00:10 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6743 (1:02:57) 00:21 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 17 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:7850 (1:14:16) 00:31 -!- Jared__ has joined #evilhack 00:34 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 585 points, T:2429, killed by a small mimic 00:53 -!- Jared__ has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:53 -!- rld has joined #evilhack 00:53 -!- mode/#evilhack [+v rld] by ChanServ 01:34 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:35 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:35 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 01:55 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 760 points, T:1238, killed by a death ray 01:56 ab 01:56 <@fubaz> Not a whole lot i could have done there — goblin king killed me the second i came into sight 01:57 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a leather jacket entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:22017 (7:33:52) 02:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:41006 (1 day, 7:10:13) 02:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41014 (1 day, 7:10:54) 02:12 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2244 (0:14:29) 02:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 02:25 @e?giant centipede 02:25 giant centipede (s) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 24 | Res: poison | Confer: poison | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 6d8 bite drain str, 1d4 touch wrap | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, conceals, thick hide, oviparous 02:26 ab Loggers_VIII 02:27 sup umbire 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:20857 (3:38:59) 02:31 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:20894 (3:39:31) 02:34 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:34 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class v, on T:21038 (3:42:40) 02:35 I accidentally read a blessed scroll of genocide instead of a blessed scroll of charging, but luckily genociding 'v' took out antimatter vortices, which I was planning on genociding anyway 02:35 also I just dried up two 50-charge markers trying to write acid blast :P 02:36 wtf, game. at max it's 59 charges to write 02:36 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:21086 (3:45:13) 02:37 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3963 02:37 -!- Guest3963 has quit [Killed (calcium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 02:37 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:43 very unlucky 02:47 clearly there are malicious gremlins within my game that are manipulating the probabilties 02:47 *probabilities 02:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:51 Iaksjdhkasjhdkas I left my magic chest unlocked and some damn troll emptied it 02:53 I just FoD'd him but it's annoying to have to put everything back 02:53 lmao 02:53 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 02:58 @e?snow golem 02:58 snow golem (') | Lvl: 22 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 8 | Res: cold sleep shock poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -3 | Atk: 6d8 breath cold, 1d6 spit cold, 8d10 claw knockback | Align: 0 | breathless, mindless, thick hide, nopoly, vegan 03:22 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:25666 (4:30:26) 03:26 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 03:28 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:29 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:26055 (4:38:12) 03:30 advanced fireball is so good 03:30 ain't it? 03:30 brb 03:30 and I finally get a BoH :D 03:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 03:34 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:37 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:26311 (4:45:33) 03:40 I think I'll use white DSM this game. seems cool 03:41 my hunch was right. this is very fun 03:41 sewage? lava? it's all ground to me 03:45 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:26850 (4:53:47) 03:46 that fight went something like this: fireball fireball fireball fireball fireball fireball 03:47 \o/ 03:48 don't forget that "air" is not all ground :-) 03:48 (I'm guessing you're not flying) 03:49 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 03:49 yeah I've got a ring of levitation I'm holding on to for open air segments 04:02 oh huh, apparently charon's resistant to like everything 04:02 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:27312 (5:05:42) 04:02 cerberus too! 04:03 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:27328 (5:06:32) 04:03 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:27343 (5:06:57) 04:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:04 cerberus is vulnerable to cold I think? 04:08 @e?Cerberus 04:08 Cerberus (d) | Lvl: 27 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 20 | Res: fire sleep poison petrification drain | Confer: fire | MR: 90 | Gen: unique | AC: -7 | Atk: 3d6 bite physical, 3d6 bite physical, 3d6 bite physical, 3d6 breath fire | Align: -7 | carnivore, thick hide, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, infravis 04:08 not resistant to it at least 04:14 <@xdminsy> Heh usually you could kill Cerberus by force bolt force bolt force bolt. 04:15 At -7 AC? 04:15 <@xdminsy> Yes, as the force bolt is enhanced. 04:15 <@xdminsy> I can reliably use force bolt to kill every one if they are not magic resistant. 04:16 <@xdminsy> And that's especially helpful in killing liches or alhoons that they cast reflection. 04:16 <@xdminsy> Magic missiles cannot harm them but force bolt can kill them. 04:23 cerberus has M4_VULNERABLE_COLD in src/monst.c 04:23 <@xdminsy> I'm not sure, isn't that fire damage can do more damage on monsters that resist cold but not fire? 04:25 <@xdminsy> I'm not sure that's all fire damage, or speicality of fireball and fire horn/wand of fire. 04:25 <@xdminsy> I remember fireball could do double damage to monsters with cold but not fire resistance, would vulnerability multiply the damage further? 04:27 yeah, I think explicit vulnerability makes it even worse for them 04:37 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 04:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:588 (0:03:30) 04:42 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 04:42 !tell tinklebear Thanks 04:42 tinklebear shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Umbire. 04:42 I think I noted the cold vuln on the article already 04:42 but in case I didn't... 05:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide jumping boots", on T:84512 (1 day, 17:17:34) 05:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:18 yep, already there 05:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 719 points, T:1960, killed by a kobold 06:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 41 points, T:196, killed by boulders 07:07 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:27 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:37 "The Angel swings his silver heavy mace named Demonbane". It's Sunsword I need to worry about, but for one moment... :-P 07:39 -!- Loveaabb_ has joined #evilhack 07:39 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40 heart attack 07:40 demonbane can 1-shot demonform infidels i assume 07:40 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:41 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:41 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:42 <@xdminsy> Sounds so evil. 07:44 ab 07:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 fixed mjollnir", on T:860 (0:04:16) 07:47 <@xdminsy> ab. 07:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:974 (0:05:12) 07:47 <@xdminsy> How do you often make use of flame sphere/freeze sphere. 07:47 <@xdminsy> I usually think they are nearly useless. 07:48 <@xdminsy> But I find that if a wizard can't find a attacking spell before Dark One. 07:48 <@xdminsy> A wizard seems to be able to kill Dark One with flaming/freezing spheres. 07:49 <@xdminsy> Though Dark One could kill a lot of spheres before they explode, but anyway it's a doable way to kill Dark One with boulder fort.. 07:51 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 07:51 <@xdminsy> Ah I could sleep Dark One, then cast flaming spheres, sounds perfect. 07:52 boulder fort, fill the room 90% full of spheres, drink cursed invis 07:55 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:02 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 08:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:85451 (1 day, 18:28:18) 08:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:85487 (1 day, 18:31:12) 08:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:85489 (1 day, 18:31:17) 08:27 -!- Loveaabb_ is now known as Loveaabb 08:27 go go gadget mobileuser 08:29 thx! 08:29 meanwhile i decided to be lame and have to train up soa 08:32 hmm, should i mainhand dichotomy or soa? im thinking dichotomy 08:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) killed Lolth, on T:107695 (1 day, 7:02:19) 08:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:85511 (1 day, 18:40:09) 08:54 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 1757 points, T:2275, killed by a bolt of cold 09:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:108961 (1 day, 7:28:20) 09:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:108962 (1 day, 7:28:25) 09:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:108982 (1 day, 7:29:05) 09:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed the human high priestess of Moloch, on T:85672 (1 day, 18:57:16) 09:07 random yeen surprised me 09:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:85688 (1 day, 18:59:44) 09:09 have you uncovered sunsword yet mobileuser? 