00:03 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 00:10 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:10 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:21567 (4:06:50) 00:12 -!- terracotta has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:879 (0:11:34) 00:18 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 00:22 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 00:43 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (samurai), on T:2323 (0:37:45) 00:52 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:55 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 01:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 01:15 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:17 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 01:19 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 01:22 "What do you want to throw? [$a-cqwyA or ?*] B" 01:22 "In what direction? y" 01:22 "You hit the earth elemental with an egg." 01:22 "The baby silver dragon turns to flee. You kill the Ent!" 01:23 Whatever it was, I killed it with an egg! 01:23 -!- mobileuser62 has joined #evilhack 01:23 (probably a gnome) 01:25 -!- mobileuser79 has joined #evilhack 01:26 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:28 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 01:28 -!- mobileuser62 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:33 -!- mobileuser79 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:35 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4398 (1:30:35) 01:38 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 01:39 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 77 points, T:337, killed by an arrow 01:41 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 15262 points, T:4628, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted drow raider 01:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:39832 (19:13:13) 02:01 -!- Frozty has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:11 "You hit the black fungus with an egg. Splat! You kill the shrieker!" 02:11 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 1810 points, T:2051, killed by a dwarf king 02:13 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 462 points, T:523, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant mosquito 02:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:15 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 45 points, T:116, killed by a contaminated potion 02:18 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 246 points, T:263, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rock gnome, while frozen by a potion 02:47 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1102 points, T:1967, killed by a wand 02:47 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 02:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:06 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 03:10 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:13 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1552 points, T:1738, zombified by a hobbit zombie 03:18 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 03:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4124 points, T:5263, killed by a piranha 03:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 143 points, T:534, killed by a steel sling bullet 04:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 17 points, T:160, killed by drinking molten lava 04:09 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 04:10 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 04:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 452 points, T:3575, killed by a crossbow bolt 04:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:42952 (20:38:03) 04:13 LOVE IT 04:15 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:2285 (0:10:57) 04:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1000 points, T:2255, killed by a contaminated potion 04:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class @), on T:1 (0:00:09) 04:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 04:26 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1070 (0:13:55) 04:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2845 (0:18:02) 04:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 256 points, T:1691, killed by a sewer rat 04:41 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 05:04 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 9977 points, T:7256, withered away, while praying 05:20 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 488 points, T:1619, killed by a piranha 05:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:43990 (20:54:48) 05:32 Hey, this one stacks with the previous one! 05:47 -!- rld has quit [Server closed connection] 05:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:45239 (21:12:36) 05:55 -!- [ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 05:57 it's weird, none of the elven queens/kings seem to have pick-axes anymore 06:16 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:23 -!- rld has joined #evilhack 06:23 -!- mode/#evilhack [+v rld] by ChanServ 06:28 <@xdminsy> I guess it's +3. 06:31 bot just came back up @xdnminsy 06:31 also I think mobile's getting really unlucky with elven royal pick-axes 06:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:36 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 06:37 I see, struggling time. 06:38 I keep hoping for a lightweight pick-axe to drop instead of my current heavy one :-) 06:39 RIP 06:39 no luck with the mines dorfs? 06:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:369 (0:02:24) 06:46 they all had heavy pick-axes, just weird RNG 06:51 RIP 06:51 x2 06:51 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/uhitm.c#L3138 Anyone present that can help me properly parse this line? 06:52 I know this is where duration of blindness for flashing a monster of camera is set 06:57 mobileuser can you forge a mithril mattock? 06:58 I think it weighs 45 aum though it's two-handed. 06:59 he's playing giant Healer so extremely not a problem 06:59 heh, I'm not desperate for it, just noticing they are not dropping for me 07:03 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:10 -!- Frozty has joined #evilhack 07:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3630 (0:29:28) 07:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:46107 (21:29:15) 07:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3882 (0:32:49) 07:27 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 07:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:38 Hi Umbire, this sentence on the evilhack wiki page: 07:38 "Shopkeepers are no longer limited to just one race (human) – they now have a wide range of races they can spawn as, and what they charge the player for goods sold (* and what they agree to pay for items bought*) can be affected by their race as well as the players' race." 07:38 I think the part I highlighted is no longer true? 07:39 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Server closed connection] 07:39 Is it not? 07:39 (* and what they agree to pay for items bought*) <--- this is true 07:39 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 07:39 yeah that should still be true 07:39 still true? 07:39 also ab K2 07:39 oh... 07:39 yes still true 07:40 could probably simplify to something like "and their buy and sell prices can be[...]" 07:40 take this into account as well, live since yesterday - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/47d3518f3930927d679285912fa5b4bac4cb28a4 07:40 yeah there's also that now 07:40 when I price-id scrolls by dropping them, I always seem to get offered standard prices without adjustment K2 07:40 K2 I was adding that commit to the wiki :-) 07:41 and then as so often I fell into a rabbit hole 07:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 527 points, T:3351, killed by a hobgoblin, while fainted from lack of food 07:43 see shk_racial_adjustments() in src/shk.c 07:44 ^ that is player selling to shopkeeper 07:45 err shopkeep selling to player sorry 07:45 then see set_cost() same file, that calls the first function when the player sells to the shopkeeper 07:46 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3374 (0:43:40) 07:46 exception to that is when selling to izchak 07:47 i started looking at altar sac stuff last night. then got sleepy, so i didnt do anything 07:47 thanks K2, my mistake, I hardly ever price-id, so on those few occasions they must have been races that didn't change their prices for me 07:48 K2 I had another idea: don't gift stuff the player already has in open inventory or in containers in inventory 07:48 FYI, there were some slight adjustments to gnome and nymph shopkeeper prices 07:48 for 0.8.4 07:49 mobileuser that could wind up being bad 07:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a gnoll witherling, on T:6978 (1:06:38) 07:49 say you'd like a better long sword than the one you're currently wielding 07:49 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:33444 (14:00:00) 07:50 ...then you drop the long sword you are wielding 07:51 brb 07:51 but if you're krm26 you'll forget 07:51 lol 07:51 and then get pissed becaue you forgot 07:51 but maybe it would be too OP 07:52 i'm still thinking about what i want to do 07:52 just collect junk weapons that you don't want to get gifted 07:52 any change here has significant balance changes 07:52 yeah, tough one 07:53 at least the daggers I keep getting are stacking :-P 07:53 one thing i did notice - in pray.c the comments talk about not being gifted a weapon you arent proficient in, but that's no longer true for wizards 07:53 easy enough fix 07:54 mobileuser lol 07:54 daggers of EXCELLENCE 07:54 \o/ 07:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:64, killed by a newt 07:58 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:11 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 08:12 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14 -!- malor_ has joined #evilhack 08:24 -!- malor_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:24 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 08:29 "The dwarf queen wields a steel broad pick!" the theme continues 08:31 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 08:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a scale mail entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:37003 (19:51:58) 08:32 "The globs of brown pudding coalesce inside your pack." nice, a first-time-for-me message 08:32 heh neat 08:33 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed ocnda's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:6955 (1:30:57) 08:36 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed DragonSidedD's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:7210 (1:33:45) 08:36 "The Aleax swings her silver heavy mace named Demonbane." nice stroke of luck 