00:00 gifted bladed stuff should be incapable of being wooden 00:00 it's actually like -1 damage or something 00:00 indeed. it makes no sense. 00:12 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 00:17 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:34 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 01:39 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:56 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 02:00 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:01 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:33 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 02:39 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:57 -!- bigchopchop66 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:59 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:58 -!- bigchopchop has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:23 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 04:45 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:01 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:693 (0:07:52) 05:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3461 (0:29:45) 05:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 2141 points, T:3492, killed by a Grey-elf 05:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:325 (0:01:19) 05:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1959 points, T:2825, quit 07:21 -!- Glasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 07:26 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful frost giant, on T:13 (0:00:09) 07:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2345 (0:11:02) 07:56 "Look! Thy bootlace is undone!" doesn't impress a tortle very much 08:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a sling on an altar, on T:3786 (0:18:54) 08:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:376 (0:02:24) 08:08 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 08:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 404 points, T:1759, killed by a bolt of lightning 08:17 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 08:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1045 (0:05:22) 08:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1507 (0:09:15) 08:22 Almost 10k gold, and I get an orctown spawn 08:22 gg 08:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 14610 points, T:8137, quit 08:29 stop quitting, leave bones for krm26 08:29 I'll never beat Loggers_VIII if I play out bad seeds 08:30 It's like minecraft. If you play a bad seed, it's just trolling 08:30 keep quitting cuz I really want you to beat me so I can beat you 08:30 :D 08:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:02) 08:34 Maybe I play female 08:34 smaller hitbox 08:34 kappa 08:35 heh it's technically optimal cuz you can lay eggs 08:35 (I just want to feel pretty) 08:35 xD 08:37 K2 do helms of speed ever drop randomly? Or is it only sokoban and player monsters? 08:37 they can spawn randomly 08:37 can even get it as a sac gift 08:38 i found a random dragonhide helm of speed once when that was still possible 08:38 then I need to check out this helm that just dropped before I open a soko door :-) 08:38 ah, good times Loggers_VIII 08:38 what happened to the game I love? 08:38 :P 08:38 lol 08:39 08:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 3868 points, T:3574, killed by an orc shaman 08:42 ok, sokoban disappointment incoming... 08:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Trt Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a pair of gauntlets of protection, on T:22318 (7:19:43) 08:42 yup 08:42 standard 08:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1345 (0:06:30) 08:46 yeah MC3, pfft 08:46 who wants that ? 08:46 so lame 08:46 :P 08:46 K2: he wished for dragonbane earlier lol 08:47 ah 08:47 there are times i feel like i made DB too good. it's like evilhack crack now 08:47 gotta get your fix 08:47 but yeah usually GoPr are great for tortle 08:48 I can take dragonbane or leave it. it might give one too many valuable things between big AC, reflection and acid res idk 08:48 I think if it wasn't dragonhide it'd be more replaceable for me with like dragonhide prot gloves 09:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 11832 points, T:6321, killed by an Uruk-hai 09:10 current Dragonbane fits perfectly with the existence of giants and tortles 09:10 they don't have a lot of options 09:13 and using it denies me the options of more dex or more prot, it's not like there's no trade-off K2 09:14 yeah factoring giants/tortles it's fine tbh 09:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful queen bee, on T:3 (0:00:04) 09:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful hobbit zombie, on T:12 (0:00:10) 09:17 im gradually falling out of love with dragonbane more and more because i love feeding dragon pets wraiths 09:18 My playlist for Evilhack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKti7QixnJI 09:18 At least I've got wr for most faithful pets killed :P 09:20 argh so instead of altar camping i guess i am applying this magic 8 ball 10,000 times to get mr 09:20 Isn't it 100,000 times? 