 (11:50:58) 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create The Staff of the Archmagi, on T:46552 (6:54:07) 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed Kas, on T:70222 (11:55:40) 13:07 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:07 umbire: yeah heard it from Amy herself 13:08 -!- NetSysFire is now known as Guest6552 13:08 -!- NetSysFi1 has joined #evilhack 13:08 -!- Guest6552 has quit [Killed (lithium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 13:08 -!- NetSysFi1 is now known as NetSysFire 13:08 ah 13:08 awhile ago when I was talking to her I said something commending slex for the Pokedex and she was like 'it's nice that people still think that was me, but I just stole it from unnethackplus' 13:09 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Fem Law), 1596066 points, T:70417, dissolved in molten lava 13:10 !lastgame 13:10 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/splungetoo/evilhack/dumplog/1735497402.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/davez/evilhack/dumplog/1735562422.evil.html 13:10 skewed priorities much 13:12 one million percent deserved death 13:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:14748 (1:30:23) 13:18 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 361 points, T:1139, killed by a goblin 13:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:97128 (1 day, 17:12:08) 13:20 gotta freeze your way out posthaste, hostiles be damned 13:25 ngl pacifist is the most stressful conduct of all fucking time 13:26 I no joke had a nightmare last night that I used #conduct and 'you have been a pacifist' didn't show up 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Dispater, on T:98174 (1 day, 17:23:29) 13:31 after this game of yours loggers surely you will join my lobbying effort to make celestial dragons untameable :-) 13:33 krm26: they are wildly overpowered yes :) 13:33 mine killed archangel izchak by herself 13:33 oh soooo close a @rogue snagged my pegasus spiked barding so the adjacent trapper/dragons could get her... just managed to whistledance her to safety 13:35 I was very surprised at just how much better a celestial dragon is compared to, say, an archon 13:35 duly noted 13:35 at least before you can kit an archon out with a million artifacts. then the archon is better 13:36 btw does anyone know if my dragon will use a unicorn? 13:36 *unihorn 13:36 no 13:36 need hands 13:36 laaaame 13:36 it hurts because i love charming them on the way through purgatory but they should definitely be forbidden due to awesomeness 13:37 malor, from earlier you said 'The devs of SLEX just love their pr0n' <---- it's not just porn, it was child porn 13:37 that was the main issue 13:38 bad decision in a text based game to say the least. You have to have some messed up inner voice to make that set of choices. 13:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5571 (0:46:18) 13:39 some people tend to forget (or worse, ignore) that fact about slex 13:39 yeah and the devs attitude about it showed a pretty substantial empathy and/or maturity deficit, feel bad for them 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an elven royal, on T:12591 (3:35:12) 13:41 i see that a lot in people who use the term "woke" unironically -- fing woke people dont want me to experience consequences for treating other people like shit! da bastards 13:41 heh there was no way in hell I could kill krm26's celestial dragon pet in my last game 13:41 im glad you got that bones! 13:41 :-) 13:41 i mean, not as glad as i woulda been if you had died there too to keep me company 13:42 lol 13:42 maybe next time 13:42 i think i have evilhack drug-seeking behavior now where once ive confirmed the run isnt getting a demon lord bones i just crash 13:42 demon lord bones are the BEST 13:43 we have a real skill curve problem tho where the people who are likely to get to a demon lair arent likely to die there 13:43 i mean, *i* do *my* part 13:45 yeah splunge is really carrying the whole 'late-game death' department 13:45 i love splunge 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13137 (3:41:21) 13:48 is that a problem or is that just a good difficulty curve 13:49 it is an artifact of there not being a constant influx of new evilhack players 13:49 if as many people played evilhack as played vanilla it wouldnt be an issue 13:49 basically evilhack needs a better pr team 13:50 I don't think "play more evil so I can have more bones" is a winner of a PR campaign. 13:51 well you don't SAY that 13:52 rofl 13:52 it is so frustrating that greater pegasus slow is permanent because they always resist helpful spells 13:53 I'd just take the tameness hit and throw/hit 'em with the speed pot 13:54 i cant do that -- it interferes with my strategy of leaving 40 unused dilute full healing potions behind in my stash when i start my ascension run 13:54 i think i have it on the to-do, if monster is tame, bypass MR for helpful magic effects 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:13560 (3:49:56) 13:55 oh yeah speaking of, kinda annoyed I didn't think to report the speed monster thing earlier 13:55 it's a trivial enough fix for 3.6.x 13:57 is that in 3.7? 13:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 16351 points, T:7223, killed by a warhorse 14:01 yeah but it could've been in way earlier in retrospect 14:01 just thought it wasn't that big a deal + also funny 14:03 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/9bc6e1bee1abc5d97cda0118f9341728ddcc7ab5 14:10 nooice 14:15 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3934 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:99880 (1 day, 18:14:30) 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:99895 (1 day, 18:14:42) 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:28623 (6:41:34) 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:100044 (1 day, 18:19:12) 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:100376 (1 day, 18:24:56) 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1243 (0:06:14) 14:44 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:45 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 3168 points, T:3515, killed by a piranha, while sleeping 14:57 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:59 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 418 points, T:698, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 15:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Demogorgon, on T:102579 (1 day, 18:57:36) 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2299 (0:16:41) 15:18 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #evilhack 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide bracers of frost", on T:102878 (1 day, 19:15:05) 15:31 -!- hackemslashem2 has joined #evilhack 15:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:33 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 6210 points, T:6657, poisoned by an orcish arrow 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:374 (0:01:27) 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:50151 (7:40:22) 15:47 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:49 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:50 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:52 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 15:56 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6504 points, T:6669, killed by a saber-toothed tiger 16:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4153 (0:28:06) 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 4662 points, T:4156, killed by a wolf 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:322 (0:01:32) 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:51181 (8:09:41) 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 728 points, T:2031, killed by a drow zombie 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:473 (0:01:13) 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:33677 (8:15:22) 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33678 (8:15:26) 16:27 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:28 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) refused to give up The Eye of the Aethiopica to Neferet the Green, on T:33966 (8:21:37) 16:31 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Neferet the Green, on T:33996 (8:24:13) 16:36 more new spells 16:36 MOAR 16:38 <@Loggers_XI> what spells we talkin here 16:38 create grass and create trees 16:39 i need to be care ful with trees though 16:39 *careful 16:39 because you could easily make a fort that virtually nothing gets through (and you cant get through it either) 16:40 limit it by the amount of trees already surrounding you? 16:40 firing entirely from the hip here 16:40 <@Loggers_XI> just make them fuck off after a minute idk 16:40 maybe 16:41 will need to think 16:41 grass is easy, i already have it made 16:41 just cleaning up some bits 16:41 Umbire: no then you could box yourself in a choke point or dead end 16:41 made up of not-trees 16:41 <@Loggers_XI> what’s the point of create grass, do you get a bonus on it? 16:41 (and being able to grow grass will have its uses) 16:42 s/trees/walls 16:42 <@Loggers_XI> ah gotcha 16:42 whichever, you get the idea 16:42 it already has one use with the spell 'entangle' 16:42 what symbol is grass? comma? 16:42 . 16:42 comma is yuk 16:42 OPTIONS=nocolor players in shambles 16:42 * K2 shrugs 16:42 same for ice 16:43 vanilla supports using inverted-character for ice 16:43 (and lava) 16:43 aosdict I used your 'scroll of water' as a template for these spells 16:43 modified of course 16:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4662 (0:23:42) 16:44 oh it does? what's the inverted char? 16:44 the diamond thingy I think? 16:44 for lava at least, idk about ice off the top of my head 16:44 still . or } it just puts it in reverse mode, so if floor is white . on a black background, ice is black . on a white background 16:44 o 16:44 i'll throw that on the to-do 16:45 but this system obviously won't support three types of floor-like terrain that all use . 16:45 yup 16:45 i also have sand too :) 16:45 use comma you know you want to 16:46 nope 16:46 there is a cryptic mention of some future use of comma by the devteam in a commit message nhmall wrote, but I doubt we'll ever see it 16:47 i hate comma as a terrain feature 16:47 hate hate hate 16:47 completely out of place 16:48 that is an oddly strong opinion 16:48 I mean . is ubiquitous, , is not that different 16:48 K2 is commaist? 