00:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 00:06 oh nice my wizard started with magic missile 00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 447 points, T:1880, killed by a giant bat, while helpless 00:08 heh 00:10 starting with a loaded gun 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] WiisagiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1105 (0:05:50) 00:11 the goblin shaman was healing him! that's nasty 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] WiisagiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (black dragons), on T:1543 (0:06:54) 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] WiisagiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1572 (0:07:14) 00:15 yup 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 326 points, T:1789, killed by a sewer rat 00:17 I finally remembered to turn off petless, so I'm having a good time with my pseudodragon 00:20 the encyclopedia entry for pseudodragons mentions them changing color to match their surroundings, so here's a YASI: pseudodragons change color to match the walls of whatever branch you're on :P 00:23 my pseudodragon got levelported D: 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] WiisagiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2608 (0:16:42) 00:27 [hdf-us] [evil] WiisagiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 5879 points, T:3124, killed by a magic missile 00:28 these new clerical casters are scary 00:38 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:45 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1971 (0:28:39) 00:47 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 00:48 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism by offering a rock gnome corpse on an altar of Quetzalcoatl, on T:3432 (0:43:00) 01:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:08 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had a pair of low boots entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:3885 (0:50:57) 01:18 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:39936 (18:00:32) 01:22 <@fubaz> Does crystal have special properties? Just lighter and more pricey? 01:25 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Crystal_plate_mail 01:37 <@fubaz> Crystal weapons in particular 01:38 that's gemstone 01:38 check the mats table 01:38 also ab K2, you're up late 01:41 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (beholders), on T:40404 (18:24:08) 01:57 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 4309 points, T:6126, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant mimic, while praying 01:58 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 47 points, T:130, killed by a goblin 02:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1443 (0:10:36) 02:11 !who 02:11 xdminsy: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] fubaz [evil] tinklebear [evil] :: [hdf-au] HungryMotu [evil] 02:11 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:12 Oh Loggers you start another wizard. 02:12 Speedrun? 02:13 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3515 02:13 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:13 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/8dba35386329...faf666bc4713 02:14 [EvilHack] k21971 faf666b - Fix: multiple issues with mcastu.c 02:15 that was a lot of work and testing 02:15 I can imagine, whew 02:16 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/faf666bc4713...1e2fb5f6d60d 02:16 [EvilHack] k21971 1e2fb5f - Fix: multiple issues with mcastu.c 02:17 ^ amended the commit msg 02:17 -!- Guest3515 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:21 ugh i see a couple things i need to fix from that commit. minor 02:21 its late though so going to bed. gnite o/ 02:22 <@fubaz> Got a tame gecko but only had one pet which i still have. Magic trap or something? Didn’t read taming. Maybe something used blessed figurine? 02:26 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1778 points, T:2784, killed by a giant leech 02:32 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:42528 (19:14:44) 02:46 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Baphomet, on T:52599 (1 day, 21:37:32) 02:51 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:51 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 02:56 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:58 Figurine use by hostile monsters is treated as cursed in regards to odds 02:59 (i.e. 80%/10%/10% hostile, peaceful or tame) 03:10 K2: I like using giant turtles as test mon too lol, poor things 03:22 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 03:27 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:51 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Mephistopheles, on T:53457 (1 day, 22:41:51) 04:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:26 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 04:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:54 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:56 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:30 there's a Splanchomancer in the room with Medusa 05:31 shame tinklebear is not here 05:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:88744 (1 day, 15:47:22) 06:11 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:55 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:55 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 477 points, T:2125, killed by a giant bat 06:58 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Mal Cha), 39 points, T:306, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food 06:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2887 points, T:6246, diseased by a kobold zombie 07:03 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 07:05 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 07:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 120 points, T:546, killed by a water elemental 07:18 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 0 points, T:50, killed by a fox 07:22 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 66 points, T:277, killed by a hobgoblin 07:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1398 (0:14:07) 07:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1334 points, T:1881, quit 07:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "magic marker", on T:90228 (1 day, 16:57:15) 07:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide bracers of decay", on T:90260 (1 day, 17:03:58) 07:36 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:39 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 08:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:90272 (1 day, 17:06:24) 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Kat (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 24 points, T:22, killed by a jackal 08:22 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:90490 (1 day, 17:19:49) 08:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:90492 (1 day, 17:20:12) 08:29 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:8580 (0:43:09) 08:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4308 points, T:8654, poisoned by an orcish arrow 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha) murdered Harry, her faithful giant rat, on T:2421 (1:18:15) 09:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) returned The Staff of Aesculapius to Hippocrates, completing his quest, on T:90678 (1 day, 17:29:08) 09:04 no, it was not difficult to do Hippocrates 09:04 I'm sure you need it more than I do 09:05 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 871 points, T:3235, killed by the Goblin King 09:07 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:10 The Staff of Aesculapius is awesome. what a waste to give it back 09:16 lol 09:17 I've noticed in previous healer games that I just leave it unenchanted in open inventory, for the rare invoke 09:17 not a big loss 09:18 bbl 09:18 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:31 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/1e2fb5f6d60d...6e9f7e5babb4 09:31 [EvilHack] k21971 6e9f7e5 - Fix: more fixes in mcastu.c 09:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:32 !who 09:32 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 09:33 latest commits are live 09:33 having a spellcasting pet just became more fun 09:34 (or you poly'd into a caster) 09:36 can the player cast ranged monster spells? 09:41 not currently, no 09:42 well yes, but not at range if that makes sense 09:42 its triggered by melee 09:43 a long time ago you could use #monster to trigger spells but it was buggy as hell, so I removed it (was grunthack code) 09:43 honestly, mcastu.c could probably use a complete overhaul 09:44 vanilla nethack mcastu only take mon vs player into account, in evilhack it also take mon vs mon and poly'd player vs mon into account 09:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 18 points, T:10, killed by a water elemental 09:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:5, zapped himself with a wand of lightning 10:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 476 points, T:1475, killed by a giant bat 10:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 22 points, T:139, killed by sipping boiling water 10:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:34 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 91 points, T:400, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Mal Cha), 179 points, T:501, killed by an iron ball collision 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 13 points, T:549, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food 10:53 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Mal Cha), 28 points, T:423, killed by a goblin 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Mal Cha), 29 points, T:314, killed by a newt 11:08 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 4 points, T:152, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:42333 (1 day, 0:27:42) 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Mal Cha), 7 points, T:156, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide robe", on T:42357 (1 day, 0:30:53) 11:33 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:35 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:42882 (1 day, 0:46:53) 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (black dragons), on T:43056 (1 day, 0:52:00) 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:10937 (2:31:31) 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Dispater, on T:43732 (1 day, 1:08:47) 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1848 (0:13:11) 12:19 ah man... Keolewa and orcrist in the same weapons shop dlvl 2 12:19 and the shopkeeper doesnt like me 12:20 You see here a mithril runed broadsword named Orcrist (for sale, 66668 zorkmids). 12:21 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 137 points, T:500, killed by a black pudding 12:21 lmaoooo 12:21 that's nutty 12:22 lol wtf is happening 12:22 first level of mines, dwarf death drops sunsword 12:23 i'm barely 1000 turns in 12:23 the game developed sentience and is welcoming it's creator :) 12:23 !whereis K2 12:23 Umbire: [hdf-us] k2 [evil]: (Inf Ith Mal Una) T:952 The Gnomish Mines level: 3 (with Amulet) 12:23 hah 12:24 Moloch smiles upon you 12:26 moloch is a dick. i'll prob be dead soon 12:26 :] 12:30 hah neat... so you know the recent commit allowing various monster groups to have a leader? a group of manes will now spawn with a lemure 12:30 Oh neat 12:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:92543 (1 day, 18:46:21) 12:33 you dont see lemures very often, nice they'll be a bit more common 12:34 @e? lemure 12:34 lemure (i) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 3 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: sleep | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom | AC: 7 | Atk: 1d3 claw physical | Align: -7 | genocidable, regen, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis 12:34 @e? mane 12:34 mane ~1~ manes (i) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 3 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 7 | Atk: 1d3 claw physical, 1d3 claw physical, 1d4 bite physical | Align: -7 | genocidable, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis 12:35 and its weird that manes are more dangerous than lemure 12:35 Why do lemures seem weaker than manes 12:35 dunno 12:35 template for both is the same as vanilla nethack 12:35 Because they are lol 12:36 arguably by design, they're supposed to be the pitiful wretches trapped in the Abyss/Hell/etc. 12:39 Wikipedia says they are supposed to be scary, so we could add a scare attack(may be just outside gehennom, they are still pitiful when trapped inside). 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Mal Cha), 325 points, T:1470, killed by a kobold zombie 12:41 What's the difficulty when they have leader? 12:42 I think they are a bit out of depth as normal monster generation. 12:43 Like one will encounter a group of difficulty 3 monsters at dl 3 when xl 3, but apprently won't spawn a monster with difficulty 5. 12:43 But I think it's now possible as a group leader? 12:44 diff doesnt change 12:45 or does now the leader will respect the difficulty restriction like if they are unable to spawn normally, the leader generation fails? 12:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had 18 shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:12214 (2:45:19) 12:47 heheh K2 inspired me to tame a vampire mage 12:48 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Mal Cha), 197 points, T:706, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 12:48 For what, kill quest leader? 12:48 although with "spellcast arcane" I suppose I won't notice any difference? 12:48 They can cast touch of death i think. 12:48 nah, quest leader can live on :-) 12:49 or does now the leader will respect the difficulty restriction like if they are unable to spawn normally, the leader generation fails? <--- no 12:49 game just got a lil bit harder 12:49 Heh you are more merciful 12:50 Thanks I see. 12:50 09:33 having a spellcasting pet just became more fun 12:50 let's see if I will have more fun :-) 12:51 give your pet resistances to fire/cold/acid 12:51 they'll nuke without restriction 12:51 vs just 20% of the time 12:52 Oh oh I get it, the casters are more powerful now. 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13174 (2:52:58) 12:54 clerical based ones, yes 12:54 as pets they'll now use more spells that previously 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:13307 (2:53:57) 12:54 *than 12:54 lots of bug fixing last night 12:55 maybe i'll break weaponless and start using Giantslayer... 12:55 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:57 <@loggers_viii> it’s tempting, isn’t it? 12:57 <@loggers_viii> Giantslayer’s just so good 12:59 You feel the power of Moloch increase. The altar glows red. 12:59 yay finally 12:59 giantslayer is actually decent 12:59 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 13:00 What changed with Giantslayer? 13:03 25 str when wielded, prevents knockback 13:03 chance to instakill giants 13:03 hiya krm26 13:04 ...so knockback prevention is the new bit? 13:05 wish spears had a different damage against large -- should be one of the best vs-large weapons 13:05 dnd and its silly weapon damage structure :-/ 13:05 Strength bonus applies when twoweaponed in offhand, though it checks base strength for restriction purposes 13:05 not that new no 13:05 this doesnt get old, just saw a group of mordor orcs spawn with a leader (uruk-hai) and a support orc shaman 13:05 so awesome 13:06 coordination yelling emotes next! "hold the line!" 13:07 You mentally assault the Mordor orc! The Mordor orc trembles in anguish! You mentally attack the Uruk-hai! The Uruk-hai trembles in agony! The orc shaman casts a spell at the Mordor orc. The Mordor orc looks better. The orc shaman casts a spell at the Uruk-hai. The Uruk-hai looks better. The orc shaman casts a spell! The golden haze around the orc shaman becomes more dense. 13:07 HEH 13:08 time to strategize 13:08 ah the woodland elves I freed are joining the fray 13:08 shouldn't they give me dragonbane instead of giantslayer since i haven't hit with a weapon? 13:08 rebatela no, artifacts arent considered in that way, on purpose 13:08 the game is just begging me to hit something with a pickaxe out of frustration... 13:09 k2: that's cool. As long as it's not a regular spear, I guess it's still a decent gift 13:09 I can give it to a pet later 13:11 the main reason weapon artifacts are still allowed to be gifts is because of forging 13:11 but yeah gifting them to pets is another valid reason 13:11 or even if you need cash, can sell it 13:12 or getting vorpal blade off the board 13:12 etc etc 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3754 (1:10:11) 13:26 just had a thought: since evilhack has platinum, PYEC could be made out of actual platinum :) 13:27 by that logic you gotta stop screwing priests with no edged gifts k2! 13:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:93200 (1 day, 19:26:55) 13:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:93213 (1 day, 19:27:39) 13:41 maybe use cavepeople logic for priests too, so that you can receive and edged artifact weapon, but the skill won't be unlocked 13:41 * an edged 14:02 still pushing for wearing mitre opening up edged gifts (with as mobileuser says no skill) 14:12 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 49 points, T:513, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 14:43 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:45 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Fem Cha), 65 points, T:262, killed by a fox 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] thelemur (Con Hob Mal Cha), 16 points, T:272, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 15:24 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1019 points, T:1180, poisoned by a rotted goblin corpse 15:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45525 (1 day, 1:58:30) 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45528 (1 day, 2:04:45) 16:03 K2, drow Knights start with nightmares like normal right? 16:03 Trying to make heads and tails of dog.c 16:05 or terrapin, if you're looking atm 16:05 actually lemme... 16:06 seems to still be a nightmare per local 0.8.3 install 16:08 doesn't seem to have changed since, I'll just be confident and send it 16:11 yeah 16:12 gonna move rooms and resume drow starting race work 16:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 16:28 so, I have it so spellcasting monsters can cast at range vs other monsters 16:29 but, they're casting everything they have access to, which is not the intent 16:29 trying to figure out how to have them pick from just a handful of appropriate spells 16:36 if you're tackling that tough ai work now i would lobby for those monsters not necessarily knowing every spell, just like players dont -- i.e. the goblin shaman gets 4 of the 6 possible spells, etc. Producing slightly different behavior, making things a little more chaotic/less predictable for the player 16:37 like you can scavange a few bytes and give each monster a spell bitmask 16:37 krm26 the way that works is, the higher level the monster, the more access they have to other spells 16:37 THEN, monsters could finally read approrpiate spellbooks to learn spells they are missing :-) 16:37 a low level shaman like a goblin/kobold will only have a limited set of spells to pick from 16:38 right, highger level/more,better spells makes sense. but it also makes sense that maybe this goblin has force bolt but this one has burning hands 16:38 or whatev 16:38 this is why i'm always saying use stormbringer against rodney - drop him enough levels, he cant cast dbl trouble or other higher level spells 16:39 allowing monster spellcasters to cast player spells? whole different beast. not going there right now 16:41 <@loggers_viii> I do not want some gnome wizard casting finger of death at me cuz it found a book :p 16:42 oh yeah you do 16:42 free spellbook id :-) 16:42 <@loggers_viii> heheh true 16:42 <@loggers_viii> that’s big value 16:43 but what i meant was, there is a list of lets say (clerical) spells with ABC up to level n, then DE at level n+4, then FG at level n+8 or whatever -- i was suggesting that each (clerical) monster get a random bitmask of say 70% or whatever of those spells which they actually know. to vary the experience 16:47 <@loggers_viii> I think there would need to be a bit more monster spells for that to be really cool 16:47 crap 16:47 this compiles, but no workie. monster still casting every spell available to it 16:47 like sometimes you get the frost gnome, sometimes the fire gnome, sometimes the stunlock gnome :-) 16:49 the 'gnomes like spells' union would take issue 16:51 never let the little people organize 16:52 my daughter made union cards for our pets when she was in like 2nd grade, but i strikebusted her with doggie biscuits 16:52 <@loggers_viii> I think a couple extra monster spells are in order honestly. some that force or encourage interesting countermeasures, as opposed to spells like fire/ice/acid blast which do their job (damaging you/your stuff) well, but have very simple counterplay 16:57 loggers what do you suggest? 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1957 (0:09:47) 17:01 <@loggers_viii> dunno. I’ve been thinking about this for a while and have come up fairly empty 17:01 <@loggers_viii> I think there’s potential for spells that alter terrain and/or make you pay attention to your positioning more 17:02 <@loggers_viii> but I think that could end up being quite unnecessarily punishing if done wrong. like those lame create pool spells from slashem 17:03 "save or drown idiot" 17:03 maybe their own answer to force spells like the player has in Evil and 3.7? 17:04 <@loggers_viii> I had an idea for a monster that would create clones of itself that die in one hit, but I couldn’t think of a good way for the caster to blend in with them. perhaps it would teleport a small distance away from you so you couldn’t just know which one it was from where it stood when it casted the spell 17:04 <@loggers_viii> I do not want some gnome wizard casting finger of death at me cuz it found a book :p 17:04 spell failure chance and spellbook reading failure chance both exist 17:04 if it was implemented properly (symmetrically with the player implementation), those would be taken into account 17:05 also spell power cost 17:07 <@loggers_viii> FIQhack has done that right? must’ve been a pain 17:08 hmmm touch of death failed against a mind flayer. weird. 17:08 <@loggers_viii> probably has an MR cloak or something g 17:08 no source of MR for the mind flayer 17:08 <@loggers_viii> you sure it didn’t just miss? 17:09 <@loggers_viii> oh touch of death, not finger 17:09 The invisible vampire mage casts a spell at the mind flayer! Oh no, he's using the touch of death!  Well.  That didn't work... 17:09 <@loggers_viii> touch of death always has a chance to fail 17:09 <@loggers_viii> yeah, that’s the message when it messes up randomly 17:09 ok... TIL 17:10 it always seems to work when they use it against me :-) 17:10 <@loggers_viii> it’s not something that is really factored into strategy. no one’s relying on ToD failing :P 17:10 heheh 17:11 -!- malor has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:13 <@loggers_viii> evil idea: a monster attack that’s like barbed devil’s fire or angel’s missiles but with death magic. so death rays at range and touch of death in close range. or perhaps instead of touch of death an effect like wand of orcus that lowers a ton of HP and has a chance to instakill 17:14 I mean hallucination blocks specifically the touch of death 17:14 so tinklebear relies on it technically :B 17:18 Does EvilHack still have the "ZT_DEATH means either death or disintegration depending on context" hack from vanilla? 17:18 <@loggers_viii> smartass 17:18 <@loggers_viii> (Directed at umbire) 17:19 :3 17:19 Noisytoot yes 17:20 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:20 kinda surprised devteam hasnt separated those 17:20 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:21 <@loggers_viii> I wonder why Hallu protects from touch of death 17:34 As far as I know, *dnh is the only variant to get rid of ZT_TYPEs (and as a result separate them). It replaces it by instead passing AD_TYPE, O_CLASS, and yours to buzz() and explode(). 17:40 I'm not sure why it was decided to fit it all into a single int in the first place 17:40 code limits, perhaps 17:41 I can only speculate, esp. not knowing all that much myself 17:42 Did NetHack ever run on systems where it would be an issue to pass 3 ints instead of one? 17:44 probably given its age 17:45 640Kb should be enough for anyone! 17:46 i remember reading of stories where it would take *hours* to compile from scratch 17:47 system dependent of course 17:47 now it's more like 30-40 sec 17:48 with terrapins help, got monsters casting against other monsters at range for specific spells worked out. just need to refine and fine tune, test 17:49 but first, dinner and movie time 17:49 back in a bit 17:49 enjoy 18:00 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:5732 (1:06:32) 18:01 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:5751 (1:07:09) 18:05 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:12 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:7225 (1:18:40) 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:9413 (1:30:35) 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:9422 (1:30:54) 18:26 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 10951 points, T:9451, diseased by a human zombie 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 712 points, T:1196, killed by the Goblin King 19:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 224 points, T:896, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant rat 19:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:807 (0:04:00) 19:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 267 points, T:811, killed by a potion of acid 19:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:8059 (2:57:28) 19:34 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1911 (0:10:17) 19:49 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - 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