09:21 siiiiggghhhh 09:21 rip lol 09:21 gonna be killed by a gelcube while doing this 09:21 If youre in goblin town, they cant spawn 09:22 only orcs, rodents and kobolds 09:22 yea but if im wasting time doing this it is gonna be by an altar so i can do the occasional sac to piss k2 off 09:22 xD 09:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:01) 09:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful rothe, on T:14 (0:00:09) 09:24 WTB dragon :) 09:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1173 (0:05:23) 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:40709 (15:30:13) 09:33 first one thousand applications, 999 more 1000 applications to go 09:33 it really isnt that bad if you dont need to worry about sanity 09:34 99,000 eight ball applications on the wall, 99,000 eight ball applications... 09:34 Or that you might have to do double or triple the amount :P 09:34 K2 is truly evil for not adding bad luck protection xD 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 1662 points, T:2716, killed by a bolt of cold 09:39 i guess i have about a 9.5% chance of getting a wish after 10,000 attempts 09:40 up to almost 75% after 100,000 09:41 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:830 (0:03:44) 09:42 Dragons have started spawning, but shops have stopped 09:42 ... 09:44 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a goblin), on T:535 (0:04:44) 09:45 ok alas i am just going to die to no mr, i dont have the fortitude for this 09:45 is it even possible to get a cloak of mr from an altar? i know that i never have 09:45 it is 09:46 lies! you are a lying liar who lies! 09:46 happened twice to me that I can remember :-) 09:46 HAX 09:46 All I get are +3 daggers and quarterstaves 09:46 with no obj prop xD 09:47 be grateful, obj prop means less chance of artifact later on 09:47 Those count as artifacts for the purpose of sacrifice gifts? 09:47 yeah my very first gift this run was crap with fire resistance, thx so much 09:48 Well now I'm just not saccing until I hit 30 lol 09:48 all magical items reduce the chance of artifacts 09:48 that's really shit 09:52 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1506 (0:12:54) 09:52 shall we revive yesterday's debate on whether the game should guarantee you an endgame worthy artifact 09:53 i mean, the game DOES guarantee you endgame worthy monsters :-) 09:53 Every artifact should be viable in some form in endgame 09:53 Some are not right now. That's the problem which needs to be addressed 09:54 almost every artifact is viable or can be crafted into something viable 09:54 Imanity joining the Loggers camp I see 09:54 there are only a few which lag (keolewa) 09:54 and i dont think all need to be equal 09:54 Imanity: let's cross check, since sting can be gifted by your god, do you think it should be viable in some form in the endgame? 09:54 dont take away our elf-kabobs! 09:55 No, because it can be obtained in other ways 09:55 look at it this way: is there any artifact that have no roles that would use them if they found them lying on the floor on dl1? 09:55 other artifacts can only be obtained by wishing have a huge power disparity between them 09:55 *which can 09:55 the only artifacts that can only be obtained by wishing are cross-aligned or quest stuff 09:56 krm26: I don't think so, even vanilla trollsbane or giantslayer would be useful to a DL1 hero 09:56 I'm not talking about making them numerically the same. That would be boring 09:56 i agree aosdict 09:56 heh I found Keolewa but my tourist has no club skill 09:56 Just something useful or fun. Like grimtooth 09:56 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:57 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 09:58 if i could change one artifact-related mechanic, i would gate the availability of artifacts from altar sacrificing to certain dungeon events. i.e. you can get 1 artifact sacced prior to completing the quest. then, 1 more until killing medusa. then, etc. 09:58 that would be my favored approach for stabbing altar camping in the spleen 09:59 then, i would change the artifact wishing screw to only include cross-aligned + quest artifacts; no penalty for wishing for artifacts potentially available from your aligned altar sacrifices 09:59 Thats how dnethack does it, I think 09:59 Or maybe it's artiwishes, cant remember 09:59 so you could be guaranteed 1 cross-aligned/quest artifact per game from a wish 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 2646 points, T:2617, zombified by a drow zombie 10:00 but could wish up every last chaotic non-quest artifact if you are chaotic 10:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2667 points, T:1830, killed by a bugbear 10:06 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) murdered Nicodemus, his faithful giant rat, on T:1113 (0:06:32) 10:11 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 111 points, T:989, killed by a newt 10:20 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:986 (0:09:34) 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 3267 points, T:3394, killed by a champion of The Lady 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1525 (0:14:54) 11:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] Kaizo (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2244 (0:10:03) 11:02 -!