16:49 anti-commaist 16:49 <@Loggers_XI> grass is comma in nerf, looks fine 16:49 looks like shit 16:49 and its only in plain.default symset 16:49 plain/default 16:49 when you play it using ibmgraphics, its a . 16:49 AS IT SHOULD BE 16:50 :) 16:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 7865 points, T:5751, poisoned by a bone orcish arrow 16:52 <@Loggers_XI> lmao this IS a weird thing to be so against 16:52 not really 16:53 have you never seen a thing, like a picture, or a color, or a texture and said to yourself 'omg that looks horrible' ? 16:53 K2 WILL die on this hill, I wouldn't test him 16:53 is it a grass covered hill 16:53 yeah 16:53 with dots 16:53 looks like commas to me 16:53 * K2 slaps aosdict around a bit with a large trout 16:53 you earned that 16:54 thw wrath of mIRC 16:54 *the 17:09 aw yeah this is gonna be neat 17:09 -!- hackemslashem2 is now known as hackemslashem 17:14 <@Loggers_XI> being able to influence or create terrain for a strategic advantage is my favorite thing ever 17:14 want to go be dispater in xnh? 17:18 <@Loggers_XI> I want to fight dispater in xnh 17:19 <@Loggers_XI> xnh dispater is the most fun demon boss in any variant ngl 17:29 <[> is it . in decgraphics too? 17:30 <[> ibmgraphics is unusable unless your terminal is CP437, which it probably isn't unless you have a profile specifically for playing nethack with ibmgraphics 17:32 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:33 in evilhack yes, grass and sand are . across the board 17:33 regardless of symset 17:33 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 17:33 in nerfhack its a comma using dec 17:34 wait 17:34 yup i was correct 17:37 <[> I think 3.7 has utf8graphics and allows you to change glyphs in your rc file but I'm not sure how it works 17:37 its called 'enhanced1' symset 17:38 i havent tried it with 3.7 (changing terrain glyphs via cfg) 17:39 EvilHack Commits: New spell: create grass. https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/8be3f7f18f279d467938b618b0d76bbf621010b6 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:53427 (9:08:08) 17:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11242 (2:09:13) 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:53943 (9:21:06) 17:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:17198 (5:06:20) 17:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:04 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:54327 (9:30:57) 18:06 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:54410 (9:33:00) 18:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 46066 points, T:21066, killed by a magic missile 18:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (beholders), on T:54570 (9:36:04) 18:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:13, killed by a fox 18:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful goblin, on T:10 (0:00:10) 18:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1903 (0:09:11) 18:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3742 (0:16:46) 18:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:5168 (0:24:47) 18:43 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:01 "create grass" = lame. now, "lawn me", that's a spell! 19:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:8254 (0:46:47) 19:02 so no grass corridors right? 19:02 krm26: You see here a scroll labeled LAWN ME. 19:02 heh 19:02 i kinda wish each variant had their own randomized scroll names 19:05 I'm sitting on a pile of several scroll names I thought up, just don't really see any point in inserting them or replacing vanilla ones 19:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6058 points, T:8765, quit 19:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (iridium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 19:13 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 19:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1227 (0:05:49) 19:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3029 (0:14:58) 19:36 k2, if you ascend with a pet wearing ithilmar or carrying artifacts, do you get the artifact scores? 19:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2024 points, T:4563, killed by a rope golem 19:36 i dont know 19:37 krm26 i didnt set it up to change corridors 19:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2356 points, T:736, killed by a goblin 19:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:59, killed by a shattered potion, while reading a book 20:08 i think ithilmar imposes an obligation on you to let pet artifacts count towards score :-) 20:18 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 20:18  hello hackers today we will be continuing loggers' pacifist extravaganza in which i am sure i'll bump into a newt and proceed to kill myself 20:21 shoutout to mishi-gwiingwa'aage for getting her leash pulled on in travel like 20 million times and still being fiercely loyal! 20:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed for the first time, on T:18691 (2:39:32) 20:24 WHTA 20:24 HOW 20:24 FUCK OFF 20:24 WHAT THE FUCK 20:24 FUCK 20:24 FUCK 20:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 1056 points, T:18726, quit 20:25 ahem 20:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1810 points, T:1888, killed by a giant leech 20:26 !lastgame 20:26 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1735445912.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/davez/evilhack/dumplog/1735607548.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1734793412.evil.html 20:27 wand of striking? 20:28 I will not be commenting on it 20:28 for I will become whiny and spiteful 20:30 Sounds like it was more than just bumping into a newt lololol 20:30 (sorry couldn't resist) 20:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of a celestial dragon named Mishi-Gwiingwa'aage", on T:1 (0:00:13) 20:32 run it back :3 20:36 lol 20:36 stop qutting omg lol 20:37 leave sweet bonez for krm26 20:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible davez's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2473 (0:19:54) 20:52 <@Loggers_VIII> sweet sweet hostile celestial dragon bones? I’d rather not 20:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3048 (0:27:19) 21:05 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.1] 21:05 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1781 (0:34:29) 21:10 @Loggers_VIII you could've ditched the dragon and gone out in a blaze of glory 21:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4055 (0:44:31) 21:15 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:418 (0:01:46) 21:20 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1364 (0:07:07) 21:23 oh no bones? did celestial pacifist die? 21:24 omigod wut you quit 21:24 oh i see, accidentally killed someone 21:24 :-( 21:25 that woulda been a great bones to leave, celestial in an open level where they could stun you at will 21:27 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2086 (0:13:33) 21:27 how did you get that pet btw loggers? fountain wish? 21:32 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26: scum healer till healing/extra healing is smoky, quaff and profit 21:32 <@Loggers_VIII> profit like maybe 5% of the time, that is :) 21:33 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 16 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3040 (0:19:42) 21:36 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3171 (0:22:43) 21:37 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a bone visored helmet entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3199 (0:23:38) 21:43 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (genetic engineers), on T:3601 (0:30:03) 21:46 omg finally 21:46 progress in the right direction 21:47 working on yet another new druid spell 21:47 droooooood 21:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7010 (1:19:45) 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dro Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a key on an altar, on T:4320 (1:40:14) 22:18 <@Loggers_VIII> what spell k2? 22:18 Your scimitar transforms into wood. 22:18 * K2 gasps 22:18 <@Loggers_VIII> whoa 22:18 its a spell from ad&d 22:18 'transmute metal to wood' 22:19 working it so it fits with nethack/evilhack 22:19 <@Loggers_VIII> can you do that with armor? I could see that being very epic for elves/drow 22:19 i spent way too much time trying to figure out how to make it not transform an object that cant be wood 22:20 right now, any obj that can be wood is fair game 22:20 <@Loggers_VIII> my gut instinct was “lame” but in the last minute or so I came up with around a million obscure uses and now I’m excited 22:20 this is in prep for druids getting a slight bonus when wearing wooden armor 22:20 because if a druid is wearing anything metallic, they wont be able to cast 22:21 <@Loggers_VIII> anything at all? damn 22:21 period 22:21 yeha that's the rule 22:21 <@Loggers_VIII> I kinda like that 22:21 they can wield metallic weapons though 22:21 good for shedding wait! i want an orc shaman who can transmute stuff to bone now 22:21 but yeah one of the big rules for druids from ad&d, wearing any armor made of metal, big no-no 22:22 <@Loggers_VIII> ok now I’m excited for druid so finish it up and release tomorrow kthxbye 22:22 druids should be able to use that spell to turn iron golems into wood golems! 22:22 i'm getting there 22:22 its a directional spell 22:22 and of course looking forward to the new wooden chain item 22:22 and of course the wooden ball 22:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful gold golem, on T:7 (0:00:08) 22:23 currenty, the caster wields the obj they wanna change into wood 22:23 working on zapping stuff on the floor/zapping monster 22:23 wooden spiked barding 22:24 Your shield of reflection shimmers briefly, but remains the same. 22:24 <@Loggers_VIII> this is a good opportunity to make chains/balls able to be mats besides iron actually 22:24 yup, wooden ball, wooden hook, wooden chain 22:24 wood everywhere! 22:24 ---> wooden bars 22:24 potentially yeah 22:25 first things first though 22:25 i need to get the basic premise working 22:25 <@Loggers_VIII> heh wooden bars would be kinda great actually for clearing out bars 22:25 wooden coins? 