01:28 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 01:47 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:04 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 02:46 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 02:51 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:07 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8423 03:07 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:11 -!- Guest8423 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:11 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:17 yeah i planned that as a high score run since monks are the ezist, but i lamed out on my plan to kill all the demon bosses because of how difficult it is to bootstrap the lawful demons 06:17 krm26: Message from mobileuser at 2024-09-22 23:33 EDT: another day, another krm26 ascension. congrats! 06:18 will try to plan better next time 06:18 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:18 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:19 it looks like you learned a lot about the demon/devil summoning chains 06:21 gg 06:21 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:21 i wish that info was in the wiki :-) but k2 said he was actually gonna think about it a little bit, because of how voids can be introduced in the summoning scheme by killing the right stuff, cutting it off at the kneess 06:25 my big personal achievement was it is the first thing ive managed to not accidentally whack something with a pickaxe as a monk 06:26 the big disappointment is that was yet another 2 streak for me, which ive never gotten beyond, so now i feel constrained to make a shitty attempt at ascending my next game... so no convicts or infidels 06:26 guess it should really be monk, probably monk is the easiest to chain a whole bunch of ascensions with 06:26 my least favorite role to ascend :-( 06:26 ooh mobileuser! are we having a streak-off? (you will win :-) 06:27 yours is already more impressive, im kni/mon and you are arc/cav 06:28 heh, both on a 2-streak, nice 06:28 what are you running now? 06:28 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 06:28 I am trying to ascend a hack'em flame mage at the moment 06:29 haven't decided my next evilhack role/race yet 06:31 I did a hackem draugr convict earlier, would like to do that for evilhack too, but the fix for inhaling fumes isn't live yet which sort of makes it less fun 06:32 i did a draugr convict a few weeks ago, great combo 06:33 yeah the hackem one was fun too 06:33 maybe I'll do a non-draugr knight 06:34 dro-dwa-elf-orc still to ascend 06:34 youve done dra kni already? that sounds like a sick combo 06:35 no, but I'm waiting with more draugr until the fix is live 06:35 which could be a long wait 06:36 been so long since i ran a priest maybe i should do another, i love priests 06:36 but it doesn't contribute much to my zscore any more :-) 06:36 and since MY metagame is taking green boxes away from mobileuser on the zscore page... 06:36 heh 06:37 there are soooo many priest combos! 06:37 just one more bar/rog/val for that...but none of those are in my top 5 fun roles -- i like rogue the most, and im too lazy to guarantee a rogue ascension 06:38 there are not enough sammies, I've done all the sammies 06:46 i was thinking about a tournament role: all skills uncapped, no intrinsics or special abilities, blessed amnesia has no effect, skill choices are never refunded, no quest or quest artifact, uncursed bell with vecna 06:46 the path you take would be heavily influenced by what the top levels looked like 06:47 do you only ever run new combos, mobileuser? 06:47 that's my new metagame, trying to ascend all possible combinations 06:48 i like first ascensions :-) but didn't even find out about them until they were mostly gone 06:49 drood soon! but competition will be fierce 06:50 i mean, IM definitely not starting with whatever race YOU are 06:50 and vice versa! you are a lot faster 06:50 if you don't try for high score :-P 06:51 gotta try to do something :-) 06:51 and im not really a fan of conducts (because i forget what im doing) 06:54 xdminsy set a high bar for that 06:55 but I'm still the only one with notabusealign conduct =D 07:14 hi 07:14 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 07:15 krm26 I've been working on edits to your initial druid quest text 07:15 the vast majority of it is formatting edits 07:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2177 (0:28:24) 07:16 like, I forgot to add M2_PNAME to Elanee, so in the text she kept showing as 'the Elanee' 07:17 ab K2 07:17 and then %o denates the full name of a quest artifact. druid quest artifact is the 'Bracers of the First Circle' which is long, so had to move things around 07:17 hi 07:17 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 07:17 *denotes 07:17 krm26 I have one question about a passage that I'm a bit confused about 07:18 %Cc Dru 00035 07:18 You don't know how to process %i. It is an alien and 07:18 disturbing presence in the forest. You are sure the path to 07:18 %n lies through this fearsome place. 