- sludgegunkman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02 -!- sludgegunkman has joined #evilhack 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Ixoth, on T:46400 (17:14:19) 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:46408 (17:14:36) 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3440 (0:37:06) 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) refused to give up The Magic Mirror of Merlin to King Arthur, on T:46856 (17:19:38) 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed King Arthur, on T:46856 (17:19:38) 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law), 6038 points, T:4692, killed by a goblin-captain called Othuzog of A-unogruk 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:48608 (17:33:09) 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 93148 points, T:27961, killed by a giant centipede 11:46 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04 k2: i think you should squish the aphrodite level range, when you find her past the quest level she will rarely be even a slight challenge, lose all the fun 12:12 there's some new monsters on her level now 12:12 should make things interesting 12:12 but yeah maybe the range is a bit on the high side 12:14 <@k21971> weeee 12:33 doppelganger! kill it! 12:33 noooo 12:34 I can't tell them apart, they are both posting the type of messages only the real K2 would post! 12:34 * K2 gasps 12:41 aosdict how was your xmas? 12:42 pretty good, though the things I got were largely oral hygiene products so I think someone is trying to tell me something 12:42 hahahah 12:42 'here, have this mint *wink*' 12:43 went to my cousins' place on christmas day, ought to have stayed there overnight instead of coming back home, but I didn't plan for that 12:45 i got a tshirt that on the front says 'MOIST because you know someone who hates that word' 12:45 ... moist 12:45 * K2 shudders 12:45 moist von lipwig 12:46 heh 12:54 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:04 firewall firmware upgrade time, bbl 13:08 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 13:32 \o/ 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1819 (0:09:27) 13:40 @e?giant ant 13:40 giant ant (a) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 3 | Atk: 1d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, oviparous, passes-bars 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Ith Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:3136 (0:19:08) 13:48 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Ith Mal Cha), 4043 points, T:3742, killed by a wand 13:59 sent in the bug report for the 3.7 flashing hpbar feature 13:59 it's not a bug but it's annoying enough to contact the devteam about 14:00 <@hackemslashem> You can specify flashing for conditions like Ill right? 14:01 yes, I have no problems with status hilites allowing the player to configure blinking, however, patr implemeted this "apply blinking when below critical hp" unconditionally and it cannot be turned off 14:02 <@hackemslashem> Ah ok, yes that is unfortunate, hopefully they can patch it soon. 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:969 (0:07:43) 14:06 nethack's answer to the Gen 1-4 critical beeps in Pokemon 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a bone knife entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:50878 (17:59:24) 14:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15 -!- bigchopchop has joined #evilhack 14:15 -!- bigchopchop has quit [Client Quit] 14:15 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Sam Gia Mal Law) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:3428 (0:25:17) 14:30 @hackemslashem heya 14:31 <@hackemslashem> heyaheya 14:31 anything else you need to do with nerfhack updates? 14:31 pull in latest 3.7 bits, etc 14:32 <@hackemslashem> Definitely no 3.7 stuff for a little while, but I just did update some small stuff including the copywrite, so that might be good. 14:32 <@hackemslashem> I'll push it to master now 14:32 You sorted out the display thing then, K2? 14:32 yeah 14:32 i killed the third line i had reserved for motd 14:32 doesnt get used often 14:32 allows one extra line for game listings 14:33 <@hackemslashem> This community has made so many variants lol, so many it burst the menu, pretty impressive 14:34 i'm not adding anymore after this 14:34 <@hackemslashem> Aw, what about nnnnnnnnndnh? 