00:01 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 00:04 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2953 (0:26:33) 00:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9629 (1:24:29) 00:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 14255 points, T:10982, zombified by a human zombie 00:40 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [Server closed connection] 00:40 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #evilhack 01:00 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 01:01 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:14773 (6:42:30) 01:07 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 01:10 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 01:14 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 01:24 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:32 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 01:37 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:16138 (7:18:10) 01:38 got the right door! 01:38 tinklebear: Message from K2 at 2024-07-15 08:21 EDT: if you discover a bug, please !tell me or at least ping me so I dont miss it. thanks! 01:39 Do you not quaff-test for object detection? 01:40 Or however you normally ID stuff, I'm genuinely not fully initiated with your playstyle 01:40 under hallu, object detection is not especially useful unless you're looking for vaults 01:41 quaffing it revealed to me that the prizes were "a set of shimmering dragon scales", "a gem", and "a ring" 01:41 I chose the ring, hoping for a marker 01:42 and I got one! 01:45 as for how I ID stuff, I do a lot of guessing and "use-testing", but I price ID all kinds of stuff if it's convenient to do so 01:45 this game I've discovered, through use, an awful lot of cursed armor 01:45 :D 01:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Val Hum Fem Neu), 519 points, T:1842, killed by a large spider 01:46 other items, too, but armor most of all 01:51 Oh, well duh 01:51 Shows what I pay attention to lmao 01:52 those dragon scales were tempting, though. they almost suckered me! 01:54 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 01:56 Heh 01:57 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 02:04 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 02:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:20 -!- Jared__ has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:02 "The beholder magically gathers up some gold." that's a new one to me... 03:06 ah they like gold and have no hands 03:16 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful wolf, on T:63449 (1 day, 4:52:12) 03:18 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20 News to me too, neato 03:21 spooky 03:22 mobileuser, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wOgtUvZ9xc 03:23 heheh 03:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became permanently transformed into a spectre, on T:63761 (1 day, 5:17:36) 03:46 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest1226 03:46 -!- Guest1226 has quit [Killed (calcium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 03:46 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:49 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 03:54 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:64451 (1 day, 5:34:00) 04:06 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 04:07 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 bone gauntlets of protection", on T:32537 (12:44:24) 04:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:64672 (1 day, 5:45:31) 04:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 396368 points, T:64677, quit 04:11 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:14 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 04:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1716 (0:18:04) 04:30 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 04:56 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2180 (0:45:15) 05:08 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 05:09 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 05:10 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 05:11 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 05:39 -!- malor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:43 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 06:02 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 06:37 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:40 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:47 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:49 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 06:52 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 06:57 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 07:02 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:10 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 07:30 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:31 -!- Noisytoot is now known as Guest7326 07:31 -!