22:25 no 22:25 no wooden coins 22:25 worth, of course, nothing 22:25 not going there 22:25 heh 22:25 <@Loggers_VIII> coins as objects are strange 22:26 Your short sword resists transformation. <--- artifact 22:26 <@Loggers_VIII> 3.7 added the ability to flip coins which is neat 22:26 Your Bell of Opening (locked) resists transformation. <--- invocation obj 22:26 this is gateway code to letting basilisks petrify some of your items 22:26 made sure invocation obj and the AoY are off-limits 22:27 dont wanna make the game unwinnable 22:27 suddenly your small shield is a stone small shield :-) 22:27 :) 22:27 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7706 (1:14:11) 22:28 ah i need to cover a condition where the target is already wood 22:28 <@Loggers_VIII> EPI: monster evocation spell, flesh to wood, it’s like stoning but you turn into a tree 22:28 dont need to see 'Your scimitar transforms into wood.' when it's already wood 22:29 lol loggers 22:29 that'd be funny 22:29 there's another droood spell from ad&d called 'changestaff' 22:29 it transforms your quaterstaff into a pet ent 22:29 see 'unearthed arcana' 22:29 sticks to snakes! 22:30 yup 22:30 the summon various animals spells are coming 22:30 those shouldnt be too difficult 22:30 and of course snakes to sticks 22:30 just modify existing spells 22:30 i think that sticks to snakes let you actually turn just general wooden shit into snakes -- so like, wooden elven short sword -> snake 22:31 ooh looking forward to wielding snakes as weapons 22:31 hssss 22:31 <@Loggers_VIII> sticks to snakes already exists for monsters if you geno/extinct the a class 22:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 519 points, T:2040, killed by a dart 22:32 hahah 22:32 it's neat seeing you guys get excited 22:32 i am too 22:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful goblin shaman, on T:2 (0:00:03) 22:32 so many ideas in my head 22:33 hisssssss 22:33 the real important thing is, do you have the beartrap messages set to include actual bears 22:33 yes, see past commits 22:33 pretty recent 22:33 good!! 22:34 did you read the notes on 'create grass' ? 22:34 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m actually hella excited lol, I didn’t think I was gonna be that interested in Druid 22:34 cant read the commit, i dont have a prescription 22:35 krm26 - if druids are standing on grass, their regen rate goes up slightly 22:35 health regen 22:35 (sorry, i know, i read it, i'm just spouting my normal bad jokes :-) 22:35 :P 22:35 <@Loggers_VIII> they should get a boost to evocation spell success on grass too 22:35 @Loggers_VIII druid was one of my favorite roles to play 22:36 so this is gonna be done right 22:36 oh that reminds me, i need to make another staff that boosts evocation spell chance 22:36 and make sure the SotA gives it too 22:37 <@Loggers_VIII> random appearance ‘moss-covered staff’ or something 22:38 apropros of that, ive been thinking it would be interesting to allow a staff to be "carried" 1h, using the same x-switch mechanism. would make spellschool staffs a little easier to utilize without making "real" staffs like magicbane better 22:38 this also very neatly covers the inability to make stuff into wood from forges I realize 22:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:967 (0:04:16) 22:38 can explain further if you are interested 22:39 Umbire yup 22:39 krm26 sure 22:39 <@Loggers_VIII> dnethack gives you the extrinsics from your off-handed weapon when it’s not wielded, which I think is pretty great. makes single-weapon builds more viable and gives stuff like Ogresmasher more use 22:40 so, if you try to wield a 2h weapon when already using a hand, it shows up as (held) or something. will not grant attack, but will grant wielded benefit. if drop other item would fully wield. 22:40 this could mean that you end up screwing yourself with no melee attack (quarterstaff, shield) 22:41 could make even easier by allowing X to switch a 2h weapon to (held), letting you pick up something else 1h 22:41 but not necessary 22:41 hrm 22:42 any potential use would probably not justify the additional complexity, but just something ive thought about periodically over the years 22:42 however, for spellschool staffs, which are basically just utility items, would make utilizing them pretty simple 22:43 from sword+board or 2h, just wield (hold) the divinattion staff or whatever and then back to your mainhand without having to deshield 22:43 @Loggers_VIII that makes no sense. off hand weapon you should only get the extrinsics from it when its wielded in the offhand 22:43 so odd 22:43 shields are there to make single-weapon builds more viable 22:44 except for poor spellcasters :-( 22:44 #boneslipperyshields4life 22:45 <@Loggers_VIII> I think it makes sense for one-handed weapons k2 22:45 <@Loggers_VIII> you can still fight with a one hander and hold another one in your off hand for the extrinsic 22:45 but not use it? 22:46 <@Loggers_VIII> sure, why not? 22:46 i mean, realism be damned, nethack, but no 22:46 if you are actually doing 1h sword fighting you can't just hold some random piece of crap in your other hand and not have it deleteriously effect your form 22:46 <@Loggers_VIII> I mean the player explicitly does nothing with their other hand 22:46 eh, I ain't feelin' it