14:35 honestly i didnt wanna add ndnh or nndnh, but i like Demo. and Noisytoot hasnt said fuck all, not even a 'thank you' hah 14:35 maybe i can kill nndnh to make room for something else 14:35 <@hackemslashem> Ok, NerfHack master is up to date, ship it!! 14:35 kk 14:36 a 14:36 Damn it, fingers 14:36 <@hackemslashem> The windows build has some quirks but it is actually working, so it's gonna have to do for now lol 14:36 <@hackemslashem> I'm quite surprised given what I've had to deal with in the past for that 14:37 ok so here in a bit @hackemslashem i'll do the thing 14:37 <@hackemslashem> \o/ K2 you bringing the second xmas for me hehe 14:37 on a brief pause at the moment, waiting for the wife to say its ok to come back into the kitchen to haul stuuf (we're defrosting freezers while it's still 10 degrees out) 14:37 <@hackemslashem> and THANK YOU! 14:38 :P 14:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a Grey-elf), on T:16721 (2:37:54) 14:43 <@hackemslashem> Eventually I was kind of hoping to port the rest of SpliceHack into Nerf, so K2 might be able to free Splice up too. I'm still hoping antigulp might merge in some of her new secret variant that sounds mysterious and interesting. And given a really long time, perhaps the majority of hackem, but don't want to get ahead of myself lol. I've gotten pretty good at converting DES to LUA so that might go faster now. 14:44 it'd be very much it's Own Thing separate from Splice at that point, though 14:44 <@hackemslashem> aosdict is still the king of LUA, "I'm not worthy I'm not worthy"!! 14:44 if most/all of splicehack made it into hackem and/or nerfhack, i'd prob kill splicehack since it's abandoned 14:45 it has several crash bugs, had to recover it a lot before I manually added auto recover code back into it 14:45 <@hackemslashem> I'd still probably stay away from fear mechanics and sonic resistance, I feel like they became a bigger headache than adding fun 14:46 <@hackemslashem> Yea splice is unfortunately very buggy. I ported quite a bit though, maybe over 50%? Hackem probably has more splice in it than nerf though 14:49 <@hackemslashem> I did want to port the dragon master role and have some fun revamping it like the cartomancer... 14:50 i almost added dragon master role/half-dragon race to evilhack. but it was pointed out its not much different from knight 14:51 juice wouldnt be worth the squeeze 14:51 <@hackemslashem> The artifacts/QA are interesting, but not terribly powerful either 14:51 <@hackemslashem> Yea, roles really have to be something different to be worth the effort 14:52 * K2 nods 14:52 that is why the next role k2 adds will be certified public accountant 14:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YUiBBltOg4 14:53 <@hackemslashem> yesss, max charisma, always detects gold, puts fear into Rodney 14:53 lol 14:53 new race: Karen 14:54 <@hackemslashem> quest artifact: The Stapler. "It's MY stapler" 14:54 hardfought was dealing with too-many-variants problems back when the only problem was everyone haring off to be the dev of their own variant. now the problem is people want to be devs of 3-4 variants at once 14:59 <@hackemslashem> I intended hackem to be replaced by nerfhack, but the people wanted to keep it around, so I technically only have 1 active variant 😛 14:59 <@hackemslashem> Or (I got 99 variants, but a problem ain't 1) 15:00 @hackemslashem you will not be a king of Lua until you contribute at least 10 upstream fixes or enhancements to the special level loader 15:01 <@hackemslashem> lol, at this rate I won't even be duke of lua 15:01 I know this information is probably findable somewhere, but I'd like to see overall usage stats by variant like FIQ's bot was collecting at one point 15:01 <@hackemslashem> Although - I was quite proud of myself for figuring out how to specify "cracked" altars lol, but I'm still working on being able to make tiles bloody 15:02 like, I know at least one person plays spork on hdf, but how much playtime does it actively get compared to everything else 15:02 I still have a spork game I oughta finish 15:02 aosdict you can get an idea by viewing the about page on the NHS. shows total games played for each variant on each server 15:02 and then several more so I can properly document it 15:03 I wonder if the endgame is for spork,grunt,splice,slashem etc to be kicked into a basement (second screen off the main page) of unmaintained variants 15:03 not sure if that filters out scummed games or not 15:03 malor question 15:03 yes 15:03 it does filter out scummed games? 15:04 the scoreboard counts scummed games in the "total game count" but doesn't list them in the "recent X games". 