00:03 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:83764 (22:27:38) 00:03 Well I never get the Hand of Vecna. 00:09 <@fubaz> Glorious 00:09 <@fubaz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1260447675837317182/IMG_0063.png?ex=668f5adf&is=668e095f&hm=7dae78627b420e2138bc9ac44c0e327721e0e7bd3fc3cc6b3712d6cc66ce49ed& 00:10 Okay, you could get fancy gray scales. 00:11 <@fubaz> Trying to sacrifice too 00:11 <@fubaz> May not work due to corpse weight 00:12 Oh mobileuser how to kill those alhoon if they keep teleporting all around the map. 00:12 I can't hit them. 00:13 Okay i think I could just be more patient, sometimes they come and I may have enough damage to kill them. 00:16 they are very crafty 00:16 in that way, at least 00:17 polymorph into mind flayer gives you immunity from the brain-suck 00:18 (but you still will want protection from touch of death, among other things) 00:18 Oh I usually do polyselfless, maybe sometimes I could try that. 00:18 No worry I don't play mrless. 00:18 I forget to carry my cursed invisibility. 00:19 ah, very cool. nah, don't give up your conduct just to squash an alhoon 00:19 lol, you should try it, xdminsy! 00:19 I don't know, I have little idea about it. 00:21 Maybe I could watch your last knight ttyrec at sometime. 00:21 heh 00:22 Usually I only do conducts that I have a clear plan on how to finish before I start a game. 00:22 Usually I don't mind to break all conducts :). 00:23 I understand the clear plan thing. The game is the test of the plan. 00:24 I like to do that too 00:24 heh yes usualy I know what I should do. 00:24 But often forget that I should eat dragon meat when doing vegan. 00:24 shoundn't. 00:24 lol. all those food conducts. I make the same mistakes myself 00:25 Well I forget what i'm doing now. 00:25 you've gotten a lot further than I ever have 00:25 The scrolls of enchant armor are so rare in wishless polypileless game. 00:25 that's good! 00:26 I think I want a +5 helm of brilliance and Ogresmasher to level up from 1 to 30. 00:27 enchant armor scrolls are so rare, because you're supposed to do the run naked, and save them all for barding 00:27 Heh I think that should be plentiful if only enchant barding. 00:27 Is barding of reflection better than spiked? 00:28 People disagree, I think 00:28 Personally, I prefer reflection 00:28 For wizards I think reflection maybe better, I can finger of death engulfers. 00:28 but that is because I always ride my horse, and most other barded pets are too big to engulf 00:28 And reflected magic missile won't harm steed.. 00:29 Won't they engulf your mount? 00:29 heh, yeah. I wand of deathed Rodney once by double bouncing off a pet dragon with barding of reflection 00:29 In my experience, my mount has never been engulfed when I was riding it. 00:30 since I always am riding, it hasn't been a problem 00:30 Okay that sounds good. 00:31 One wizard of mine before I cast a lot of charm monster to retame my revived large pigasus. 00:31 Recently I know I could throw veggys. 00:32 oh man 00:32 :D 00:32 it is strange, that the rare and magical pegasus can be tamed with food 00:33 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) averted death (killed by Ms. Semai; the shopkeeper), on T:27738 (11:11:57) 00:33 Heh yes, I've wondered how those roles retame large pigasi if they cannot cast charm monster :P 00:33 Weird. 00:34 heh 00:34 Holy the Orcus has a wand of striking. 00:35 He's been reading the chatlog! 00:35 I hate that, i'm very short on scroll of earth too. 00:35 wishless, polypileless... 00:36 If my vegan is still intact, maybe I could break polypileless or wishless. 00:36 The count is not enough now :( 00:36 the count? 00:36 is that the number of conducts? 00:36 yes. 00:36 lol 00:37 "elberethless" :D 00:37 That's easy one everybody's doing :P. 00:38 lol 00:38 The MRless is the one only you have tried and succeeded. 00:40 you boulder fort, and then acid blast orcus by telepathy? 00:40 or at least, that was the plan? 00:40 Usually I could magic missile Orcus. 00:40 Yes, I could acid blast too. 00:40 cool 00:41 <@fubaz> YASD 00:41 <@fubaz> Didn’t realize dragons cancelled, tunneled into a shop 00:41 What happened? 00:42 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 66613 points, T:27973, killed by Ms. Semai; the shopkeeper 00:42 !lastgame fubaz 00:42 !lastgame fubaz 00:42 xdminsy: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/f/fubaz/evilhack/dumplog/1720404640.evil.html 00:42 tinklebear: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/f/fubaz/evilhack/dumplog/1720404640.evil.html 00:42 jinx! 00:42 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:43 Well yes, gray dragons have passive cancellation. 00:43 <@fubaz> Forgot there was a food shop 00:43 <@fubaz> As in hitting them will disenchant equipment? 00:44 Of course and your items. 00:44 You need to stash everything you don't want to be cancelld and hit them with a +0 weapon when in sancutary. 00:45 <@fubaz> Was trying to altar sacrifice dragons 00:45 <@fubaz> Figured id get a good reward 00:46 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:85589 (23:10:28) 00:46 Well, Orcus hit me once and my 15 max health get lost. 00:47 I'm dex 25 and throw a potion of paralysis at Orcus and magic missile Orcus to death.. 00:47 nice 00:47 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 00:47 only 15 max HP lost? 00:47 <@fubaz> I die a lot 00:47 Yes he only hit me once. 00:47 <@fubaz> I got greedy with altars 00:47 Then paralyzed to death. 00:48 that's awesome, xdminsy 00:51 Yes not bad. 00:51 Quetzalcoatl thanks you for your service, fubaz 00:53 <@fubaz> someone is gonna get a pretty nice bones 00:53 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54 lol, the grave is in minetown, isn't it? 00:54 <@fubaz> ya 00:55 It may be a bit hard to get items in shop. 00:55 Well but Grayswandir and free action + slow digestion are fancy. 00:55 <@fubaz> Really I lost a ton of enchants bc I didn’t know about passive in evilhack so it would’ve been uphill battle 00:55 <@fubaz> New to reverse genocide strats 00:56 oh, did you revgeno gray dragons for scales? 00:56 <@fubaz> Yea 00:56 I see 00:56 Well sorry that I forget to tell you that. 00:56 I thought you want to play unspoiled. 00:57 <@fubaz> I then turn undead them to try to sacrifice on altar 00:57 that's a great idea! 00:57 haha 00:57 <@fubaz> I figure they are worth a lot in sacrifice 00:58 if you have charges/recharges to spare, it sounds like a good trade to me 00:58 <@fubaz> I was trying to sokoban them into altar with boulders but kept getting hammered by breath ark 00:58 <@fubaz> Attack 00:59 <@fubaz> Then I dug into a good shop and lost lifesaving, couldn’t pacify 00:59 <@fubaz> Food 01:00 a few slips in execution, but the overall plan sounds great 01:01 I wonder what the range of effect is for that magic flute 01:01 <@fubaz> would’ve worked 01:01 shopkeepers are so fast... 01:01 <@fubaz> Forgot 01:02 <@fubaz> Anyways 01:02 You could take out the money and pacify the shopkeeper. 01:02 <@fubaz> I will eventually ascend 01:02 <@fubaz> Or not 01:02 <@fubaz> Tried 01:02 hell yeah 01:03 New Hampshire! 01:03 <@fubaz> Said thanks scum and kept attacking 01:03 lol 01:03 Yes, 1000 dollar once and may pacify. 01:03 You could try more. 01:04 I see it's 2/3 chance. 01:04 angry shopkeepers, bad scene 01:04 <@fubaz> but npc rock mole ok 01:04 :D 01:05 -!- FIQ has quit [Server closed connection] 01:05 <@fubaz> Ughhhh 01:05 <@fubaz> I die a lot 01:05 <@fubaz> Gn 01:05 -!- FIQ has joined #evilhack 01:05 good night, fubaz 01:05 <@fubaz> Getting better though 01:06 dying is a good way to learn, I think 01:06 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 01:06 I was trying to convince loggers of this 01:09 Good night. 01:09 anyways, it certainly sticks in the memory :D 01:09 <@fubaz> that bones has a boulder fort with three gray dragons behind it 01:09 I think loggers play that way. 01:10 I dislike dying :( 01:10 <@fubaz> Someone is gonna get a nasty surprise 01:10 well I certainly hope so. Would only be fair! 01:10 <@fubaz> boulder fort in temple 01:11 that version of minetown is a nasty piece of work on its own 01:11 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:11 you did the hard work already, cleaning up the tiger-taming wand-zapping orcs 01:12 Ooops Graz'zt. 01:13 I think I should slow my pace, I guess my spellbook of finger of death is already too faint. 01:13 But I don't need it. 01:14 Have you ascended vanilla fubaz? 01:14 Oh goona sleep I think. 01:17 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 01:19 @e?spectre 01:19 spectre ( ) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 9 | Res: cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -8 | Atk: 1d10 weapon physical | Align: -5 | flies, phases, breathless, unsolid, nopoly, stalker, passes-bars, vegan, undead 01:19 unsolid, but force bolt "knocks the spectre back" 01:19 interesting 01:20 @e?ghost 01:20 ghost ( ) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 5 | Res: cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: special | AC: 0 | Atk: 1d1 touch paralyze | Align: -5 | flies, phases, breathless, unsolid, nopoly, stalker, passes-bars, vegan, undead 01:23 Does archon resist magic missile? 01:23 @e?archon 01:23 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 01:23 Or I wander if I could tame the Archon. 01:23 ooops I forget the charm monster, I have to relearn it. 01:23 @e?gray dragon 01:23 gray dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 breath magic missile, 4d8 bite physical, 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 2d10 engulf digest, 0d0 passive cancellation | Align: 4 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 01:24 "Res: magic" 01:24 I see they resist magic, I'm not sure if it resist magic missile though. 01:24 oh, right. Angels (and I guess Archons, though I hardly ever see one) are always zapping you with magic missiles 01:24 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:24 I heard that those have magic missile attack will have magic missile. 01:24 Will have magic resistance. 01:25 yeah, I believe they're immune to magic missile 01:25 Yes, but the Archon seems don't have the magic missile attack. 01:25 Archons seem to have other attacks at their disposal 01:25 I'm not sure, I think I want to tame it, for fun :P. 01:25 @e?elven wizard 01:25 elven wizard (@) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep magic | Confer: sleep | MR: 25 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 2d4 cast magic missile, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -10 | genocidable, omnivore, seeinvis, infravis 01:25 @e?angel 01:25 Angel (A) | Lvl: 14 | Diff: 19 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 55 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -4 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical, 1d6 weapon physical, 1d4 claw physical, 2d6 cast magic missile | Align: 12 | flies, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 01:26 Yes the elven wizard resist magic. 01:26 I think a warhorse is better than greater pagasi, they are always slow.. 01:26 Not so good. 01:26 heh 01:27 in principle, pegasus and warhorses should be the same speed 01:27 Yes but skeleton and shades often slow them. 01:27 yep 01:27 While you can simply speed monster warhorse, the greater pigasi required potion of speed.. 01:27 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 01:27 yep 01:28 pegasus is my backup plan, if I suddenly need a new healthy horse 01:28 ...but just a backup plan 01:29 I think so. 01:29 it's cool that it flies, though! 01:29 Maybe your warhorse got touch of death upon air. 01:29 that's why I bring a well-charged wand of undead turning along 01:30 oh, I see what you mean. (I thought you meant on "Plane of Air") 01:31 well, pegasus can get touch of deathed over open air too... 01:31 Yes, like in purgatory.. 01:31 right. gotcha 01:31 I see 01:32 but yeah, all pegasi and all warhorses are mortal 01:32 but only pegasus can help you fall to your death... :D 01:33 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 01:34 While one should stil wear amulet of flying when riding flying monsters :P 01:37 It is weird that Archons have "Res: magic" even though they seem to have no "Atk: magic missile" 01:37 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38 Ooops, and I wonder if that res: magic will make them untameable? 