07:18 %i is Baba Yaga's Hut, %n is Baba Yaga 07:19 I think %n was %i also originally 07:19 Yeah, that is the first impression of the mid level, named Baba Yaga's Hut. Assumed it was grody and made of bones 07:19 So %i was intentional 07:19 gotcha 07:19 but if it confuses you, it should def be changed :-) 07:19 did i name mid level 'Baba Yaga's hut' ? 07:20 that is what I saw in the data file 07:20 or you could make chicken-legged hut a mount that she rides :-) 07:20 although riding her flying cauldron would be good too 07:21 cauldron would be easier 07:33 i wonder if you could do a special check for her, where you had to kill her cauldron before you could damage her 07:33 opposite normal mount stuff 07:34 like the cauldron would be a reflecting mr golem like thing, but then once through it you could light baba yaga up 07:35 or another tack, cauldrons could be a new environmental object like altars, and baba yaga could continually teleport you into a boiling cauldron and bop away to wait for you to cook :-) heheh 07:36 are druids gonna get elemental resistance spells? 07:43 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 07:46 havent decided on all the druid spells yet 07:48 would be kinda neat for them to have elemental/poison resist/immunity spells like the actual class, allowing them to be veggie/vegan without gaining intrinsics 07:49 hadnt looked at their spells in forever, was paging through online 5e spell list while writing up the druidtext 07:50 That's more or less what the monk role does in SLASH'EM 07:51 they rely on techs and spells for elemental resistances 08:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3740 (1:14:10) 08:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:830 (0:04:18) 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1473 points, T:2946, killed by a bolt of cold 08:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) stole 40 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kabalebo's general store, on T:6104 (1:44:15) 08:32 oops. i am so so lawful 08:34 heh 08:35 so that sucked, my dog carried some boots into the doorway. i was one step inside--where you can pick up crap safely. i looted the boots from the dog, walked out, and was accused of theft 08:36 i will show up for that court case stupid shopkeeper 08:43 yeah I always move just outside the shop 09:01 krm26 so this happened - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L7 09:08 ^ right? 09:32 krm26 this is what I did with the text that was confusing me a bit :) 09:32 You see Baba Yaga's Hut off in the distance. It is an alien 09:32 and disturbing presence in the forest. You are sure 09:32 the path to Baba Yaga lies through this fearsome place. 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 13279 points, T:9787, killed by a Green-elf 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 435259 points, T:28073, killed by Yeenoghu 09:59 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/9b579ba5492f...7da177e70952 09:59 [EvilHack] k21971 7da177e - Finish up Druid quest text, fix formatting. 10:07 K2, Evil merges saber/scimitar skills right? 10:08 yes 10:08 you can easily find that be searching the evilhack github repo 10:08 *by 10:11 apologies, just asking while I take care of not-Evil stuff 10:26 K2: what do you think is the evillest thing in evilhack? 10:27 the upcoming lack of grease 10:27 :P 10:28 <@bigishkanani> poison instadeath 10:29 nope. that goes away once you reach 35% poison res 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3010 (0:29:42) 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "sss", on T:3593 (0:32:55) 10:32 i'm not sure what the single most 'evil' thing in evilhack is. 10:32 <@bigishkanani> yeah but it takes a while to get there :p 10:33 <@bigishkanani> if you’re playing pacifist it’s goblin king 10:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:33279 (23:49:52) 10:35 <@bigishkanani> yani: somewhere in gtown there’s a chest or box with some shitty elven gear in it, the idea being that the goblins confiscated it from the elven prisoners 10:35 there is, but its in gollum's cave 10:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3788 (0:36:31) 10:38 <@bigishkanani> I was sort of hoping you had forgotten about that lol 10:38 <@bigishkanani> that’s so hard to get to for most people :(( I want to give the elven prisoners weapons to help them when we fight goblin king 10:38 <@bigishkanani> they will have to settle for orcish daggers I guess 10:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:39 :) 10:39 oooh ssshhh Loggers_VIIIjust joined 10:39 hi! 10:39 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 10:40 i know all!!! I see all!!! 10:40 lol 10:40 you are 'The Big Giant Head' from 3rd rock from the sun 10:40 bigishkanani is my alt on discord that I have forgotten to switch back from approximately 10 billion times 10:40 ah 10:40 deceiver! 