- Guest7326 has quit [Killed (lithium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 07:31 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 07:45 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:33672 (4:13:17) 07:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:49 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 07:51 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:57 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 07:57 <@xdminsy> Ah a Xorn drops a iron safe but I don't have a stethoscope. 07:57 <@xdminsy> While another xorn eats the iron safe and 3 spellbooks spit out and one is polymorph. 07:58 <@xdminsy> I'd just break polypileless for convenience. 😄 07:59 lol 08:01 downstairs in a mind flayer nursery, I'm very proud of the way my giant has managed to surround the stairs with boulders by clever throwing :-P 08:02 <@xdminsy> How clever. 08:03 <@xdminsy> Is there way to throw a boulder at only 1 square far? 08:13 no, but you can aim at monsters 08:15 <@xdminsy> Oh I see. 08:20 \o/ 08:32 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:39 are you playing permadeaf xdminsy? 08:41 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 08:44 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53 "You freed me!" 08:53 urgh 08:54 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 08:58 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 09:05 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 09:07 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:14 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 09:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:35884 (17:02:37) 09:16 first the feeling of hope after "An object appears at your feet!" and then the disappointment 09:16 you love that dagger 09:17 20.000 turns ago I would have, yes :-) 09:17 LOVE IT 09:17 WOULD HAVE LOVED IT 09:17 lol 09:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:26 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) ate for the first time - jackal, on T:6006 (0:06:01) 09:26 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 80 points, T:6596, killed by a kobold 09:27 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:41 <@xdminsy> Ah yes. 09:41 <@xdminsy> It's simply because it's kinda free conduct for +1 conduct number. 09:42 <@xdminsy> But I can't hear the boom when rodney comes. 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:35662 (5:42:14) 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a wooden helm of brilliance entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:35819 (5:43:49) 09:51 ab 09:51 <@xdminsy> ab umbire. 09:52 K2 it is a blessed dagger of excellence 09:53 LOVE IT :-P 09:53 \o/ 10:06 The shambling horror stole the blessed +1 Vorpal Blade 10:06 oh that's going just great 10:07 <@xdminsy> Fight it with dagger of excellence :P. 10:07 -!- terrapin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07 <@xdminsy> It will be charmed by you. 10:08 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 10:14 heheh 10:14 it's a digger, I had to chase it all over the level 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 266784 points, T:37402, killed by a nurse 10:14 <@xdminsy> heh I forget to unwiled Magicbane and pressing dot. 10:15 F :-( 10:16 Can fly, jump, dig. 6d6 weapon steal item, 4d4 touch stun, 4d3 bite create pit, 5d5 sting confuse 10:16 <@xdminsy> Sounds so terrible. 10:17 <@xdminsy> Finger of death it :P. 10:19 <@xdminsy> So after this death, I adds MSGTYPE=stop "The nurse hits!". 10:19 <@xdminsy> Make it unique death. 10:20 <@xdminsy> Next time I pressing dot while nurse dancing won't kill me. 10:27 <@malorpower> why does pressing dot with Magicbane potentially kill you? 10:28 he was wielding it while nurse dancing 10:28 pressing dot, expecting to get more hit points 10:29 instead, killed 10:31 <@xdminsy> Heh yes, too careless. 10:32 <@xdminsy> Actually I noticed my HP was decreasing and released dot, but not sure why I press it again unintentionally. 10:34 btw, I always have to alternate between dot and space because of the ---more--- message, but I guess in curses you don't have to 10:35 <@xdminsy> Yes, only if a lot of messages together it requires ---more---. 10:35 <@xdminsy> More alerts will prevent more of my stupid carelessness 😛 10:37 <@xdminsy> I check that I have 224 MSGTYPE=alert now.. 10:47 heh 10:47 that is... a lot 10:55 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:57 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:37322 (17:52:09) 11:11 here we go again :-P 11:11 LOVING IT 11:29 -!- bouquet has quit [Server closed connection] 11:29 -!- bouquet has joined #evilhack 11:36 :P 11:37 need fooood 11:38 ab K2 11:44 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:608 (0:02:37) 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 290 points, T:612, killed by a piranha 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1041 points, T:1322, killed by an arch-lich 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Kni Dro Fem Cha), 1182 points, T:1857, killed by a dwarf queen 12:01 <@malorpower> what does "ab" mean? 12:03 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?4238 12:05 <@malorpower> intersting. I'll stick with just never greeting people 🙂 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2274 (0:13:21) 12:19 bah! i don't like losing my mental acuity.... 