01:38 @e?silver dragon 01:38 silver dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: cold | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 breath cold, 4d8 bite physical, 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 2d10 engulf digest | Align: 4 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 01:40 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "asdf", on T:3544 (0:54:49) 01:41 Even if not, Archon's MR 80 gives them high chance to resist 01:42 Yes but I'm a wizard :3. 01:42 Player style magic resistance doesn't interfere with taming 01:42 MR 80 is not "player style" 01:42 "Res: magic" 01:43 ah, I see what you mean, Umbire 01:43 Also Archons were given that MR to prevent death wand cheesing, I imagine 01:44 Okay, I tamed the Archon. 01:44 awesome! 01:44 how many tries did it take? 01:44 I forget, seems 7 or 8.. 01:44 heh. 01:44 sounds reasonable! 01:45 Well but I'm afraid they'll be engulfed.. 01:45 life is short, so live well while you can 01:46 or so they tell me 01:46 I have a small shield of drain resistance. 01:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:61194 (1 day, 3:42:04) 01:47 I think angelic beings might be inherently drain resistant 01:48 Oh well I wear that per se I want to deal with vlad. 01:48 ah. I see 01:48 Though I think I don't need that, I don't have drain resistance last game but the Vlad can only drain 1 level to me. 01:48 cool 01:54 "I think angelic beings might..." <-- not a confident assertion 01:54 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:88240 (1 day, 0:18:58) 01:54 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:88242 (1 day, 0:19:07) 02:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:18 good morning(?), mobileuser 02:20 thank you tinklebear! 02:22 good late-at-night for you? 02:22 ab 02:22 ab! 02:22 Also, I don't think they are actually, tinklebear 02:22 ab mobileuser. 02:22 hi xdminsy! 02:22 good to know, Umbire 02:23 good afternoon for you xdminsy? 02:23 and yes it is, mobileuser. although my device's OS apparently thinks it is GMT today 02:24 heh 02:24 ...so I am in an especially morning kind of mood this evening 02:25 Yes, 14 pm here. 02:25 Good morning. 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:62718 (1 day, 4:24:51) 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered Ioll, his faithful ancient pseudodragon, on T:62723 (1 day, 4:25:22) 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3491 (1:40:08) 02:34 I have just realised that "TH:" is the drow character's "Am I standing on in light or darkness" indicator 02:34 Yes, it's obvious. 02:34 but I am very slow! 02:35 I finally learned something! 02:36 Weird, same-race sacrifice will summon some hostile demons. 02:36 I thought they always peaceful. 02:37 small chance of hostile 02:37 to keep it interesting :-) 02:38 So a chaotic knight may get a hostile Juiblex when trying to get Dirge? 02:38 no... 02:38 K2 changed it 02:38 so you never get bosses 02:38 Oh well, that's safer than. 02:39 otherwise you could make gehennom easier 02:39 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:39 devils are lawful, demons are chaotic 02:39 Heh make them still hostile when appear by sacrifice. 02:39 & 02:40 Then that's not easier. 02:40 Hostile demons also make it so you can't just fill the floor with endless foocubi or what-have-you 02:41 filling the floor with peacefuls sounds like a nightmare to me.... 02:42 Why's that. 02:42 I much prefer gremlin population explosions when I am lawful... 02:42 I think that could level up very soon and gain many max power. 02:42 Also remember, tinklebear plays permahallu 02:42 Very often :B 02:42 ^ I myself forget that this affects my assumptions 02:43 No idea how to do permahallu. 02:43 my pet resists cold and fire, but I have no idea if it will untame if it keeps getting caught in Dichotomy fire and cold explosions... 02:43 Maybe I could do that in xnh. 02:46 an altar camping area filled with peacefuls is awful, makes it harder for the hostiles to come to you 02:47 unless you have a strong pet that kills them all 02:47 killing hostile monsters has a beginning and an end 02:47 not-killing peacefuls only has a beginning 02:47 (until you piss them off) 02:47 heh 02:49 in the castle, there's always that stray peaceful titan, or fire giant, or ogre king, or whatever... 02:51 ...in the throne room. 02:52 the peaceful part never lasts, unless it is very short-lived (due to pet activity) 02:53 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 02:54 does your pet eat, mobileuser? 02:55 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 02:57 Well Graz'zt has Dirge, I see why my acid blast not working. 02:57 hah 02:58 lol 02:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Graz'zt, on T:91723 (1 day, 1:22:20) 02:58 Oooops my lightning breaks my wand of probing. 02:58 Nope. 02:58 ah. I've only seen that map (and Graz'zt) once, and it ended in tears for me 02:59 nice 02:59 Heh I can imagine. 02:59 Yeah, Graz'zt gens with Dirge if it's not already in a game 02:59 Oh that's fixed weapon, okay I'll notice next time.. 03:00 tinklebear I have a balrog pet, so it doesn't eat 03:01 mobileuser how you get pet balrog every game? 03:01 K2 would say: HAX 03:01 :-) 03:01 just got lucky with mines end 03:02 the orc temple 03:02 Dagul! 03:02 \o/ 03:02 I think they sohuld be great as they cannot be engulfed. 03:02 Oh I see, that figurine. 03:02 Dagul is awesome 03:02 I hope he stays tame 03:03 I think so, I tamed an archon, and soon it was engulfed. 03:03 So weak. 03:03 yeah, balrogs are huge 03:03 can't be engulfed 03:04 give your archon slow digestion ring 03:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (platinum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 03:05 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:05 (...would have been more timely advice back when xdminsy was worrying about engulfment) 03:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:06 Ah that sounds great, I'll try next time. 03:06 I don't know what they want, seems they don't wear anything except shield of reflection.. 03:06 sorry I did not think of it until now 03:07 Not your fault, I hardly keep pets actually. 03:07 let'em die :P 03:07 my understanding is that a pet will wear the most positively-enchanted armor it finds 03:07 "You smell something strange." 03:07 new message for me 03:08 I find that balrog doesn't resist sleep, that's great. 03:08 Is that melee roles sleep very balrog? 03:09 & tend to be generated sleeping. even Orcus can be put to sleep 03:09 Orcus is so lame. 03:09 Okay I see. 03:12 Are there other demons worth taming? 03:13 I remember having a tame marilith that was pretty cool while it lasted 03:14 not sure if it ranks up with an Archon or balrog though 03:14 but I appreciate speedy pets that like to hack things 03:14 you need to be able to equip them with everything they need to survive 03:14 ^ this. yes. 03:15 Okay, slow digestion and what? 03:15 I think that unengulfable Archon could be very great, it resist touch of death.. 03:16 And it can heal and haste itself I believe. 03:16 greased helm? 03:17 ensure it doesn't lose reflection (versus disint) 03:17 Well I see. 03:20 too bad it won't wield Dirge for acid res 03:21 Not sure if it can. 03:21 alignment clash, I expect 03:21 I wonder if a pets wield Demobane, will demon still gate? 03:22 I remember I got a Demonbane from an angel or what. 03:22 do it for science! 03:22 Heh, I need to wait for an Archon. 03:24 my most memorably effective pets so far have been the ones I've gotten to wield Butcher 03:24 a flind, a couple water trolls, an Olog-hai... 03:25 ...though I'm probably under-appreciating the always-helpful dragon engulfment 03:26 I don't know what is butcher. 03:26 Oh I see. 03:26 yeenoghu's flail! 03:26 I find trolls family very powerful in vanilla. 03:26 I like them as early pets sometimes. 03:31 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:33 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 03:38 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 03:42 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 03:44 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:4427 (1:18:38) 03:44 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 03:45 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 4302 points, T:4436, killed by a piranha 03:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:76491 (1 day, 8:54:58) 03:51 I forgot Kas would disintegrate the Sword of Kas against my black scaled armor :-( 03:51 I wanted to use that against Vecna 03:53 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:54 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:92630 (1 day, 2:18:43) 03:55 Ooops. 03:55 but you remembered what is truly important: looking super cool in black armor 03:58 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 04:01 Lolth gave me 3 or 4 spellbooks of light in a row. 04:01 Doesn't Lolth know that I'm a drow :(. 04:01 trolling you 04:06 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:06 did she give you a blindfold too? 04:07 No I think. 04:09 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 04:13 I also have a spider silk cloak of displacement tinklebear, I look amazing! 04:13 That sounds rare. 04:16 haha 04:18 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:22 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 04:37 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:39 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:135283 (1 day, 8:19:09) 04:39 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:135284 (1 day, 8:19:19) 04:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:550 (0:02:21) 04:41 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) genocided sea dragons, on T:135284 (1 day, 8:21:09) 04:41 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) genocided gray dragons, on T:135285 (1 day, 8:21:25) 04:41 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:95144 (1 day, 3:06:04) 04:42 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) genocided electric eels, on T:135286 (1 day, 8:21:44) 04:45 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:95250 (1 day, 3:09:41) 04:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had an elven short sword entrusted to her by Venus, on T:2586 (0:13:37) 04:52 ok, I am on level one of the Wizard's Tower. How do I open the drawbridge? 04:52 wand of opening. 04:53 Same as any other drawbridge 04:53 thanks. I keep forgetting about that :) 04:53 Minus the passtune deal 04:53 well others you can wand of striking I think. Or is that never doable in Evil? 04:53 That's always doable 04:54 Again, only difference between any of them is the passtune for the Castle bridge 04:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1330 points, T:3234, killed by a shuriken 04:58 in particular you can eat a fat one in the Valk quest if you're not careful around Surtur's drawbridge 04:58 drawbridges* 05:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:580 (0:03:19) 05:10 malor there are some drawbridges that can never be destroyed and you need opening for those 05:10 right, I get that. 05:11 fortunately monsters can't either, so they can't kill you that way :-) 05:12 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:96932 (1 day, 3:36:46) 05:12 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:96933 (1 day, 3:36:49) 05:14 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:96963 (1 day, 3:39:03) 05:15 Right, my fault for forgetting 05:15 Charon's specifically is indestructible, any others? 05:15 the wizard tower level 1. 05:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2867 (0:18:26) 05:15 I think the one in the wizard 3 too 05:16 Malor, you just tried striking on that one, yeah? 05:16 so level 2 wizard's tower, I found 3 crystal chests but no stairs, is it worth using a scroll of charging to open them as I'm running low on "opening". 05:16 Confirm they're indestructible and I'll update the Wiz tower article accordingly 05:16 I'll know soon enough. 