entirely 22:46 <@Loggers_VIII> ehh but you can hold a staff? :p 22:46 would have to sit on it a bit more 22:47 also I've always wanted to make stuff with bone and stone 22:47 dragonhide would be a bit much I imagine 22:47 <@Loggers_VIII> a staff is like the most cumbersome thing to hold ever 22:47 true 22:47 <@Loggers_VIII> ohhh wait nevermind I understand now I was too dumb to get your idea 22:48 but if you arent fighting, just walking around and getting punched in the face, holding a staff in each hand is no big deal 22:48 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah no I thought your idea was to hold a staff in one hand while you could fight with the other, I’m just dumb 22:48 <@Loggers_VIII> I get it 22:49 no text is just bad, this is why we should be arguing at a bar instead 22:49 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:10851 (1:36:00) 22:49 <@Loggers_VIII> I think my idea works if you impose TH penalties that increase with the weight and/or size of the offhanded weapon 22:49 sticks to snakes should change the staff of the archmagi into naga rodney 22:49 <@Loggers_VIII> I could one-hand a longsword while holding a knife in the other hand no sweat 22:50 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 22:50 Where the fuck are my shops 22:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3604 points, T:3107, quit 22:51 most people would use two hands to fight with a longsword, with the offhand sometimes being engaged with the hilt or pommel or just north of the guard, and sometimes roaming free for balance or whatever 22:51 <@Loggers_VIII> though then you reach the realistic conclusion that if you were to do that, why the hell wouldn’t you just swing the knife too? a dual wielding style is easier than a style where one hand just holds a weapon 22:51 no historic fighting makes a lot of sense, of course, when your opponent is a purple worm or a gelcube 22:51 <@Loggers_VIII> but nethack imposes arbitrary twoweaponing restrictions 22:52 well, evilhacks two-weapon restrictions are a gamey but sensible mechanic, doing stuff based on skill and weight. i think it works pretty nicely 22:52 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26: the player isn’t one of those people, though, otherwise both your hands would be welded when you cursed your longsword 22:52 nah, once it welds to one hand you sit on your other because your int is 3 or higher 22:52 <@Loggers_VIII> I’m speaking on the restrictions where some roles just can’t twoweapon. makes no sense whatsoever 22:53 radical idea (which i don't like :-) -- can't zap a wand without a free hand 22:53 <@Loggers_VIII> not like “they don’t have twoweaponing skill” like you try to do it and the game says “priests can’t do that dumbass” 22:53 <@Loggers_VIII> krm26: if that welding thing was possible then cursed weapons wouldn’t weld both your hands 22:53 or modified -- can't zap a wand when dual wielding. 2h weapon or weapon/shield gives you a "half-free" offhand you can zap with :-) 22:54 <@Loggers_VIII> *cursed two-handed weapons 22:54 zapping metal to wood on ground objects works, but the glyph doesnt change color until you walk over it 22:54 hmm 22:54 curses problem? 22:55 <@Loggers_VIII> yknow the more we get into this type of discussion, the more I realize the realism aspect of nethack is greatly overrated :p 22:55 yes, game mechanic >>>>> realism 22:55 no not curses 22:55 you want a "truthiness" to your mechanics, but that is about it :-) 22:56 but thinking about real-world stuff gives you a good basis for launching off into fantasy space with your mechanics 22:56 k2, must be some trigger for glyph updating? probably obvious in the poly-shit code 22:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:958 (0:04:47) 22:57 although as i type that i see how you obviously already know that :-) 22:57 i had newsym already called 22:57 there's a way to force it, i cant remember the function 22:58 searching 22:58 oh damn, my daughters sleepover wants me to tell them ghost stories, gotta split! when i return i hope everything is either a stick or a snake 22:58 :) 22:58 <@Loggers_VIII> haha seeya krm26 22:59 ah newsym_force() 23:00 bingo that did it 23:01 ok i need a break, my head hurts 23:01 adding new wrinkles to a few I have on my brain is draining :P 23:01 back in a bit 23:04 <@Loggers_VIII> later 23:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a magical cubical amulet on an altar, on T:3897 (0:20:27) 23:18 K2 My pet is stuck attacking Izchak the archangel. 23:18 Could you implement a similar feature you did for a temple's priest? Ie. It gives up after a number of failed attempts, for a while? 23:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 9640 points, T:4800, quit 23:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 500 points, T:1009, killed by a hobgoblin 23:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1034 (0:04:55) 23:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3014 (0:14:40) 23:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a kobold noble, on T:5282 (0:26:47) 23:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 8120 points, T:5286, quit 23:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:02)