15:04 got it 15:04 it'd be nice if there was a page that showed 'total games' for each variant and combined them if they are found on multiple servers 15:05 and then a breakdown (total games / non-scummed games) 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:2357 (0:08:34) 15:06 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 19 platinum shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3060 (0:10:40) 15:07 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 15:07 speaking of kes, just found a vanilla bug she introduced 15:07 <@hackemslashem> oh? 15:08 the vampire ladies in the top of vlad's tower are randomly placed instead of in the niches 15:09 3 line fix 15:09 <@hackemslashem> Weird, I think I fixed that without thinking about it 15:10 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3577 (0:13:14) 15:11 <@hackemslashem> No, I see them in the niches, looks like paxxed'd doing 15:12 <@hackemslashem> paxxed's? 15:12 on a vanilla build from today, they are randomly placed around the level 15:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20246 (3:13:21) 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4586 (0:17:52) 15:15 <@hackemslashem> maybe the niches have the wrong coordinates? 15:15 the bug is that the des.monster is using a table and just plops the coordinate into that table without telling it it's a coordinate 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:4817 (0:19:28) 15:16 so lspo_monster ignores it and puts the V ladies on random spaces 15:17 @hackemslashem are the levels the same as in hackem? 15:18 as in branches and such? 15:18 <@hackemslashem> ah of course 15:18 <@hackemslashem> K2: no - quite different. 15:18 ok 15:19 <@hackemslashem> K2: couple new branches: lost tomb, moloch's temple, head of the lethe, and wizards tower... I think that's it lemme check 15:19 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:19 if you could do me a favor - see https://github.com/NHTangles/beholder/blob/master/beholder.py#L518 15:19 make a PR for nerfhack, add an entry for it 15:19 name for in would be 'nerf' 15:19 below that are roles/races, include that too 15:20 i can update the xlogfile/livelog stuff 15:20 that needs to be updated for xnh, the gehennom overhaul added a bunch of branches 15:20 <@hackemslashem> okie 15:20 aosdict same for you then please 15:20 is the idea the dungeons are the same as their internal representation in the game? 15:21 the ordering thereof I mean 15:21 yeah 15:21 otherwise whereis wont work correctly 15:22 <@hackemslashem> ack, I gotta fork, not git clone that 15:23 I *think* that will be the same as their definition in dungeon.lua 15:24 who is Edoardo Spadolini? 15:24 kerio 15:24 @hackemslashem hold off for a minute, updating beholder right now 15:26 <@hackemslashem> It's ok I can rebase anyway 15:26 the total games thing is already done with some neat additional detail and several other total stats type things and is drill-down-able also. I need to make all these scroeboard changes live soon :) 15:26 don't worry evil is still the best k2 :) 15:28 :) 15:28 @hackemslashem ok i pushed a beholder update 15:29 K2: you want I should update nh370 to account for the tutorial as well? 15:29 <@hackemslashem> Ah, I forgot the tutorial branch - not using it but it should be in there anyway... 15:29 <@hackemslashem> aosdict: jinx! 15:30 buy me ten thousand cokes 15:30 <@hackemslashem> K2: for evilhack it says "The Wizards Tower", should it be "The Wizard's Tower"? 15:31 * Umbire casts a spell! A sudden geyser of soda slams into aosdict from nowhere! 15:31 no, the wizards tower is right next to the pigeons tower 15:31 hah yeah 15:31 grammar fail 15:31 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 19 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:6597 (0:35:07) 15:32 hmm why didnt it report my nerf death 15:32 Umbire: you didn't cast the necessary prep spell for mentos first 15:33 because I want a geyser, not a nuclear explosion 15:35 <@hackemslashem> K2: Nerf branch PR should be up for beholder now 15:35 kk 15:36 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had an alchemy smock entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:6908 (0:39:33) 15:36 https://github.com/NHTangles/beholder/pull/28 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:7087 (0:41:36) 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:7152 (0:42:31) 15:41 merged both your PR's 15:42 <@hackemslashem> ah sh, I missed the roles/races part 15:42 nerf still not live, right K2? Also @hackemslashem -> what is the overall game code for it, like "dnh", "evil", "ndnh", etc. 15:43 malor almost 15:43 @hackemslashem yeah if you can PR the roles/races real quick, that'll help me fix why the death message didnt fire 15:43 <@hackemslashem> kk 15:43 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 15:44 malor to answer your other question - in beholder i have it listed as 'nerf' 15:44 ok, thanks. 15:44 <@hackemslashem> Oh, actually, just vampire and cartomancer - I see those already listed in other variants 15:45 for races 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 15411 points, T:7893, killed by an exploding wand 15:45 what about roles 15:45 <@hackemslashem> vampire race, and cartomancer role, yep I see both, "car" was already in Splice 15:45 <@hackemslashem> Oh, nvm I see the place now 15:46 yeah unless you used something unique for one of your 3-letter codes then I am good on everything else. And I'll just go through hardfought and figure out all the role-race-align combos myself as I have done with every other variant :). Only takes a few minutes. 