05:16 malor once I am ascension running I ignore those chests 05:17 ok 05:17 I'm still picking things up as I figure more is better for now. 05:17 because I should already have all I need... 05:18 but it's a personal choice of course 05:18 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:136092 (1 day, 8:55:45) 05:19 ok, what is the strategy for the Wizard of Yendor in evil? 05:19 try wand of death first, if that fails, kill him by other means 05:20 that superhorn can wake him up btw 05:20 the only thing that can 05:20 try not to kill him over open air 05:21 oh and after you kill him, levelporting will work 05:22 ok. 05:22 when i can't insta-kill him, what things does he do that are bad? Can he destroy my items or just temporarily steal them? 05:25 @e?wizard of yendor 05:25 Wizard of Yendor (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 35 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confer: fire poison | MR: 100 | Gen: unique | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d8 weapon physical, 2d12 claw amulet steal, 0d0 cast spell, 0d0 cast clerical | Align: -128 | omnivore, flies, breathless, regen, seeinvis, tele, nopoly, covetous, infravis 05:26 he can do all the spells so that includes deteriorating armor 05:26 he can steal quest items that are not from your own quest 05:27 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wizard_of_Yendor#EvilHack 05:28 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the dark elven high priestess of Moloch, on T:97596 (1 day, 3:52:45) 05:28 the most dangerous situation is if he keeps casting double trouble, but with your dpr it shouldn't be a problem 05:28 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:97612 (1 day, 3:53:06) 05:30 good luck, malor 05:31 and xdminsy 05:31 Umbire I'm not going to find out if the drawbridge can be striking since I'm summoning the wizard early. 05:31 Heh thanks :D. 05:31 I accidentaly cast stone to flesh at myself and now I have no luckstone.. 05:31 oops! 05:31 the wizard doesn't seem to be coming for me? 05:31 classic 05:32 but what a delicious smell 05:32 not with the superhorn?? 05:32 i improvised 2 times. 05:32 "You disturbed me, fool!" sigh, smoky cursed invis 05:32 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 506 points, T:1393, killed by a gold golem 05:32 ok, he's not coming, so Umbire I will find out 05:33 seems I got that wrong then, weird 05:33 I think you need to invoke rather than apply? 05:33 it cannot be destroyed Umbire 05:33 I've never invoked it before? 05:33 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:97941 (1 day, 3:57:52) 05:33 Gjallar, I mean 05:33 this way you get the full unspoiled experience a cursed-invis user would get anyways 05:34 invoking does levelporting? 05:34 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:98113 (1 day, 3:58:32) 05:34 applying is correct 05:34 seems the wizard is immune 05:34 yeah, invoke lists levelport. 05:35 the way it oughta be anyways! 05:35 Meditating =/= sleeping then is my guess 05:35 he's just really tired. Now i feel sad that he will either kill me or i will kill him. He's just tired. 05:35 sigh, back to stash for more cursed invis... 05:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:98121 (1 day, 3:59:47) 05:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 6574 points, T:5925, killed by a gnome lord 05:36 ok, I can see the wizard now and he still hasn't woken up. 05:37 I guess I get one free shot with wand of death? 05:37 or should I *not* do that? 05:37 The double trouble wizard steal my amulet at purgatory :( 05:37 would be rude not to try, malor 05:37 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 05:38 why are glass golems showing as "5" on my radar? They get one shot most of the time. 05:38 Heh, I always death ray rodney. 05:38 I wonder that same thing every time, malor 05:38 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:136227 (1 day, 9:06:40) 05:39 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:136232 (1 day, 9:07:05) 05:39 \o/ 05:39 "oh wow, something wicked this way co-- oh, just a glass golem" 05:40 so level port -> I go to 39 (41 is where I am at), then leave the tower, then go to "44" (vibrating square). -> CORRECT or NO? 05:40 did you manage to get the amulet back xdminsy? 05:40 correct 05:41 or is it 43? 05:41 maybe check overview 05:41 I always get confused about up and down 05:42 actually I also need to go get the bell and candle :) 05:42 Yes, it teleport and I cast detect treasure to find it. 05:42 I should write one or two earth for backup. 05:42 phew! 05:42 pretty sure I was able to levelport straight to level "towertop +1" and then down to vibrating square level 05:42 er, towertop MINUS one 05:42 minus 2? 05:43 or plus 2? 05:43 I could very well be confused, mobileuser! 05:43 I always have to check overview... 05:43 but yeah, I think I ported "up", towertop minus one 05:44 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:136294 (1 day, 9:11:52) 05:44 ok, in the sanctum. what's the strategy for that? 05:44 (...so straight from top of tower back into normal gehennom) 05:44 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:98520 (1 day, 4:08:44) 05:44 Also I usually drop the book and candle. I can do that, right? 05:44 Yes 05:44 ... 05:45 I've killed 10 rodney this game. 05:45 waas that "yes" to me Umbire? 05:45 Weird. 05:45 Not that weird 05:45 main thing for me is to not get killed by the drawbridges :-) 05:45 But yes, you can safely drop the invocation stuff once the Sanctum is open 05:45 thanks Umbire. 05:45 what is the strategy for the sanctum? 05:45 the drawbridges in the sanctum can be destroyed malor 05:46 kill high priest, get amulet, doors open, kill balrogs (watch out for bullwhips), kill Lucifer 05:46 ok, cool. The "balrog called Baalphegor" -> how powerful is that guy? He's right next to the high priest. 05:47 just your regular balrog 05:47 main danger is the whip 05:47 so the stairs I am on is NOT where I return to? Instead I head to "Lucifer" and when I am 2 squares away use a scroll of earth and then attack him. 05:47 is that correct? 05:48 yes 05:48 ok, thanks. 05:48 once you kill Lucifer there will be a portal on the left 05:48 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1410 (0:15:32) 05:49 melee would be much faster, but carries the risk he summons Demogorgon I guess 05:50 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 05:50 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:98900 (1 day, 4:14:56) 05:53 wtf xdminsy, 3 wizards??? 05:53 ok, near high priest. Is he really tough or just a bit better than a priest? 05:53 I don't know, why rodney is so many this game.. 05:54 there should be at most 2 at the same time 05:54 malor I usually just death wand him 05:54 Ah, are there 3, I didn't pay attension. 05:54 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 05:54 it looked that way... 05:54 There're 2 rodney i think. 05:54 rodney loves xdminsy! 05:54 at some point I saw 3 05:55 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the orcish high priestess of Moloch, on T:136438 (1 day, 9:20:16) 05:55 Maybe I killed one? 05:55 Lol. 05:55 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:136447 (1 day, 9:20:54) 05:56 you play too fast, can't really follow :-) 05:56 Y - the uncursed Amulet of Yendor named SRM (20 aum) 05:56 \o/ 05:57 blessing it is a good idea 05:58 plane of water looks much less relaxing with monster detection 06:02 oh, it's just telepathy 06:02 Heh I forget to cast detect monsters.. 06:02 5 cancels and no go. He can be cancelled right? 06:03 you're using a wand? 06:03 yes. 06:03 uh no? 06:03 his MR is way too high 06:04 I just use cancel in case he carries a wand of striking 06:04 ok 06:04 his inventory can still be cancelled 06:06 step one: build up a 600 HP tank 06:06 step two: plink Lucifer to death with an aklys 06:06 ...from behind boulders 06:07 what a concept 06:08 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:99250 (1 day, 4:32:14) 06:08 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the saddled barded White Horse, on T:99252 (1 day, 4:32:29) 06:08 I'm on my last aklys :) 06:08 lol 06:08 lance + dichotomy for melee? 06:09 jousting has a good chance of stunning 06:09 three out of three times, that has worked for me (at expert skill, however) 06:09 and dichotomy allows FH in inventory 06:10 dual wielding two lances, both at skilled has > 80% chance of jousting 06:10 which, as you pointed out, is better than expert 06:11 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:99292 (1 day, 4:35:09) 06:11 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Lucifer, on T:136656 (1 day, 9:35:17) 06:11 nice! 06:11 ah done 06:11 (with some reduction in to-hit) 06:11 last one did it. 06:11 \o/ 06:11 Admittedly I did accidentally throw one when not teathered. But only once :) 06:11 aklys strikes again!! 06:11 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:99300 (1 day, 4:35:47) 06:11 lol 06:11 krm26 will be happy 06:12 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) entered Purgatory, on T:136671 (1 day, 9:36:57) 06:12 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 8909446 points, T:99305, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xdminsy/evilhack/dumplog/1720317132.evil.html 06:12 congrats xdminsy! 06:12 congratulations, xdminsy! 06:13 Thanks mobileuser and tinklebear :3. 06:13 I regret that this game I lost vegan vegeterian again. 06:13 Ok, anything I need to do in Purgatory other than getting through it? 06:13 gg xdinsy 06:13 tanks malor. 06:14 you were deaf xdminsy, how could you hear the voice of Lolth :-P 06:14 Maybe that's the God power. 06:14 Shout into my mind. 06:14 In purgatory usually you just jump to escape quickly. 06:14 xdminsy: congrats \o/ 06:14 I usually avoid fight, 3x mana cost is really bad. 06:15 thanks k3ut0i. 06:15 I'm not sure, I guess this game is 11 conducts. 06:15 It originally should be 13 :( 06:15 all of the player characters can steal the amulet which then teleports it somewhere random, right? 06:16 I think maybe yes, you could avoid getting close to them. 06:16 Weird, 12 conducts. 06:16 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:17 Heh that it originally should be 14. 06:17 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 06:17 they steal, then you kill them, then it falls down, so it teleports somewhere 06:17 Yes, this game rodney stole mine and teleported, but it is close and not fell in air.. 06:18 in first level of purgatory? 06:18 Ah yes. 06:18 Oh, maybe there's no air. 06:18 that must have been very exciting 06:19 I've killed 14 rodney this game. 06:19 Sweet time. 06:19 he loves you 06:20 I think so. 06:20 https://nethackscoreboard.org/conduct.evil.html 06:21 xdminsy is the new number one 06:21 I've broke 2 vegan games lol :3 06:21 Not sure if I wanna try again. 06:22 \o/ 06:22 oh wow. congrats, xdminsy 06:23 Sweet. 06:23 Thanks. 06:24 nude giant wizard next? at least you start with an amulet of MR :-) 06:24 I assume the stairs are in the direct middle far left on the level I am on, correct? 06:24 purgatory 2? yes 06:25 ok, cool 06:25 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an elven dagger on an altar, on T:4036 (0:52:22) 06:25 portal that is 06:25 ^ not visible unless detected 06:25 Ah yes, you strike the door and jump. 06:27 ok, back to the castle. That wasn't that hard really. I was just operating from a place of fear. 06:27 really bad things might happen at any time! 06:28 :D 06:28 Part of my fear is that 95% of end game enemies are AT LEAST very fast speed in dnh, so you constantly have people running up to you and you basically can't outrun anything. But in this I outran nearly everything. 06:28 and wisely so 06:28 ;-) 06:28 centaur is faster than others 06:29 giants/tortles/draugrs can have more trouble 06:29 wait is centaur "above very fast" similar to the draugur being "slower than very fast"? 06:30 I think so, yes 06:30 oh, wow. 06:32 so now it is just leave the dungeon the normal way, right? 06:32 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 06:32 with the amulet, yes 06:32 Sounds incredible. 06:33 I thought centaur simply start with speed intrinsic. 06:33 If they above very fast I think that's so powerful race. 06:33 "very fast" is a multiplier. it multiplies your base speed, whatever that is 06:34 at least, that is how I imagine it 06:35 I think base speed is higher, but I'll try to verify 06:35 base speed of centaur? of course it is! 06:36 higher than human/elf speed of 12 06:36 player centaur? 06:37 why should centaur adventurers be slower than their peers? 06:37 their centaurian peers, I mean 06:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:37 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:37 my thoughts exactly, but I'll try to verify it in the code 06:38 in the meantime, I'll cite my sources: gut feelings about how things ought to be 06:39 strongly held gut feelings, mind you 06:41 like, why be a C character, if being a C doesn't bring with it qualities enjoyed by all the other C? 06:42 that would be like polymorphing into a "master mind flayer" that can't flay minds or fly or anything cool, but your glyph changes from a white @ to a purple h 06:43 "there you go. you're a master mind flayer. hope you're happy" 06:44 "oh, you want to brain suck too? jeez you guys never tire of complaining" 06:45 usually the answer to similar questions is, "because game balance"  :-) 06:45 lol 06:46 ok, at dL1 stairs. I just head down right? Should I do anything special first. I do NOT have magical breathing but I am flying at least. 06:46 I have the magical breathing ready 06:47 planes come in random order, but the wizard will always appear immediately 06:47 nothing more you can do... 06:48 ok 06:48 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:137477 (1 day, 10:05:43) 06:48 cool, I got earth first 06:49 or maybe not? I think its' earth. How can I tell. 06:49 elven king, minotaur 06:49 uber minotaur 06:50 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:137491 (1 day, 10:07:18) 06:51 I got 4 wizards of yendor. 06:51 ok, something drained my max hp. Not by too much 06:53 good luck! 06:53 touch of death probably 06:54 Yes, you have enough max hp. 06:54 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:54 ok, I'm on air. 06:54 No changes, right? Go for the portal with flying. 06:54 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:54 yup 06:58 ok, on fire. 06:59 so far normal order, which means all normal order. 06:59 fire -> normal plan? 06:59 yes 07:00 maybe watch out for salamanders 07:00 ok 07:02 on water, immediately change to magical breathing? And then stay in bubbles? 07:02 correct or NO? 07:03 that is a fine strategy 07:04 make sure to use confused gold detection so you can see the portal when it comes in view 07:04 can I move onto these squares that say "air" or does that kill me? 07:05 you can move anywhere but avoid the water without swimming 07:05 the "air" is air bubbles in the water, works like ground 07:05 not like "vlad air" :-) 07:06 ok 07:06 pretty much like vanilla 07:06 yeah except everything is BIG 07:06 ok, I see why you need magical breathing -> the elementals will just kill you otherwise, right? 07:07 in a number of turns, yes 07:07 yeah, continually engulfed 07:08 there it is! 07:08 Wow. 07:08 last stage! 07:08 water elemental makes 4 turns instakill. 07:08 ok, on astral. What's the strategy? 07:08 no announcement for hitting astral? 07:08 You could read one cursed genocide for woolly mammoth. 07:08 safest method: cursed genocide woolly mammoth, confused taming, whistle woolly armor around you to limit what attacks you 07:09 I have switched my amulet to AoL already. 07:09 alternate strategy: kill anything in your way 07:09 watch for archons, @npcs, riders 07:09 You could still wand of death the Pestilence and Famine, kill them and jump to altar. 07:09 should I ride this red horse also? 07:09 this is not the hardest bit malor, you'll do fine 07:09 I think centaur cannot ride? 07:09 you are a centaur 07:09 oh wait i'm a centaur :) 07:10 zap teleport, jump 07:10 yes, always have a charged and an uncharged wand of teleport out with your wand of death 07:10 be aware that wands of death will kill you if they become cursed 07:10 and you have plenty dpr 07:10 Ah I don't know that, that sounds so dangerous. 07:11 i bless my wands of death before ascension, but alternatively you could just do this thing mobileuser does called "paying attention" 07:11 lol 07:12 Will it ignore amulet of life saving? 07:12 not super likely to have potions blown up here so might as well keep a full healing in inventory 07:12 no, life saving will work, normal death 07:12 but bypasses your mr 07:12 ok, I can't see what rider is which :) 07:12 nope 07:12 just go left 07:13 geez malor you make it really hard to spy on you! 07:13 pfff the placeholder monsters in monst.c suggest centaur is a faster race (base speed), but that would suggest dwarf starts at base speed 6 which is ridiculous 07:13 so the real setting must be somewhere else 07:13 definitely do not be burdened 07:14 here are like 30 wands in your bag which are junk at this point 07:14 Weeee 42 full healing. 07:14 omigod you are carrying so much junk :-) 07:14 I guess you may only use 2 of them. 07:14 I think malor is one of nature's hoarders ;-) 07:14 +0 daggers arent a thing on astral, drop em 07:15 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:13303 (4:14:08) 07:15 kick doors for mobility 07:15 I think malor want to throw them at player monster to check black scales. 07:15 -!- Grassy has joined #evilhack 07:15 that wont tell you necessarily 07:15 not useful on astral :-) 07:15 better to teleport @npcs 07:16 whyyyy malor 07:16 ok, death is my first guy. 07:16 you are edging us 07:16 oh, sorry. 07:16 just beat death down, he'll be no issue 07:16 You have plentiful max hp, no worries. 07:17 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:137716 (1 day, 10:26:14) 07:17 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:137718 (1 day, 10:26:23) 07:18 Okay you could do so good damage. 07:19 -!- Glasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:19 grats! 07:19 first altar :) 07:19 Grats malor :D 07:19 \o/ 07:19 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu), 9108054 points, T:137745, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/evilhack/dumplog/1720091593.evil.html 07:20 way to go! 07:20 congrats malor! 07:20 good thing I had 48 full healing with me. 07:20 haha 07:20 congrats malor \o/. 07:20 thanks everyone for the help. 07:20 And you have done you first evilhack game. 07:20 i know, i told you that my typical 20 is always overkill except for when i die in situations full healing doesnt help :-) 07:20 next up: tortle convict! 07:21 srsly, giant is another really really fun and unique evilhack race to try 07:21 I was thinking of doing Draugur until I found out that I will be perma slow. Although Draugur Knight seems fun and seems like you can get dirge really quickly. 07:21 it's not too bad with speed boots or helm 07:21 I think they can ride. 07:21 right, they definitely ride. 07:21 You could overcome the slowness by riding I think. 07:22 And draugr is somewhat strong races, though they need to waste a wish for Sunsword. 07:22 I'm worried about relying on riding because my pets ALWAYS die. How do I keep my end game pegasus or whatever I am riding ALIVE? 07:22 I never ride and I still manage :-P 07:22 wand of undead turning 07:22 Let'em die :). 07:22 i find keeping the pegasi alive almost impossible 07:23 if you are wearing vecna, dragon mounts are more survivable (but slow) 07:23 yellow dragon in polished barding tends to stick around if you have a healing spell 07:23 and if you get it before the valley you can wraith it up to the 40s 07:23 by "wearing vecna" I assume you mean "not wearing dragonbane"? 07:23 yah 07:24 i guess purity works for you lame pure people 07:24 I knew that, just to avoid confusion ;-) 07:24 I think no reflection seems no problem. 07:24 And then alchemy cloak for acid resistance. 07:24 Well maybe not a problem for 600 hp too. 07:25 by the way -> the level of face tanking I did on astral would have required around TEN full healing potions if you did the same thing in dnh! I don't think that's an exageration. 07:25 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 11777 points, T:6395, killed by a baby gray dragon 07:26 I guess yes, the astral plane in evilhack is similar to vanilla. 07:26 biggest danger in evil is getting surrounded by angels, those magic missile storms can drain you quickly 07:26 imo the big danger on astral is amulet theft. it can be much worse for some classes which can have troubles damaging high ac mr npcs 07:26 Heh I've tried that, surrounded by angels. 07:26 and that, yes 07:26 i teleported the one player character I saw in front of me. 07:26 priests in particular can get in really dicey endgame situations 07:27 why priests? 07:27 low dpr? 07:27 yup 07:27 I'm going with a high dps option again, of course. Not sure which. 07:27 you can easily have an endgame character dealing about 1/4th the damage you were dishing out malor, which changes things 07:28 or like a dual-wielding tourist who is a machine but then a high ac @npc makes them miss 80% of the time 07:28 right, even with top "normal damage" my 10 potions for dnh statement was accurate. For LOW damge options it may not even be possible to face tank what I did here because the spawn rate of new nearly-unkillable-angels would keep up with you. 07:28 and the priests summon ants that are each around the power of a wooly mammoth and hit like a brick. 07:29 like I said, dnh astral is much harder :-) 07:29 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6697 (5:09:12) 07:30 it's not because of "wages" though. It's automatic because of those. SlashDNH (my variant that I'm making) does not have "wages" so astral will be a big issue. My current brainstorm solution is to have REALLY SLOW SPAWN RATE on astral, so you can just go through slowly but surely. 07:30 well, disregarding wages 07:30 right, without wages you can definitely lose pretty easily. 07:31 because you can't realy safely have a full healing in inventory and you are taking 200 damage a round a lot of the time. 07:32 I"ve ascended 15 of 19 variants now! That's third best. And NO ONE has all 19 still. 07:32 now go for my evilhack streak record! 07:32 you have to be kidding. 07:32 ;-) 07:33 If i *EVER* get a 2 streak I will be really delighted :) 07:33 that was my highest turncount ascension ever. 137,745. Second highest was 99,152. 07:34 fifth place in evilhack rankings (highest turncount) 07:35 wow, of people that have ascended it is the slowest best-time-for-that-member -> https://nethackscoreboard.org/turncount.evil.html 07:36 heheh 07:37 duration (time) wise it is right in the middle though. 07:37 I have an arc hobbit on 132,958, I remember I had an incredibly slow start there... nothing went my way 07:37 which makes sense since I control-move all the time and underscore-move almost all the time. So I get a lot of movement turns per second when I am clicking :) 07:39 yeah, average speed per turn could be an interesting statistic, except that many people leave their terminal open for ages 07:39 My ssh connection will get lost after sometime. 07:39 right, that was requested so i did *some* of the programming to have a page for that. I'll probably release it with the other 5 or 6 screens that are new one of these days. 07:40 Ah you are the admin. 07:40 question -> there were a LOT of jabberwocks. Can all of them potentially insta-kill you? 07:40 Nope. 07:40 only vorpal ones 07:41 ok. 07:41 that's a big advantage of neutrals 07:41 vorpy! 07:41 Quite great, what's the advantage of chaotic in evilhack. 07:41 yeah, in all the other variants my opinion is neutral is the most difficult. But vorpal blade was really good this game. 07:41 I find lawful seems better. 07:42 in dnh lawful is easiest, then chaotic, then neutral. 07:42 in the past lawful was the worst, but K2 gave them some love in recent years 07:42 they seem to have a couple really nice forge artifacts (lawful). 07:42 I see casters and melee roles can benefit from lawful gifts. 07:43 congratulations, malor 07:43 the gauntlets of purity and hammer of the gods seem like they are game winners. 07:43 thanks 07:43 but my precious centaurs aren't lawful :( 07:43 cha has ring of p'hul to wish for! :-) 07:43 it's been interesting to hear your comparison-commentary wrt dnethack 07:43 Yes you can play lawful next time. 07:43 I seem to never played lawful in evilhack. 07:44 because wizards aren't lawful :) 07:44 can always permaconvert 07:44 mobileuser won't it be stolen? 07:44 archmagi/purity wizard... 07:44 that is a risk, yes 07:44 I haven't ever perma-converted. Seems scary to me. 07:44 But it should be a great early wish, mr + free action. 07:45 and sickness res 07:45 Oh right. 07:45 but then you have to fight the barbarian quest boss right? 07:46 You first artifact wish should be okay without problem. 07:46 oh, i see. 07:46 Then later artiwishes may fail and may come with their owner. 07:46 "should"? 07:46 Well, I think it is always okay :D 07:46 ok 07:47 Maybe some may blast you, need good hp. 07:49 Dramborleg -> this kills balrogs in one hit. Seems insanely good. And lawful can wish for it, right? 07:50 Heh I think in evilhack usually you just sacrifice for it. 07:50 I think yes, if you want to wish for one directly. 07:50 oh right, I forgot you get a lot of gifts eventually. 07:51 Yes that should pretty good weapon, all balrog have a +5 bullwhip of fire.. 07:51 in a recent game, i found dramborleg lying on the floor in one of the emptied castle barracks. 07:51 i left it there too. seemed like the thing to do 07:53 malor: congrats! i'm a little late for the party 07:53 how does this person have vorpal blade? -> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1707505981.evil.html 07:53 thanks 07:53 Maybe luck? 07:54 but i thought it would evade grasp by a lawful person? 07:54 vorpal blade isn't intelligent, whatever that means 07:54 Well. 07:54 yup 07:54 oh, I see. 07:54 so they found it on the floor or in bones and then used it. Makes sense. 07:54 I could have stolen it from an NPC too 07:54 malor this game mobileuser started neutral. 07:54 oh 07:54 lol 07:55 was that my longest game? 07:55 question -> I like the idea of "hammer of the gods" but if i am throwing it all the time is it going to end up dropping like a normal aklys does? 07:55 yes 07:55 99% return 07:55 Ah yes. 07:56 99% is not very high when I would have otherwise tossed it 10,000 times :) 07:56 It sounds very high :D. 07:56 Everytime I use aklys I usually carry 4. 07:57 I will never understand the aklys thing. never 07:57 "the blessed Magic Mirror of Merlin" I think I got that one from bones 07:57 But as hammer of the gods could do more damage, maybe it don't need to throw that many times. 07:57 I think that's how many I had and was down to my last one against Lucifer, although I lost one to accidentally throwing when it wasn't tethered :) 07:58 true on hammer of the gods. But if it is also your melee weapon you feel pretty bad while you have to get it back :) 07:58 I think make 10 Aklys of the Gods should be enough :D 07:58 how come the gnomes don't know how to throw their special clubs? 07:59 i seem to remember that they can in dnethack. is that right? 07:59 I think you could enchant some more main weapons. 07:59 I hadn't ever used an aklys until this game so I don't know :) 07:59 So then if it lost, use other artifacts to retreive it. 07:59 in dnh face tanking or avoiding combat ALWAYS works :) 07:59 tinklebear in dnh an aklys is more like a polearm 08:00 ah. okay 08:03 <@malorpower> neutral barbarian seems like a strong choice, they get my boy "vorpal blade" and also ring of pthul (sp?). 08:03 Go go. 08:05 Yes and as rodney cannot steal your quet aritfact. 08:05 It should be very awesome. 08:06 oh rodney can't steal YOUR OWN qa, but an steal others? 08:06 also that allows me to play training-wheels-centaur again :) 08:06 Yes. 08:06 I'm going to wiz-test very fast speed real quick to be sure if it is "faster than very fast" and "slower than very fast for tortles/draugur". 08:07 I am still trying to find it in the code :-) 08:07 Heh. 08:07 Good luck. 08:07 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:08 The drow is also awesome races you could try, and they can enchant dark elven armors to +6/+7. 08:09 and they can jump in the dark 08:09 Right, drow wizard could jump 4 squares in dark every time. 08:09 what! is that new? 08:09 it isn't "dark" to them 08:10 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:10 oh! you mean jump in the dark, as it was lit. I thought, in darkness they somehow acquired jumping(without spell or boots) 08:11 heh, no :D 08:11 Ok per 20 turns: centaur very fast: 49, human very fast: 31, draugur very fast: 27. So a pretty GIANT difference. 08:11 yeah, I just meant they can see "where to land" in the dark 08:14 and I tried "monk human" -> 32 moves (probably just rounding and would have been 31). "monk draugur": 32 also. SO draugur will be the same as NORMAL races once you get "innate fast" which is easy to get via wand of speed, right? 08:15 this time I only got 43 on Centaur. So there might be a little variance on that. But it is definitely WAY faster. 08:16 Sounds the centuars can be so fast. 08:17 <@malorpower> Yes. Centaurs will be much better in the end game as a result 08:18 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 08:18 What's their starting speed? 08:18 <@malorpower> But at least draugur aren’t nerfed which is nice 08:18 <@malorpower> Just normal “fast” I think? But not sure 08:19 Centaurs has a faster basic speed, and then start with intrinsic speed. 08:19 Sounds they're likely to be twice as fast as a starting human. 08:22 maybe it's base speed 18 for centaur, but I don't know if I understand the code correctly 08:23 K2 will know 08:23 or terrapin 08:23 (hopefully waiting to see if I summoned them...) 08:23 Base speed 18 is already close to human very fast 20 08:24 and they start with the speed intrinsic too 08:25 Yes, sounds they should get 27 speed from the start. 08:25 Well nope, 24. 08:25 malor monks start with the speed intrinsic 08:26 oh monk human vs monk draugr... 08:26 human should be slightly faster 08:27 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Neu) murdered Rex, her faithful little dog, on T:187 (0:00:39) 08:27 nabru :-( 08:27 :( 08:27 Heh you lurking in channel. 08:28 player centaur starts with base speed of 18 08:28 congrats xdminsy and malor! 08:28 \o/ 08:29 thanks K2 :D 08:29 I've done 3 weaponless wizards, lol do you like that? 08:29 love it 08:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:29 how it should be imo 08:30 wizard says 'i dont need nor use such mundane objects' 08:30 Yes, wizards could deal with everything with spells. 08:30 so even with force bolt power cost adjusted you still did weaponless ok? 08:30 Well but with 3 power force bolt, I have thrown some mundane daggers :D 08:30 * K2 gasps 08:30 WAT 08:31 heh 08:31 Yes, 1 power force bolt I could use no weapon. 08:31 [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:16187 (5:10:48) 08:31 3 power force bolt I need to throw some daggers to save power. 08:31 I've throwed +7 Secespita a lot in early game, and later 5 +7 dark evlen daggers. 08:31 Deal with little enemies. 08:32 you shoulda just cast burning hands/shocking grasp and punched them :P 08:32 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha), 744 points, T:360, burned by an exploding fire bomb 08:32 Heh doesn't it cost more power than force bolt. 08:33 I'm not sure, pitifully I hardly cast these two spells :P. 08:33 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 08:34 thanks. 08:35 I think they could be useful sometimes if there are many peaceful mosnters. 08:35 thanks K2, base speed of 18 confirmed! 08:35 To avoid angering them, well usually force bolt could do this too, but need to find a good direction. 08:35 at the start a druagur monk is slower than a human monk, but based on my tests they are the same speed when they both have very fast speed. 08:36 -!- terrapin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 08:36 Is that by design, sounds like a bug actually. 08:37 i got 22 moves from a starting draugur monk. 25 moves for human monk. 08:37 only way to really know I suppose is to either run the game in gdb and grab their actual speed value, or make a value display like TH or MC that shows speed (latter would just be a wizmode thing) 08:38 malor by the way we fixed the bug you noticed with dual wielding giantslayer 08:38 Ah yes that would be accurate. 08:38 what was the bug? I don't remember? 08:39 Heh, the damage? 08:39 Maybe you're the first one using giantslayer. 08:39 if you have 25 str you can dual wield any weight of weapon without the huge to hit penalty, but that wasnt happening when wielding giantslayer (which gives 25 str) 08:40 ah, right it didn't give you the same benefit as gauntlets said they did. 08:40 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/283d40ace6f170accd0b3bb56d1bff7a8da87e8e 08:40 I see. 08:40 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41 terrapin came up with the solution 08:45 chaotic doesn't seem to be better than neutral in any way other than the barbarian quest ring. Killing shk's is not required since there isn't really any money sinc in evilhack other than protection. 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha), 1156 points, T:1650, killed by the Goblin King 08:45 how do you feel now malor now that you've asc evilhack? 08:46 relieved. 08:46 heh 08:46 that wasnt so bad now was it 08:46 or do you mean about evilhack. Evilhack is the best variant. My favorite is still ndnh. But I have to admit that logically evilhack is the best one. 08:46 and it is a LOT of fun. 08:46 thanks! 08:47 my "official" fun factor rankings are coming soon. 08:47 cool 08:50 K2 I have trying to understand the code for base speed. Where does the dwarf starting race get its base speed? 08:50 The dwarf placeholder in monst.c says 6, but that doesn't make sense. 08:50 * have been 08:50 lemme look 08:55 <@malorpower> "Official" fun factor rankings, please comment: 08:55 <@malorpower> Tier "E" for "Extremely Fun" 08:55 <@malorpower> Evil 08:55 <@malorpower> dnh 08:55 <@malorpower> ndnh 08:55 <@malorpower> nndnh 08:55 <@malorpower> Gnoll 08:55 <@malorpower> Hackem 08:55 <@malorpower> Tier "S" for "slightly more fun than vanilla" 08:55 <@malorpower> slashthem 08:55 <@malorpower> slashem 08:56 <@malorpower> X 08:56 <@malorpower> Tier "V" for "as fun as vanilla" 08:56 <@malorpower> Un 08:56 <@malorpower> FIQ 08:56 <@malorpower> FourK 08:56 <@malorpower> Ace 08:56 <@malorpower> Four 08:56 <@malorpower> Dyna 08:56 <@malorpower> 3.4.3 08:56 <@malorpower> 3.6 08:56 <@malorpower> 3.7 08:56 <@malorpower> Splice 08:56 <@malorpower> Tier "L" for "less fun than vanilla". 08:56 <@malorpower> NOTE: all of these are still fun, nethack is a really nice game. 08:56 <@malorpower> Grunt 08:56 <@malorpower> Spork 08:57 weee 08:57 mobileuser i had to do some digging, it's not straightforward 08:58 sorry about how the message gets copied over as 25 messages :( 08:58 NORMAL_SPEED is 12, used by both players and monsters 08:59 u.umovement is set to NORMAL_SPEED in allmain.c 08:59 gotta take mini-me to gymnastics, back in a bit 08:59 thanks, later! 08:59 Is evil or dnh harder in your mind malor? 09:00 evil is much harder. 09:00 dnh is a lot harder than it once was, but still relatively easy. 09:00 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1807 (0:14:42) 09:00 Hah, you descripted that sounds dnh astral are very hard. 09:00 I was also looking in allmain.c, but then I don't understand how draugr, tortle etc are taken into account 09:00 it is nearly impossible EXCEPT you have these things called "wages" which make it trivial. 09:00 Heh I see. 09:01 Is there a wagesless conduct in dnh? 09:01 I don't know, I never achieved it if so. A few times I have said to myself, "my dps is really good I don't need wages this game". Then a few turns later I'm using wages. Astral is so hard in dnh without them :) 09:02 I can attest to that first hand. I was one shoting rodney, had 800>HP and almost got killed being too cocky on astral. 09:03 Oooops. 09:03 Sounds pretty mandatory. 09:03 I think I'm going draugur knight. 09:03 that's what I wanted to play before I found out that every race is a total gimp compared to centaur :) 09:03 I think draugr cannot train domesic by throwing foods. 09:04 Then you need to take care of your starting pet. 09:04 we don't have undead pets yet :( 09:04 they start with a horse you can ride. 09:04 Ah yes, the centaur speed sounds amazing. 09:05 Heh, hope them won't die from illness. 09:05 I'll wiztest to see. 09:05 Maybe you need to apply lance a lot from the start, to avoid melee zombies when riding. 09:06 Status of the saddled lesser nightmare (female, chaotic): Level 3 HP 2(17) AC 6, tame (10; hungry 1001; apport 5), dying from illness.--More-- 09:07 nope they are not immune. Although he did take out quite a few zombies before he died :) 09:07 Yes riding could avoid them fighting zombies, unridable pets usually fight Z and die from illness. 09:07 Especially if they are faster than player. 09:08 You cannot stop them from fighting zombies :( 09:09 malor some zombies are much nastier, like drow zombies and ettin zombies. 09:09 Heh anyway, just play :D. 09:13 maybe I won't meet any zombies? 09:14 Ah, many undead may be peaceful to draugr I think. 09:14 I haven't play draugr myself. 09:15 But I remember that you need to wish for Sunsword, otherwise A wish Sunsword can instakill you.. 09:15 <@malorpower> your pets don't understand peaceful though 🙂 09:15 ah lol, the speed adjustments are hidden in the weight_cap() function 09:15 yeah, many undead will be peaceful 09:17 wish for Sunsword or use a wand of pay attention :-P 09:17 <@malorpower> I'm also considering neutral barbarian centaur and also considering drow wizard. 09:18 Randomly choose one. 09:18 Trust the RNG. 09:18 !rng bar wiz kni 09:18 xdminsy: wiz 09:19 <@malorpower> do cursed lamps generate darkness? Or do only cursed MAGIC lamps? 09:19 <@malorpower> Darkness or not is humongous for drow! 09:19 No. 09:19 You need magic lamps. 09:19 Well but drow wizards could use staff of archimagi for darkness. 09:19 If you don't play weaponless. 09:19 and you can cast darkness at some Pw cost 09:20 <@malorpower> ah, so that always makes it dark also. 09:20 <@malorpower> cool. 09:20 <@malorpower> I'm not playing anything-less. If there is a broken ability I'm jumping on 🙂 09:20 Yes, I think though chaotic is not somewhat good, but drow is a great races, but drows can only be chaotic.. 09:20 Yes, then wizards could have best experience. 09:21 You could create monsters, you could finger of death, you could do infinite polypiling :D. 09:21 <@malorpower> you can't get staff of arch-magi without being chaotic, right? Becuase secespita is chaotic. Am I right? 09:21 Then need to wish for it. 09:21 neutral wizards can wish for Secespita 09:21 Or convert to chaotic then farm. 09:21 <@malorpower> I ended that last game with at least SIX never used wands of polymorph. I already had infinite poly piling 🙂 09:21 <@malorpower> I left a few in my stash. 09:22 <@malorpower> I'm leaning wizard. 09:22 Ah yes, I think you could do polypiling asap. 09:22 sometimes you can find Infidel bones with Secespita 09:23 xdminsy -> is my best strategy to stay at "skilled attack spells" until i have a lot of excess power? 09:23 I think you could go expert if not weaponless. 09:24 ok, fine :) 09:24 Or skilled damage should be fine, but not basic. 09:24 I think I would stay at skilled until level 15 09:24 ok, I'll stay at skilled for at least a good bit. 09:24 i'm going wizard. 09:25 Yes, and drow wizards are shorter on mana early compared to others. 09:25 until expert would mean casting FoD with 0% fail 09:25 "It is written in the Book of Crom:" -> oops I selected Neutral Barbarian Centaur. I guess the game wants me to be a Centaur. JK. 09:25 Hehehe. 09:26 Go with Crom! \o/ 09:26 Not bad, familiar melee combo. 09:26 i'm in as a drow wizard. 09:27 !whereis malor 09:27 xdminsy: [hdf-us] malor [evil]: (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 09:27 Ah yes. 09:27 can I safely eat a sewar rat? 09:27 That break vegan :P. 09:28 Heh, why would it be not safe. 09:28 xdminsy stop giving me hints that only apply to epic-godlike play :) 09:28 in either slashthem or gnoll they can confer disease. I don't recall which. I'm thinking "gnoll" :) 09:28 Heh I'm joking. 09:28 Ah then no, it's vanilla sewer rat. 09:28 I know you are :). And so am I :) 09:29 I know :D 09:30 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:31 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:32 I remember my drow ranger, I almost immediately died in the first room because all my arrows broke in the light and my pet fell through a trapdoor 09:32 I survived by jumping into the trap door :-) 09:32 does the pseudo dragon walk over cursed things? I seem to recal their ability is NOT "won't walk over cursed" like a normal pet? 09:33 Hahaha. 09:33 pseudo dragon behaves like other pets 09:33 Drow projectiles are so frigile. 09:34 malor it's very powerful pets, I think wizards can train ancient pseudodragon and they can kill all watchmen in minetown. 09:34 Except the captain. 09:35 normal pets cannot kill even one watchman in evilhack.. 09:35 i'm asking if it willingly will walk over a cursed item? I am trying to know if I can wear these boots I found on the ground :) 09:35 Yes mobileuser answered that :D 09:35 it will normally avoid cursed items like other pets 09:35 normal pet behavior. 09:35 oh, i miessed that. my bust. Thanks. 09:35 or walk reluctantly 09:42 oh yeah, I forgot I start with a bunch of random items :) 09:43 Lolth (assuming that's the diety) wanted to make sure I didn't listen to xdminsy as here are my starting scrolls "i - 2 uncursed scrolls of enchant weapon (10 aum)" 09:44 strong hint! 09:44 Hah that's not bad, and you got bugle, fancy item. 09:45 I think you won't forget to not use it in minetown.. 09:46 what does the bugle do for me? 09:46 scare tool 09:46 It's the best scare item, but it will anger watchmen and soldiers. 09:46 15 times I searched and still didn't confirm a trap I was 90% sure was there :) 09:47 ok, got it. 09:49 the pseudo dragon one shot a nymph, that's useful 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 442 points, T:1227, killed by a spear trap 09:49 one shot by a trap. 09:49 :( 09:50 The drow has very few hp like elves. 09:50 Usually I level up to like 3 or 4 and force bolt mines to level up to 6 or 7. 09:50 And still few hp lol. 09:51 Spear trap really hurts, unlucky. 09:52 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3101 (0:18:22) 09:53 I was also looking in allmain.c, but then I don't understand how draugr, tortle etc are taken into account <--- mobileuser, funny enough, look in hack.c in the weight_cap() function 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3310 (0:19:49) 09:53 yeah the the speed adjustments are hidden in the weight_cap() function 09:53 there's undoubtedly a better way to do that bit 09:54 I found that one while you were gone :-) 09:54 heh 09:54 so the monst.c templates are not actually used for starting race base speed 09:55 it's default NORMAL_SPEED with adjustments in the weight_cap() function 09:56 yeah 09:56 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a silver saber named Grayswandir on an altar, on T:3627 (0:22:17) 09:56 poly'd into your speed will match its speed set in monst.c I would imagine 09:57 ah, that makes sense 09:57 aaaaaahhhh wtf is this? 09:57 there's a solid black line running from the top to bottom of my main screen 09:57 its thin but noticable 09:57 ewww 09:58 that wasnt there earlier this morning 10:00 Scary. 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:486 (0:02:18) 10:08 it seems spellcasters can still attack you with the cancellation spell even when you stand on a scroll of scare monster... 10:08 and they can certainly summon nasties 10:11 yes any monster can and will range attack you if you're standing on ?oSM 10:11 same in vanilla i think 10:11 it only works when they get within melee range 10:11 (right next to you) 10:12 rebooted, black line is gone 10:12 man i hope this monitor isnt on its way out. it's not that old 10:13 for the summon nasties: the arch-lich was adjacent 10:13 well he's a dick 10:13 not sure about the cancellation 10:13 lol 10:13 :P 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 743 points, T:1976, killed by a giant mosquito 10:14 i'd have to dig into the guts of how ?oSM works, but i'm pretty sure it only takes melee attacks into consideration 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) murdered MiisuBoi, her faithful little dog, on T:129 (0:00:50) 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby owlbear, on T:5497 (0:41:11) 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:5503 (0:42:03) 10:16 brb dishes time 10:18 K2 "most monsters will become scared and flee instead of attacking you in melee" you are right :-) 10:22 holy cow I just wiz tested tortle shell. -41 AC at level one! 10:23 Lastgame I killed 7 alhoons, it seems that alhoons will only run away if you stand on ?oSM. 10:23 But those liches often cast cancellation and summon nasties. 10:23 I'm not sure if i remember correctly. 10:25 It seems that small L may cast cancellation more, maybe because purple L tend to cast touch of death or other melee spells. 10:36 <@malorpower> I'm going Illithid wizard instead. 10:36 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class N, on T:8202 (1:03:01) 10:38 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8946 (1:10:08) 10:46 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 21147 points, T:9158, killed by a tortle priestess of Chih Sung-tzu 10:53 standing on scare monster with an arch-lich will increase the rate it casts summon nasties 10:54 so not always a great idea 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:937 (0:07:50) 10:59 apparently "magical" can mean "-1" also :) 11:01 krm26 so in Vecna 2 using a scare monster scroll is actually useless? 11:01 oops I forgot about my initial rings again and I had a +1 constitution ring and already gained to level 5. 11:04 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 11:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:77645 (1 day, 10:22:25) 11:06 urgh hand of vecna 11:06 oh well 11:06 still no permalight 11:09 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:11 my analysis from all my kas clears is that using scare monster on the kas steps makes those 4 arch-liches MORE difficult 11:11 that is just one idiot's opinion tho 11:17 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 11:24 If I already have a bag of holding do I still go for the 50% magic marker as a wizard for the sokoban prize? 11:28 everything is situational but i go for the tool like 1 in 20 times 11:28 like 15/20 amulet, 4/20 armor 11:43 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:57141 (15:12:15) 11:57 argh mobileuser i cant decide! one of these storekeepers has crystal plate, and i have some gray scales i wanna use...come kill the storekeeper for me 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:75975 (17:09:18) 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 789 points, T:1408, killed by the Goblin King 12:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:76469 (17:28:56) 12:28 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2551 (0:15:00) 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a platinum circular amulet on an altar, on T:3745 (0:24:54) 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:3885 (0:28:10) 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:33239 (11:22:54) 12:48 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a kobold, on T:4634 (0:35:40) 12:54 does a wand of cancellation blasted at a bag of holding UN-curse it? 12:55 yes 12:58 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:59 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:05 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:11 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:11 surely you have killed that shopkeeper now krm26? 13:15 yeah i munched em 13:15 so now i can wear my amulet of esp with my gray scale crystal plate 13:15 i also read all my amnesia scrolls and took myself back to the cradle to relearn dual broadsword and shuriken 13:15 so now more heavy daggers, yay 13:17 no free action but otherwise mine to lose at this point 13:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Kos, on T:79542 (18:22:53) 13:18 your black sword hums ominously, boo 13:19 \o/ 13:20 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:20 stupid god gave me stormbringer early, could at least give me some other piece of trash for crowning 13:21 liiikke a nice ring of phul 13:26 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27 you could have unlocked a skill 13:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:79902 (18:32:10) 13:42 you hate stormbringer too krm26? 13:42 first the mitre, now SB 13:42 smh 13:43 no, i dont hate stormbringer (well i kinda do, but i was whining because kos gave me stormbringer early which means i get nada for crowning) 13:43 only thing i have against stormbringer is that im incompetent and kill everything 13:44 although i was thinking how underwhelming stormbringer's drain level rate is when there are now so many instakill artifacts 13:48 <@malorpower> so Infidels have increased hunger, faster luck time out, and higher spell casting costs (all due to the AoY). Is that correct? 13:51 yeah 13:52 on the flipside, all that goes away once you reach the sanctum and imbue the idol of moloch 13:52 so where all other roles have to deal with that during the endgame, infidels do not 13:52 CRAP the line came back 13:52 and now its dark blue 13:53 interesting. 13:53 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:53 not the line thing, the infidel thing. 13:54 140% of the tie it is a bad ribbon connector 13:55 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 13:55 omg this is driving me nuts 13:56 turning the monitor on/off does nothing 13:57 malor in demon form, it's also pretty easy to reach high max Pw as Infidel. And you get Pw regen from the Idol. 13:57 mobileuser has a whole 'do this dont do that' page on the wiki concerning infidel 13:57 and demon doesn't need to eat, but yeah, you still get hungry from casting. 13:57 so you still need snacks 13:58 I need to write a draugr section for that page... 13:59 snacky snacks 13:59 here betty white, have a snickers 13:59 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:03 or a munchy box 14:04 :-) 14:04 K2, is the version of Hackem you are using for hardfought, the same one here: https://github.com/elunna/hackem -> I ask because the "version hash" is different. The listed version is the same of course, but I don't think that's changed with every small iterative change someone makes. 14:06 yes and no 14:06 i maintain my own repos for all the variants hosted on hardfought 14:06 hackem - https://github.com/k21971/HackEM 14:06 but, I pull directly from the original repos 14:07 only edits I make are to things like the hints files for server specific play 14:08 Ok, thanks. 14:09 are you eyeing up first ascensions malor :-) 14:09 looks like i'm missing a few commits 14:09 latest one that went on hdf was the book of the dead hotfix I think 14:10 (bbl) 14:11 there, caught up 14:11 just need to apply to servers 14:11 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:14 hackem has a lot available :). But i asked about the "repo" because I am toying with trying to maintain hackem in hackemslashem's place. Interestingly he asked me to join forces with him originally since we both started our variants at very close to the same time. His work is FAR FAR more vast that mine and also WILDLY different. So working together wouldn't have been great for either of us :). But I always liked the 14:14 Hackem variant but now it is dead unless someone picks it up again. 14:15 he was working on porting it over to 3.7 14:15 he made quite a bit of progress before he popped smoke 14:15 I know. That is a weird mistake imho. 14:15 i think Noisytoot saved his repo for that before he disappeared 14:15 3.7 isn't a better base than evilhack for one thing. 14:16 well 14:16 at some point evilhack will port over to 3.7 14:16 it'll still be all the things we love/hate about evilhack, just 3.7 under the hood instead of 3.6 14:16 oh i see. 14:17 there's a lot of bugs fixes and optimizations in 3.7 that 3.6 lacks 14:17 and hackemslashem was doing that - redoing hackem, just onto 3.7 14:17 I don't understand what constitutes "being 3.7" vs. "being evilhack". My limited understanding is that "3.7 has things that operate in a certain way" and "evilhack has things that operate in a certain way". 14:17 https://git.noisytoot.org/mirror/NerfHack 14:17 but it sounds like "3.7 is more of a framework modification" 14:18 well every variant has things that 'operate a certain way' 14:18 yeah 14:18 i see then. 14:18 plus there's lua 14:18 all the levels in 3.7 are done in lua now 14:18 ok, so an easier to manipulate interface. 14:18 a LOT more code functions are exposed to lua vs old des file way 14:18 can do a lot more 14:18 xnethack has taken advantage of that 14:19 is nerfhack playable. And why did he call it nerfhack, was it way easier (ala 3.7 vs. evil) or was it just a name? 14:19 just a name i think 14:19 The version I have is from the 25th of February 2024, just after the NerfHack rename. Nobody seems to have a newer version (if you do, please publish it or send it to me so I can) 14:19 I don't. 14:20 also, there are a few things in 3.7 i dont like that would be removed/reverted when evilhack is ported over 14:20 removed/recerted/altered 14:21 *reverted 14:21 omg i am not looking forward to doing all that 14:21 I think fiqhack is the best variant to rebase on, but 3.7 has the advantage of lua levels 14:21 does not look like it compiles. 14:22 oh wait, i had a typo. 14:22 maybe it will compile... 14:22 i'm not going to port evilhack onto 3.7 until 3.7 is officially released 14:22 who knows when that will be 14:22 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:23 ok, it does seem to fail to compile. 14:24 I wish I lived in sweeden, I would like to ask Hackemslashem what happened all of a sudden. It had to be some sort of family thing. 14:25 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 14:25 you could try emailing him 14:26 oh, what's his email? 14:26 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:27 Look at the commit log 14:27 Author: Erik Lunna 14:28 Oh. 14:28 Sure I'll email him and see if he responds. 14:30 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:32 heh 14:33 if he responds, let us know 14:33 of course. 14:33 malor maybe cbus can help with compiling 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:82573 (19:38:31) 14:34 I don't think I was doing it incorrectly, but sure if it is just a process problem :). Here's what I did -> ./setup.sh hints/linux ; make fetch-lua ; make all -> that gets errored out eventually. 14:35 thats what I do too 14:35 not sure about make fetch-lua I always forget about that 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:82574 (19:39:27) 14:35 whats the error? 14:35 I am not sure if hackemslashem is responding to mails since he dropped everything 14:35 isn't lua a 3.7 thing? 14:35 yes 14:35 ../win/curses/cursmesg.c: In function ‘curses_message_win_puts’: 14:35 ../win/curses/cursmesg.c:89:5: error: unknown type name ‘cchar_t’; did you mean ‘wchar_t’? 14:35 89 | cchar_t mixed_leadin_cchar[2]; 14:35 | ^~~~~~~ 14:35 | wchar_t 14:35 ../win/curses/cursmesg.c:162:13: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘setcchar’; did you mean ‘getchar’? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration] 14:35 162 | if (setcchar(mixed_leadin_cchar, w, 14:36 | ^~~~~~~~ 14:36 | getchar 14:36 have you installed ncurses-dev? 14:36 ../win/curses/cursmesg.c:212:13: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘mvwadd_wch’; did you mean ‘mvwaddch’? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration] 14:36 212 | mvwadd_wch(win, my, mx, mixed_leadin_cchar); 14:36 | ^~~~~~~~~~ 14:36 | mvwaddch 14:36 oh I thought malor was compiling the 3.6 based version 14:36 oh 3.7 no clue 14:36 I lost interested in that 14:36 the 3.6 version I've had running for years. That works great. 14:36 nerfhack is nothing like hackem 14:36 maybe not years, but a long time :) 14:36 malor you gotta learn to use termbin :P 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) refused to give up The Master Key of Thievery to the Master of Thieves, on T:82681 (19:41:16) 14:37 if it is 3.7 you might need those fucky arguments 14:37 to compile ncurses 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:82682 (19:41:22) 14:37 ok, then I don't want "nerfhack" anway, so no sense worrying about it. 14:37 hackem compiles and runs really well. 14:37 make WANT_WIN_TTY=1 WANT_WIN_CURSES=1 all 14:37 also K2 -> send me how to use "termbin" if possible. I'm on a Mac fyi. 14:38 cbus -> same exact errors. Although I didn't install "ncurses-dev". 14:38 not sure on a mac, but on my ubuntu servers, I have this in my .bashrc file 14:38 alias tb="nc termbin.com 9999" 14:38 I have ncurses already. 14:39 which allows me to do things like 14:39 cat file.log | tb 14:39 pipes the contents of file.log to termbin 14:39 which gives you a weblink to it 14:39 so it doesn't appear as 50 messages :) 14:39 si 14:40 https://termbin.com/0b3e 14:41 yeah, I doubt greatly Hackemslashem will reply. You don't delete all before you leave and then respond to email quickly usually :) 14:41 i copy/pasted some of my irc content to a file, and piped it to termbin 14:42 ok, that was pretty easy -> https://termbin.com/1ux5 14:43 heheh 14:43 OFFICIAL 14:44 yes, "Official" 14:44 :-) 14:44 :D 14:44 it's in quotes, so "official" is the name, not actually being official, but since no one else has disputed the rankings I keep using it :) 14:45 and I do modify it based on feedback, so it's pretty close to *actually* official. 14:45 yeah, I was just kidding :-P 14:45 heh 14:45 I know but that's the first time someone even mentioned that so I piped in with my explanation I was planning to give a year or so ago when I first made these :) 14:45 well the fun factor one I made over the course of the last couple days. 14:46 weeee 14:47 what I love about irc sometimes is that you are never really sure that a comment is based on the last message or some message way above. I choose to think the "weeee" was in reference to contacting hackemslashem again :) 14:47 no, it was fun factor 14:47 weeee 14:48 irc is like a pub where everybody talks at the same moment 14:49 although, unlike in a pub, it only slightly disturbs understanding what's going on 14:50 also you dont have to shout over the shitty band/karaoke noise 14:50 infidel -> mobileuser how do I go about getting holy water? 14:52 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 14:52 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 14:54 malor, haha yeah I also love how chill irc is in that "ppl will reply when they read it, just need to wait" 14:54 malor: how come dynahack being less fun than unnethack? most people that play seem to like it more than unnethack (maybe in a 'for what it is' that is a variant frozen in time) 14:55 malor, same way other roles get holy water 14:55 i mean unholy water :-) 14:55 you can kill a @priest, or find it randomly, or use confusion 14:56 what are those? I've always used confused blessed remove curse. But I can't bless remove curse without having holy water first :) 14:56 oh priests have holy water. I didn't even know that! 14:56 yeah, @infidels have unholy and @priests have holy 14:56 ok, cool. 14:56 but there is always the confused blessed scroll of remove curse option 14:56 just planning this out. I think infidel will be harder but not epic difficulty, based on what I'm seeing. 14:58 you are on the clock at the start to sacrifice to moloch, and you have the champions and whatnot generating to bone you...the start can be quite challenging 14:58 what are champions? 14:58 agents and champions generate to take you out/take your amulet 14:59 the agents quaf invis and then will yoink your amulet and teleport away 14:59 and they are assholes 14:59 the champions are just beefy and will close and slug it out 14:59 and then there is the paladin, ugh 15:03 malor Infidel is the only role where I price-id all my scrolls 15:03 just to get at remove curse 15:04 and hope I find a blessed one 15:05 hm, maybe this is out of my league :) 15:06 K2: oh the things you can do in lua. selections are HUGE 15:07 i dont doubt it 15:08 $3000 for a potion of water! man, shopkeepers do NOT like zombies 15:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:09 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 15:10 it's a fun one to try malor! 15:10 give centaur infidel a try 15:11 ugh, tons of royal jelly just to TAUNT ME 15:16 <@malorpower> oh you know I will be a centaur when I try it :). Centaur is the new noob barb 🙂 15:19 endless hives full of jelly 15:20 over 40, more than i've found in my last 10 games combined...and im draugr :-( 15:20 heh 15:21 Ab 15:23 a 15:23 b 15:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:26 storms about to hit here 15:26 bleh 15:26 glad a mowed 15:26 *I 15:26 hurricane beryl remnants 15:33 haha, forged 3 silver aklyses of frost 15:34 HAX 15:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:37 If I am wearing a cursed item and nothing else that has a "+1 bonus" can I zap myself with cancelation to uncurse the worn item? 15:38 yeah 15:38 as an infidel though you want your armor/weapons to be cursed 15:39 and you dont suffer from worn objects welding themselves to you 15:39 heh I bless my weapons as infidel 15:39 HAX 15:40 cursed weapons get an extra dmg bonus vs angels fyi 15:40 but cursed is ok, infidel is weldproof 15:40 it's not like you fight angels a lot ;-) 15:41 I think malor is playing wizard at the moment 15:41 I am a wizard, yes. 15:42 oh 15:42 malor during the game you ascended, did you visit the ice queens realm? 15:46 that's where you get the bag of holding, right? 15:46 yeah the artifact boh 15:47 Yes, I was there. It was nice and I read the wiki page about it :) 15:47 cool 16:03 <@malorpower> the fact taht you can't actually kill the Ice Queen was a very nice touch based on the back story. My daughter was Elsa for halloween one year. 16:09 Hackemslashem -> REPLIED already! 16:09 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:11 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:12 hah really? 16:13 yes, he really did. He's doing well. He was just going through some stressful stuff and needed to reset basically. He and his wife are together and doing well and he is working on his career. 16:13 good for him 16:13 tell em we said hello 16:13 I gave him warm regards from the "group". 16:15 that's really great to hear 16:17 that's a relief! 16:20 Thank fuck 16:20 Long as the guy himself's okay 16:21 phew 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3253 (0:44:35) 16:22 this doesnt mean work resumes on hackem 16:22 heh 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a white dragon, on T:35905 (9:49:28) 16:22 I asked him about that of course, we will see what he shares. 16:22 I know 16:23 I just wanted to hear from him 16:30 yeah family comes first 16:30 good on him for seeing that and doing what he needs to do 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 8356 points, T:4508, poisoned by a killer bee 16:36 oh, there is poison insta-death apparently. I think that did 40 damage if it was just damage. 16:37 you need at least 35% poison res to avoid poison instadeath 16:38 ok. 16:38 I could have avoided letting them get close probably, I was just zooming around without caring :) 16:38 heh 16:39 I figured out that Ilithid is my preference for wizard now though. A lot smoother game play (for me) than Drow was. 16:48 nice 16:48 yeah they both have pros and cons 16:48 i really really REALLY like ultravision 16:48 heavy storms coming in, hope i dont lose interwebz 16:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Dra Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:90274 (21:01:25) 17:07 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:855 (0:06:50) 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:993 (0:08:07) 17:12 fog clouds are REALLY hard for me to beat as a wizard? What do I do with them? 17:19 train a weapon on them? 17:19 they are harmless 17:19 also, force bolt? 17:21 if they engulf you, you will always hit 17:28 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2670 points, T:2622, diseased by a human zombie, while helpless 17:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 17:35 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Koeranen's ghost, the former Brute, on T:11992 (10:03:07) 17:41 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:80054 (1 day, 12:17:23) 17:57 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 231764 points, T:36362, poisoned by a locust, while sleeping 18:03 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1560 (0:09:07) 18:05 A fog cloud did 40 damage to me and my force bolt while inside it seemed to do no damage? 18:16 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/283d40ace6f1...52369bf0f2a0 18:16 [EvilHack] k21971 52369bf - Drow shopkeepers/priests rooms are dark. 18:16 About fuckin' time. 18:16 really 18:17 was literally unplayable otherwise 18:17 LITERALLY 19:00 [hdf-us] [evil] DrMagneto (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 3472 points, T:4108, quit 19:05 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha), 6559 points, T:4175, killed by a plains centaur 19:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:37 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 19:43 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3167 (0:43:20) 19:56 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 3811 points, T:4110, killed by a rabid dog 20:00 -!- NetSysFi1 has joined #evilhack 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 9964 points, T:5121, killed by an air elemental of Thoth 20:42 <@malorpower> It seems like while engulfed my spells do practically no damage. Obviously this was an air elemental. 20:42 <@malorpower> But I have had this on several occasions and all of them force bolt was doing around 4 damage at skilled. And I know that’s low. 20:57 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1952 (0:10:26) 21:06 variant paranoia 21:07 Seems yes, seems it's very hard to force bolt an air elemental when engulfed. 21:08 Why sometimes the full healing restore only half hp. 21:09 are they diluted? 21:09 Okay I see. 21:10 Ah then I think maybe I need to drink diluted ones for max hp. 21:10 And save non diluted one for emergency.. 21:11 welp... force bolt definitely does damage to air elementals when wngulfed 21:11 *engulfed 21:11 they can sometimes resist though, damage is partial when that occurs 21:12 The spell hits the air elemental! The air elemental resists! 21:13 I see that usually I can hit air elemental at the first zap when being enguled. 21:14 Then later almost no "The spell hit the air elemental" message. 21:14 I'm not sure it's a position or tohit issue. 21:15 Usually you can kill a air elemental in 4 expert force bolt if they don't engulf you. 21:15 when engulfed, an attack will always hit 21:16 are you not aiming at one of the interior walls? 21:16 I'm aiming all directions. 21:17 But cannot hit. 21:17 <@xdminsy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1260766859909791764/image.png?ex=66908423&is=668f32a3&hm=9e5ea2ff1ce7cec2e32403216d4d10238250752aef6c65de236c5d3ceba0a1d4& 21:17 oh you're stunned 21:18 What's that, the air elemental is stunned I think. 21:18 oh yes 21:18 nm 21:19 Seems I may only be able to hit the first force bolt after being engulfed, then later force bolt just don't work.. 21:19 there's no way you should be missing 21:19 Yes, I don't see why. 21:20 attack spell skill is expert? 21:20 Yes. 21:20 I can kill air elemetenal in 4 or 3 force bolt if not engulfed. 21:21 It hits very confident. 21:21 <@xdminsy> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1260767906405552248/image.png?ex=6690851c&is=668f339c&hm=2ed8d23a4273fb7605eb3d5e8bd4cabd1b083cb174d91d223d71e4dade8e7d23& 21:21 ok i just reproduced it 21:21 wtf is going on 21:22 Okay thanks. 21:22 first cast, hit 21:22 Heh, that's now wizards major problem in middle game, hard to kill a air elemental. 21:22 every cast after, nothing 21:22 yeah its not a feedback issue 21:22 it literally isnt landing a hit 21:23 very weird 21:24 magic missile spell is fine 21:24 tested that just in case 21:24 Yes magic missile works well. 21:24 I noticed that force bolt not working when engulfed, I thought it was by design to make it not so strong :3. 21:24 Not seems a bug. 21:25 huh 21:25 ok question 21:25 Ah, now seems a bug I mean. 21:25 did you notice with the force bolt that hit, was the elemental 'knocked back' ? 21:26 Yes, but it doesn't bulge. 21:26 Maybe shouldn't knock them back. 21:27 i have a theory 21:27 need to test more 21:29 I tried that seems not only air elemental, cannot force bolt when engulfed inside dust vortex and dragons. 21:29 Too. 21:29 ok so 21:29 force bolt seems to work fine until it causes a knockback 21:31 and it seems to stay that way even with new monsters 21:32 Ah so first zap always hit and knock them back, then unable to hit them? 21:32 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.1] 21:33 Because they're technically not in the same position despite still having you engulfed 21:33 hmm 21:34 now it just happened without a knockback 21:34 The spell hits the silver dragon! The silver dragon resists! You kill the silver dragon! <--- while engulfed 21:34 then spawned another dragon, it engulfs me, force bolt isnt working 21:36 nope, it is tied to knockback 21:36 That'll do it then 21:36 when i killed that first dragon, if it hadnt died it would have been a knockback 21:36 ok then 21:36 Surprised minsy hadn't found something like this before malor did 21:38 :P. 21:39 I think i found it because I am playing hella reckless right now :). So I have been engulfed by everything eligible to engulf my toons :) 21:40 Seems usually I hit dust vortex by fist when engulfed, then force bolt them when I get out. 21:41 Or maybe I just keep force bolt without caring about their hp :P. 21:44 testing a possible fix 21:45 nope... hmm 21:48 trying another fix 21:49 huh 21:50 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:5585 (0:42:35) 21:51 Works? 21:56 no 21:56 :( 21:56 i'm missing something 21:57 malor the sokoban prize usually my choice is that, if you find an altar then you could go prize tool anyway. 21:57 An altar is then Magicbane + all resistance + full luck, with luckstone 13 luck wizards can benefit from marker very much. 21:58 i'm playing stupid enough that I am never solving sokoban anyway :) 21:58 Then the flow will be get another attack spell to kill Dark One, simply use the marker to write a spellbook of create monster, then farm till the win. 21:58 Write one is okay too, like drain life if wanna save some charges. 21:58 Heh okay if you don't wanna do the sokoban. 21:59 The spell hits the silver dragon! The force of your spell knocks the silver dragon back! The silver dragon doesn't budge! <--- if I hit it when not engulfed 21:59 'The silver dragon doesn't budge!' message doesnt happen when engulfed 21:59 and i hit it with force bolt 21:59 Right. 22:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Quit: generic quit message] 22:00 'The silver dragon doesn't budge!' <--- that feedback occurs when knockback is negated 22:00 so wtf is it not happening when engulfed 22:00 brb 22:03 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03 Usually I save that scrolls of earth to bouder fort Dark One as it suck brains. 22:03 But maybe illithid don't need to worry about that. 22:04 they dont 22:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 6997 points, T:5803, killed by a gnomish soldier, while sleeping 22:09 [hdf-us] [evil] malor2 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 20305 points, T:8420, killed by an air elemental 22:09 another engulf death. 22:09 Oooops. 22:09 And pifitul mindless monsters don't hear bugle. 22:09 that one wasn't my fault I don't think, although I guess I could be more cautious? I was going through sokoban and it appeared. 22:10 I figured it was a long shot. I had no other realistic chance to survive. 22:10 !lastgame malor2 22:10 xdminsy: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor2/evilhack/dumplog/1720658824.evil.html 22:12 Ok, I'm done with wizards. Not just because I found a bug that I happily keep replicating but because I am playing too loose to actually surive regardless :) 22:12 Play something easier. 22:15 Well I think if K2 fix the issue, air elementals would be no problem anymore :D 22:15 The drow and illithid both has few hp, maybe you could play some tough melee combo. 22:21 ok i have a fix 22:21 i dont like it though 22:21 Heh not elegant? 22:22 i dont fully understand why the first couple things i tried didnt work 22:24 Ah I see, obscure code. 22:31 brb 22:34 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 22:41 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4031 (1:16:06) 22:42 ok this is a bit better fix 22:42 and also another mini fix 22:42 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4120 (1:17:46) 22:43 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9102 points, T:5127, quit 22:49 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 19 steel shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:1050 (0:05:44) 22:52 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/52369bf0f2a0...daf50114fba4 22:52 [EvilHack] k21971 daf5011 - Fix: force bolt spell and being engulfed. 22:53 [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Bar Cen Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1605 (0:14:01) 22:58 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/daf50114fba4...2777ee541b56 22:58 [EvilHack] k21971 2777ee5 - Follow up to last commit (force bolt and engulfed). 22:59 more fixes for more betterly game 23:01 those commits are live 23:02 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 18 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3021 (0:18:08) 23:03 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3183 (0:19:40) 23:06 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:6473 (1:41:48) 23:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (black dragons), on T:7779 (1:44:29) 23:19 took a gamble and it wasn't cursed :D 23:25 let's go gambling!!! 23:28 I've entered my jackpot mode 23:28 'the sea tortle's five spears shatter from the force of your blow!' whoa, badass 23:28 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5489 (0:44:52) 23:28 that was risky gamble at 7k turns 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] MishiLoggers (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:8671 (1:54:08) 23:29 yeah I would've died if it was cursed 23:29 but I was tired of genociding kittens and woodchucks when that happened, decided to be risky 23:30 You could try krakens. 23:31 I think I've read that wiki pages recommended that, they'll be scared on land. 23:31 And provide huge experience, should be free kills if it's cursed scroll. 23:36 I gues draugr should be easier to do mrless? 23:36 If draugr polymorph into like a succubus, can they obtain 100% fire reisistance? 23:39 <@xdminsy> Ah, I guess destory armor would be very bad. 23:43 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:6909 (0:59:50) 23:49 Seems to understand why tinklebear do mrless nudist. 23:49 Is that tinklebear's armor often get destroyed then they think go straight nudist should be similar. 23:52 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 5242 points, T:8654, killed by a housecat, while praying 23:55 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 17 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:7694 (1:11:29) 23:57 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of low boots entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:7809 (1:13:22)