00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 429 points, T:2302, killed by a hobbit pickpocket 00:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 218 points, T:995, killed by an acidic corpse 00:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 28 points, T:25, killed by a scroll of earth 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:65034 (15:38:54) 01:18 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 5137 points, T:6015, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jumping spider 01:22 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 549 points, T:1238, killed by a hobbit 01:48 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2097 (0:26:42) 01:56 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 01:57 !tell krm26 congrats, you're back! \o/ 01:57 Will do, mobileuser! 02:06 !lastgame krm26 02:06 k3ut0i: Message from K2 at 2024-07-07 20:01 EDT: thanks, that's by design actually 02:06 k3ut0i: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1623895588.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1719926978.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1717517292.evil.html 02:08 \o/ congrats krm26 02:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had a battle-axe entrusted to him by Set, on T:63175 (1 day, 1:11:32) 02:36 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 02:37 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:37 boy. EvilHack really makes you _learn_ alignment. 02:38 smoky potions are see invisible in this game. 02:38 as a wizard, and on the quest Home: 02:38 Wait! There's something there you can't see! 02:38 You have a vague sense of guilt. It gets angry! 02:39 So, when I had see invisible an attacked apprentice cast invisibility. 02:40 But. I thought you did NOT attack when you got the "Wait! There's something there you can't see!" message? 02:40 You simply just stopped? 02:42 luckily I had a pet that twas able dispatch said apprentice. 02:42 But it sucks as yet again I am met with a tarnished alignment record while trying to ascend unabused. 02:47 Holy crap! they are all invisible! 02:47 so they cast it if you have see inivisible no matter the source. 02:48 with Evil's abbreviated length on the blessed potion it creates an interesting problem. 02:49 "Wait! There's something there you can't see!" means you just bumped into something invisible, which does anger them. 02:51 You have to search to reveal the square where they currently are, then move with m so if they're still there after you searched, you safely get the "Pardon me" message. 02:51 after years and years of playing pacifists, I've always gotten that message, and those monsters did not get angry. 02:52 Because you'd searched to reveal their location beforehand, I take it. 02:52 yep, and with pacifist, quite aware (and fond of?) the ''m' move 02:52 but, you do not have to search or do any of that, with telepathy, just blind yourself or cast detect monsters. 02:53 The search and m-move technique is a zen conduct thing, but I'd think it's just as applicable here 02:54 Seeing as you apparently lacked telepathy and/or monster detection 02:54 You vegan too? 02:56 no, I did not. I had a towel on to keep up with a pet via telepathy that was not staying with me. 02:56 I removed the towel and immediately bumped into the apprentice. 02:57 One would have to know this behavior would happen to have to search or do the 'm' key. 02:58 In all my year s of playing I've never had the combination of see invisibility as smoky potions and a wizard. 02:58 You could see what's invisible when farlook and press m, then if there're someone invisible you could walk while blind. 02:59 The other times I was on the Home level, I had Detect Monsters going at all times, as I usually do once Skilled in Divination. 02:59 But maybe they cast invisible immediately after you remove towel. 02:59 I like the detect monster, especially in evilhack it values very. 02:59 I just did not know this behavior happened. 03:00 Now, I know what to look out for in the future with invisibility and the Home level. 03:01 I usually do not mess with invisibility, especially in vanilla, becuae I'd usually rather have the monsters come at me, rather than dance around. 03:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:67803 (16:54:59) 03:01 I usaully preferred displacement. 03:01 In Evil, I see the value of invisibility. 03:02 I like Detect Monster period. So nice to be fully aware of what is around you. 03:02 Yes, especially for detecting beholders and gelcubes. 03:02 In Evil, it is the gelatinous cube, the elementals, the zombies — the Warning is not quite enough. 03:02 Well now beholders can be seen by telepathy I think. 03:02 Yes, they can. 03:03 USed to be only a '5' Warning. 03:03 Which made '5's VERY scary. 03:03 :) 03:04 see a 5, get all prepared for a beholder . . . and it is a stupid baluchitherium. haha 03:04 Forget about the details of invisibility and displacement, while in early game they should be similar. 