12:19 ya kill a few shopkeeps and guards and all of a sudden i can't see when i close my eyes? 12:21 usually i learn detect monster spell 12:21 oh that's a question i have about evilhack/wiki... 12:21 is there some place i can read about all those little things that have changed? 12:22 like i feel like detect monster, sleep, charm have all changed spell levels... and that's off the top of my head 12:22 nothing against the changes, but do i basically have to read the source code? 12:23 I have a marker that is 0:99... But still, it's quite a difference trying to write a spellbook as a non wizard fif it's a level one spell or a level two spell 12:23 or a level 3 spell 12:23 the main wiki page on Evilhack is pretty good and up-to-date 12:23 for spells in particular: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Spellbooks 12:23 like isn't charm lvl 3 in vanilla? and it becomes 5 in evil... but if you look at the magic marker wiki it doesn't list any of those changes 12:24 sleep is super easy to write in vanilla 12:24 and probably TOO easy... I'll give him that 12:25 eventually the changes add up though and the wiki becomes just wrong for the variant 12:26 i think det monsters is lvl 1 in vanilla (i'm debating trying to write it, hence this thoughtr process_ 12:26 but if it's level 3 i'm not gonna bother. and I just don't remember 12:28 i write magic missile with max luck all the time, but that's lvl 2 and about as high as i'll go 12:28 det monster and sleep both used to be 1 12:29 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 6309 points, T:4218, killed by a dark elven watch captain 12:29 I might be the only person who writes spellbooks though 12:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1911 (0:13:18) 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 1196 points, T:1603, killed by an arch-lich 12:48 oh heh yeah detect monsters is lvl 2 now, so i guess that's a lil' out of date 12:50 but in general Umbire and others do a whole lot of work to keep it pretty current 12:50 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:51 yeah i'm not blaming them 12:52 it's just completely unreliable. it's not just detect monsters... I have like 5 spellbooks and i have price id'd them and you try to eliminate what they might be but now there are not only new spells but spells that have changed level and it becomes almost impossible to do 12:53 yeah i can see how that would be frustrating 12:53 and yeah, the people volunteering their time i would never be mad at! 12:53 The object lookup shows the spellbook level 12:54 but sometimes they either don't play the game much and are just into the study of the game, or maybe they never cast spells so they spend their efforts on something else. It's just the nature of it 12:54 hackemslashem: oh ok thanks! 12:54 omg hi hackemslashem! 12:55 hehe hey 12:55 how're things? 12:56 hi hackemslashem 12:57 Pretty good, just helping malor get hackem running and stuff 12:58 Looks like you evil guys have been busy! 12:58 nice 12:59 evil never sleeps! 13:00 that feels like a quote from somewhere but now i can't actually think of where it would be from 13:00 Hmmm, Slayer maybe? no, that's "Hell Awaits" 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:42954 (10:29:10) 13:06 Still a lot of pre-1.3 Hack'EM stuff that never got properly addressed 13:06 radical changes between "lesser"(?) versions didn't help unfortunately 13:07 with that in mind lemme grab a proper (late) breakfast and see what I can focus on 13:14 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:45155 (10:46:59) 13:27 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest428 13:27 -!- Guest428 has quit [Killed (calcium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 13:27 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:29 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:29 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:640 (0:02:59) 13:47 terrapin: You may be thinking of "There is evil there that does not sleep" (from LOTR) 13:48 Although the idea of evil that does not sleep is somewhat older, that is the most famous source I know that phrases it that way. 13:49 Earlier sources e.g. refer to wicked people who "cannot sleep until they do evil". 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2576 (0:15:54) 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a warg corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:3501 (0:24:58) 14:06 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 18 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3609 (0:28:40) 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a bone helm of speed entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3707 (0:31:13) 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4326 (0:42:23) 14:21 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a staff of war entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4380 (0:43:53) 14:25 -!- nabru has quit [Server closed connection] 14:25 -!