09:09 still no sunsword 09:09 oh man purgatory will be tense 09:09 probing and teleport at the ready 09:11 you dont display as a Z! 09:12 man im gonna get boned without demonbane arent i 09:14 wtf, my offhand weapon was snatched 09:14 in that situation i dont take a round, i just hit him again 09:14 I didn't even know that was possible 09:14 yeah, either weapon 09:14 otherwise you could protect soa 09:14 dont forget to pick up dichotomy 09:15 werebane 09:15 werebane :-) 09:15 you are so ballsy, with my rng when i stop to pick that up, demogorgon is suddenly there 09:15 i never facetank whips like that, too afraid 09:17 i think as a rogue i can go in barehanded, steal their whips :-) 09:18 cut through him like butter -- no summons, wow 09:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:85738 (1 day, 19:09:10) 09:18 again, based on my stats, it is impossible to go that many rounds with lucifer without at least 3 demon gates 09:18 so i really need demonbane 09:19 aww 09:20 or do boulder fort 09:20 that area is set up SO poorly for boulder forts 09:20 which was plan until an angel dropped demonbane 09:20 well, it takes patience there 09:21 I have seen one player poke Lucifer, jump away, and then do a boulder fort 09:21 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:22 yeah, as a giant, you can extend your fort and make things ez 09:23 no, I mean jump away and only then read scroll of earth 09:23 yeah 09:23 of course Lucifer will get in some initial hits then 09:23 man it is unnerving having peaceful alhoon beeline to you 09:23 heheh 09:24 ive been doing it so long i dont even remember why it is important to boulder fort orcus. i guess as a draugr i dont care and can just hit him with my face 09:24 yeah I just facetanked him 09:25 lol 09:25 he can't even do the wither attack 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:109734 (1 day, 7:51:28) 09:25 still hit hard, i ate a potion 09:26 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 09:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:85748 (1 day, 19:11:00) 09:30 i kinda miss the automatic wizard on entering purgatory 09:32 those underlines freak me out 09:38 do you engage michael or bypass him? 09:39 I just teleported him away 09:40 hopefully one of the angels had sunsword 09:40 unfortunately not knowing is almost as bad isnt it? 09:40 what did you use your artifact wish for? 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:110548 (1 day, 8:07:10) 09:43 dragonbane 09:43 I got fed up with receiving spears 09:45 ahhhh gotcha 09:45 i keep flipflopping between demonbane and sunsword 09:45 of course no graz'zt for me so i live in fear of lucy-graz'zt 09:49 stun from turn undead wands can be brutal 09:51 I'm wearing shimmering-scaled armor! 09:53 crap i have to rustproof my wands of death 09:56 from hackemslashem: "ok I'll try to drop in once in a while", with reference to my request that everyone would like to see him back here. 10:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:08 doh! no opening for wizards tower 10:10 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:113013 (1 day, 8:49:04) 11:00 going to enter the planes later (my) tonight. good luck with the asc run krm26! 11:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:00 yz 11:07 i have a polypiling roadblock first (edible damage AND accuracy) 11:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:57 hi 11:57 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 12:01 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:42 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:113129 (1 day, 9:05:29) 13:05 as long as healing isn't smoky i 13:05 isn't smoky i'll just dilute these potions and make holy water 13:05 glad i checked! 13:10 -!- Jared__ has joined #evilhack 13:12 oh great it's one of these games wehre the mines are blocked by water (no wonder i stopped playing!) 13:12 it's ok... I'll wish for a wand of digging 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 84 points, T:426, killed by a fox 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:6, killed by a bear trap 13:13 lol 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6494 (0:41:27) 13:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:17 Jared are you post163? 13:18 No, I'm Jared in the game as well 13:20 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22 i don't even mind the goblin town shit, but when they are completely blocked by water it's beyond annoying, especially with no general store in the dungeon (or digging tool) 13:23 maybe I should play, Arc. Do they start with a some sort of pickaxe?!? 13:23 I'm still new to this variant, but playing as an archaeologist is fun. And yes, they do start with a pickaxe. 13:23 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 13:24 Arc's also start with a touchstone, rations, and sometimes a lamp and a sack. 13:26 did you find Goblin Town and the Goblin King yet Jared__ ? 