03:04 While in late game many creatures could see invisible, I think ealry game invisible should be very helpful. 03:05 yeah, that's happened to me too, angering quest guardians because I had a temporary source of see invisible 03:05 one more reason to crown early... 03:05 Yes, crown asap. 03:06 which is odd, in vanilla it is "no! avoid at all costs!" 03:06 mobileuser you are the only one have done the no abusement conduct. 03:07 for years and years I've actively avoided it, saving up mirrors to break them to avoid crowning. 03:07 Is there some keys to do it? 03:07 See? I guess I'll have to change my approach some more! 03:07 In vanilla I crown asap too. 03:08 I think usually one don't need to rely on prayer soon if not doing some conducts. 03:08 I NEVER use Elbereth any more. I rarely pray for help once my game gets going, and it is becoming even rarer for me to do it at all... 03:09 I'm farming while praying this game, crowning did increase really long prayer timeout. 03:09 But I still have to crown very early for resistances. 03:09 like mobileuser always says: stay away from the Banes is one key with no abuse to alignment. 03:10 it's certainly harder now to do "no abuse" with the new rules for banes 03:10 I've been getting pretty far. 03:10 I bump into a yellow light and it explodes on a peaceful ogre lord this game. 03:10 Then I broke that :( 03:11 in the past, every monster on the level was immediately hostile if affected by banes 03:11 There are somewhat obscure way that I may abuse alignments that I don't know.. 03:11 now they start peaceful if they don't see you 03:11 that time I encountered a peaceful, polymorphed dragon, I was nearing turn 100,000 and on my towards enggame. 03:11 end ga,e 03:11 grr. 03:11 end game 03:12 yes don't use Dragonbane, then reflectionless got too. 03:12 And thanks mobileuser that I don't know before that scrolls of scare monster could be so effective dealing with alhoons. 03:13 heh 03:13 I remember one of my previous wizard just read scrolls of earth whenever I saw an alhoon. 03:13 That's pretty wasteful. 03:13 This game I'm struggling I have no scrolls of earth or charging.. 03:13 btw, I disagree with the wiki about vanilla and not crowning early 03:14 it increases time prayer timeout, but 03:14 by that time you shouldn't have to rely on prayer anymore 03:14 Yes, I don't mind crowning early. 03:15 Sometimes in vanilla I may not have poison resistance after turns 20000. 03:15 Crowning is just fast to gather all resistances. 03:16 I think when I play xnh I sometimes try to avoid crowning, that Dark Speech makes me intrinsic blind every game. 03:16 Then I have to pray on altar to solve the minor trouble... 03:16 it is odd, getting used to how hard Evil is, and yet vanilla continues to get nerfed. 03:16 It is notorious for being hard, though. 03:16 They are completely nerfing poison instadeaths. 03:16 Usually in vanilla if one avoid crowning, it means they want to altar farming and pray often. 03:17 So, poison resistance is not all that important any more. 03:17 You'll still be drained strength. 03:17 Sometimes. 03:18 and, in 3.7.x the uni horn is like Evil. 03:18 but, yeah, I stopped playing vanilla because it became to easy for me. 03:19 Then you find evilhack is easy too :D. 03:19 it got to the point where I would say "I am going toascend this character" and I would just do it. 03:19 really stopped playing vanilla when my extinctionist was removed from NAO. 03:19 Was getting really close to completing it! 03:20 Why removed? 03:20 stopped supporting/hosting 3.4.3. 03:20 I've yet to ascend Evil. 03:20 But it is my own damned fault. 03:20 I tend to screw around too much. 03:21 Take it easy, if you don't mind farm, wizards should be easy. 03:21 I try to too hard of things instead of doing valk or barb to just get an ascension. 03:21 I want to extinctionist in Evil 03:21 But it seems impossible. 03:21 I want to do pacifist in Evil. 03:21 You like hard things? 03:21 But it seems impossible. 03:22 You could try playing some drow convicts. 03:22 Well, I guess. 03:22 That might happy you. 03:22 The only way I can play Minecraft these days is on Hardcore mode. You die, game over. 03:22 Maybe not so hard, and especially after the early game they are easy too.. 03:23 also, been playing pacifists in Skyrim a LOT lately (although have not played in almost a year or so) 03:23 I think pacifist maybe possible, but I don't know how to do it, I don't know how to pacifist vanilla too. 03:23 I've tried drown convict, had a couple good starts and one great start. 03:24 messed it up with dumb mistakes. 03:24 I mean, the one time I just gave up... bot sure why. 03:24 ^not sure 03:25 Pacifist in Evil is quite difficult because of the VERY high level monsters, the conflict nerf, Vlad's tower you can only have flying or wall clinging pets. 03:25 the early game is atrocious because of zombies 03:26 I'll keep farming until Lolth grant me a spellbook of acid blast. 