10:41 I am a man of many names :P 10:41 heh 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:33372 (23:57:07) 10:41 oi logs 10:42 hello umbire 10:42 just split the fire/frost brand articles 10:42 I have been thinking about the golem strategy page for like the last 2 days and have come up with nothing somehow 10:42 it's like... just have good AC and run away if you don't yo 10:43 did you know that golems have speed that varies based on their material? I didn't 10:43 eyup 10:44 we can probably do without, they're all distinct enough monsters that it wouldn't really track 10:44 I was struggling with that too, they all require very slightly different approaches 10:44 iron and clay golems have insane damage for vanilla 10:45 I kind of fw really slow guys that have one really hard hitting attack 10:50 same 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a winter wolf, on T:7487 (1:37:38) 10:50 apropos of nothing I miss shadowrider :c 10:51 he said he'd tnnt 10:51 but yeah he's been quite busy it seems 10:51 occasionally pops into #dcss on the roguelike discord 10:52 also apropos of nothing, evilhack should add grass 10:53 its oin the to do 10:56 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 10:57 oh nice 10:57 apropos apropos apropos. what a nice word 11:13 à propos! 11:14 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:51547 (12:10:39) 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4117 (0:22:39) 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:4619 (0:25:40) 11:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 8760 points, T:8887, killed by an owlbear 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:52123 (12:26:57) 11:38 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) stole 60 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Sipaliwini's general store, on T:7848 (0:43:09) 11:39 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6426 points, T:7851, killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 11:40 -!- ginebig has joined #evilhack 11:41 -!- ginebig has quit [Changing host] 11:41 -!- ginebig has joined #evilhack 11:41 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ginebig!~ginebig@user/meow/Loggers-VIII:19959))] 11:41 -!- ginebig is now known as Loggers_VIII 11:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:10 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:10314 (2:35:11) 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 30696 points, T:11193, burned by molten lava, while helpless 12:39 coolio, that's everything Brand-related done for vanilla, variant stuff's filled out as well 12:40 neat 12:42 prep for work on knight sword forms, evil subpage for monks... 12:47 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:51 legal demon gating tree Umbire! 12:52 that's a bit further down the list :B 12:53 it's pretty simple no? guys of one alignment can give you guys of their alignment 12:53 more likely if the guy is a lord/prince 12:53 yeah but I'm already locked into mode for the stuff I just mentioned 12:53 can't split my focus now! 12:54 heh fair fair 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:7501 (1:23:27) 13:03 except alignment info in wiki not accurate (at least not for evilhack) and a single-page reference would be great for detecting when parts of the gate tree are totally cut off 13:04 ice devil alignment is wrong 13:04 they are chaotic, wiki has them as lawful i think 13:04 ^ vanilla 13:07 the wiki doesn't mention them as lawful 13:08 not where I'm seeing anyway 13:08 you might be mixing them up with horned/barbed ones 13:08 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Major_demon 13:09 that has them under chaotic 13:09 huh, you are right 13:09 ice + bone 13:09 well this is awkward 13:09 we must have had enough k-group hallucination 13:10 k2: "You see a ring shining in its midst." -- dont like that sink message when you get wooden ring, clay ring, etc 13:11 that's vanilla behavior 13:11 saw this on the wiki - While barbed devils are flagged to appear only in Gehennom, no lawful monsters can be randomly generated there - they share this trait with horned devils and erinyes. 13:11 in the midst of the gunk that oozed up alongside it 13:11 and yeah that's true 13:11 this makes me sad 13:12 they can be gen'd at level creation and gated like others 13:12 but randomly, no go 13:12 which is sad for the huge number of lawful demon royalty 13:12 it is sad. many demons are only seen a couple times 13:12 kinda makes me want to change all demons regardless of stature to chaotic 13:12 they got their fancy new fire spell and are not often able to use it :( 13:13 k2, i think that would be wonderful 13:13 the demon/devil alignment separation is an adnd alignment square thing, but nethack is an odnd alignment triangle 13:13 yeah I get that some of them are lawful cuz of dnd but it doesn't make sense in nethack because nethack only has lawful, neutral and chaotic and not good, neutral and evil 13:14 well 13:14 that's mostly true 13:14 unaligned is considered evil in nethack 13:14 make them all unaligned! 