13:26 oh sweet. well, welcome to evilhack!! it's super fucking fun. Feel free to ask anything!! Everyone on this channel is cool and many play evilhack a lot! I basically only play monk (in vanilla too) but i'm happy to help with any questions 13:27 Yeah, I've killed the Goblin King in some games, but I've not yet made it to Minetown. I'm getting better at this so I think it will happen soon. 13:28 nice 13:31 Thanks rebatela I'm having a lot of fun with this game. It's so evil! 13:32 mobileuser is probably the most knowledgable (and friendliest) 13:32 but yeah it's super fun! 13:33 most things aren't all that different from vanilla, and honestly with object properties etc. it can be "easier" in some ways 13:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:86585 (1 day, 19:38:04) 13:35 great, yeah, I'm still learning the differences. I had gotten really bored with vanilla. I'm not an amazing player but depending on the RNG I can ascend once in a while. Evilhack's early game is destroying me it's so much fun. 13:36 K2, you around? 13:37 rebatela do the % resistances acquired by eating corpses wear off over time? 13:37 nope 13:37 awesome 13:37 they just build 13:38 so like it takes several black dragons to get disint. resistance 100% but yeah you don't lose it afaik 13:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) genocided electric eels, on T:86658 (1 day, 19:42:45) 13:39 50%/dragon 13:39 5%/snark 13:39 yeah i love those snarks.. yummy 13:39 just watch out they don't turn into a boojum 13:40 (i fucking love that poem btw and it's such a great reference) 13:40 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 13:40 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 13:40 i'm doing evil sokoban now, jared. So they used the newer levels BUT nothing is flipped or reversed or anything like that... 13:40 alas where are the jubjub birds 13:42 that's the other thing- k2 actually plays evilhack... so i suppose that has a handful of cons, but for the most part i think it's a good thing that he is a player and loves the game/playing the game. He's not completely out of touch with the player 13:45 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:113845 (1 day, 10:06:27) 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:113846 (1 day, 10:06:29) 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) genocided shocking spheres, on T:113847 (1 day, 10:06:39) 13:50 I wonder if it's possible to do the pacifist in evilhack. 13:50 What about a wizard get an early wish for Archon? 13:51 I won't do pacifist but I wonder if it's possible. 13:53 do you wonder if it's possible? why not try it? 13:53 Heh I don't even played a pacifist game in vanilla. 13:53 I thought it's hard, I'm not sure. 13:53 i have like 50 potions i can't price id... no unihorn yet either. ANd i don't want to make holy water with these healing potions because they are smoky bahhhhhhhhhj 13:54 and the mines are blocked 13:54 maybe try pacifist in vanilla first? 13:55 not sure you know what you're getting into, but it seems an odd thing to be wondering about if you've never done it in the normal game... 13:55 Like i cannot imagine trying pacifist in even vanilla. But i would start there 13:55 or maybe xnh 13:56 or maybe make some rules... like, I'll ONLY kill the riders! 13:56 I have a clear plan of pacifist in vanilla because that's easy there, but I don't want to play though, not so interesting. 13:56 lucifer has to be killed to ascend, and a pet will not kill lucifer -- i dont believe pacifist is possible 13:57 do you live in china now xdminsy? 13:57 Yes, it's 2 am now.. 13:58 werd 13:58 it's 2pm in boston lol 13:58 Will a basilisk pet and conflict kill lucifer? 13:58 Or like black dragon pets and conflict? 13:58 pets are such pussies once the real enemies come out 13:58 that's why i let them die... 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed King Arthur, on T:44846 (1 day, 11:13:59) 13:59 no pet is high enough level to take a stab at lucifer 13:59 if a monk can smash a statue with their bare hands, I think I should be able to dig through a dungeon floor... 13:59 in theory maybe lucifer would petrify himself on a basilisk pet 13:59 pets will attack lucifer even though there's a huge level difference. it's special cased to make pacifist specifically possible 14:00 oh rly? 14:00 not sure what pets could do for him, would probably have to keep manufacturing them 14:00 yep 14:00 idk how it works but I remember seeing a commit about it 14:00 or equip a humanoid pet with demonbane or the hotdog 14:01 oooo theres a throne on this soko level... one of the kings might have a pickaxe? 14:01 hope i don't die 14:01 elven king/queen sometimes have pickaxe right? 14:02 Yes, I think an Archon with Demonbane may kill Lucifer. 14:02 I tried in wizard mode and seems the Archon is capped at level 49. 14:02 has evilhack really gotten so easy that you need to do pacifist? you should make your own variant, xdminsy 14:02 (please no paranoid water. thanks) 14:03 No I don't want to do pacifist. 14:03 huh? 14:03 it's all you've been talking about lol 14:03 But I remember someday before sloppyfirst said that he think pacifist seems impossible in evilhack. 14:03 I think pacifist is quite doable in evilhack if you get a wish early for a good pet 14:03 it's a dwarf king in the throne room. can he have a pickaxe? 14:03 Yes, I'm just thinking about how to do a pacifist game in evilhack. 14:03 But I won't do it. 14:03 oh cool 14:03 yeah I think they usually have pick axes rebatela 14:04 thanks loggers 14:04 i'm not gonna go into the throne room. Just wondering... 14:04 Sometimes elevenking may have pickaxe too. 14:04 yes 14:04 i knew about the elvenkings 14:05 i'm gonna get my ass kicked. I can't melee this dwarf king 14:05 i just want the fucking pickaxe 14:05 lol, for some reason elvenkings have higher chance to have a pickaxe than dwarf kings 14:05 3rd amulet i don't know what is 14:05 i need a general store badly 14:05 apparently for dwarf kings it's only 1/4. I thought it was higher 14:05 yeah the elfs always seem to have them 14:05 i mean, in the mines you always find them on regular dwarves 14:06 I guess a paranoid player may have 6 pet Archons. 14:07 4th amulet. wtf 14:07 i need to id these things 14:08 Sounds not bad, probably one is MR or reflection. 14:08 ok i reached the big room. now i'm def going back 14:08 tortle healer - that'd a be a strong race/role to try pacifist imo 14:08 Why tortle? 14:08 since as a tortle you already want to kill yourself, you dont feel any additional pain from the pacifist conduct 14:09 :) 14:09 they can enshell 14:09 I guess maybe hide in shell, and Archon kill others? 14:09 heya Jared__ 14:09 and they start with a natural low AC which gets better as they level up 14:10 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:10 i think giant is ideal pacifist, since you can move in a cloak of boulders 14:10 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:10 As I watched that loggers game genociding everything and kill everybody in only melee, without any projectiles or magic. 14:10 I think an Archon could do the same if genocide enough. 14:11 xdminsy: during one of my earliest evil ascensions, the guards got to the WoW before me and wished up a figurine of an Archon, and it turned into absolute hell... 14:12 an archon with good enough gear can kill monsters like tiamat or lucifer, so if you just have one archon as your powerhouse and then a couple other strongish pets to mop up the fodder I think it can be done 14:12 maybe you'd want two archons though since if one dies you can't bring it back 14:12 i was lucky. a player wizard generated on my castle chest and grabbed the wand and burnt all 3 wishes...but they were just for junk 14:12 K2, when was the last time you had someone report the "bag of holding destroyed" bug in Hackem? 14:12 Yes, Archon in early game should be difficult to deal with. 14:13 Yes, so we have a clear plan in how to do pacifist, the work is almost done. 14:13 loggers, have you actually seen an archon take out lucifer? i find that hard to credit 14:13 Need someone to actually do it :). 14:14 I tried in wizard mode that +7 Demonbane Archon can kill Lucifer quickly. 14:14 FIVE amulets!!! 14:14 so i MUST have mr or reflection 14:14 And I think you could help throwing paralysis, while giving Archon slow digestion and free action. 14:14 nah but if it can attack lucifer it can kill him, especially if you heal the guy and paralyze lucifer as support 14:14 woulnd't you have to level the pet up first? 14:15 they wont' just fight lucifer 14:15 pets are allowed to fight lucifer even if they're way under his level to make pacifist possible 14:15 malor not in a long time 14:15 at least ime, you used to have to really train a pet to get them to fight a boss 14:15 ok. 14:15 the amount play time in hackem went way down though too 14:16 cant use this past junethack as an indicator since almost every hackem game played was post163 slipping off his steed 14:16 I confirmed in wizmode, the 49 level Archon would like to attack and kill Lucifer. 14:16 And it's already the highest of an Archon, I gave him enough gain level and still 49. 14:16 i accused jared of being post because he caught a beartrap on t2 or something lol 14:16 need a wand of shrinking to make lucifer engulfable 14:16 xdminsy even if you had a level 1 newt as a pet, they'd attack lucifer 14:17 Heh I think so. 14:17 Can you steal it's ring of slow digestion as a rogue? 14:18 you can steal rings, but lucifer is huge, cant be ungulfed 14:18 Oh I see. 14:18 it's his bigass wings I guess :p 14:18 heh. 14:18 <@malorpower> right 14:18 Maybe tinklebear would like to do pacifist. 14:18 I branchported to mines, totally forgot there was a beholder in mines end. gave me a bit of a jumpscare 14:18 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) genocided beholders, on T:27397 (5:12:55) 14:19 Heh I remember that beholder. 14:20 you can genocide beholders? 14:20 kind of mean that that can happen but honestly most mine's end-ready characters can at least work around a beholder 14:20 rebatela you have to kill the boss beholder in the hidden dungeon, it's like vecna 14:20 you have to kill tal'gath first rebatela 14:20 oh yeah i've done that 14:20 i totally forgot about that branch last ascension 14:21 I forget that before a lot. 14:21 there's an entrance from the votd? 14:21 But there might be a magic marker, worth a try. 14:21 I always go in for the marker chance and the genocide 14:21 yeah i just completely forgot about it 14:21 yeah the entrance is in a little closet behind some iron bars in the votd 14:21 it's easy enough 14:21 Kinda wonder if I ever have genocided beholders. 14:21 vecna i don't bother with... just the first two levels and then i just wear the hat 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed fixed marker", on T:113999 (1 day, 10:43:26) 14:22 Seems no. 14:22 Ah I've genocided beholder when i'm drow knight. 14:23 beholder is a great genocide if you have a pet 14:23 otherwise they're actually not super threatening 14:23 Vecna give a lot of spellbooks and also a possible marker. 14:24 And it's drop. 14:24 damn i really do have 5 unid'd amulets... Now i KNOW there are lot of shitty useless ones but still 14:24 i wasn't about to die to that dwarf king 14:25 there's an armor shop in goblin town i could price id in, but you can't exactly throw potions into a shop like scrolls... 14:25 i guess have a pet carry a sack of potions in? 14:25 You could drop potions in shop, and leave that level and come back. 14:25 (i need to make holy water and none of my potions are id'd except healing which is smoky) 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed sunsword", on T:114027 (1 day, 10:47:11) 14:26 leaving the level will make it so i can id? 14:26 The shopkeepers will claim your items as theirs. 14:26 yeah if you leave the level with stuff in a shop and come back the shopkeeper has claimed that stuff 14:26 ahhh no shit 14:26 i did not know that 14:26 thank YOU!!!! 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) wished for "blessed demonbane", on T:114034 (1 day, 10:47:56) 14:27 omigod, got the 2nd artifact wish! 14:27 it's not about the money at this point 14:27 congrats 14:27 isn't it like 2/3 or something ? 14:27 I think buying price is complicated, need to check the wiki. 14:27 not for my rng, i failed about 9 times in a row and then gave up until just now 14:27 no i'm talking about his chance of getting his wishj 14:28 argh the demonbane priest used cursed gain level 14:28 yeah you wish for artifacts when the odds are against you all the time thoughj 14:28 gotta remember not to disintegrate him 14:28 2nd one isn't not normal to get 14:29 i hate it because i will spend 30, 40k turns sacrificing for dragonbane and then finally say fuck it and wish for drangobane AND grayswandir and get them bothj 14:29 and then i realize i just wasted 40k turns sacrificing 14:29 ? i wished for a 2nd artifact in 9 separate games, using all available wishes, without ever getting a 2nd artifact, and since then (until today) have only ever bothered to wish for one. for MY rng to give me a 2nd artifact is unprecedented 14:29 does it still work so that if you wish for an artifact, your chances of getting one from your next wish decreases even if you don't receive the artifact? 14:29 but krm26, I've seen you wish for that chaotic free action ring like 10 times in a row 14:29 it hurt ME to watch 14:30 yeah well when the choice is that or a marker wish 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible Neferet the Green, on T:28196 (5:24:54) 14:31 ok i gotta find the damn demonbane priest 14:31 I don't understand your unwillingness to wish for markers 14:31 i like you because you aren't against artifact wishing. The people who are can go screw. There's definitely a rift. I like evilhack because it's kind of accepted that people will artiwish 14:32 i think k2 made it fair (or any variant that does this)... It should only be based on artifacts you wished for 14:33 THAT way we don't want to kill the player who dies 100 times on DL 3 after naming "sting" 14:33 and the people who DO name sting religiously on NAO ARE THE people who die on DL 3.... 14:33 I usually play vanilla neutral and avoid sacrificing then clear castle. 14:33 Wish for Grayswandir and PYEC. 14:34 right... but if you die and I find your grayswandir and PYEC in bones.... It shouldn't count against me 14:34 "turn bones off" i know i know 14:34 I don't usually artiwish but sometimes I will go for grayswandir to get the gauntlets of purity 14:34 how about. stop naming sting?? 14:34 it's so nice that evilhack gives a free guaranteed artiwish 14:35 I don't know, but maybe naming sting could help them survive. 14:35 but anyway... Evil and the whichever variant he took it from has it right.. Only the artifacts you wished for should count against you not shit you found on the ground 14:35