03:27 And cone of cold. 03:27 spellbooks, at least for me, seems to be in short supply from altar camping in the later game 03:27 I wanted to do the Vecna but an alhoon strikes my only boulder fort. 03:28 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 03:29 funny. I just learned acid blast. 03:29 had a 60 aum spellbook I've been lugging around. 03:29 That's cool, I like acid blast. 03:30 I'm crowned and still doing the pray for spellbooks things. 03:30 It's still more effective than sacrificing. 03:30 acid blast is great. 03:30 Lolth has gaved me maybe 10+ spellbooks, including polymorph and cancellation, but I don't need them.. 03:31 Once Lolth had given me a spellbook of blank paper :P 03:31 all of the higher, advanced spell, attack spells can be great and overcome a lot of monsters strengths and take advantage of weaknesses. 03:31 Acid blast is the best attack spell, very effective in killing everything. 03:32 yeah I've had that happen all too frequently lately! (blank) send me Maker, now, dear ____god's name_____!!! 03:32 There are some acid-resistant monsters. 03:33 yes celestial draon resist acid.. 03:33 poison is awesome for gray dragons. 03:34 oops ^send me a *Marker, now, 03:34 I seem to spend 3 or 4 fireballs at gray dragons. 03:34 While I have no gray scales, few enchant armor, and a player monster with fire resistance cancelled me a lot. 03:35 yes, the poison blast spell can be very effective 03:36 Yes that's rare too, this game I have only fireball, not so good. 03:36 I think the lightning spell was enhanced too 03:36 AoE spell now 03:36 I have a small shield of drain resistance and a mummy wrapping of drain resistance. 03:36 Yes i've used that last game, some monsters don't resist shock. 03:37 Effective too, while destroying their wands. 03:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:63935 (1 day, 1:36:21) 03:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Neferet the Green, on T:53886 (23:15:41) 03:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:63937 (1 day, 1:37:15) 03:38 wow. so silly. 03:38 Trying to do 3 things at once. 03:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide bracers of fire", on T:63937 (1 day, 1:37:38) 03:38 What things. 03:38 reading internet articles. 03:38 chatting here. 03:38 And playing Evil. 03:39 Sounds reasonable. 03:39 I carry a lot of scales with me, but I want gray scales.. 03:39 forgot Detect Monsters spell ran out and ran into apprentice next to Neferet. 03:39 pet killed him before compelteing quest. game over, eh? 03:40 (Bell will be cursed?) 03:40 I came to quest and talk with Neferet early this game, for 2x monster spawn rate I think. 03:40 yeah, if not level 14. 03:40 can go as early as 10? or is it 12? 03:41 Not sure, I guess maybe not game over in evilhack. 03:41 [hdf-au] [evil] ocnda (Pri Hum Mal Law), 482 points, T:1523, killed by a giant bat 03:41 But , anyeways, death of the quest leader before completing quest is game over? 03:42 And yes, every game I try to get a complete set of dragon scales — not sure why. Fun to me 03:42 And I try to collect all 9 Rings of Power. 03:42 I don't know, in 3.7 it's still ascendable. 03:44 thankful for my pet purple worm 03:44 I need black scales for disintegration resistance, a sea scales for magical breathing I think. 03:44 The shadow scales don't provide drain resistance is not so good :( 03:44 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 6429 points, T:5116, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant 03:46 Hope later Vecna could give me a marker. 03:46 since when? 03:46 oh, scales. 03:46 you need to enchant 03:47 Yes but I want to wear grayscaled armor. 03:48 I think MR and cancellation resistance is much important than drain.. 03:48 Oh great Lolth give me teleport away. 03:48 3.7 and certain variants both before and after it make it so that quest leader death doesn't render the game unwinnable 03:49 thanks, Umbire. was unclear with recent changes 03:50 I though death before still goofed you up 03:50 yes, I was really liking grayscaled with my previous weaponless wizard. 03:50 I am enjoying a weaponless wizard, but it needs work 03:51 cannot wait to get back to thrown daggers (even though they are only basic) 03:55 weaponless wizards are very easy I'd say. 03:56 Especially easy with 1 power force bolt, but 3 power is still okay. 03:57 I've throwed my +7 Secespita loads of times this game... 04:00 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:69765 (17:54:12) 04:08 -!- terracotta has joined #evilhack 04:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:09 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:17 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2188 (0:27:47) 04:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:57052 (23:58:55) 04:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:57057 (23:59:15) 04:22 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 04:27 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2622 (0:37:34) 04:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Mystes (Inf Orc Mal Una), 16 points, T:68, killed by a jackal 04:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Mystes (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2152 (0:13:57) 04:49 -!