13:14 moloch the whole lot of em 13:14 lawful/neutral/chaotic usually implies (good) at the end of them, although in some cases for chaotic that's not correct 13:14 ah, true. but it can't be applied to a monster in tandem with another alignment like in dnd 13:15 unless you're dnh 13:15 isn't only the wizard unaligned in vanilla? 13:15 (I think) 13:15 and yeah only he's unaligned 13:15 making all the demons unaligned... hmm 13:15 was about to say that'd screw up msummon routine 13:15 but not if they were all unaligned 13:16 I think that would make you get a billion alignment from killing them also 13:16 not that it matters 13:16 although that also makes sense loggers 13:16 it's like a lot 13:17 there are a handful of monsters that are unaligned in evilhack 13:17 infidel player mons and such 13:17 oh nevermind it's only +20 who gives a fuck 13:17 rodney, kathryn the ice queen, infidel/demon (placeholder template for player), cultists, the archbishop of moloch 13:17 alignment doesn't even matter past like the first 10 minutes 13:18 it can 13:18 aside from the conduct it can 13:18 well, large gains in alignment don't anyway 13:18 but not very much 13:18 moreso than vanilal for sure 13:18 there's always the risk of the QL asking for the thing back 13:18 *vanilla 13:19 idk vanilla has uberstrong Erinyes if you abuse your alignment a lot 13:20 like they're stronger than most of the demon bosses lol 13:20 gonna try something 13:20 going to change all demons align to be A_NONE 13:20 unaligned 13:20 evil 13:21 E-VEEL 13:21 this truly was our evil hack 13:23 this will screw up demon bribing 13:23 not that was ever a thing in evilhack anyways 13:23 Doesn't Asmo still bribe if he shows up 13:23 or Baalzebub 13:24 i dont know 100% for sure 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:6083 (2:00:00) 13:33 demon summoning works fine 13:34 vrock summong enryis (sp), which summoned a bunch of other types, lolth appeared, i'm seeing crocks, horned devils, brabed devils, etc 13:34 crocks hah 13:34 vrocks 13:34 succubi 13:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:45 barbed devil just appeared in gehennom randomly 13:45 what does being unaligned mean for aligned branches actually 13:45 forgot to ask 13:45 minion of appearing after converting a chaotic altar still behaves 13:46 player being unaligned or monsters? 13:47 and some spellcasters summon demon minions, does that still work? 13:47 should 13:47 different alignment now... 13:47 Monsters 13:53 mobileuser, chaotic/unaligned pick from the same pool of monsters 13:53 rodney is unaligned 13:55 same in vanilla 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:57355 (14:17:50) 14:03 ah I see 14:06 can demons wield anything other than unaligned artifacts now? 14:07 lemme see 14:09 hmm 14:13 food time... 14:21 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2303 (0:13:32) 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2869 (0:17:14) 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 18 mithril shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3358 (0:21:49) 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3789 (0:24:02) 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6176 points, T:6149, killed by an orc shaman 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7368 points, T:4477, quit 15:17 i think I have demons and chaotic artifacts handled 15:18 i say demons because right now that's what I am focusing on 15:18 may let this bake in my brain for a bit 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 760 points, T:1290, killed by a rock gnome 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3645 (0:28:12) 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:7458 (2:14:45) 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:14, zapped herself with a wand of lightning 15:41 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 474 points, T:410, killed by a large spider 15:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:8201 (2:24:53) 15:50 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 451 points, T:1993, killed by a baby owlbear 15:50 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:14, zapped herself with a spell 15:50 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:2, zapped herself with a spell 15:51 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:59 are demons weldproof? 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:9391 (2:37:13) 16:02 no 16:03 if you mean regular NPC ones 16:03 demons as in major demons yeah 16:06 no they arent 16:09 i mean, not if you are plasma arc welding. resistance welding or mig welding doesnt work tho 16:10 was just wondering since I noticed that Geryon spawns with a cursed battle axe 16:12 apparently dispater has never had the evilhack details noted on his 'variants' section on the wiki. I swear I did that 16:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a pair of copper tekko entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:8480 (2:24:07) 16:12 suppose it was a hallucination 16:13 you're probably thinking of a diff. demon ruler 16:13 I remember noting down the details about his rod I swear 16:13 rod as in the weapon!! 16:13 :) 16:14 for a moment I thought you said that Dispater had edited his own section 16:15 hahahaha 16:15 dispater is supposed to be a clever guy I think. it makes sense 16:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:10522 (2:52:18) 16:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:28 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 16:30 man i hate corpse rooms 16:31 later on in the dungeon, there should be a chance for an insanely kitted out player monster with low current health to be in there 16:31 the idea being that this badass guy killed everyone else but almost died in the process 16:31 i just had a level which was a corpse room, a statue room, and a boulder room, all huge and all utterly useless 16:32 why isn't there a huge ring store instead 16:32 or a royal jelly bottling plant 16:32 lol yeah a lot of them are just flavor 16:33 vomit flavor 16:34 im just aggravated because i have a cursed magic lamp and i keep getting corpse rooms instead of a fountain 16:34 maybe you'll get a fountain room 16:34 that's a myth 16:36 there's a dungeon out there where every room is fountain room 16:36 and every fountain gives a wish 16:37 that explains mobileuser's ascension rate! 16:38 lmao 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:12868 (3:19:24) 16:44 HAX 16:44 :P 16:44 smoky full healing, doh, hate that 16:49 oh come on, like one corpse room every level is too too crap even for me 16:51 don't worry, if you get one smoky wish they never appear again :p 16:52 seriously? that is a GREAT change, when did that happen? 16:55 sorry for getting your hopes up it was a joke about how I never get more than one no matter how many potions I drink 16:55 oh doh 16:56 i think that would be a good change tho, along with distributing the castle wishes throughout the dungeon (and no longer having the random 0:1 to 0:3, having a uniform 4 wishes or whatever each time) 16:56 so you could get n from the distributed wishes, 1 from smoky, then the occasional fountain wish 16:57 maybe with a 1 cap on throne and fountains too 17:04 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 17:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:08 -!- malor_ has joined #evilhack 17:09 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:12 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 23459 points, T:7616, killed himself by breaking a wand 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Dwa Fem Law) had a wooden scimitar entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:15957 (4:10:51) 17:35 if you were a druid you'd be doing the happy dance right now 17:37 there should be a wood conduct for druids -- only wear and wield wooden equipment :-) 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:1710 (0:17:02) 17:54 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/7da177e70952...de169194ad43 17:54 [EvilHack] k21971 de16919 - All demons/devils are now unaligned (evil). 18:01 man the service around here is excellent! 18:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 286946 points, T:47437, quit 18:03 !lastgame 18:03 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Monk/evilhack/dumplog/1712104043.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dedal/evilhack/dumplog/1726841870.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1726966072.evil.html 18:04 hah 18:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a steel axe entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3035 (0:34:02) 18:04 so Monk plays Priest, interesting 18:05 you see his last comment in the dump? "i fucking hate this game..... PETS ABSOLUTELY SUCVK!@!!!!!" 18:05 yeah. that's why I went 'hah' 18:05 guess Ungoliant bit it 18:05 they had a JarlEarl moment 18:06 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3166 18:06 ^ lest we forget 18:06 maybe Monk is JarlEarl 18:06 someones gotta fill the graveyard 18:07 i wish these guys hopped on here to vent 18:07 most terminal frustration seems to stem from correctable technique issues 18:07 maybe they don't realize pets are actually better in evilhack vs vanilla. types of epts, inventory management, etc 18:08 although sometimes it is bad expectations -- "i should be able to ascend every run if i do the right thing" 18:08 and them helping you out 18:08 ah well 18:08 they could have at least died and maybe left interesting bones 18:08 heh 18:08 but if they ragequit you dont get any future bones, which is a screw 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3388 (0:38:36) 18:08 Monk if you ever see this - come chat with us 18:09 i feel like throwing a party every time i get a bones from a user whose name i havent seen before 18:09 <@bigishkanani> Monk has been here I think 18:09 <@bigishkanani> pretty sure it’s that guy who has a bunch of accounts for different roles. I forget his name 18:09 greedy people like me dont want more players who ascend a lot, we want more players who always flame out gloriously in the midgame :-) 18:10 so he plays priest on monk, monk on ranger, ranger on convict? 18:11 no idea 18:12 oh hey that was an older game. 0.8.3 18:12 i mean pets were still better then 18:12 but they're even better now 18:13 damn i wanna stay outside. smoking some chicken breasts, using cherry wood this go around 18:13 sooooooo goooood 18:16 ah i know who Monk is 18:18 i wont give away who it is, if they wanna ID themselves, they can. they've chatted in here before 18:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a helmet entrusted to her by Odin, on T:4066 (0:49:46) 18:21 it is tony shaloub isnt it 18:21 heheh 18:21 no 18:21 no guessing 18:23 hmmm...keep Woof a giant centipede or keep whistling? 18:24 oh yeah keep h that one 18:24 giant centipedes are strong and fast 18:25 means an umber hulk is gonna kill me now :-) 18:32 aww cant put barding on giant centipede 18:33 and yet i think that canonically there are monsters that tame and mount giant centipedes in dnd 18:36 <@loggers_viii> barded giant centipede seems reasonable, they're big as hell 18:36 <@loggers_viii> suppose it's more of an issue with the anatomy 18:38 now i gotta work on these druid quest maps 18:39 getting the text hashed out, huge 18:39 YUGE 18:39 <3 krm26 18:39 when i see bloviating that needs to be done, im on it 18:39 heh 18:48 just pulled the chicken, it's resting 18:48 will taste test here in a few min 18:50 test it on the dogs to make sure it isnt chicatrice 18:50 at least, thats what my dogs insist on 18:52 :) 18:52 i tried to brush ozzy's teeth today 18:52 wasnt a total failure, but... 18:53 i think success depends on this being a 2 person job 18:54 my current dogs, gotta dope em with trazodone to do their teeth 19:01 chicken came out alright. it's super juicy and perfect temp. BUT, I think i salted it too much during prep 19:01 i'll eat it, dunno if my wife/kid will 19:02 apple wood > cherry wood for smoking imo 19:02 i used cherry this time 19:09 -!- Monk has joined #evilhack 19:10 -!- Monk is now known as Guest5412 19:11 if pets are better in Evil, then tell me why I can regularly get the starting vanilla cat/dog/horse into gehennom? 19:11 a few occassions I got the starting dog/cat to the Planes 19:11 all succumbed to water plane, though 19:11 hi monk 19:12 evilhack is harder than vanilla nethack, that's why. monsters can be more dangerous 19:12 the biggest piece though, is how you manage your pets 19:12 the tactics and strategies you use in nethack may not always work in evilhack 19:13 i've stated that bit since the beginning 19:13 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/README.md 19:15 one cannot manage the polymorph wand 19:15 or insistence of pets attacking zombies 19:15 so many time i level up pets, get them all of their resists and 100 - 200 turns they are polymorphed 19:16 that can happen just as easily in vanilla nethack 19:16 getting poly'd 19:16 monster use them as attack wands now, too? 19:16 I've never encountered that 19:17 i get it you're upset loosing your pet, but it's not the games fault. or the pets 19:17 if you are referring to traps — thjat is manageable 19:17 yes monsters will use poly wands against the player 19:17 not even sure what polymorphed it 19:17 spents hours and hours getting a spider up to level 22 19:18 all its resists 19:18 and polymporhed 19:18 just dumb luck it stepping on a poly trap. it happens 19:18 you can get more pets 19:18 probablt thje damned genetic engineer 19:18 but, there was no engineer on the level nor a shapeschnagers. 19:18 yeah that's a thing too 19:18 was ina hallways 19:18 was in a hallway 19:18 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 19:19 heya qt 19:19 hey 19:19 Hello qt, Welcome to #evilhack 19:19 thanks Hecubus 19:19 you too 19:19 * K2 pets Hecubus 19:27 spdiers are considered a steed for drow, if keeping a pet alive is important, it's worth looking into forging Ithilmar 19:27 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Forged_artifacts 19:27 nooo it's the only forged artifact without its own page 19:27 :( 19:28 near impossible to make without a bunch of screwing around 19:28 <@loggers_viii> pets are almost impossible to keep alive early if you get a lot of zombies 19:28 and the conundrum of reflection versus spiked is a tough nut to crack sometimes. 