- nabru has joined #evilhack 14:32 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 14:36 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5620 (0:59:18) 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had 19 shuriken entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:50571 (11:59:16) 14:39 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1800 (0:10:39) 14:46 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a staff of divination entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:6422 (1:08:15) 14:48 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/1e07f91a9577...241c763bc0a8 14:48 [EvilHack] k21971 241c763 - Additional feedback when damaging monsters vulnerable to elemental damage. 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2146 (0:16:40) 14:53 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 33272 points, T:7409, killed by the Oracle, while paralyzed by a monster 14:58 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 14:58 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 15:00 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:01 K2: In current game I just experienced unusual phenomena upon reading confused blessed remove curse 15:03 weird thing number one: formally-known-to-be uncursed items in inventory are still KNOWN to be uncursed 15:04 weird thing number two: a formally known-to-be cursed item that was on the floor when I read the scroll, is now NOT formally known-to-be cursed 15:05 (it is conceivable that I am mistaken about weird thing number two, but I'm pretty sure I'm not mistaken) 15:06 The circumstances were like so: 15:07 permahallu, in sokoban, standing on the magic chest square... 15:07 ...and apparently dual-wielding... 15:07 ...since after the reading my offhand weapon "slipped from [my] hand" 15:07 tinklebear, I havent changed one bit how reading confused blessed remove curse behaves in evilhack vs vanilla. so how it acts here would be the same in regular nethack. i'd consult the wiki to see what it has to say about that behavior 15:08 and of course ended up on the floor 15:08 and my experience doing just that (reading blessed scroll of remove curse while confused) is very limited 15:09 well, then I guess the vanilla devs will be interested 15:09 anyways, the two "weird" things are definitely weird. 15:09 it should remove BUC identification on your entire open inventory (says wiki) 15:10 it should indeed. the wiki is not wrong about that 15:11 so just maybe something weird is going on when standing on a magic chest? deserves testing. 15:12 I suppose that is possible 15:12 tinklebear thank you for pinging me this time :P 15:12 no problem, K2 15:12 dunno if you noticed, fixed the bug you reported about cpt caveman not doing any damage to your steed 15:13 yes, I did. glad it was a real bug, not just a fluke 15:14 that bug had been around for a bit 15:14 surprised no one noticed sooner 15:14 heh 15:14 wanna see what I am working on right now? 15:14 sure 15:15 https://termbin.com/bjri 15:15 ^ obj price is adjusted if eroded 15:15 both buying and selling 15:15 oh wow 15:16 sell price for those 4 is 5/4/3/2 (not eroded to thoroughly eroded) 15:16 *sell to shopkeeper 15:17 pretty cool. I guess shopkeepers still can't see charges, though, right? 15:17 i am very surprised that this isn;t already a thing in vanilla nethack 15:17 no they can't, havent messed with that bit 15:17 does it account for multiple erosion types or no 15:18 it will 15:18 i.e. burnt and rotted, rusted and corroded 15:18 meaning if you have an object that is rusted and corroded, the price will really be affected 15:18 it makes a lot of sense in a variant where erosion can destroy the item! 15:18 would make sense in general too, of course 15:18 yeah 15:19 in 3.7 (and evilhack) objects can randomly spawn eroded, fooproofed, or even greased 15:19 after i push this, I'll run it by paxed and see if he wants it for 3.7 15:20 nice nice 15:27 Shopkeeper's union will be demanding concessions due to increased appraisal duties 15:32 FWIW, there's a third strange thing: reading the scroll appears to have changed the BUC of items that were on the floor 15:34 (ie, the informally known-to-be uncursed potion of water I left on the floor is now cursed, as is the BoH which I'm pretty sure I was not carrying, but had left on the floor) 15:36 here's a good example - https://termbin.com/wy7m 15:36 my cha is 12 (normal), shopkeeper is human and i'm human 15:36 so all prices in this shop are base price 15:36 a regular +0 long sword base price is 15 zm 15:36 you can see how levels of erosion or fooproofing effects price 15:37 i'll throw in corroded and rusted + corroded 15:37 fooproofing matters. nice 15:38 yeah fooproof doubles the value 15:38 for each level of erosion it decreases value by 1.5/2/3 times 15:43 https://termbin.com/8r9fa 15:43 heh 15:44 thoroughly rusted thoroughly corroded long sword sells for 1 zm 15:44 but it's an antique! 15:45 there is no age for long swords 15:45 just corpses 15:45 ... 15:45 YANI: all objects have an age, not just corpses. the oldeer an object, the more its worth 15:45 *older 15:49 <@nabru> yay! vintage wands 15:56 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/241c763bc0a8...47d3518f3930 15:56 [EvilHack] k21971 47d3518 - Levels of erosion on an object can affect its price. 