- sloppyfirsts has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Mystes (Inf Ith Fem Una) became literate by reading a book, on T:3171 (0:21:25) 04:55 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 4536 points, T:4346, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gargoyle 05:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Mystes (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a storm giant, on T:3808 (0:28:04) 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Mystes (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4869 points, T:4445, killed by an elven watchman, while praying 05:21 So fancy, the minetown priest has the acid blast. 05:22 And I find that I could tame baby silver dragon and it grows into tame silver dragon immediately.. 05:30 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 173 points, T:341, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome zombie 05:35 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 158 points, T:387, killed by a potion of acid 05:44 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:674 (0:09:09) 05:44 that will help to clear out the peacefuls xdminsy :-) 05:45 Yes, it cleared the minetown priest and gave me the acid blast :D 05:45 But it also killed my little incubus. 05:45 Now I'm still xl 22. 05:47 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Neferet the Green, on T:75051 (19:19:51) 05:48 yeah, killing priests can sometimes give you very useful spellbooks 05:48 Though I've completed quest, but I'll still kill Neferet :3. 05:48 Yes, I should do that. 05:54 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:75345 (19:26:41) 06:21 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 2772 points, T:2499, killed by a ball of cold 06:24 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 207 points, T:332, killed by a flint stone 06:29 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a white dragon corpse, on T:77173 (20:01:39) 06:30 ... 06:31 I should eat blue jellies, not white dragons. 06:31 Vegan break again, I guess I won't do vegan next time. 06:32 oof 06:39 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 06:40 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1482 (0:15:33) 06:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:914 (0:47:32) 06:52 <@malorpower> What is the strategy for the Astral plane and for the Riders? (Centaur Valkryie) 06:52 <@malorpower> I have 2 teleportation wands currently, is that enough to prevent NPC characters from getting close and stealing the amulet? 06:52 <@malorpower> I think this version you can't "Mammoth rain" on Astral, right? So I won't have any pets, or is there a way to have a pet reliable live until astral that will be a benefit to me? 06:52 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 2291 points, T:2173, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted sea tortle 06:52 <@malorpower> I realized I need to figure out the full ascension run before I start it or I might not have something 😦 06:54 first, you can have a limited amount of woollies if you want 06:54 cha / 3 06:54 in the new situation, my ideal prep is something like: 06:55 being able to jump, have displacement, zap teleport a lot, have lots of FH at the ready, wear life saving. 06:56 death wands for famine and pestilence 06:57 you can only recharge death wands once, but teleport wands are still limitless 06:57 so have plenty of charging scrolls 06:58 Kill everyone and you'll ascend :P 06:58 death is annoying if you don't have death resistance, but you can try to jump around him or otherwise facetank and take some damage 06:58 lol xdminsy 07:00 btw I think evilhack astral is a lot easier than dnh astral @malorpower 07:00 oh bless your AoY, less chance of teleporting if it drops 07:00 I've watched krm26 ascended today, I see they simply kill everyone in melee with Staff of Archimagi. 07:01 Seems the astral is simpler than I thought. 07:01 I bet he ate tons of increase damage :-) 07:01 could probably have killed them with a tin opener 07:02 Astral on dnh is probably unwinnable by most combos currently. EXCEPT they have these short term items called "wages". And those make Astral a complete breeze. And you ALWAYS have plenty of them. 07:02 your dpr is probably sufficient anyway 07:03 do the riders only damage you IN MELEE? That's one thing that make dnh hard is the riders have 4 or 5 range on their attacks. 07:04 only melee range 07:04 oh and they are Riders 07:04 they have steeds 07:04 which are not too bad but can be annoying 07:05 it seems you kill the rider before the horse so that's good. So the wand of death will kill the rider and then the horse will be melee-able, right? 07:05 yes. not death of course. 07:06 right. 07:06 death only gets more hit points 07:06 What makes dnh astral hard? 07:06 all he does is drain my max life when he hits, right. So really bad, but not insta-death. 07:06 yeah 07:06 like vanilla, but more HP 07:08 Angels on Astral have around 300 hp and lifesave around 50% of the time. So ONE angel is an average of 450 hp. With most non-extreme-builds you will do around 30 damage per round to an Angel. So that's 15 rounds per angel. Each angel also always summons at least one other angel. Those summoned angels all disappear when the original dies so that's not "too bad", but it means that you are getting pounded on by a minim 07:08 um of 2 angels even if you are only fighting one. And they do a good amount of damage. 07:09 meanwhile the riders hit you 4 or 5 steps away (not sure the range) with their abilities. And if you are immune to their effect (sickness protection) it instead does 50ish damage. 07:11 Extreme builds even have trouble OTHER THAN the aforementioned "wages". In my best build where I just tried to face tank I was doing around 90 damage per round to angels. So that still means each angel is 5 rounds! That's a long time per enemy. 07:12 the priests aren't a problem in dnh, but they will summon much more powerful "ants". The ants on astral will do 10+ damage per round each to an ascension level build. So you when you get surrounded by them that's 80 damage per round just from the summoned ants! 07:12 again if you kill their summoner they go away, so I target the priests first to keep the creatures down. 07:13 with the "wages", as I said, Astral is a cake walk where you literally never have to use a potion of full healing even once. 07:14 I don't think I found a displacement cloak yet, so I need one of those it sounds like. 07:17 Oooops, sounds pretty hard. 07:17 Can't imagine how to deal with them. 07:18 what items give death resistance? Gauntlets of Purity (which I cannot get). Any others? 07:18 you deal with them by using the "wages" and then the game is auto-win. 07:18 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 635 points, T:852, killed by a dart 07:18 being a draugr or demon, or a death resistant polyform 07:18 I can't understand what are the wages. 07:18 You can poly into like some demons, usually I think you don't need. 07:19 If you have like 500 maxhp, even Death drained you really a lot you still have 300.. 07:19 temporary buffs 07:19 tinklebear used succubus :-) 07:19 death is normally not a huge problem with typical high ac -- if you are in the -50s he wont do much 07:19 krm26: Message from mobileuser at 2024-07-08 01:57 EDT: congrats, you're back! \o/ 07:19 The "wages" are these coins that you find in dnh. They give you a buff that is REALLY powerful for a short period of time. 07:20 Ah I see. 07:20 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:21 i remember a couple yrs ago when i ascended dnh and I basically tanked my way through everything, inc astral, and malor was like 'wtf' 07:21 one of them stops time for 3 turns. So that one is used to kill Demogorgon or other very powerful foes that normally could never be beaten in dnh. And you can just "chain them", of course. You get around 5 of each type per game. The only 2 I use are the time stop one and for astral the one that "creates hurricane winds" around you and for 30 turns makes all the monsters fly back so you can't be attacked by them unles 07:21 s you walk up to them. 07:23 K2, that version of Astral was very easy compared to where it is now. You probably could still just plow through it since you can have 50 full healing potions with you in dnh, but it would be really hard. 07:23 heh 07:24 Hi K2, did you see the tinklebear asc dumplog? 07:24 dnh lets you avoid a lot of the combats that would otherwise be very difficult to impossible to win. Evilhack doesn't seem to believe in that same philosophy :) 07:25 malor no it does not :) 07:25 mobileuser no i havent 07:25 have a look! :-) 07:25 I think evilhack simply adds difficulty to many things, but they're still all beatable. 07:25 i dont like it that the best strategy in dnh for boss monsters is to just run away 07:25 !lastgame tinklebear 07:25 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1720436989.evil.html 07:25 Ok, what is the strategy for the High Priest and for Lucifer? And are there any other "bosses" prior to the "planes". Also can you access your magic chest again during the ascension run? 07:25 !lastasc tinklebear 07:25 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1719594462.evil.html 07:26 rodney has a magic chest next to him. you can access that before starting the run 07:26 malor, high priest is just a priest with altar lightning -- be cautious of his whip-wielding demon, and theother 6 or so in the next room 07:26 lucifer can be really tough 07:27 I agree with you K2. In SlashDNH you cannot really avoid fighting the 6 Demon Lords/Princes without major penalties. I made the bosses a lot easier to compensate for the fact that you have to try to beat Demogorgon in 1/3rd of the games :) 07:27 Yes that's atheist nudist mrless reflectionless ascension. 07:27 what do I do against Lucier? And does he come immediately after I get the amulet or is he in his own room or something? 07:27 you have to engage him, just like rodney 07:28 so you can reprep if you want 07:28 ok, what's the strategy for him? 07:28 mobileuser hah wow 07:28 You never acquired magic resistance. 07:28 You never acquired reflection. 07:28 well, if you can do strong ranged a boulder fort is the safest, but it can take forever because of geometry 07:28 \o/ 07:28 I think you can easily paralyze Lucifer and instakill. 07:28 a boulder fort with one opening can help if he chains in other demon lords, so you only have to do one at a time 07:28 plus nudist, plus no geno, plus no poly 07:28 and no e-word 07:29 and demonbane or the hotdog REALLY help 07:29 will he be able to gate if I cancel him first? 07:29 otherwise, have a lot of healing. use potions of paralysis if he is getting up on your butt 07:29 also I thought they had to hit you in order to gate? So if I am boulder forting doesn't that prevent it? 07:29 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29 i wouldnt waste time trying to cancel him unless you are doing it from the safety of a boulder fort 07:29 yes, boulder forting will prevent gating 07:30 his MR is very high i dont think you can successfully cancel him 07:30 but if you have to melee him to kill him, still use a boulder fort with one opening 07:30 I see lucifer has 99 MR. 07:30 Ok, so "fort", "cursed invis effect", "cancel", "ranged attack", PROFIT. 07:30 ive killed a lucifer+3 before and it was no picnic, hardest fight in the game 07:30 and ive also one-shotted him with demonbane 07:30 what does "lucifer+3" mean? 07:30 minus cursed invis 07:30 he gated in additional big buddies 07:31 go 2 squares below him malor 07:31 or was it soa that oneshotted him? i forget 07:31 why "minus cursed invis"? Don't I need to wake him up so he comes to me? 07:31 Yes boulder fort is the safest way, with your many silver aklys. 07:31 he sleeps 07:31 you need to give him a kiss 07:31 just move 2 squares below him 07:31 don't move next to him 07:32 then he'll wake up 07:32 Ok, so go so that my fort is adjacent to him and then attack? 07:32 While Lucifer has 666 hp, you may need some patience to kill with boulder fort. 07:32 you can do him with an aklys and patience. it can take forever, you'll only be able to hit him in like 2 places 07:32 once you see the layout you will understand 07:32 may need a bunch of backup aklyses 07:33 the best fort-non-spell-ranged technique is 200 +7 silver shuriken :-) 07:33 I have 4 silver ones on me. If all of those fail, I'll just crack the fort and attack him. 07:33 If that happens I won't be happy, but I'll live with it. Especially because he apparently can be face tanked and I will have cancelled him by first regardless. 07:34 brb 07:34 mobileuser, are you less likely to snag draugr barb or draugr rogue from me if i start one of those? 07:35 I am playing draugr barb 07:35 :-P 07:35 ok, after Lucifer it is just back through the dungeon, right? I can go back to my magic chest and stuff that is in sokoban? Is there anything else scary other than recuring wizard of yendor stuff before the planes? 07:35 but as I am very slow, you will easily overtake me 07:35 hahaha 07:36 i may try to actually play my garbage start for another lame 2-streak 07:36 Not really, but 8x monster spawn rate may summon some nasties. 07:36 speaking of "playing a bad start" -> does anyone just #quit if they don't get Magic Resistance from Sokoban? It seems like that is a giant difference in game-play? 07:37 i sometimes quit on level 1 if im lazy and bored, thats about it 07:37 and I am able to go into sokoban and my magic chest, right? That's the last magic chest I will have access to, right? 07:37 i enjoy the early game screw of being stuck without critical stuff 07:37 that's my favorite part of the game 07:37 so many whining opportunities! 07:37 You can access the castle magic chest too I think. 07:38 magic chests: castle, ice queen, quest... 07:38 you pop up in the castle malor, so all the chests are available 07:38 And the one in goblin town. 07:38 yup 07:38 and of course you can descend back into gehennom if you want. or if you drop the amulet in the air in purgatory :-) 07:38 ok, for the planes, I will be flying the whole time. What are the problems on each of the planes? Just monsters that are somewhat more powerful or something else that I need to be aware of? 07:38 Then the game is unwinnable? 07:39 but it IS possible to get a magic resistant >=-40ac doubled rodney, so dont dilly dally 07:39 first purgatory level is full of player monsters who will try to nab your amulet 07:39 second one has celestial dragons, angels, and michael 07:39 second one is the worst one to have the amulet stolen on 07:40 What happens if it is stolen? 07:40 because it will end up falling through the air into your final demon lair 07:40 malor biggest difference is plane of water, need magical breathing 07:40