15:46 @hackemslashem if that's it, dont bother 15:46 also if you did do something unique with the 3-letter codes please change it back :) 15:46 i can add em 15:46 <@hackemslashem> Ah ok, nope they are the same as splice 15:47 <@hackemslashem> "vam" for vampire 15:48 right, i figured. I wasn't even worried about it, but I figured I may as well type the line above for giggles :) 15:48 I'll probably do the whole slew of scoreboard changes tomorrow or something including the new stuff and some "player merging" people have requested. 15:51 <@hackemslashem> Noice, fun way to ring in the new year. I'm gonna be trying for first cartomancer ascension 🙂 15:51 There are several cartomancer ascensions on splice of course. 15:52 Hmm, couple of vanilla questions aosdict 15:52 <@hackemslashem> First NerfHack cartomancer ascension lol 15:52 hm, looks like only Luxi has done it. 15:52 Just to refresh, when a covetous mon picks an up or down stair to flee to, it's only one or the other per monster, right? 15:52 <@hackemslashem> Quite different I assure you 15:52 I knew that, I was just curious based on the context 15:52 <@hackemslashem> Umbire - yes, it's based on the monster unique identifier so it stays consistent 15:53 Cool 15:53 now the other one... how is the lich's cold touch attack partly """ignoring""" cold resistance gonna interact with the whole "monsters won't use damage that the hero resists" thing 15:54 <@hackemslashem> Oh hmm, I think I might know, it could be converted to a physical attack instead. I have dug around that section a little 15:54 <@shadow_rider> haha i tried cartomancer in splice but it was extremely not working properly 15:54 <@shadow_rider> excited to try in nerfhack! 15:54 @hackemslashem can play nerfhack on hdf-us, will get to the other2 servers soon 15:55 I don't think monsters with elemental melee attacks do anything different if they see the hero resists it 15:55 <@hackemslashem> It's pretty wild, definitely a unique experience lol 15:57 <@hackemslashem> mhitu.c: /* liches have a touch attack for cold damage and also a spell attack; 15:57 <@hackemslashem> they won't use the spell for monster vs monster so become impotent 15:57 <@hackemslashem> against cold resistant foes; change the touch damage from cold to 15:57 <@hackemslashem> physical if target will resist */ 15:58 <@hackemslashem> (hmm, I should probably update something there I did enable mhitm for spells ) 15:58 And let's say, Asmo, starts using his cone of cold attack again if he sees you don't resist cold 15:58 that is ONLY for *cold* touch attacks it looks like 15:58 <@hackemslashem> K2: woot! I guess since I'm in the US I'll jump in lol 15:58 right? 15:59 <@shadow_rider> ermagersh theres so much new stuff 15:59 Like, you lose it during the fight to a gremlin, get a ring stolen, fuckin uhhhh 15:59 i.e. if someone adds a fire touch attack, the monster will continue using it because an exception hasn't been implemented 15:59 <@shadow_rider> me likey 15:59 get Frost Brand yanked out of your hands? 15:59 <@hackemslashem> Lol don't spoil yourself shadow just jump in the fire 15:59 <@hackemslashem> Dooo eeet 15:59 hey shadow rider is back, cool. 16:00 <@shadow_rider> haha alright unspoiled runs then 16:00 <@shadow_rider> hey malor 16:00 Also also, uhhhh 16:00 RIGHT aosdict (or hackemslashem) 16:00 where in the code exactly does it name the ray type spells that monsters like Asmo use 16:00 <@hackemslashem> Isn't it in the monsters.h def? 16:01 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/mcastu.c#L854-L861 like I see this code block but I'm wondering where the name itself comes from 16:01 ah well that would do it wouldn't it 16:01 yep, -ad_to_typ 16:01 <@hackemslashem> The mcastu code will sort it out, it's a weird but fairly straightforward tree the spellcasting follows 16:01 alright thanks 16:02 last thing, what's up with the incongruence of sorts where his ray cone of cold'll break potions but melee version seemingly doesn't? 16:02 <@hackemslashem> Oh you are in 3.6, monst.c then 16:02 yeah I'm updating Asmo's article like I wanted to yesterday 16:04 <@hackemslashem> K2: Is there a settings file for nerfhack? 16:04 a default one is made yes 16:04 i havent set up the menu yet to copy over a cfg from something to it yet 16:04 <@hackemslashem> Ah ok, I am not able to access it from the editor menu yet 16:05 working on that now 16:05 <@hackemslashem> o7 16:08 also making articles for the ray monster spells 16:11 <@Loggers_XI> ahhh nerfhack is out!!! 16:11 hey logs 16:11 <@hackemslashem> Weird, discord hid loggers message as spam 16:11 @hackemslashem what if the ray type spell didn't specify any damage dice size or number? 16:11 to assist in proliferating variants, I am going to create a fork of nerfhack named fernhack 16:12 Umbire: how would one avoid specifying damage dice 16:12 not use the ATTK macro? 16:12 and why would anyone do that 16:12