19:28 <@loggers_viii> it’s not even really a skill thing, sometimes you just lose your pet because of a zombie 19:28 if they are not huge, they may get swallowed 19:29 oh, I know, zombies are the biggest 19:29 <@loggers_viii> I had an archon pet in vanilla step on a magic trap and get turned into an ogre lord lol 19:29 Ithilmar gives reflection, MR and is spiky 19:29 and yet there are several monsters pets will not attack because they will harm them 19:29 <@loggers_viii> they have MR in evil though 19:30 loggers, archons have the same amount of monster MR in evil vs vanilla 19:30 and would be good if ti could actually be made 19:30 <@loggers_viii> no I mean they have intrinsic magic resistance, not the point-based MR 19:30 they gain more MR as they level 19:30 which it can 19:30 archons do not have intrinsic MR 19:30 you need vorpal and I forget the other thing 19:30 once they are level 28 they are near 100, or are 100 19:30 <@loggers_viii> don’t they? 19:30 @e?Archon 19:30 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 19:30 <@loggers_viii> @e?archon 19:30 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 19:30 <@loggers_viii> yeah they do 19:31 and the goblin king is not the biggest blocker for pacifist, it is zombies, period 19:31 sorry my bad, they do 19:32 all starting pets will easily dispose of the goblin king 19:32 got them confused with something else 19:32 <@loggers_viii> does disease res show on pinobot? 19:32 Only if it's on a per monster basis, I'd think 19:32 FYI, you want your pets to attack zombies. the whole point of a pet is to protect you. if they are attacking zombies, they are doing their job 19:33 <@loggers_viii> no comprende 19:33 <@loggers_viii> (re: per monster basis) 19:33 pinobot doesnt show poison res 19:33 err sick res 19:34 as in the monster specifically has to have it 19:35 rather than it being given "externally" or w/e 19:35 @e?violet fungus 19:35 violet fungus (F) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 1 | Res: poison | Confer: poison | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 7 | Atk: 1d4 touch physical, 0d0 touch sticky | Align: 0 | genocidable, breathless, mindless, vegan 19:35 e.g. all F have sick res but it doesn't show on pino here since it's monclass based 19:36 <@loggers_viii> seems weird. why it just not shows 19:36 <@loggers_viii> why does it not just show I mean 19:36 <@loggers_viii> probably some silly technically reason 19:37 I just explained 19:37 it only shows if the monster has the actual flag for the property 19:38 though that doesn't really explain the archon's case per se 19:39 probably just that how sick res is handled isn't in the scope of shit what pino checks for 19:41 Umbire you need grayswandir for purity gauntlets, which is a major roadblock for a lot of characters.  on top of that you need to lose Dragonbane 19:41 i, myself, rarely play lawful 19:41 and helm of opposite alignment is just something I do not mess with 19:42 i'd have to ask adeon to make a special case for evilhack and monsters sick res 19:42 back in a bit, food time 19:51 and getting 2 artifact wishes is a lot harder if the gods are not kind with gifting dragonbane,  so so many walls to create something as trivial as pet armor 19:51 and wand of polymorph in vanilla, not seeing anything about monsters using them? 19:52 they use it on themselves. 19:52 been playing 3.7.x and have never encountered it 19:59 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:01 -!- Guest5412 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:13 damn, i missed him! was gonna dump my own pet brief on him 20:20 That was Evil-specific, was gonna say 20:22 even when you really want to preserve pets and genocide everything that can hurt them, you still have to worry about poly, touch of death, withering, and hellfire 20:23 ithilmar is a pipe dream :-) it should have an easier to make identical cousin that doesnt permit riding, to still make life hard for knights 20:34 monsters using poly wand offensively is an evilhack thing, not regular nethack 20:41 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:950 (0:05:02) 21:14 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9910 points, T:5177, killed by Ms. Bayburt; the shopkeeper 21:39 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 21:45 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 534 points, T:2546, killed by a goblin shaman 22:52 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2731 (0:17:16) 22:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 48 points, T:265, killed by a sewer rat 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3331 (0:21:18) 23:06 <@loggers_viii> ithilmar is really ridiculously hard to get for nearly everyone 23:06 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a silver oval amulet on an altar, on T:4221 (0:31:28) 23:06 <@loggers_viii> I adore it as a concept, I just wish it was a little more accessible 23:10 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a sea dragon, on T:4410 (0:36:07) 23:15 [hdf-au] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 395 points, T:1784, killed by a giant bat 23:17 [hdf-au] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 7 points, T:25, killed by an orcish dagger 23:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 23:30 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:5878 (0:55:41) 23:33 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6104 (0:58:13) 23:37 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 14 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:6555 (1:03:02)