16:05 latest commits are live 16:12 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 16:23 heya 16:25 did the new wizard force bolt power cost go up? I thought it only consumed 1 power now? 16:26 my force bolts are consuming 3. 16:27 yes 16:27 still 1 at basic skill 16:27 2 at skilled 16:27 3 at expert 16:27 needed to reign that in a bit 16:27 you're still OP, dont worry 16:28 :p <- my worried face 16:31 heh 16:47 if you have 1/2 pw left and are skilled/expert you should be able to cast it as if you had a lower skill level so having a higher skill level isn't bad 16:57 no 16:57 you'd have to do that for all spells at skilled/expert 16:58 Noisytoot: the power cost of a spell that costs less than any other spell is bad now? 16:58 help me understand 16:59 (I am half kidding, but maybe my point is clear) 17:02 tbh, my wizard was flying through the early game like a giant samurai so maybe it was a bit OP. Now it's back to playing conservatively. 17:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 17:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had a staff of war entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:38691 (18:33:54) 17:12 however, I did REALLY liked it with the 1pw force bolt no matter skill. 17:12 cost for other spells doesn't scale with skill level 17:12 tinklebear: 1pw basic force bolt > 3pw expert force bolt if you only have 1 or 2 pw left 17:13 meaning expert is in some ways worse than basic 17:13 3pw is still less than any other spell. which is ...good 17:13 but of course I do understand what you are saying 17:14 by the time you reach expert skill in attack spells as a wizard, you're regenerating power at a pretty good rate, even without the EotA 17:14 I'm not 17:15 3 points per cast is still generous 17:15 well you're broken somehow bouquet, fix yourself 17:15 that's how I noticed the extra power draw. I ran out of power an had to punch goblins 17:15 :P 17:16 ugh more t-storms 17:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:38916 (18:40:09) 17:16 yay, another dagger! 17:18 heh 17:18 i've been thinking about this for awhile now. i think it's time to revamp altar sac gifts 17:19 if you make it so the game tracks what you've been gifted already, that would prob break saves 17:19 adding a new bitfield 17:20 hmm 17:20 Noisytoot: on the rare occasions I play a role that can get skilled in attack spells, I don't like to advance past basic because I prefer rays to bombardments 17:20 would like to make it better without breaking saves tho 17:21 K2 another tweak could be the range of XL and gift options, XL 26 is pretty far away for 100% artifact gifts 17:21 tinklebear: several spells that switch from ray to area of effect, you get the option to pick at skilled/expert 17:21 mobileuser yeah i was thinking about that 17:22 oh, new optionality. interesting. it's been a while! 17:22 tinklebear yeah it's been a thing for quite some time 17:22 it'd be nice if armor and weapon quality increased with level, but starting early so a lvl 10 can get some dragonhide armor of decay or something 17:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:24 tinklebear - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/78e112c5cab1a99359682a5bb200aaab97a5c98c 17:24 ^ been a thing since version 0.6.0 17:25 wooo almost 4 yrs ago 17:25 bouquet the material and obj prop is completely random 17:28 neat 17:30 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Quit: generic quit message] 17:31 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 17:31 invisible trolls leave corpses that revive as invisible trolls 17:31 sounds legit 17:31 so if I turn a lizard invisible, and then kill it... 17:31 and its corpse stacks with my existing lizards (which it does, apparently)... 17:31 do I now have three (for example) invisible lizard corpses? 17:32 seems like I must! 17:33 wild. I once had two seemingly identical lizard corpses that wouldn't stack. 17:34 * tinklebear just dusted an undead turning wand in an unsuccessful attempted experiment 17:34 heh 17:34 no charges :( 17:34 i remember invisible objects in grunthack, which I think got that from slashem 17:35 i hated that 17:35 spellbooks of invisibility were always invisible, so if you couldnt see invis, you couldnt read it 17:35 lol 17:35 heh 17:36 there was no redeeming value to invis objects that I could see 17:36 get it... ee? 17:36 see 17:36 hahahaha 17:36 ... 17:36 i know right? 17:36 does anyone actually cast "invisible"? 17:36 not me 17:36 rarely i would imagine 17:36 i only ever read it on purpose if i need a junk spell for confusion later on 17:37 <@loggers_viii> invisible is terrible, I don’t think anyone uses it 17:38 I'm sure there is someone who just loves it 17:40 * tinklebear is trying hard to think of why they would 17:40 maybe if it made one truly invisible, even monsters with "see invisible" couldn't see you. 17:40 <@loggers_viii> it being level 4 is completely insane 17:41 if cast at expert or something 17:41 if it were directional, I would have a use for it 17:41 I think the spell only lasts for a very short time? I usually just use the invisibility wand, works much longer. 17:41 see invis cant see invis? what 17:42 oh, they cast the spell 'no really, I'm invisible' 17:42 what do words mean 17:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:44 <@loggers_viii> the best thing to do with the invisibility spell is remove it and add something people will actually use :p 17:44 like detect food 17:44 got it 17:44 great idea loggers 17:44 everyone, loggers wants detect food 17:44 :P 17:44 <@loggers_viii> there’s already more sources of invis than basically anything else anyway. Cloak, potion, wand, intrinsic from eating