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a pair of low boots entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:37209 (19:59:40) 08:51 just had an idea 08:52 if you havent completed your quest yet --> j - the uncursed Bell of Opening (locked) (0:3) (10 aum) 08:52 or something other than 'locked' 08:52 point is, some type of indicator 08:52 that you cant use it yet for the invocation 08:52 Ahuh o: 08:54 notnotlocked 09:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5338 (0:04:58) 09:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 184 points, T:5407, killed by a dart, while sleeping 09:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:15, killed by contaminated water 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1268 (0:15:20) 09:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 57 points, T:3477, killed by a jackal 09:25 https://ibb.co/26QpMbc 09:25 A very bad start, but the ring inside Goblin King is slow digestion :P. 09:25 15 Int Wizard is so awful. 09:30 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Jared's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:1520 (0:08:47) 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3096 (0:16:56) 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3182 (0:17:56) 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4305 (0:26:17) 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class N), on T:4929 (0:30:09) 10:16 -!- botifico has joined #evilhack 10:16 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/47d3518f3930...b0553523f0f9 10:16 [EvilHack] k21971 b055352 - Show in inventory if the Bell of Opening can't be used (quest not complete). 10:31 nice 10:31 \o/ 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:9060 (1:10:50) 10:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:38 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9347 (1:16:22) 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:9483 (1:18:22) 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:7032 (1:41:34) 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class U, on T:10195 (1:26:36) 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Jared's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:10295 (1:27:08) 10:51 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:10603 (1:29:30) 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:7628 (1:51:58) 11:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:19 oh wow krm26 bones.... I don't see that very often 11:19 deep too... Maybe i finally get a BoH (if i survive) ? 11:21 hopefully he liked choked to death or something dumb that isn't going to immediately kill me as well... 11:22 it's looking like it's this game? https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1720871075.evil.html 11:24 no free action i guess 11:25 boh and a lamp, and at least it takes vorpal blade and magicbane out of the game (assuming his ghost doesn't kill me with them lol) 11:27 I forget how this works... Will he be a spectre with all that stuff in the bag of holding and he gets to use it or will it be in a pile? 11:28 -!- jonadab has quit [Server closed connection] 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a spellbook of confuse monster given to her by Lolth, on T:10164 (2:21:58) 11:28 -!- jonadab has joined #evilhack 11:28 giant centipede and a sea dragon wtf 11:29 oh and this kirin just followed me and took my stash 11:30 where is my shit?!?!? the kirin clearly picked it all up and then i killed it 11:31 my stuff got scattered somehow 11:31 did the Kirin somehow explode his BoH? 11:31 maybe it put magicbane in the BoH?!?! 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:10427 (2:25:34) 11:31 i'm gonna be pissed if that happened lol 11:32 that's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen if that's what happened 11:32 but i don't see how MY stuff would be scattered 11:33 this is so fucking weird 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed krm26's ghost, the former Medica ossium, on T:53197 (12:47:58) 11:36 that kirin probably rubbed the fucking lamp too 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1014 points, T:2073, killed by a crossbow bolt 11:37 kirin don't have hands to do all that iirc 11:38 <@loggers_viii> yeah kirin are like unicorns 11:39 well something fucking happened. I can't find the boh or lamp but stuff that wasn't mine is scattered 11:39 can you see invisible? 11:39 and magicbane, which he had is suspect 11:39 maybe the ghost did it 11:39 my thought was "invis monster put Mbane in" but you typically play monk and have see invis 11:39 it's probably unintended behavior 11:39 so possibly the ghost 11:40 <@loggers_viii> watch the ttyrec maybe 11:40 that doesn't mean shit. I lose see invisible all the time despite being a monk because evil 11:40 and no one cares about fixing it 11:40 <@loggers_viii> monk’s starting see invis is intentionally losable 11:40 ok 11:40 <@loggers_viii> if you want permanent see invis get crowned 11:41 . I wasn't really complaining about it. Just saying it doesn't really mean anything to be monk in evil as far as that goes 11:41 i just want the bag of holding. don't really care about all the shit the ghost destroyed including the weapons... glad to have vorpal out of the game 11:43 <@loggers_viii> well since you said no one cared about ‘fixing’ it I figured I’d clarify it’s not considered as something to fix 11:43 <@loggers_viii> I sort of wish it was permanent, though. Imagine meditating in a mountain for years to open your inner eye or whatever just to step on a random trap and get it taken from you 11:43 ahh it was under a boulder (forgot he was giant) 11:46 oh shit. HoB too. sweet 11:51 lol 11:52 it sucks because i have telitis but i'm only lvl 16 so i keep teleporting lol (monks get control at 17) 11:53 i can't go up the stairs because it's medusa titan level and i dug down... I 11:53 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 11:54 ab terrapin 11:58 ab Umbire 12:00 useful bell of opening commit! 12:00 'locked' does seem a bit off for a bell though. what about 'mute(d)' or 'dampened'? 12:01 ah you found my bones rebatela, enjoy 12:02 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 12:02 thanks! I'm trying to ! I keep uncontrolled teplorting around as I'm trying to cancel your bohj 12:02 there is a ring of teleport control in that bag 12:02 i'm gonna try to get out of here and come back when i gain a level or just get another tel control ring 12:03 terrapin, code question: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Blindness#Internals 12:04 the game apparently recognizes 3 forms of blindness, which would being blind from birth (i.e. zen via OPTION=blind) be considered? 12:04 blindly read a cursed teleport and went to dl 2.... that'll work for now lol 12:05 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:05 YES!!! just ate a wraith (of course after i teleported out to DL 2) but now i'm 17, when monks get control 12:08 and I can also assume that being blind from birth persists across polyforms 12:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 687 points, T:2144, poisoned by a stone dart 12:16 why no fountains at all in goblin town? 12:16 But they have a forge?!?!? 12:16 What do they drink? 12:17 lava 12:18 krm26: i thought that giant centipede (or one of the sea dargons) was gonna kill me 12:18 I had magical breathing so i wasn't all that worried about the D, but those fucking centipedes can HIT 12:18 I had to teleport the thing away a couple times while i got my bearings 12:19 Hey Noisytoot 12:19 happen to know the answer to the above? 12:20 also I forget if *dnh has OPTIONS=blind 12:21 i really need to put this damn pickaxe away... 12:25 *dnh does not have OPTIONS=blind 12:26 Alright 12:26 do you still happen to know which form of blindness being blind from that option counts as in vanilla (3.6.7)? 12:27 I don't know, except that it's not creamed (you can't wipe it off with a towel) 12:28 yeah it's either blind or blinded 12:29 oh duh, it's blind 12:29 had a tab up already but ty 12:39 the wiki's distinctions are misleading, i think 12:44 yeah I'm trying to update that article 12:44 so any help clearing up those distinctions is appreciated 12:46 yeah i guess the thing i don't like about it is that the last "Blind" one isn't really its own category (as i'm sure you see in the code you were looking at) 12:48 it's a subset of "blinded", yeah? 12:48 or like 12:48 idk 12:49 if i had to make categories, i'd say: creamed, otherwise blinded (archon gaze, being eyeless, maybe other things?), blindfolded, zen, enshelled tortle (if Evil) 12:49 it's "blinded but indefinite" rather 12:49 would that be a good way to define it? 12:50 also I'm sticking to verifying vanilla before I branch into any variant stuff, feels like the sensible thing to do 12:50 and then "Blind" is just "one or more of those categories, and not wearing EotO" (read "actually blind, for real") 12:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4 points, T:14, killed by a water elemental 12:51 hmmmmmm 12:52 each of the categories has its own quirks (creamed->can wipe off, otherwise blind->unihorn, blindfolded->unblindfold yourself, zen->you're just like that, (enshelled->#monster)) 12:53 but of course all can be negated by EotO and that's what Blind is for 12:54 by astral vision specifically, I'm treating the property as distinct from the artifact 12:54 in practice you can't have astral vision with a blindfold but that's because the only source of it is a set of lenses and there's only one eyes slot 12:55 rather than something with the property itself 12:56 in vanilla sure 12:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:57 exactly 12:58 in other variants with diff. sources (dnh is usually a good benchmark for that) it'd override the blindfold too is my wager 13:00 in evil the negating-blindness is specifically an EotO thing. other astral vision (eye of vecna) is blocked by any form of blindness 13:00 without necessarily changing astral vision itself 13:00 huh. 13:00 hmmmm 13:01 so i guess i'm saying i definitely agree that astral vision should be treated separately from the artifact, but also because at least in evil there is a mechanical difference as well 13:02 yeah we agree on that, just trying to be certain on astral vision overriding blindfolded state 13:02 in spef. vanilla 13:03 astral vision does not override blindfolds in dnh 13:03 it'd be really annoying if it did 13:03 I think dantalion is the only form of blindness resistance that does override blindfolds in dnh 13:03 s/spef./specifically 13:04 it looks like in vanilla they use u.uprops[BLINDED].blocked to override blindness 13:04 mechanically this is like mummy wrappings override invis 13:05 it is entirely separate from astral vision---hypothetically you could have equipment that grants either one without granting the other 13:05 it just happens the EotO is the only vanilla thing that does either astral vision or blindness overriding, and it happens to do both 13:06 ...and now i'm wondering why evilhack doesn't use uprops[BLINDED].extrinsic/blocked, because it makes so much sense 13:07 i guess it was overhauled after evil forked 13:08 mhm 13:14 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2126 points, T:4100, killed by a giant ant 13:24 terrapin, guessing that means zen blindness persists across polymorph forms for sure then? 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had a spellbook of healing given to him by Lolth, on T:28003 (5:02:36) 13:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:51481 (20:54:41) 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4121 (0:26:58) 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) murdered his faithful elder pseudodragon, on T:4296 (0:27:47) 13:35 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a mountain nymph corpse on an altar of Lolth, on T:4515 (0:28:47) 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:4838 (0:31:54) 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:4957 (0:35:51) 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:7725 (2:52:53) 14:04 Umbire yup 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:14054 (2:25:18) 14:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had a spellbook of remove curse given to him by Hermes, on T:52292 (23:22:29) 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a leather cloak of invisibility entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:14953 (2:37:13) 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:15052 (2:39:13) 15:03 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:7854 (0:59:13) 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a staff of healing entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:15412 (2:54:09) 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a staff of war entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:15528 (2:56:30) 15:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:53576 (23:50:43) 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a storm giant, on T:16452 (3:04:11) 15:29 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:30 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3460 (1:26:02) 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had a spellbook of dig given to him by Lolth, on T:30310 (5:21:53) 15:46 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) used a forge to create Shadowblade, on T:11724 (1:25:03) 15:46 <@loggers_viii> it’s kind of mean that trying to genocide a monster that’s protected by a boss (liches, beholders, vampires) before you’ve killed the boss destroys the scroll 15:47 <@loggers_viii> bit of a ‘gotcha’ for unspoiled/new players 16:07 -!- Frozty has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:33 educational moment for  unspoiled/new players :-) 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:53480 (21:54:42) 16:36 You succeed in opening the tin.  It smells like infidels. 16:36 lol 16:36 what does an infidel smell like 16:38 <@malorpower> there is a stack of problems an unspoiled player would have. That's one. 16:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:54907 (1 day, 0:12:39) 16:39 shame I have no broad sword skill 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 30764 points, T:15356, killed by a fell beast 16:50 it feels very wrong to sac a nurse corpse as healer 16:52 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:12354 (5:37:25) 16:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1266320 points, T:54067, killed by a magic missile 17:31 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:32 <@loggers_viii> I suppose I wouldn’t mind the genocide thing as a “learning moment” if there was any interesting gameplay associated with it at all, but there isn’t 17:39 <@loggers_viii> I’m generally against features that just punish players for not knowing every little thing about the game, but this one is especially lame to me because there’s no way to intuit which monsters are protected by bosses. you just are required to waste genocide scrolls to figure it out, there’s no level of skill that makes it avoidable. 17:40 <@loggers_viii> though of course everyone’s spoiled nowadays anyway :P 17:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Lolth, on T:37110 (6:13:56) 17:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1724 (0:14:40) 17:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 342 points, T:1118, killed by a coyote, while praying 18:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2359 (0:24:19) 18:17 @loggers_viii smh 18:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:4022 (1:41:47) 18:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 9423 points, T:5673, poisoned by a jumping spider 18:59 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6669 (1:24:22) 19:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 3781 points, T:5437, quit 19:05 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 1239 points, T:1648, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:06 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:763, killed by a system shock 19:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Hum Fem Law), 137 points, T:716, killed by a crossbow bolt 19:14 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:34085 (14:32:55) 19:16 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:8422 (1:41:11) 19:16 <@fubaz> How can i get my master mind flayer pet to stop attacking Izchak and refusing to leave space next to doorway 19:16 <@fubaz> No leash 19:17 magic whistle 19:17 blessed eucalyptus 19:17 kill it 19:17 zap teleport at them and somehow hit nothing else in izchak's shop (or be prepared to pay for them) 19:18 that seems like a self-solving problem! 19:19 i don't want to possibly spoil anything, but eventually i imagine the mmf will stop attacking or izchak will stop it 19:20 <@fubaz> I have none of those, but i do have a poly control ring and wand of polymorph — thinking of turning into corn 19:20 <@fubaz> *xorn 19:20 <@fubaz> And then digging without stealing 19:20 <@fubaz> Have a couple of rings to eat too i think 19:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had a chain mail entrusted to her by Anu, on T:1330 (0:07:21) 19:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonbane", on T:37216 (20:01:56) 19:24 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:8942 (2:23:27) 19:25 <@loggers_viii> you can use a leash to get them away from the door i think 19:27 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:9317 (1:52:47) 19:28 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 8593 points, T:9344, killed by a piranha 19:28 <@fubaz> That worked. I don’t have a leash or I would use it. Really don’t want a fully armored hostile master mind flayer ambling about 19:47 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the invisible Neferet the Green, on T:35036 (15:06:24) 20:20 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:12978 (3:20:03) 20:31 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 15346 points, T:13786, killed by an elder minotaur 20:36 !lastgame 20:36 K2: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dedal/evilhack/dumplog/1721237560.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/f/fubaz/evilhack/dumplog/1721101054.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Unga/evilhack/dumplog/1721257416.evil.html 20:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:7057 (1:22:22) 20:37 ah damn, unlucky polytrap 20:41 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 6546 points, T:7453, quit 20:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:3310 (0:30:31) 20:48 -!- sludge_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48 -!- sludge_ has joined #evilhack 20:57 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59 <@fubaz> I was careless, tried zapping WoD just to have it disintegrate and tried to climb the upstairs 20:59 <@fubaz> Should have used sleep wand 21:02 <@fubaz> Could have genocided for that matter 21:09 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:20984 (3:58:12) 21:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 719 points, T:2486, killed by a giant bat 21:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1736 points, T:2366, quit 21:13 <@loggers_viii> I think elder Minotaurs are ungenocidable 21:13 <@loggers_viii> could be wrong 21:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1117 (0:05:54) 21:19 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:22213 (4:08:10) 21:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 668 points, T:1506, killed by the Goblin King 21:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:36, killed by a fox 21:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 3 points, T:71, killed by a boulder 21:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 0 points, T:27, killed by drinking molten lava 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3575 (0:52:24) 21:28 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 21:31 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 720 points, T:3975, killed by an orc zombie 21:33 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:33 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class Q, on T:22771 (4:22:02) 21:36 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 21:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 227 points, T:1527, killed by a giant bat 21:41 <@fubaz> How much damage do fire/frost/lightning egos add? 21:43 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 183489 points, T:23370, quit 21:46 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Mal Neu) had a long sword entrusted to him by Mog, on T:9699 (2:25:44) 21:56 egos? 21:57 you mean obj property? 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1016 points, T:3091, killed by the Goblin King 21:58 Yeah, some games call it an egotype 21:58 like I think the *bands? 22:09 <@loggers_viii> All of them do 1d5+3 22:21 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 22:36 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had a leather cloak of protection entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:3846 (0:38:35) 22:43 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1456 points, T:4095, killed by Ms. Ossipewsk; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 22:44 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 48 points, T:229, killed by a fox 23:01 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 897 points, T:2161, killed by a hobbit zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 23:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:31 -!- Demo has quit [Server closed connection] 23:31 -!- Demo has joined #evilhack 23:48 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack