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00:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:870 (0:03:23)
00:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1721 (0:09:34)
01:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (piranha), on T:1809 (0:10:26)
01:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] BobhamTook (Rog Hob Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:20311 (6:37:45)
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01:09 <BobhamTook> just got a bit proud about not abusing alignment.  turn 20000.  gonna keep this a clean game
01:09 <BobhamTook> turn corner 10 steps later.
01:09 <BobhamTook> umber hulk confuses me
01:09 <BobhamTook> confused-attacked a peaceful horse
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01:32 <BobhamTook> Umbire: pets do eat certain fungi that has detrimental effects.   violet fungus, they do.  black and gray as well
01:33 <BobhamTook> may be if there very hungry or near starvation?
01:33 <BobhamTook> ^they're
01:33 <Umbire> But evidently not yellow, at least that I could tell
01:33 <Umbire> hunger seems obvious to test for in retrospect but yeah
01:33 <Umbire> tabling it for later
01:33 <BobhamTook> not remembering anything about yellow specically
01:34 <BobhamTook> ^specifically   ha
01:34 <BobhamTook> OK, was not sure if you gathering data for wiki
01:35 <BobhamTook> (and detrimental food in general)
01:36 <Umbire> I'm almost always working on wiki stuff, so
01:36 <Umbire> Yellow molds are poisonous and cause hallucination
01:37 <BobhamTook> are not violet fungi poison and cause hallucination?
01:38 <BobhamTook> or just hallucinogenic?
01:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 3855 points, T:4060, killed by a wand
01:38 <Umbire> Just hallucinogenic
01:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:289 (0:01:02)
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02:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:569 (0:02:45)
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02:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) destroyed Koeranen's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:2577 (0:14:28)
02:48 <Umbire> Just did up the violet fungus article on that note
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03:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4386 (0:33:44)
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03:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (locusts), on T:4333 (0:25:45)
03:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Fem Law), 8829 points, T:6928, killed by a rothe
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03:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:5, killed by a falling rock
03:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased stone +5 helm of brilliance", on T:5 (0:00:38)
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05:43 <mobileuser> K2 some feedback on the group + caster changes: it looks like this is making the caveman quest quite a slog. One hill giant shaman after another is getting created with the usual groups of hill giants
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06:08 <krm26> yeah, to be fair, need to add ogre magi so the barbarian quest is equally awful :-)
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06:47 <mobileuser> troll shamans!
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07:11 <mobileuser> weird, I was vulnerable to acid (see: hill giant shamans), but an ochre jelly did no acid damage to me
07:12 <mobileuser> maybe that code assumes that acid res is always all or nothing?
07:15 <hackemslashem> Yea I think I remember seeing some <50 or >50 checks that would do that
07:17 <K2> HAX
07:18 <K2> i need to stop fucking around and get druid done
07:20 <hackemslashem> Stop those silly chores and get your druid done! Then you can eat your pudding.
07:20 <K2> but... I'm house dad (in batman voice)
07:21 <hackemslashem> I thought druid was done, I saw some big commits roll out not too long ago me thought
07:22 <K2> initial commits
07:22 <K2> one of the major bits i need to do is make the quest
07:22 <K2> its a subconcious road block
07:22 <hackemslashem> ah, I will lmao if you use chatgpt for those quest bits
07:23 <K2> doing the quest text, maing the levels... ugh
07:23 <K2> hah chatgpt
07:23 <K2> tempting but no
07:23 <hackemslashem> But would anyone be able to tell is the question lol
07:25 <K2> possibly :)
07:25 <K2> *making
07:27 <hackemslashem> A lot of stuff generated sounds pretty wordy so I think so, but I wouldn't judge for using it to brainstorm stuff
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08:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Tal'Gath, on T:71247 (1 day, 2:14:03)
08:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (beholders), on T:71286 (1 day, 2:15:31)
08:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:71655 (1 day, 2:24:56)
08:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:18637 (6:02:29)
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08:34 <dbanethacker> Hello all.  I just witnessed a funny YASD that I thought I should share with everyone.
08:35 <dbanethacker> I'm on the Lord Surtur level of the Quest with my Valkyrie.  I'm 2 squares next to the castle that he's in.  He sees me and teleports to the entry square of the castle, where there's a wall on each side of him.
08:35 <dbanethacker> He shoots me with a wand of striking and it blows up the drawbridge!
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08:36 <krm26> you mean he triggered his remote detonator to blow up the bridge lure mine
08:37 <dbanethacker> It says:  "The drawbridge collapses into the lava!  The iron chain misses Lord Surtur.  Lord Surtur is blown apart by the flying debris.  Lord Surtur is killed!  Boing!"
08:37 <dbanethacker> Yes, he triggered it !!
08:37 <dbanethacker> by shooting the / of striking
08:37 <dbanethacker> Never seen it happen - what fun !!
08:37 <hackemslashem> nice!
08:38 <dbanethacker> Luckily for me he wasn't on the square NEXT to the opening of the castle that got filled in with lava.  Otherwise I'd have to cool it and then dig out the bell, etc.
08:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Mal Neu) had a shield of light entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:31675 (16:14:21)
08:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18897 (6:14:54)
09:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:19683 (6:31:14)
09:19 <K2> hah awesome dbanethacker
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09:20 <dbanethacker> Yeah you don
09:20 <dbanethacker> don't see the monsters kill themselves much
09:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had an axe entrusted to her by Odin, on T:20779 (6:58:36)
09:28 <dbanethacker> WTF do I do with an axe?
09:29 <hackemslashem> Chop wood?
09:30 <krm26> what CANT you do with an axe! mmmm axes
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09:34 <dbanethacker> Ok, I'm fighting with it.  Chop trees, what else?
09:37 <hackemslashem> Chop trees and chop monsters, that's about it
09:37 <mobileuser> at the first ice queen level (and for me, at vecna to get to maybe a secret door) it's nice to have an axe
09:37 <hackemslashem> Oh, and doors 
09:37 <hackemslashem> And you can #force chests
09:38 <mobileuser> axe has a chance to destroy the chest I think?
09:38 <krm26> you can do all those things with your lovely feet tho! save the axe for its intended purpose, forging into a voulge
09:38 <hackemslashem> But in evilhack you can forge some different items with axes, also god
09:38 <hackemslashem> *good
09:39 <hackemslashem> Any edged weapon won't destroy the chest, but it'll break the lock
09:39 <mobileuser> right
09:40 <mobileuser> I still remember that first chest I destroyed with a staff :-P
09:43 <dbanethacker> a voulge?  ok, I'll bite.  Why a voulge instead of a katana?
09:43 <dbanethacker> (... instead of using your already-made katana)
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09:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Mal Neu) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:32258 (16:34:35)
09:45 <mobileuser> lol lol
09:45 <mobileuser> AXE
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09:46 <krm26> because voulge is an etymologically mysterious word
09:46 <krm26> and hence an ideal thing to forge
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09:46 <krm26> (i only tell you that in confidence while mobileuser is not around to hear)
09:47 <mobileuser> your secret is safe!
09:47 <mobileuser> nothing I can forge with a dwarvish bearded axe :-(
09:48 <krm26> so if i recall, i get boned and stripped of protection for killing charon? is that right?
09:48 <mobileuser> are you human?
09:49 <krm26> um, i mean, as far as you know?
09:49 <krm26> noone can tell you're a dog on the internet
09:49 <mobileuser> ah you are
09:50 <mobileuser> doesn't matter actually... killing a peaceful human is murder
09:50 <krm26> hffdhfdshf
09:51 <krm26> should be able to bribe him for 2 zorkmids
09:51 <krm26> ah well
09:51 <mobileuser> you lose telepathy and two points of luck
09:51 <mobileuser> you don't lose protection
09:51 <krm26> or will pets ignore the level difference for him? do i have a chance of dagul taking him out?
09:51 <mobileuser> I don't know
09:52 <mobileuser> just eat a telepathic monster and repair a bit of luck
09:52 <mobileuser> no big deal
09:55 <krm26> you are so cavalier about murder, you gotta check yourself
09:56 <krm26> i gotta figure out a better strategy for preserving mammoths for future petting, right now i just blind them and hope
09:57 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, what to wish for?  I'm a valk with Mjollnir, [ of reflection, " of magic resistance, T-shirt of drain resistance.  What's the consensus between speed boots versus helm of speed?  Maybe a helm of flying?  I think I need speed first.  Just finished the Quest, am about to go on my way down to the Castle.  No way to levitate, but I could
09:57 <dbanethacker> polymorph a bunch of useless stuff and then decide?
09:57 <krm26> i used to like helms of speed because it lets you get jumping or water walking -- but i've changed my mind
09:58 <krm26> im addicted to toques for ignoring sonic stuns in the endgame so i like boots of speed again
09:58 <krm26> but, if i already have any possible source of magic resistance, i dont blow wishes on endgame gear until ive finished the castle
09:59 <krm26> with your gear i would husband wishes for now
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10:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had Dirge gifted to him by the grace of Lolth, on T:13088 (1:21:56)
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10:37 <mobileuser> hmmm a beholder and a statue of a giant barbarian...
10:37 <mobileuser> ah, overview: Mayhem-Bar-Gia-Mal-Cha, petrified by a beholder
10:38 <krm26> man i could use a nice juicy bones
10:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 51792 points, T:15783, petrified by a chickatrice
10:41 <mobileuser> there were 19 boulders INSIDE the statue
10:41 <mobileuser> YUGE statue
10:42 <mobileuser> no BoH :-(
10:43 <krm26> one statue bones taken, another one created, the circle of life
10:46 <mobileuser> oof DragonSidedD
10:46 <krm26> would be cool if Hecubus linked the dump with that message
10:48 <mobileuser> DragonSidedD forgot to eat
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10:49 <dbanethacker> Thanks krm26 for the pointers !
10:51 <krm26> always listen to the guy who dies with 20 unused potions of full healing in the bag <----
10:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3261 points, T:2905, killed by an invisible Aleax of Shan Lai Ching
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11:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17240 (1:45:49)
11:18 <krm26> does dual wielding effect pounding to hit?
11:20 <Umbire> in what sense
11:20 <Umbire> oh you probably mean lances
11:20 <krm26> yah
11:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:73175 (1 day, 5:18:10)
11:24 <terrapin> looks like polearms are treated as thrown weapons, so no
11:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:17993 (1:54:01)
11:25 <terrapin> oh wait there's still a provision in the thrown weapon code for taking weapon_hit_bonus into account for polearms, which includes any twoweapon penalties
11:29 <Umbire> as in any pounding weapon, or any polearm-skill one?
11:30 <Umbire> also hi terrapin 
11:30 <terrapin> o/
11:30 <terrapin> any weapon you 'a'pply, including lances
11:31 <Umbire> righto
11:32 <hackemslashem> Will that show up in the TH display?
11:32 <krm26> TH displays as expected, just wasnt sure if pounding handled things differently
11:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Charon, on T:73698 (1 day, 5:44:20)
11:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:73741 (1 day, 5:50:08)
11:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:73755 (1 day, 5:50:56)
12:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3288 (0:20:06)
12:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3462 (0:21:29)
12:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 mithril darts on an altar, on T:4878 (0:30:00)
12:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4899 (0:30:56)
12:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 12369 points, T:6128, killed by a bolt of cold
13:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1814 (0:08:38)
13:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3093 (0:13:29)
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13:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4217 (0:21:17)
13:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5121 points, T:4236, killed by a gnomish wizard
13:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had a pair of dark elven bracers entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:19185 (2:02:44)
13:34 <K2> nooice
13:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:19446 (2:08:59)
13:35 <Umbire> ab K2
13:35 <K2> hi
13:35 <Hecubus> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
13:36 <Loggers_VIII> hopefully splunge's careful with those bracers
13:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had a steel axe entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:19654 (2:10:05)
13:36 <Loggers_VIII> I always put on dark elven bracers and then forget to manage darkness and then they break and I don't notice until 10k turns later
13:37 <Umbire> K2, https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Combat
13:37 <Umbire> trying to make sure I have the bases of the basics covered - can you think of anything I'm missing?
13:37 <Umbire> have it open and editing as I speak so
13:37 <Loggers_VIII> do normal bracers generate? I think the yendorian army should probably get them occasionally
13:38 <Loggers_VIII> maybe tortles could spawn with them too
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13:42 <Umbire> ab mobileuser 
13:43 <mobileuser> hi Umbire
13:43 <Umbire> how are you
13:43 <mobileuser> I'm fine, and you?
13:43 <K2> Umbire - wielded corpses
13:44 <Umbire> "A [[weapon]] or other item that they [[wield]] in their [[hand]] (or in [[Two-handed weapon|both hands]])"
13:44 <Umbire> corpses I would file under "other item"
13:44 <K2> shield bashing in certain variants (vanilla nethack has feedback if you purposely attack with a shield)
13:44 <Umbire> I don't wanna get too into the weeds, the other articles can handle all the details
13:45 <K2> sure
13:45 <Umbire> I mean I DO wanna get into shield bashing et. al. eventually
13:45 <Umbire> but I feel in order to do that the basics of combat have to be sufficiently explained first
13:46 <K2> potions
13:46 <Umbire> though, I think I CAN briefly touch on improvised weapons somewhere
13:46 <Umbire> ah
13:46 <Umbire> good one
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14:09 <Umbire> the article is primarily about "how combat occurs", so "what you can fight" with is important but secondary-ish
14:24 <Umbire> alright, so I think I have most basic methods of combat for the hero and monsters in NetHack covered
14:24 <Umbire> what might I be missing though
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14:43 <Umbire> because I do eventually wanna start documenting shield bashing and such for evil and other applicable variants
15:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide Hawaiian shirt of drain resistance", on T:33013 (17:57:12)
15:05 <mobileuser> The design features ukuleles on a green background
15:08 <K2> play me a song
15:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had an axe entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:74020 (1 day, 6:14:33)
15:14 <mobileuser> oooh, Mayhem had a stash on the level he got killed
15:14 <mobileuser> that's rare these days
15:15 <krm26> lucky!
15:15 <krm26> meanwhile i've found 2 scrolls of enchant weapon to the start of gehennom after 75k turns :-P
15:15 <mobileuser> even had Dirge which I can't use unfortunately
15:15 <mobileuser> heh
15:16 <K2> ... DIRGE
15:16 <mobileuser> my main problem has been lack of ID scrolls (or a polymorph wand)
15:16 <mobileuser> DIRGE ...
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15:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:27227 (2:51:52)
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15:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:28140 (3:01:48)
15:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Oracle, on T:76888 (1 day, 6:59:12)
16:04 <aosdict> no one is \o/ing
16:04 <Umbire> hi aosdict 
16:04 <Umbire> left a message on beholder for you I think
16:05 <Umbire> also have a few questions that I'll pass to you when I can remember them
16:31 <krm26> does pounding trigger gray dragon cancellation? i assume so?
16:35 <mobileuser> it doesn't
16:35 <krm26> no WAY, gross
16:35 <mobileuser> you can also safely pound other types of dragon except black dragon
16:37 <mobileuser> "Pounding will not trigger passive attacks from monsters against the wielder" it's a vanilla thing
16:38 <krm26> that is gross
16:39 <krm26> lance forging should be changed to require quarterstaffs as one ingredient, placing a hard limit on making them to the number of randomly generated metal quarterstaffs
16:41 <krm26> i should make a silver lance and try jousting vecna to death
16:42 <mobileuser> why silver?
16:42 <krm26> do liches not hate silver? just assumed
16:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha), 93844 points, T:30012, poisoned by a shambling horror, while helpless
16:42 <mobileuser> they don't
16:43 <krm26> silver-hating isnt noted in monster lookups alas
16:43 <mobileuser> lance of acid
16:43 <mobileuser> I think that is vecna's only weakness
16:43 <Umbire> @e?vecna
16:43 <Hecubus> Vecna (L) | Lvl: 99 | Diff: 50 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confer: fire cold | MR: 90 | Gen: unique | AC: -10 | Atk: 8d6 touch cold, 6d6 touch wither, 3d4 gaze Death, 4d6 cast spell, 4d6 cast clerical | Align: -20 | flies, breathless, regen, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, undead
16:43 <Umbire> besides just non-elemental damage, yeah
16:43 <krm26> yeah acid object property would be cool if it existed
16:44 <mobileuser> oops
16:44 <Umbire> far as silver it's based on monclass 
16:44 <mobileuser> confused with hack'em
16:44 <Umbire> and montype
16:44 <Umbire> werefoo, vamps, demons, dassit
16:44 <mobileuser> bedtime... good luck!
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16:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1474 (0:06:36)
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17:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 3967 points, T:3758, poisoned by a gnome zombie
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17:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 44 points, T:28, killed by a water elemental
17:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Red (Con Hum Mal Cha), 22 points, T:170, killed by a lichen
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17:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Con Ith Mal Cha), 836 points, T:2382, killed by a giant ant, while praying
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17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Red (Con Hum Mal Cha), 65 points, T:709, killed by a lichen
17:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Pri Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5455 (0:44:29)
17:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Red (Con Hum Mal Cha), 227 points, T:707, killed by a gnome zombie
17:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Pri Dwa Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:6004 (0:46:32)
17:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Pri Dwa Mal Law), 14591 points, T:6049, killed by a piranha
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18:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] AndyDufresne (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:25839 (13:29:48)
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18:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] BobhamTook (Rog Hob Mal Neu) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Mog, on T:24753 (8:05:58)
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18:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] BobhamTook (Rog Hob Mal Neu) used a forge to create Glamdring, on T:26210 (8:21:18)
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18:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] BobhamTook (Rog Hob Mal Neu) murdered his faithful large dog, on T:27226 (8:31:36)
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18:41 <BobhamTook> why did it not warn me the corpse was rotten (hobbit) and why the heck are fresh corpses rotten, anyhow?
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18:42 <BobhamTook> I know, trying to make sense of NetHack or thinking there should be more 'realism' is senseless.
18:43 <K2> hobbit food sense works just like as if you had cast detect food spell
18:43 <K2> a corpse can age a certain amount, still be fine, but you may get a warning about it
18:44 <K2> what was the corspe?
18:44 <K2> *corpse
18:44 <BobhamTook> it was absolutely fresh.
18:44 <BobhamTook> i was just getting mad at myself because i always type "corspe."
18:44 <K2> what was the corpse?
18:45 <BobhamTook> a l w a y s
18:45 <BobhamTook> so, that if funny
18:45 <BobhamTook> giant beetle
18:45 <K2> ok
18:45 <K2> when reporting or describing a bug, details matter :)
18:47 <K2> worth reading - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Corpse#Aging
18:48 <BobhamTook> it is along the same vein as an uncursed food ration being rotten, it seems, was my guess
18:49 <BobhamTook> the statement about "corspe" was just me thinking it was funny because I just wnet on a mini-tirade about my near-constant typing errors.
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18:50 <BobhamTook> like "wnet"   always type it "wnet" instead of "went"
18:50 <dingotron> oof. damn. Having problems as a convict getting to the secret room on the rat king's level of mine's end
18:50 <K2> so there is a quirk in the game. if you come across, say, a burnt food ration, it shows in inventory as 'rotten'
18:50 <dingotron> the damn t-shirt of liberation won't let me step on teleport traps to get teleported
18:50 <K2> orotten bitfield is overloaded
18:51 <K2> heh yup, the pros and cons of the shirt
18:51 <K2> it is possible to have it removed
18:51 <Umbire> You can manually trigger teleport traps using ctrl + T
18:51 <dingotron> I wish ring of teleport control would override the magic protection and still give you the option of being teleported
18:52 <K2> brb
18:52 <Umbire> just have to be standing on them
18:52 <dingotron> really!?
18:52 <dingotron> whooooaaa
18:53 <BobhamTook> but, yeah, just was not expecting a fresh corpse to be rotten, immediately tried to move and instantly killed a pet.  and of course (of course!) I killed it, even though I have been struggling to kill *everything* due to low skill and no enchant!
18:53 <Umbire> same for level teleporters too
18:53 <BobhamTook> and ones that trigger cane be sat on
18:53 <dingotron> Umbire  is amazing!! That has been bugging me for *years*
18:54 <BobhamTook> cane = can
18:54 <Umbire> it's something you've always been able to do that I know of
18:54 <Umbire> BobhamTook, that type of food rottenness is determined when you eat it, it's not ENTIRELY tied to age
18:54 <Umbire> but it is partially
18:55 <BobhamTook> like I said earlier, I thought it may be akin to an uncursed food ration being rotten
18:55 <BobhamTook> so, I was right
18:55 <Umbire> yeah
18:55 <BobhamTook> always thought it was odd uncursed food can be rotten
18:55 <Umbire> food appraisal such as when hobbits have prompt you from eating too-old corpses and poisonous ones but doesn't do anything about that necessarily
18:55 <BobhamTook> but I guess it is merely the state of having a blessing.
18:55 <Umbire> rotten =/= cursed yeah
18:55 <Umbire> though cursed food is typically rotten
18:56 <Umbire> it's a squares and rectangles kinda thing
18:56 <BobhamTook> Like, my peanut butter and jelly sandwich may have not been blessed by a priest, but is rotten.
18:56 <BobhamTook> there are other roguelikes where beatitude = rotteness
18:56 <BobhamTook> uncursed would never be rotten
18:57 <BobhamTook> and blessed can never be cursed in NetHack?
18:57 <BobhamTook> It is something I never messed with with NetHack, but it CAN be deadly.
18:58 <BobhamTook> in the wrtong situation rotten food can kill you in those few, short turns of unconsciousness
18:58 <Umbire> blessed food can be rotten
18:58 <Umbire> just much lower odds
18:58 <BobhamTook> ah.
18:59 <Umbire> the letter rations and lembas are never rotten so people tend toward that when building food stockpiles
18:59 <BobhamTook> just so odd, the gotchas.  I need to stop assuming stuff and playing so damned "fast"
18:59 <Umbire> well no
18:59 <Umbire> Gimme a second please
18:59 <BobhamTook> yeah I save lembas for the ascension run
19:00 <Umbire> "Lembas wafers and cram rations are never rotten unless they are cursed."
19:00 <Umbire> it's a lot to keep crammed up here off the top of my head so I will occasionally say incorrect things
19:02 <BobhamTook> earlier i lost perfect alignment by getting confused by an umber hulk and attacking a peaceful monster. now I kill my pet assuming the food I am eating would be OK. been playing NetHack since the 80's and still make silly mistakes.
19:02 <BobhamTook> There is a lot of detail in NetHack.
19:02 <BobhamTook> And then add to the mass-amount of thing added to Evil!
19:02 <BobhamTook> I used to think I knew everything.  HA!
19:02 <BobhamTook> far far from the truth
19:03 <Umbire> heh
19:03 <BobhamTook> (knew everything in terms of vanilla, anyways)
19:05 <BobhamTook> so do portals need to be sat on, or can they Ctrl + t as well?
19:05 <Umbire> Sat on
19:05 <Umbire> If you're on their square
19:09 <dingotron> ok, now pet dragon, stop trying to wander off with that crystal safe...
19:10 <BobhamTook> put a statue on it or a cursed item  (is this a stash chest?)
19:11 <dingotron> it's just the crystal safe at mine's end that I am trying loot ;)
19:14 <BobhamTook> ah.
19:19 <dingotron> weird. somehow I'v annoyed the aligned priest in minetown who's now aggoing me instead of accepting gold or being willing to chat. Don't know what aggravated him, had to call in the pet dragon to sort him out.
19:20 <Umbire> what race?
19:20 <Umbire> BobhamTook, I do a bunch of wiki stuff to try and get everything as documented and up to date as I can
19:22 <dingotron> I am human. Priest was perfectly friendly the last 3 time I stopped by to use the temple and buy protection.
19:27 <BobhamTook> Oh, I am quite familiar with the Phantom, Umbire.
19:27 <BobhamTook> :-D
19:27 <Umbire> 👍
19:27 <BobhamTook> like I said, is why I hgave feedback on violet, gray and black fungi.
19:28 <BobhamTook> Black fungus are a great way to get a steed sleep resist!
19:28 <BobhamTook> what race is/was priest and were you wielding any banes?
19:29 <BobhamTook> dingotron  was it an orc priest?
19:29 <dingotron> I don't remember race of priest. no banes
19:30 <BobhamTook> zap light around him testing wands?
19:30 <dingotron> I must have done something and missed it in the message log
19:30 <dingotron> could have been something like that
19:31 <BobhamTook> i do that sometimes.... so hard to to remember light is an attack now
19:31 <dingotron> oh priest was a centaur
19:32 <BobhamTook> testing beatitude at the Mintown altar,,, OK now test wands!    piss off priest!
19:32 <dingotron> lol
19:32 <BobhamTook> even makes coaligned priest mad
19:33 <Umbire> can't be disrespectin your clergy now
19:34 <dingotron> ha
19:34 <BobhamTook> NOW we need a spell/wand that is NOT an attack spell (unless gremlin/drow, etc.) — Globe of Light (a globe of light that follow you around for d20(or how many ever) turns)? Light Area?
19:35 <Umbire> confused reading a light scroll produces cancelled lights
19:35 <BobhamTook> Put 'Light' in the Attack school, and a basic, non-threatening light area spell in Divinayion
19:35 <BobhamTook> yep.
19:35 <BobhamTook> can be a strategy is a Drow.
19:35 <BobhamTook> ^if a Drow
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21:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Red (Con Hum Mal Cha), 468 points, T:2199, killed by a sewer rat
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22:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1961 (0:40:48)
22:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2076 (0:42:35)
22:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a leather cloak of displacement entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4214 (0:56:16)
22:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a rock gnome corpse, on T:4560 (1:01:06)
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22:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 10491 points, T:5380, killed by a mastodon
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23:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] BobhamTook (Rog Hob Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:31665 (10:56:07)
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