 17:45 as far as thievery and rogues are concerned, being invis helps a lot with theft chances 17:45 <@loggers_viii> please add “detect seafood” that only detects ; and kelp 17:45 lol 17:45 'detect red lobster' 17:46 <@loggers_viii> heheh 17:52 HAHA! 17:53 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3462 (0:07:21) 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3984 (0:07:51) 18:01 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11465 (2:12:34) 18:46 making the spell lower level would go miles towards it being actually used, even if only slightly more 18:46 esp. with what vanilla's doing re: fewer perma-invis sources 18:55 "You feel like... so chill." 18:56 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:6609 (0:20:18) 18:56 I don't remember that one. I think it might be different from what it used to be? 19:01 <@loggers_viii> maybe that’s one of the partial resistance messages (you feel moderately more chill, you feel slightly more chill, etc) and since those aren’t in vanilla you’ve never seen it 19:03 <@loggers_viii> oh, apparently there just aren’t special hallucinatory messages for gaining cold resistance in vanilla? that’s strange 19:03 I think it was the 100% resistance message for fire 19:04 the hallu counterpart to "completely chilled" 19:05 <@loggers_viii> yeah probably 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:13488 (2:35:02) 19:21 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:14457 (0:45:13) 19:27 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 154342 points, T:31504, suffocated by a gelatinous cube 19:28 death by... bad internet connection 19:28 :( 19:30 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 6290 points, T:5592, killed by the Goblin King, while fainted from lack of food 19:35 F 19:36 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a platinum amulet of reflection, on T:16308 (1:00:27) 19:38 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:38 -!- Noisytoot_ has joined #evilhack 19:38 -!- Noisytoot_ is now known as Noisytoot 19:42 -!- Noisytoot is now known as Guest911 19:42 -!- Guest911 has quit [Killed (calcium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 19:42 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:17905 (1:09:21) 20:05 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a magical dagger entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:22076 (1:13:54) 20:06 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 18272 points, T:22321, killed by an iguana 20:28 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:14049 (2:45:26) 20:33 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 20:42 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 541 points, T:1685, killed by a kobold lady, while fainted from lack of food 20:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:16492 (3:08:48) 20:55 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 21:01 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 21:05 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10 -!- Frozty has joined #evilhack 21:24 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3282 (0:42:02) 21:26 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 21:37 -!- terracotta has joined #evilhack 21:37 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:42 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:42 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4338 (0:59:26) 21:51 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 22:00 -!- botifico has quit [Server closed connection] 22:02 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:08 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 22:15 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 22:18 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 4660 points, T:4590, killed by an orc shaman called Aakha of Ogbanearuk 22:58 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1276 points, T:1292, zombified by an orc zombie 23:11 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1143 (0:13:00) 23:16 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3783 (0:14:46) 23:24 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1674 points, T:1421, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted orc zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7882 (0:35:17) 23:40 [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 17488 points, T:8494, quit 23:42 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 23:47 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 23:52 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:56 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1808 points, T:1517, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant