00:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:72879 (13:49:14)
00:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 1075 points, T:1210, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted scorpion
00:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 52 points, T:147, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted kobold
00:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:74200 (14:10:00)
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00:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 807 points, T:1660, killed by a bolt of fire
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00:43 <Umbire> Oh, congrats tinklebear 
00:43 <Umbire> been entirely occupied with other things
00:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) became Mog's Envoy of Balance, on T:60994 (21:40:19)
00:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:75543 (14:38:34)
01:01 <tinklebear> thanks, Umbire!
01:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:76717 (14:50:44)
01:07 <xdminsy> Heh why there's a loadstone in hesperides.
01:13 <Umbire> It's entirely possible for loadstones to appear in containers, even though they shouldn't
01:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11498 (4:17:34)
01:16 <xdminsy> Heh I see.
01:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:11796 (4:20:02)
01:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 21841 points, T:12550, petrified by attempting to saddle a basilisk
01:35 <k3ut0i> damn! haven't seen that before
01:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3550 (1:06:13)
01:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 14 points, T:158, killed by kicking a boulder
01:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:79383 (15:42:49)
02:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:79506 (15:48:01)
02:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:79844 (15:52:18)
02:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:80406 (15:58:31)
02:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:80769 (16:00:27)
02:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:80899 (16:02:03)
02:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:81290 (16:05:28)
02:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:81427 (16:08:39)
02:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:81453 (16:08:54)
02:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create the Armor of Retribution, on T:81493 (16:09:20)
02:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create The Staff of the Archmagi, on T:81689 (16:13:46)
02:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:81825 (16:16:09)
02:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Shadowblade, on T:81928 (16:17:32)
02:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 4226 points, T:6128, zombified by a diseased orc corpse
02:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:800 (0:11:22)
03:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:83684 (16:57:12)
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03:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 3950 points, T:2355, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jaguar
03:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a knife entrusted to her by Odin, on T:80154 (13:42:12)
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03:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:86125 (17:32:08)
03:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:86126 (17:32:10)
03:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:81193 (13:58:29)
03:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (rogues), on T:876 (0:13:19)
03:52 <tinklebear> lol
03:53 <tinklebear> if by "rogue" you mean "energy vortex", then sure 
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04:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:87125 (17:56:57)
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04:16 <Loveaabb> Umbire: meow!
04:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:87585 (18:03:43)
04:21 <Loveaabb> xdminsy: :3
04:21 <xdminsy> Morning :3.
04:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 1888 points, T:2922, killed by the hallucinogen-distorted Goblin King
04:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) murdered her faithful ochre jelly, on T:88234 (18:11:37)
04:32 <k3ut0i> hmm... why are all tinklebear's killers tripping?
04:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1220 (0:13:59)
04:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:85528 (14:43:38)
04:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a steel helmet entrusted to her by Odin, on T:86018 (14:48:21)
04:52 <xdminsy> I bet tinklebear is doing maybe permahallu petless atheist mrless reflectionless genocideless wishless.
04:53 <xdminsy> Or maybe only permahallu for sure.
04:55 <cbus> xdminsy, they are called succUbus or you trigger my highlight
04:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a robe entrusted to her by Odin, on T:86654 (14:55:10)
04:56 <cbus> or just foocubi
04:58 <xdminsy> Ah sorry seemed I got a typo.
05:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:87561 (15:02:41)
05:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 2826 points, T:2691, killed by falling down a mine shaft
05:07 <rld> <@malorpower> So now I can eventually get Sword of Annihilation which seems like one of the better end game weapons.
05:07 <rld> <@malorpower> That plus Vorpal Blade should be good enough for my weapon.
05:07 <rld> <@malorpower> Now I just need to get Dragonbane and Odin can finally be done with me 🙂
05:07 <xdminsy> Oh well malor you still farming.
05:08 <xdminsy> You have to kill Vecna for sword of annihilation, usually we do boulder fort.
05:08 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, can vorpy behead Vecna?
05:09 <xdminsy> Kill Vecna in melee I think is viable but maybe will be cancelled or surrounded by monsters or be drain some maxhp..
05:09 <malor> I'll worry about Gehonemon when I finally get past the quest :)
05:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 120 points, T:318, killed by a poisonous corpse
05:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a scale mail entrusted to her by Odin, on T:88350 (15:11:34)
05:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:88984 (15:16:31)
05:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:90087 (19:08:48)
05:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1511 (0:20:41)
05:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:91668 (15:33:02)
05:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 1567 points, T:1708, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Grey-elf
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05:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a small shield entrusted to her by Odin, on T:93499 (15:48:54)
05:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 105 points, T:344, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted newt
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06:07 <Loveaabb> meow meow Umbire 
06:07 <Loveaabb> =w=
06:12 <cbus> xdminsy, no worries I just want to avoid pinging unless it is for a proper reason :)
06:13 <cbus> I dont have any sound or buzzer on notifications but it does make me prioritize and check those asap
06:14 <xdminsy> Understand :D
06:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1769 (0:13:23)
06:16 <cbus> same with discord, I get messages to phone and desktop but no sound or such
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06:16 <cbus> only a number that shows up in a pinned tab
06:16 <cbus> that said I do check fairly often
06:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:94519 (15:56:42)
06:16 <malor> Cool, I have both brands now!
06:16 <mobileuser> athe pile arti geno elbe nude surv forgeless mrless reflectless
06:16 <mobileuser> oh my
06:17 <mobileuser> !tell tinklebear congrats!!
06:17 <Hecubus> No worries, mobileuser, I've got this!
06:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:94076 (20:06:24)
06:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:94086 (20:07:00)
06:26 <mobileuser> Are you going to forge Dichotomy malor?
06:26 <malor> definitely.  Even if i don't use it i love the idea of forging an artifact finally :)
06:27 <malor> and I probably will use it for now until I get Sword of Annihilation much later.
06:27 <malor> using it means that I have to put yet another skill to "skilled" :)
06:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3173 (0:24:27)
06:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) murdered her faithful purple worm, on T:94472 (20:16:46)
06:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) murdered her faithful Olog-hai, on T:94472 (20:16:48)
06:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:94472 (20:16:48)
06:33 <xdminsy> my luck...
06:34 <k3ut0i> drowned?
06:34 <xdminsy> Lol yes.
06:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3527 (0:29:05)
06:37 <mobileuser> malor if your intelligence is13 or higher you can redistribute all your skill points with blessed amnesia
06:38 <malor> oh, that's cool.
06:38 <mobileuser> Dichotomy is probably the best weapon in the game
06:38 <malor> is that an amnesia scroll or potion?  Or do both exist I can't remember.
06:38 <mobileuser> scroll
06:39 <malor> does it even let me take back original "basic" skills I received or does it reset you to "baseline"?
06:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3778 (0:33:01)
06:39 <mobileuser> I don't know...
06:40 <malor> either way, it will give me the points I need easily.  I only need one more right now to get to skilled in broadsword anyway :)
06:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:96644 (16:14:47)
06:41 <malor> and there it is.
06:41 <mobileuser> Dichotomy protects your inventory from fire and cold damage
06:41 <mobileuser> \o/
06:42 <mobileuser> meaning you can safely have eg 10 full healing in inventory when fighting bosses
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06:44 <malor> is it 100% safe at that point?  Dnh always has something else that shatters potions :)
06:44 <malor> I guess water attacks probably?
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06:44 <malor> but those are probably specific to certain creatures.
06:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the human high priest of Moloch, on T:94972 (20:29:50)
06:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:94976 (20:29:54)
06:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:97384 (16:21:52)
06:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:95071 (20:33:52)
06:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:95259 (20:35:10)
07:02 <mobileuser> I guess if a water elemental or sea dragon engulfs you, potions could dilute
07:03 <mobileuser> Or a Nazgul scream could shatter them
07:05 <malor> Dichotomy -> striking the tail of a longworm made the HEAD of the worm do the explosion just now.  That seems like a bug :)
07:10 <malor> the max intelligence for a Centaur is 12 :)
07:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:96453 (20:55:02)
07:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:96453 (20:55:08)
07:13 <mobileuser> ah, that's a shame....
07:16 <malor> 185 hp, dual weilding +7 Vorpal and +6 Dichotomy, AC -26.  Can I beat Surtur now?  I have a blessed potion of full healing ready in inventory and 2 more in my bag.
07:16 <malor> TH: 35
07:19 <mobileuser> yeah that will do nicely!
07:19 <malor> ok, good, thanks.
07:19 <mobileuser> any cursed invis?
07:20 <malor> no, hm, I probably do have that.  Ug.  I'll go back to my magic chest :)
07:20 <malor> i never think of that because it does NOT work in dnh :)
07:20 <mobileuser> and I think there will be some salamanders on the boss level
07:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:96669 (21:04:36)
07:20 <mobileuser> so scare tool and/or greased cloak
07:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:96670 (21:05:00)
07:22 <malor> I killed one already, should I have been scared of salamanders?
07:22 <malor> hm, I have no invisibility potions :)
07:22 <malor> I definitely blanked some as I thought they were useless :)
07:23 <malor> I could poly pile finally.
07:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:96722 (21:07:39)
07:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the White Horse, on T:96723 (21:07:41)
07:24 <mobileuser> well, it makes things a bit easier, it's not mandatory
07:24 <mobileuser> salamanders can grab you and incinerate you in lava
07:24 <malor> even with levitation?
07:24 <mobileuser> I think so yes?
07:24 <malor> also does lave incinerate me with dichotomy?
07:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Pestilence (5 times), on T:96786 (21:12:18)
07:29 <mobileuser> you would still be incinerated
07:29 <mobileuser> mechanics are like a giant eel trying to drown you
07:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:96811 (21:14:00)
07:30 <mobileuser> usual escape tactics apply
07:30 <mobileuser> full tour for xdminsy
07:32 <mobileuser> congrats xdminsy!
07:32 <xdminsy> Thanks mobileuser :D
07:33 <xdminsy> I have a helm of opposite alignment, but I figured out that i should be able to reach the third altar.
07:33 <mobileuser> yeah it's nicer if you don't need it :-)
07:33 <xdminsy> I forget to take out my many forged weapons out :P
07:33 <mobileuser> lol
07:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 8656922 points, T:96842, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xdminsy/evilhack/dumplog/1719779118.evil.html
07:34 <cbus> grats!
07:34 <xdminsy> thanks cbus :D
07:34 <Loveaabb> congrats xdminsy 
07:34 <Loveaabb> >w<
07:34 <xdminsy> thanks loveaabb.
07:35 <mobileuser> malor once you have Gjallar you won't need any more cursed invis anyway :-)
07:35 <malor> because it is a tooled horn, right?  That also doesn't work in dnh to wake things up :)
07:36 <mobileuser> no, because Gjallar wakes up every monster on the level!
07:36 <mobileuser> special artifact power
07:38 <k3ut0i> xdminsy: congrats \o/
07:39 <xdminsy> thanks k3ut0i.
07:39 <xdminsy> Yes, and cursed inv cannot wake up Vecna but Gjallar can.
07:39 <xdminsy> Very convenient.
07:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:99600 (17:08:25)
07:41 <malor> cool, first one gave me a potion of invis :)
07:42 <xdminsy> I've played enough wizards recently, need to try something else.
07:42 <xdminsy> (Maybe drow convict.
07:42 <xdminsy> Nope.
07:44 <mobileuser> heheh
07:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:100557 (17:22:31)
07:56 <malor> Surtur did 1 damage to me.
07:56 <malor> i.e. I needed to prepare even more :)
07:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:100559 (17:23:04)
07:57 <mobileuser> heheh
07:57 <mobileuser> \o/
07:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) refused to give up Gjallar to the Norn, on T:100645 (17:24:08)
07:59 <malor> I didn't kill the quest guys, I should NOT have right?  Or does it matter?
08:00 <xdminsy> Your leader may request you to return if you abuse alignments.
08:01 <xdminsy> If you kill them yourself your god will be angry and you'll have permenant luck penalty.
08:02 <mobileuser> yeah, you will need to repair alignment and luck now
08:02 <xdminsy> You have to talk to leader to finish quest if you want to do the invocation, but it's fine to not talk to them until that.
08:02 <xdminsy> Usually let pets kill them or avoid abusing any alignments before finish quest.
08:03 <mobileuser> oh you didn't kill the Norn yet?
08:04 <mobileuser> it's possible to do that just before going on the asc run, like xdminsy said
08:05 <mobileuser> quest will only be finished once the Norn is dead
08:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:5670 (0:59:39)
08:16 <malor> so I have to kill the Norn to ascend the game?
08:16 <malor> I did talk with him already and I have the bell of opening.
08:16 <xdminsy> Yes, but you have to kill Norn.
08:17 <xdminsy> I suggest using pets to kill Norn.
08:17 <malor> I don't have any pets.  Does it count as murder or something?
08:17 <malor> he agro'd me first!
08:17 <xdminsy> Even worth.
08:17 <xdminsy> worse.
08:17 <malor> oh, yikes.
08:18 <malor> yeah, I'll get a pet eventually then.  I'll come back later and do that.
08:18 <xdminsy> You alignment and luck will be negative and gods will be very angry with you, need to sacrifice a lot..
08:18 <xdminsy> And then your luck will decrease very fast and maybe the base line is -3 now?
08:18 <xdminsy> So I tend to avoid do the dirty work myself.
08:18 <xdminsy> Lose 13 luck is about to lose 13 to-hit.
08:19 <xdminsy> It affects especially when hitting like -30 AC enemies.
08:19 <xdminsy> You can have a pet dragon to engulf them, but you cannot tame dragons when wearing Dragonbane.
08:20 <xdminsy> Taming some woolly mammoths in Ice Realm to finish quest is my usual way..
08:21 <malor> ok, that's what I will do then.
08:22 <malor> ok, my luck seems to be maxed again.
08:22 <malor> medusa -> is her stoing bite something I can just eat a lizard to mitigate if she gets one off or do I just die?
08:22 <xdminsy> Ah yes, luck penalty is what you kill quest leader and guardians.
08:23 <xdminsy> If you haven't kill them then okay, they are now just hostile, the god didn't notice this :P
08:23 <mobileuser> I would not fight Medusa in melee
08:23 <xdminsy> You could eat lizard corpse, but medusa will bite you again I guess.
08:23 <mobileuser> she stones you faster than you can eat lizards
08:24 <malor> ok, so can I just avoid fighting her and dig down?
08:24 <mobileuser> just use ranged attacks
08:24 <xdminsy> You could kill medusa by using some wands or projectiles.
08:24 <mobileuser> ^ that
08:24 <xdminsy> Or you could just kite her and finally she will notice her gaze and stone herself.
08:25 <xdminsy> If you don't have enough ranged attacks :D
08:25 <malor> i am "fast" is that fast enough?  I am NOT very fast.
08:25 <mobileuser> of course, with yellow scaled armor she is harmless
08:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4727 (0:55:58)
08:25 <xdminsy> I forget, but I think you can jump.
08:25 <xdminsy> I guess she can hardly bite you.
08:25 <mobileuser> not if you levitate :-)
08:26 <xdminsy> Oh right, if you levitate, maybe medusa is faster than you.
08:26 <mobileuser> can't jump when levitating I mean
08:26 <xdminsy> Heh yes I know.
08:27 <mobileuser> in the past I have also used wand of death and even wand of polymorph :-)
08:27 <xdminsy> @e?medusa
08:27 <Hecubus> Medusa (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 tentacle drain str, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 bite petrification | Align: -15 | omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravis
08:27 <xdminsy> I've used wand of death too once or twice I remember.
08:27 <xdminsy> Polymorph works?
08:27 <mobileuser> she has some MR, but eventually you can polymorph her
08:28 <xdminsy> Okay, that's not bad.
08:28 <malor> should I levitate while fighting her?
08:28 <mobileuser> depends on the layout
08:28 <mobileuser> plan your approach :-)
08:28 <malor> ok, can I just boulder fort it?
08:29 <mobileuser> you may need an escape route
08:29 <mobileuser> boulder fort can work fine
08:29 <mobileuser> again, depending on layout
08:29 <xdminsy> I think you can, but maybe you could save earth for later use.
08:29 <malor> Evilhack is too hard for me.
08:29 <mobileuser> nah, you just learn
08:29 <xdminsy> malor yes I have that feeling when I play melee roles.
08:30 <xdminsy> You get armors and best weapons, but then, not enough :)
08:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] HungryMotu (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide hawaiian shirt of decay", on T:4838 (1:01:08)
08:30 <xdminsy> You have to get enough powerful ranged attack, like 50 +7 daggers.
08:31 <mobileuser> or some nice silver aklyses :-)
08:32 <rld> <@malorpower> this is my layout as I see it so far.
08:32 <rld> <@malorpower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1259124758612803634/Screen_Shot_2024-07-06_at_8.31.54_AM.png?ex=668a8acf&is=6689394f&hm=86179dd781dacf443f0a7b74dbc432f3ac22ad7145666746cdfb59ee1261dbc7&
08:32 <rld> <@malorpower> Could I fight the yellow dragons over there and get an armor from them first maybe?
08:32 <mobileuser> I think that's the one where Medusa can see you through iron bars
08:33 <mobileuser> you could use that against her
08:33 <rld> <@malorpower> oh, only 1 is a full dragon
08:33 <mobileuser> yes
08:33 <rld> <@malorpower> cool if she can see me then I auto-win, right?
08:33 <mobileuser> with enough patience, yes
08:33 <rld> <@malorpower> I just sacrificed for 60,000 turns.
08:34 <xdminsy> Need some time, she will avert her head to avoid her gaze reflection at almost all time.
08:34 <xdminsy> But then eventually you her will be stoned :D
08:34 <mobileuser> yes you have conclusively proved you are more patient than me :-)
08:35 <xdminsy> I think this version you can simply wait outside the ironbar, I guess she cannot get out to take close to you.
08:35 <xdminsy> She will shoot lots of arrows at you.
08:36 <mobileuser> the iron bars will be at the location of the kraken
08:36 <mobileuser> beware the kraken :-)
08:37 <mobileuser> btw did you know you can bash monsters with a lance or polearm behind iron bars malor?
08:37 <mobileuser> you probably do, I think aklys allows that in dnh
08:37 <rld> <@malorpower> hey cool, the dragon comes to me.
08:37 <rld> <@malorpower> i did know that but wasn't thinking about it.
08:38 <rld> <@malorpower> no yellow scales
08:38 <mobileuser> oh well
08:39 <mobileuser> you could revgeno them, but it shouldn't be necessary really
08:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 528 points, T:1259, killed by an arrow
08:41 <xdminsy> Seems valkyrie has no club skill, how does valkyrie usually kill Vecna?
08:44 <xdminsy> I remember my only valkyrie just use sword of annihilation to instakill vecna and lucifer, but now I don't know.
08:44 <xdminsy> Maybe 80 +7 daggers.
08:45 <xdminsy> Aas Vecna is shock reisistance I guess Mjollnir can only do 1d4 damage..
08:46 <xdminsy> !whereis malor
08:46 <Hecubus> xdminsy: [hdf-us] malor [evil]: (Val Cen Fem Neu) T:102509 The Dungeons of Doom level: 20
08:48 <mobileuser> I suppose valkyrie has 2-handed sword skill?
08:48 <mobileuser> Just melee with sword of kas
08:48 <mobileuser> while blind
08:48 <xdminsy> Oh right, I think of it.
08:48 <xdminsy> Sounds great.
08:49 <mobileuser> expert even
08:50 <mobileuser> ah the mithril lance behind the iron bars
08:51 <mobileuser> a wand of fire is also good malor
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08:52 <rld> <@malorpower> medusa went upstairs now.
08:52 <mobileuser> yeah that's always nasty
08:52 <mobileuser> downstairs
08:53 <rld> <@malorpower> should I follow?  She was around 40hp prior to that.
08:53 <mobileuser> I always follow and hope she is not next to the stairs
08:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed +1 spear on an altar, on T:5192 (1:02:26)
08:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:102794 (18:04:07)
08:55 <mobileuser> \o/
08:55 <xdminsy> \o/ you did it.
08:55 <rld> <@malorpower> yes.  That's nice.
08:55 <mobileuser> another hurdle overcome
08:55 <xdminsy> That's a big step.
08:57 <rld> <@malorpower> there is a black dragon on this level, that means passive disintegration in melee right?
08:57 <mobileuser> you can safely punch black dragons with dragonbane
08:57 <rld> <@malorpower> punch or use my regular weapons?
08:57 <mobileuser> yes passive disintegration for your weapon
08:57 <mobileuser> punch
08:57 <rld> <@malorpower> ok, so switch to bare handed
08:57 <mobileuser> dragonbane is immune to the passive disintegration from black dragons
08:58 <mobileuser> (but not immune to antimatter vortex)
08:58 <rld> <@malorpower> ok, castle.
08:58 <xdminsy> Yes, and you'll need to eat 2 black dragons for 100%.
08:59 <mobileuser> water castle
08:59 <k3ut0i> oh... antimatter disintegration is different from black dragons. I din't know that
08:59 <mobileuser> there will be doors to the left
09:01 <mobileuser> k3ut0i I learned by losing dragonbane that way :-)
09:01 <xdminsy> I learned from irc, much less pain :)
09:01 <xdminsy> Well this castle seems to be very annoying, those soldiers don't come to the bridge.
09:01 <xdminsy> And those spellcasters keep summoning nasties behind iron bars..
09:03 <mobileuser> yeah it's not the easiest one
09:04 <rld> <@malorpower> so I forgot my bugle, can I just striking + cold to clear the door or do I need to go all the way back again 🙂
09:04 <rld> <@malorpower> Yeah, I recognize this layout of the castle, it is a really hard one.
09:04 <mobileuser> why do you need a bugle?
09:04 <rld> <@malorpower> to play the pass tone
09:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5901 (1:13:14)
09:05 <mobileuser> oh I never do that myself
09:05 <rld> <@malorpower> I guess my quest artifact also is that 🙂
09:05 <mobileuser> heh
09:05 <rld> <@malorpower> I think going around back is better on this one anyway, right?
09:05 <rld> <@malorpower> or is that not an option in Evilhack?
09:05 <mobileuser> there is no backdoor on this one
09:05 <rld> <@malorpower> ok
09:06 <mobileuser> I just zap striking at the drawbridge
09:06 <mobileuser> and you can jump over the water
09:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:6034 (1:14:46)
09:06 <mobileuser> but the corridor will be nasty
09:07 <rld> <@malorpower> yeah, that corridor is where you genocided yourself right?  This is that one I think.
09:08 <mobileuser> yuuup :-)
09:08 <malor> I do know "Elbereth" now.  Can that help me maybe?
09:08 <mobileuser> heh I've never used that in evilhack
09:09 <mobileuser> blowing gjallar will be more effective
09:09 <mobileuser> to scare monsters
09:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3699 (0:30:18)
09:12 <xdminsy> You could try passtune, but usually they just don't come out to bridge.
09:12 <xdminsy> You could open and jump inside, then strike those doors inside, then some of them will come to bridge.
09:13 <rld> <@malorpower> wow, that worked pretty well, only one lich left now.
09:13 <xdminsy> Ah and be careful that all liches are able to cast cancellation I figured.
09:14 <rld> <@malorpower> cool, I'm in the 3rd room.
09:14 <rld> <@malorpower> i should be safe now
09:14 <mobileuser> heh, smooth!
09:27 <malor> ok, so fighting these black dragons.  I need to ONLY use dragonbane punches.  Will it destroy any of my armor or is that all ok?
09:28 <mobileuser> all ok
09:29 <mobileuser> you could also use a junk artifact you don't mind losing
09:29 <mobileuser> artifacts have a very high chance of resisting
09:29 <malor> I don't have anything with me that is an "extra" :)
09:30 <mobileuser> for future reference then :-)
09:30 <malor> is the wand in one of the 2 dragon rooms?
09:30 <mobileuser> could be, could also be all the way left
09:30 <mobileuser> behind the lava pool
09:31 <malor> I checked the 3 left chests and no go on those.
09:31 <mobileuser> ah, so one of the dragon rooms then
09:31 <malor> can I teleport wand the dragons away?
09:31 <mobileuser> yes
09:32 <mobileuser> be careful no to teleport the chest...
09:32 <malor> ok, I think I will do that since then I can make sure to isolate the black dragons so I can eat them :)
09:32 <mobileuser> no tinning kit then I assume
09:32 <xdminsy> I think digest is somewhat delayed instakill, you'll need to scare dragons to let them spit you out.
09:32 <malor> I think I may have found one in this game, not sure.  I don't have it.
09:32 <xdminsy> But usually digestion takes a long time to instakill I guess.
09:33 <mobileuser> xdminsy not a problem if you have slow digestion?
09:33 <malor> if I ping the dragon at range with the lance will the lance be destroyed?  I assume *NO* because that doesn't seem to trigger passives.
09:33 <xdminsy> Yes slow digestion is best to prevent this.
09:33 <mobileuser> lance will be destroyed
09:34 <xdminsy> I fear that use dragonbane inside black dragon may stay too long.
09:34 <mobileuser> most passives can be avoided by pounding, but not disintegration
09:34 <malor> oh, ouchy.
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09:36 <malor> does wand of death work on dragons?
09:36 <malor> also I found out that the castle box requires "opening" which I have somewhere but not here :(
09:37 <xdminsy> I think yes except gray and silver ones.
09:37 <xdminsy> There's a guranteed wand of opening in votd, and one in Charon's hand.
09:38 <malor> ok, one dragon down.
09:39 <malor> I think the 2 i had, I used one and the other was destroyed before I realized that wands get destroyed very easily in inventory.  At least back them they did, not sure about now.
09:41 <rld> <@malorpower> I don't have drain resistance, should I take on the votd?  Or what should I do?
09:43 <xdminsy> I think it's okay, you can do enough damage.
09:43 <mobileuser> malor you can use the bell of opening
09:43 <mobileuser> to open a crystal chest
09:43 <xdminsy> I think you can hardly be drained 2 level at once.
09:43 <xdminsy> And I think you have MC2 maybe.
09:43 <rld> <@malorpower> ok, I'll go get the bell then 🙂
09:43 <rld> <@malorpower> MC: 3 it says
09:43 <mobileuser> get the WoW and drain res first is what I would do
09:45 <mobileuser> yeah MC3 avoids most drain attacks, except if you meet shadow dragons
09:45 <mobileuser> (bbl)
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09:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:7488 (1:00:35)
09:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:7627 (1:02:51)
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09:51 <mobileuser> malor I forgot to mention: the bell of opening needs to be blessed
09:51 <mobileuser> now really back later :-)
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09:52 <xdminsy> Heh I don't know that either.
09:53 <malor> do I use it next to the chest or on top of the chest?
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09:59 <krm26> it has a radius of effect, i forget how big -- either on or next will work
10:00 <rld> <@malorpower> worked, thanks.
10:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 15544 points, T:8690, poisoned by a dwarf noble
10:00 <malor> wishing (0:2)
10:00 <malor> pretty good
10:01 <malor> Ok, what should I wish for as a Valk Centaur with good end game weapons, but not really much in terms of end game armor other than dragonbane.  I have a 20ST from eating a lot of giants.
10:02 <krm26> what server are you on?
10:02 <krm26> (so i can look at your current gear)
10:03 <malor> hdf
10:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 624 points, T:702, killed by a mountain dwarf
10:04 <rebatela> dafuq
10:04 <malor> gear up now.
10:04 <rebatela> !setmintc 3000
10:04 <Hecubus> rebatela: [hdf-au][hdf-us][hdf-eu] Min reported turncount for rebatela set to 3000
10:04 <rebatela> you fuckers don't need to see my early splats
10:04 <krm26> dragonhide t-shirt of (decay/esp) is a good one
10:04 <krm26> hah, i happened to be watching you at just that second rebatela :-)
10:05 <krm26> you are centaur? then i'd say mithril helm of speed
10:05 <k3ut0i> Lol! I didn't know you could set turn counts.
10:05 <k3ut0i> !setmintc 1000
10:05 <Hecubus> k3ut0i: [hdf-au][hdf-us][hdf-eu] Min reported turncount for k3ut0i set to 1000
10:06 -!- k3ut0i is now known as k3ut1i
10:06 <k3ut1i> !setmintc 1000
10:06 <Hecubus> k3ut1i: [hdf-au][hdf-us][hdf-eu] Min reported turncount for k3ut1i set to 1000
10:06 <krm26> what dragon scales do you have access to, malor?
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10:06 <malor> white only so far.
10:06 <krm26> use it for sure, you will enjoy the water walking
10:06 <malor> there is a black dragon and a shimmering dragon that I can kill if I need to.
10:06 <malor> doesn't that take up my cloak sport and/or tie itself to my armor if I enchant it?
10:07 <krm26> yeah, so the two wishes i would make are helm of speed, dragonhide t-shirt of decay, then blessed recharge your wand and sit on the remaining wishes
10:07 <krm26> plus i would fuse the white dragon scales
10:07 <krm26> keep your fireproof protection, fuse the dragon scales to your banded mail
10:07 <krm26> you'll ditch that for crystal with a different scales eventually
10:08 <krm26> remember to bless your wand of wishing before trying to wrest it
10:10 <rld> <@malorpower> What about life saving and another source of MR or are you assuming I won’t die yet and will find an MR source organically before dying is really likely?
10:10 <xdminsy> I'd like to suggest a blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide bracers of telepathy/decay
10:11 <xdminsy> have you get a wand of polymorph?
10:11 <xdminsy> I guess maybe you'll get gray scales later if you farm enough.
10:11 <krm26> you are unhappy with your current source of mr? the amulet is fine
10:12 <rld> <@malorpower> I do have a couple wands of polymorph
10:12 <xdminsy> I think that's depends, if you'd like to farm for everything else, then usually dragonhide armors are preferred wish because hardly to get in game.
10:12 <krm26> and life saving is imo a garbage wish
10:12 <rld> <@malorpower> The amulet doesn’t let me cheat death 🙂
10:12 <rld> <@malorpower> Not dying is a good thing, right?
10:12 <xdminsy> As it is your first evilhack game, I think amulet of life saving could help, but I think you may be able to polymorph one.
10:13 <krm26> anyway, you'll pick up crystal plate later that you can put your final dragonscales on. for right now, any dragonscales on that armor will be nice
10:13 <krm26> you may end up with more stuff that lets you rejigger your amulet but i certainly wouldnt worry about it at this stage of the game
10:13 <krm26> it is still early days for you
10:14 <krm26> your next challenge is tal'gath, then vecna
10:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "eee", on T:9691 (1:27:33)
10:14 <xdminsy> I think dragonhide shirts of decay and dragonhide bracers of telepathy won't be wrong choice.
10:14 <krm26> if you havent used an artifact wish yet you could always go for slotless mr if you are neutral or chaotic
10:15 <xdminsy> The helm of speed maybe you could get from a player monster or by polypiling.
10:15 <krm26> thanks xdminsy, i havent internalized the new bracers yet! always forget them!
10:15 <xdminsy> Ah yes, bracers are so fancy, I like them very much.
10:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide bracers of esp", on T:93871 (1 day, 9:52:19)
10:16 <xdminsy> Lol great.
10:16 <rld> <@malorpower> I am neutral.  And I have made zero wishes thus far.
10:16 <rld> <@malorpower> Also I just remembered I already have an AoL that I am not wearing
10:16 <xdminsy> But as a wizard I find that if I wear bracers, I cannot wear dark elven tunic, I have to wear AoR or crystal plate mail.
10:16 <krm26> i never use life saving. i mean, i also sometimes die, but never in situations where life saving would have helped
10:16 <xdminsy> Otherwise the penalty add up makes the finger of death not 0% fail rate.
10:17 <krm26> i have 0% finger of death right now as a level 20 wizard wearing helm of speed and bracers. the secret: staff of the archmagi
10:18 <xdminsy> Lol I see, the helm of speed usually has great penalty.
10:18 <krm26> the staff fives you -50% spell failure flat if i recall
10:18 <krm26> fives/gives
10:18 <xdminsy> life saving could prevent some instadeath I think.
10:18 <xdminsy> Like falling into air..
10:18 <xdminsy> Heh.
10:19 <rld> <@malorpower> So slotless Mr would be yendorian charge card?
10:20 <xdminsy> I guess rodney may steal it?
10:20 <rld> <@malorpower> That comes with the boss that guards that right?  I should be able to easily beat him I think?
10:20 <xdminsy> malor I tend to polypile amulets, usually I'll take 3 amulets in open inventory.
10:20 <xdminsy> Flying + magical breathing + life saving, and maybe for some roles I'd have to wear reflection/MR too.
10:22 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, I never trust quest mr source, maybe you could try that.
10:23 <rld> <@malorpower> Yeah that does sound too risky in evil
10:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:94222 (1 day, 9:59:55)
10:23 <xdminsy> Usually if I go AoR I always choose dragonhide cloak of magic resistance if I don't cast.
10:24 <krm26> i eat magical breathing to save slots
10:24 <krm26> ideal endgame is wearing flying for me
10:24 <xdminsy> Well but I don't play melee often, not sure.
10:24 <xdminsy> Oh right I never eat jewelery like mobileuser..
10:24 <xdminsy> Usually I switch to magical breathing when see sea dragons and at plane of water.
10:25 <xdminsy> Then that time I fell to air cuz I forget to switch back to flying :P
10:25 <xdminsy> Risky heh.
10:26 <xdminsy> Ah yes, malor if you want to use sword of annihilation, then no armor of retribution.
10:26 <krm26> yeah everyone falls to their death at least once :-)  ive done it twice returning from killing vlad
10:27 <xdminsy> Heh right, the vlads level are evil.
10:27 <rld> <@malorpower> Now that I have dichotomy I can use the armor eventually instead 
10:27 <rld> <@malorpower> Mobileuser said dichotomy was the best weapon
10:27 <krm26> nothing wrong with using dichotomy/vorpal as endgame weapons if you dont want to screw around with anything else
10:27 <krm26> dichotomy is amazing
10:27 <xdminsy> But while Gjallar provides half physical damage, maybe no AoR is fine too.
10:27 <krm26> im partial to hammer of the gods too
10:28 <xdminsy> Yes dichotomy is one of the best weapons in evilhack.
10:29 <krm26> oooh bonus kathryn marker
10:29 <krm26> and TWO pegasi to kill
10:30 <rld> <@malorpower> Hm I don’t have trollsbane so I might not be able to get armor of retribution 
10:30 <rld> <@malorpower> And I am NOT planning to spend a couple more hours sacrificing
10:31 <xdminsy> If you reach level 26 that would be fast :P
10:32 <xdminsy> Then maybe gray-scaled crystal plate mail is fine for you.
10:32 <rld> <@malorpower> Oh right.  The artifact percentage keeps going up as I level.
10:33 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, if you want to wear Hand of Vecna if Vecna drop that, maybe you'll need dragonhide alchemy cloak for acid resistance.
10:33 <krm26> or yellow scales are always good
10:33 <rld> <@malorpower> I want to keep dragon bane I think
10:34 <krm26> although you dont need acid resistance endgame if you really pump your hp up
10:34 <xdminsy> But anyway, I think dragonhide shirts and bracers are fine, then you can decide other wishes later.
10:34 <xdminsy> Maybe safe for marker is also doable.
10:35 <xdminsy> I think pyec is still okay because it provide half spell damage, while maybe vecna drop eyes providing half spell damage.
10:35 <xdminsy> So that's hard to decide what to wish :P
10:37 <krm26> now i have to decide if i want to tackle vecna without acid blast or not
10:37 <xdminsy> I think it's okay, magic missiles are enough I see.
10:38 <xdminsy> last game I polymorphed for acid blast before tackling rodney.
10:38 <krm26> really? doesnt vecna just always keep the reflecting bubble up?
10:38 <krm26> i havent played wizard since pre-vecna
10:38 <xdminsy> Sometimes vecna cast reflection.
10:38 <xdminsy> Then you go upstairs, wait enough time.
10:38 <xdminsy> Then descend to magic missile :D
10:38 <xdminsy> Heh, and usually vecna will just die.
10:40 <xdminsy> Last game I try to deal with that alhoon with only greased helm and magic missile, then I forget ALL spells..
10:41 <xdminsy> Then later I decide to not do polypileless for a simple life, get enough scrolls of earth to do the things..
10:42 <xdminsy> I've tried to fight alhoon as a wizard then forget all spells for 2 or 3 times, not sure why keep doing this :P
10:42 <krm26> yeah the alhoons really know what braincells to eat first
10:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6382 points, T:4211, killed by a panther
10:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 8872 points, T:12060, killed by a Mordor orc, while sleeping
10:44 <rebatela> i don't even bother with vecna
10:44 <rebatela> i do the first two levels of that branch... the graveyard and then that first boss (kas? koz?) 
10:45 <rebatela> i just wear that mobileuser oil hat and mellee the mindflayers/alhoons 
10:45 <xdminsy> I think vecna is easy to deal with if one can reliably cast a lot of magic missile.
10:45 <rebatela> yeah, i can... I dunno. I think i don't fight him more out of protest than anything 
10:46 <rebatela> i beat him a couple times when it was new 
10:46 <xdminsy> I often just kill vecna then not genociding L and alhoon for genocideless.
10:46 <rebatela> yeah.. you're all about the conducts, huh?
10:46 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, maybe I'm very fond of armor of retribution and often try to get it.
10:46 <xdminsy> I hardly do conducts actually, that's an accident :P.
10:47 <rebatela> kinda like that was a joke? 
10:47 <rebatela> weaponless is the only one i actually "TRY" to get 
10:47 <rebatela> the rest of the game is just ascending for me. it's hard enough 
10:47 <xdminsy> Like usually I polypile every game and wish for grayswandir every game when I play vanilla.
10:48 <rebatela> so you ARE trying to get all these conducts, right?
10:48 <xdminsy> But sometimes doing conducts could be fun, otherwise I like to fully armor myself and reach like 600 hp and 700 power and -80 AC around.
10:49 <xdminsy> That game i simply want to play a weaponless illithid wizards because of that 1 power force bolt.
10:49 <xdminsy> Then I try to get an early wish for a long time but none.
10:49 <rebatela> you talk about force bolt a lot. i've noticed that
10:50 <xdminsy> Later when I farming at quest, I want to check if my weaponless is still there.
10:50 <xdminsy> Then find wow actually I could keep all those conducts as I'm already farming :P
10:50 <xdminsy> And I count I could have 11, but I lost the survival :(
10:50 <xdminsy> So basiclly accident :D
10:51 <xdminsy> I think monks could do vegan easier maybe?
10:51 <rebatela> yeah, i think that's the idea... I'm a horrible monk as far as that stuff goes.. I love my corpses
10:51 <xdminsy> usually vegan is that you get enough food ration in early game, then maybe a lucky early coaligned altar.
10:52 <rebatela> I'm gonna throw some corpses on the grill pretty soon actually 
10:52 <xdminsy> Lol that happens often.
10:53 <xdminsy> My last wizard started vegan athiest, then I see an early altar then I go straight drop all items and forget I'm doing athiest.
10:53 <xdminsy> Then at castle I ate a black dragon forgeting i'm doing vegan :P
10:55 <xdminsy> I think no need to do some conducts, ascending is already fun.
11:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:96008 (1 day, 10:45:27)
11:10 <rebatela> i wonder what dragon meat would actually taste like... 
11:10 <rebatela> Would it be gamey? 
11:11 <rebatela> Or maybe it would be absolutely delicious... Gray dragon meat sounds kind of used... But maybe yellow dragon is like yellow fin tuna? 
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11:44 <krm26> well xdminsy, ive tried your magic missile with vecna suggestion, but he is reflecting 100% of the time so it has amounted to nothing
11:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:96967 (1 day, 11:26:55)
11:50 <krm26> cancellation to the rescue
11:51 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I think killing vecna by turning into a basilisk is sort of funny, I have tried that
11:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:97017 (1 day, 11:28:30)
11:52 <krm26> petrifying him used to deny you his item -- is that still the case?
11:52 <rld> <@loggers_viii> nope
11:52 <krm26> man
11:52 <rld> <@loggers_viii> petrifaction and disintegration still give you the item now
11:52 <krm26> used to be his stuff burned up in lava and was destroyed by stoning
11:52 <rld> <@loggers_viii> *petrification
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12:11 <mobileuser> since when do petrifaction and disintegration still give you the item?
12:12 <aosdict> hmm it kind of makes more sense if you use a one hit KO method on vecna, you don't get the item (but you do still get to genocide L and such)
12:12 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I dunno but I’ve gotten the item from disintegration and petrification
12:14 <mobileuser> it seems "petrifaction" is an actual word instead of "petrification"
12:14 <mobileuser> I just copy/pasted that from loggers ;-)
12:15 <aosdict> petrifaction, the faction of the petri dishes
12:15 <mobileuser> lol
12:17 <rld> <@loggers_viii> that’s gonna be my tnnt clan name
12:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:66817 (1 day, 1:03:40)
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12:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:5340 (0:57:46)
12:28 <krm26> petrification is stoning, Petrification (capital P) is culturing something :-)
12:29 <mobileuser> I think the eye or hand won't appear if you stone him, but K2 or terrapin will know
12:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 2280 points, T:2833, killed by a bolt of fire
12:42 <mobileuser> woah, shambling horror dropped a wand of death
12:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:999 (0:22:26)
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13:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1021 points, T:1216, suffocated by a water elemental
13:38 <Umbire> xdminsy, late but Mjollnir had its base weapon changed for Evil ages ago
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13:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 558 points, T:1754, killed by a bolt of fire
13:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 2751 points, T:3007, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rabid dog
13:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 428 points, T:727, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant rat
13:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 0 points, T:41, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted fox
14:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a steel dagger entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:5933 (1:01:09)
14:15 <rld> <@malorpower> polypile success -> f - a crystal plate mail
14:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a chain mail entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:7186 (1:12:40)
14:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:7547 (1:17:15)
14:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a small shield entrusted to her by Odin, on T:105794 (19:52:14)
14:21 <rld> <@loggers_viii> mobileuser: on my draugr convict game I stoned him. I ascended that game with the sword of annihilation, so he must have dropped the body part
14:22 <rld> <@loggers_viii> really late answer but whateva
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14:23 <Umbire> Hi loggers
14:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 1260 points, T:1727, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rabid dog
14:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide hawaiian shirt of decay", on T:106147 (19:56:46)
14:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scales", on T:106164 (19:58:01)
14:37 <krm26> (personally i consider that an inefficient evilhack wish, malor, unless you actually want to use that as a cloak)
14:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 264 points, T:1222, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted goblin
14:38 <krm26> you could wish for a marker, write a cursed scroll of genocide plus many other things, and almost certainly get dragonscales from the summonees
14:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 0 points, T:12, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted fox
14:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:97640 (1 day, 12:31:06)
14:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:97640 (1 day, 12:31:09)
14:40 <malor> I did it because I am VERY POSITIVE that I would have messed up royal during the fight with the gray dragons and gotten cancelled.  I am positive of that :). Losing one wish and gaining a ton of enchantment on every item I own is worth it :)
14:40 <krm26> you could always take off your enchanted gear to kill the gray dragons
14:40 <malor> Question on merging armor with hide -> If I am wearing my armor and my cloak will the enchant armor ALWAYS merge?
14:41 <krm26> enchanting dragonscales will always merge them with the armor you wear under them
14:41 <malor> krm26 -> That sounds like the answer to why I died :)
14:41 <krm26> your enchantment on the scales is meaningless
14:42 <krm26> dont you have a decent ranged weapon at this point? either magic missile or an enchanted aklys of lightning or something?
14:42 <malor> The "dragon scales" *prior to merging -> do those provide "90% cancellation also"?  Or only when merged with your armor?
14:42 <rld> <@loggers_viii> only when merged
14:42 <malor> Ok, thanks.
14:42 <krm26> the secondaries are when merged, the primaries are when worn as a cloak
14:42 <malor> I haven't found magic missle, plus I can't image my success with it would be more than 40% of the time.
14:43 <malor> You get both primary and secondary when merged right?  Or only secondary?
14:43 <krm26> both
14:43 <malor> ok, good.
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14:44 <krm26> the only really interesting scales-as-cloaks are silver, sea, celestial, and shadow
14:44 <malor> My best ranged weapons are a stack of daggers and my mithral lance.  The range on the aklys is only 2 squares also, right?  So the lance is equal to that or am I wrong?
14:44 <krm26> range on the aklys is 5 i think
14:44 <rld> <@loggers_viii> the range on the Aklys is good
14:44 <mobileuser> no club skill
14:44 <mobileuser> for valk
14:44 <rld> <@loggers_viii> oh, is it skill dependent?
14:45 <krm26> no
14:45 <krm26> just miss more
14:45 <malor> I can get basic club.
14:45 <rld> <@loggers_viii> !whereis malor
14:45 <Hecubus> @loggers_viii: malor is not playing.
14:45 <malor> I am in sokoban right now.
14:45 <krm26> but i have repeatedly killed gray dragons using combat wands
14:45 <krm26> just make sure you're bouncing the rays
14:45 <malor> I have a regular aklys.
14:46 <krm26> or let em eat you and dig em a few times
14:46 <rld> <@loggers_viii> combat wands are good for gray dragons
14:46 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I usually get rid of gray dragons cause fighting them is a pain and a half
14:46 <krm26> really, with your gear malor, you should have summoned a bunch of them with no slow digestion and dug em into lightning wand range
14:47 <krm26> if you never melee them, they never cancel you
14:47 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I never have any good ranged attacks in evil
14:47 <rld> <@loggers_viii> unless I’m like, wiz
14:47 <malor> See I thought Leaving melee was the key to not being cancelled.  I am telling you I would have not enjoyed it :)
14:48 <rld> <@loggers_viii> have you identified genocide scrolls?
14:48 <malor> i have id'd genocide and used one to gain 20 max hp from nurses.  That was my only one so far.
14:48 <rld> <@loggers_viii> ahh you should’ve wished for a marker
14:49 <rld> <@loggers_viii> markers don’t randomly generate in evil so it’s worth the risk of reverse genoing for MR to get one
14:49 <malor> yes in dnh i know what I can and cannot beat in combat :).  I don't know what I can beat here.  Even with help I would have been very likely to have lost value in the outcome.
14:49 <mobileuser> oh was club skill unlocked by keolewa?
14:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 674 points, T:1038, poisoned by a rotted hobgoblin corpse
14:50 <malor> maybe mobileuser.  I have received that.
14:50 <rld> <@loggers_viii> nah marker’s plus a billion value :)
14:50 <mobileuser> that's it then
14:51 <mobileuser> btw I do the thing with scroll of scare monster and a 3x3 room
14:51 <mobileuser> drop all stuff that can be cancelled and just melee
14:52 <malor> can't my weapons and armor all be cancelled?
14:52 <rld> <@loggers_viii> that seems dangerous
14:52 <krm26> cancellation attack is passive
14:52 <mobileuser> not if you drop them
14:52 <krm26> if you hit, stuff on you can be cancelled
14:52 <mobileuser> but standing on scare monster you can safely melee with all your good stuff on the floor
14:53 <mobileuser> just use a +0 weapon
14:53 <rld> <@loggers_viii> but then you’re naked and surrounded by dragons… this strategy seems to have a low margin of error
14:53 <mobileuser> scroll of scare monster
14:53 <malor> yeah, it just doesn't sound like "me".
14:53 <rld> <@loggers_viii> what if a rock mole pulls up and lets one of them out lol
14:53 <mobileuser> just make sure they can't escape
14:54 <krm26> just sleep em and aklys em to death, ez pz
14:54 <mobileuser> esp, warning....
14:54 <mobileuser> yeah you gotta watch out for intruders
14:54 <rld> <@loggers_viii> sounds like a good strategy I just think maybe I would die :P
14:55 <krm26> am i the only evilhack player who constantly genocides green slimes because they are so terrifying?
14:55 <mobileuser> I've done this hundreds of time :-)
14:55 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I also do that krm26
14:55 <mobileuser> sometimes krm26
14:55 <rld> <@loggers_viii> They seem to sneak up when you least expect it
14:55 <mobileuser> just have a wand of fire
14:55 <krm26> i get really nervous. what if i'm stunned? what is my wand gets exploded?
14:56 <krm26> dfkjdfkdj slimes
14:56 <mobileuser> heh
14:57 <krm26> hmm speaking of dragon scales maybe i should wish for a celestial cloak of flying
14:57 <rld> <@loggers_viii> one time I made it to Gehennom without a wand of fire and had to dunk myself in lava to survive
14:57 <mobileuser> oof
14:58 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I think you should be able to enchant scales without merging into armor. like, “do you want to merge your plate mail and dragon scales? y/n”
14:58 <krm26> what happens if you confused enchant damaged scale cloaks? poly?
14:59 <rld> <@loggers_viii> can they even get damaged?
14:59 <rld> <@loggers_viii> oh, deterioration
14:59 <rld> <@loggers_viii> dunno. can’t test atm
15:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 127 points, T:805, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted fox
15:00 <krm26> i suspect there is no way to repair damaged dragon scale cloaks
15:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a magic missile), on T:1311 (0:06:07)
15:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha), 1050 points, T:1343, quit
15:09 <rld> <@malorpower> ok, I have a "copper aklys" and an "aklys".  Both currently +1, but I'll enchant one of them.
15:10 <rld> <@malorpower> There isn't a difference in them is there?
15:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) made her first wish - "+2 stone speed boots", on T:331 (0:02:17)
15:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 142 points, T:636, killed by a scroll of earth
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15:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3185 (0:13:43)
15:21 <mobileuser> you can forge silver aklyses
15:22 <mobileuser> if you have a good stack of silver arrows or bolts that you can enchant....
15:22 <mobileuser> where is xdminsy to explain :-)
15:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 260 points, T:1138, killed by an acidic corpse
15:24 <mobileuser> krm26 you can wield scales and use confused enchant weapon
15:24 <mobileuser> you are right about enchant armor, I made that mistake once
15:28 <rld> <@malorpower> ok, I'm on the valley of the dead.  Wraiths won't work here or in the castle.  Is that correct?
15:28 <rld> <@malorpower> Also, what should I be worried about in the Valley of the Dead?
15:28 <rld> <@malorpower> Are Spectres a problem?
15:28 <malor> ug, I should have created a silver aklys.
15:34 <mobileuser> I mostly fear the demons
15:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5305 (0:26:39)
15:35 <mobileuser> and you don't regen hp
15:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:5525 (0:28:48)
15:38 <malor> i knew i didn't regen.  First 2 rooms cleared and I have lost 11 hp, so pretty ok.
15:38 <malor> found a magic whistle finally!
15:39 <mobileuser> get wraiths to follow you out of the valley and out of the castle, but if you get early access to the talgath level, that's quicker for wraith eating
15:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 688 points, T:1384, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while helpless
15:40 <rld> <@fredriq> FIQHack monsters *do* in fact know how to raybounce
15:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:44657 (20:13:13)
15:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 172 points, T:383, killed by hallucinogen-distorted Ms. Lulea; the shopkeeper
15:44 <malor> ok, what do I do with Charon?
15:45 <malor> also do I just striking down the drawbridge?
15:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an elven watchman), on T:7481 (0:40:01)
15:49 <malor> striking no-go.  I guess I have to go back and get my bell of opening again :(
15:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 205 points, T:505, killed by a gas spore's explosion
15:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) had 14 shuriken entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:8533 (0:47:02)
15:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 254 points, T:566, killed by an acidic corpse
15:55 <mobileuser> malor there is a wand of openin
15:55 <mobileuser> g
15:55 <mobileuser> secret room bottom left
15:55 <malor> ok, cool.  Good timing as now I can leave my bell here :)
15:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 54 points, T:87, killed by a boulder
15:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) had a cloak of displacement entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:8842 (0:49:02)
15:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha), 17816 points, T:8877, killed by Mr. Renrut; the shopkeeper, while attempting to cheat Death
16:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:110135 (21:09:43)
16:17 <mobileuser> no magic lamp to steal from Izchak :-(
16:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 1297 points, T:2001, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant mosquito
16:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had a steel spear entrusted to him by Set, on T:45304 (20:42:04)
16:24 <malor> I detoured to clear Fort Ludious.
16:24 <malor> How should I fight Cerebrus?
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16:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:110894 (21:22:47)
16:33 <malor> face tanking worked fortunately.
16:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:110925 (21:23:40)
16:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:12080 (2:03:51)
16:41 <malor> Made it to Jubliex's lair.  What's the strategy for Jubliex and lair.  I have flying and -46 AC and dual wielding dichotomy and vorpal blade.  I have 186 hp.
16:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 909 points, T:1021, killed by hitting herself in the face
16:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:12525 (2:10:01)
16:47 <mobileuser> just blow your horn while on the stairs. be sure you can cure sickness in time. but are you skipping vecna?
16:48 <mobileuser> I would be happier with 250+ hp in gehennom
16:49 <mobileuser> btw the layout is such you can cheese cerberus by freezing the water, then drowning him
16:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 249 points, T:815, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted dwarf zombie
16:52 <rld> <@malorpower> I want to do vecna.  Where is vecna?
16:52 <rld> <@malorpower> Do I wand of digging when I am inside jubliex or should I keep regular attacks?
16:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:45999 (21:08:59)
16:55 <mobileuser> wand of digging I suppose?
16:55 <mobileuser> reduces HP by 50%
16:56 <mobileuser> vecna portal is on the first level of gehennom
16:56 <mobileuser> use confused gold detection
16:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 416 points, T:722, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rothe
17:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:14188 (2:33:39)
17:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 612 points, T:1225, killed by a water elemental
17:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a silver spear entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:14753 (2:40:46)
17:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 783 points, T:589, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted hobgoblin
17:26 <mobileuser> btw malor, have you done the ice queen branch yet?
17:26 <mobileuser> portal is on the level just before Medusa?
17:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5094 (1:10:14)
17:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5976 (1:19:15)
17:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:6030 (1:20:16)
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18:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a dagger entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:21409 (3:38:43)
18:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:50028 (12:03:18)
18:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:50036 (12:03:30)
18:14 <rld> <@malorpower> No I haven’t done the ice queen either.  I didn’t know where that was either 🙂
18:14 <rld> <@malorpower> I will do that one first.
18:14 <rld> <@malorpower> How do I fight the ice queen?  (Valk centaur)
18:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 oilskin toque", on T:50040 (12:05:08)
18:19 <Umbire> Fire-element weapons/projectiles
18:22 <rld> <@malorpower> Looks like there is a dungeon tied to the valley of the dead too.  The hidden dungeon.
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18:41 <krm26> tal'gath dwells there, the genocide beholders boss
18:46 <rld> <@malorpower> Can i use the tooled horn on top of the stairs on the ice queens level to fight her more easily?
18:46 <rld> <@malorpower> It looks like I can beat her in melee with my items.  Is that right?
18:47 <krm26> tooled horn? you mean to aggro her? no, that wont work
18:47 <bouquet> you can try. She summons nasties and will blast you with acid.
18:47 <krm26> she can summon nasties and cast acid spells. acid resistance helps. her two dogs will also beat on you the whole time
18:47 <bouquet> jinx
18:48 <rld> <@malorpower> I have dragonbane which makes me immune to acid right?
18:48 <krm26> yup
18:48 <krm26> what is your ac and hp?
18:49 <bouquet> 5-6 blessed fire scrolls will help soften her up if not defeat her entirely.
18:49 <rld> <@malorpower> -46 AC and 186 hp.
18:49 <krm26> yeah you should smoke her with dichotomy
18:49 <bouquet> just don't hit her after she becomes peaceful unless you have a candy bar handy
18:50 <rld> <@malorpower> What the heck is the candy bar thing?
18:51 <bouquet> throw it at an angry post-peaceful Katharine
18:51 <bouquet> pacifies her
18:52 <rld> <@malorpower> Don’t I want to kill and loot her?
18:52 <krm26> you cant kill her
18:52 <bouquet> do you want any other tips? I don't want to spoil everything if this is your first visit to the ice realm.
18:52 <krm26> she gets pacified, her and her dogs
18:53 <rld> <@malorpower> I want 100% spoilers!  Vader is Luke’s father level.
18:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:98011 (1 day, 13:09:15)
18:54 <rld> <@malorpower> Ok I see.  I think I have a candy bar somewhere
18:54 <rld> <@malorpower> If not I can poly pile for one I guess 🙂
18:54 <bouquet> I recommend levitation or flying over all the ice on the 3 levels. One baddie with an oil potion and you'll drown.
18:54 <krm26> just dont hit her after she goes peaceful and you'll be fine
18:54 <krm26> dichotomy will kill you on the ice if you arent water walking, flying, or lev
18:55 <rld> <@malorpower> I am wearing flying amulet currently
18:55 <rld> <@malorpower> And will continue for the foreseeable future
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19:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1246 (0:10:47)
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19:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2080 points, T:2259, killed by a rothe
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19:59 <xdminsy> Heh morning I get up currently.
20:00 <xdminsy> Right yes malor you could use 3 or 4 holy scrolls of enchant armor to enchant a stack of arrows or darts, then forge aklys with them.
20:00 <xdminsy> Then you can obtain 6 +7 silver aklys with ony 4 enchant weapon.
20:01 <xdminsy> That way even some of them fail to return is totally okay.
20:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:99581 (1 day, 14:17:50)
20:02 <xdminsy> There's another way to deal with gray dragon is to forge one more mithril lance and keep it at +0, then apply it to kill gray dragons, I think only the lance will be cancelled.
20:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:99605 (1 day, 14:18:34)
20:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) used a forge to create the Armor of Retribution, on T:99663 (1 day, 14:19:08)
20:03 <xdminsy> But anyway killing gray dragons in melee is kinda of hard work, I like the wizards to simply zap 3 fireball at them lol :D
20:04 <xdminsy> Using +0 lance is safer than taking off all armors I think.
20:04 <xdminsy> mithril lance, for lightweight.
20:05 <xdminsy> krm26 usually I boulder fort to deal with that alhoon and purple L, then push one boulder out to get out and push it back.
20:05 <rld> <@malorpower> I doubt I will need multiple akyls.  They always end up in your spot so I can just pick it up.  I have a +7 non silver one currently.  Not being silver is not good of course so I will probably make another one out of silver before I go beyond the current level I am on.
20:05 <xdminsy> Then magic missile vecna and cursed gain level, when I descend he's probably refeclting.
20:05 <krm26> malorpower, aklys can also fail to return, doesnt just land at your feet
20:05 <xdminsy> Then I go upstairs to wait like 300+ turns, or just branchport to do something else.
20:06 <xdminsy> Then come back he's not reflecting, and magic missile will work.
20:06 <xdminsy> And very fast to kill vecna, usually like in 10 or 20 turns.
20:06 <rld> <@malorpower> Oh it can.  I didn’t realize that was part of it too.  Anyway I will live with 2 of them I think.
20:06 <Umbire> Not being silver isn't a dealbreaker, necessarily
20:06 <rld> <@malorpower> 20 turns is considered fast? 🙂
20:07 <krm26> to kill vecna, yeah, unless you instagib him with an appropriate weapon
20:07 <xdminsy> I think even powerful melee would take a long time?
20:07 <rld> <@malorpower> Right now due to skill points I have “unskilled” in club.  That’s definitely more important than a better version 🙂
20:07 <rld> <@malorpower> I should gain a level soon enough though 🙂
20:08 <xdminsy> malor yes that depends on if you want to obtain more aklys, I've tried using 6 +7 silver aklys to deal with vecna and all of them fail to return while vecna's still full hp.
20:08 <xdminsy> I think silver aklys would work better against lucifer.
20:09 <xdminsy> I think you could enchant that Sword of Kas to melee Vecna, that would work better.
20:11 <krm26> sword of kas is very effective against vecna, almost worth reskilling with blessed amnesia for it if your role is applicable
20:12 <xdminsy> Loggers once said that illithid get more power when leveling.
20:12 <xdminsy> Is that race relevent or just because their higher intelligence?
20:13 <krm26> now for my least favorite part of the game, where im as good as ill ever get and i still have to slog through the rest of gehennom and the ascension trying not to make an unforced error
20:14 <xdminsy> I think wizards ascension is super easy if you have enough scrolls of charging.
20:14 <xdminsy> Last game I almost kill all monsters on astral plane, I find that's easy for wizards, as I have 15 scrolls of charging..
20:15 <xdminsy> Does polymorphing into self race break polyself conduct?
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20:15 <krm26> unsure
20:16 <xdminsy> Late game usually I drain myself to level 1, buy 20 AC, then restore to level 30 with 25 Con and 25 Int.
20:16 <xdminsy> Wizards could reach about 600+ power I think.
20:16 <xdminsy> Well human could be hard to get 25 Int.
20:19 <krm26> ugh, i hadnt realized that id be continually blasted by the staff of the archmagi's power
20:20 <xdminsy> Ah it's a neutral alignment.
20:22 <Umbire> xdminsy, same-race poly makes you feel like a new <x> so no 
20:22 <Umbire> iirc it doesn't
20:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a goblin), on T:3766 (0:12:32)
20:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha), 2118 points, T:3778, quit
20:23 <xdminsy> Okay I see.
20:24 <xdminsy> I heard that in evilhack the player monsters on astral plane will sacrifice your amulet of yendor to the god make the game unwinnable.
20:24 <xdminsy> Is that true?
20:25 <xdminsy> I think if they don't have such behaviours, a wizard could simply drop the amulet and kill everybody with 1x power cost instead of 3x then ascend.
20:25 <xdminsy> @e?Archangel
20:25 <Hecubus> Archangel (A) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast clerical, 2d6 hug physical | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis
20:26 <xdminsy> Yesterday seems I was unable to kill 2 archangels, I'm not sure why I zap like 5 acid blast cannot kill one.
20:26 <xdminsy> Seems they don't resist acid.
20:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by Mr. Demirci; the shopkeeper), on T:1412 (0:04:27)
20:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by Mr. Demirci; the shopkeeper), on T:1413 (0:04:29)
20:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Mon Dra Fem Cha), 784 points, T:1418, killed by Mr. Demirci; the shopkeeper, while attempting to cheat Death
20:33 <xdminsy> I also find that the drow wizards would suffer from low power regeneration if no cursed magic lamp.
20:34 <xdminsy> Usually wizards walk and regenerate power, but drows #monster is a fixed area darkness.
20:34 <xdminsy> I could travel to restore power if I'm a human or illithid, but as a drow wizard with magic lamp usually I have to stay in darkness and just wait.
20:35 <xdminsy> without magic lamp.
20:36 <xdminsy> Oh well then I realize why the staff of archimagi gives off darkness for drow.
20:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 801 points, T:1601, killed by a gnome lady
20:38 <krm26> k2, why oh why did you make staff of the archmagi continually blast my poor chaotic wizard
20:39 <xdminsy> It blast from time to time or when or invoke or wield it?
20:39 <krm26> blasts like a normal misaligned artifact -- equipping etc
20:40 <xdminsy> Ah right.
20:41 <rld> <@malorpower> The "Control-O" menu shows that there is a MAGIC CHEST in the castle, but I can't find it?  Where is it?
20:41 <xdminsy> Center room.
20:42 <krm26> near the throne, probably under a bunch of stuff you killed
20:42 <krm26> _( will target it
20:42 <xdminsy> You could press ( to locate it.
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20:46 <malor> I was one square away from it :). Thanks!
20:48 <xdminsy> Heh seems malor you access irc from the same terminal and save in nethack often.
20:48 <xdminsy> It's hard to watch your game.
20:50 <malor> That's so I don't accidentally set focus and hit a key that I don't want to.  So I end the game whenever I tab off to prevent that.  I also work while I play most of the time, so I don't want to enter things accidentally on "work" either, so I also save/close between changing windows.
20:50 <malor> I do have a tinning kit now!
20:51 <malor> so I have 50% disintegration protection now.  Getting there!
20:51 <xdminsy> Heh I see, that's fine.
20:51 <xdminsy> Does centaur jumping cost nutrition?
20:53 <malor> and of course I forgot to get the axe I went to the chest to get.
20:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:113187 (22:08:03)
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21:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:100179 (1 day, 15:18:51)
21:05 <krm26> hah, demonbane just lying on the floor a few steps past orcus
21:09 <xdminsy> I'm not sure if 200 hp and -46 AC is enough for ice realm, but be careful :D
21:10 <xdminsy> And there may be ice trap that may strip some of your cold resistance, you could take a ring of cold resistance and tinning kit for white dragon too.
21:12 <malor> Is it ALWAYS safe to just use an enchant armor scroll with all your items on?  The system lets you pick, right?
21:12 <krm26> only if it is identified
21:12 <malor> the scrolls are blessed enchant armor.  That's ok, right?
21:13 <xdminsy> Yes if it scroll OF enchant armor instead of CALLED enchant armor.
21:13 <malor> ok, good good. Thanks.
21:14 <malor> is the same also true when using a confused scroll?
21:14 <xdminsy> Yes.
21:14 <malor> ok, thanks
21:18 <malor> i am already wielding Dichotomy.  Do I also need a ring of cold resistance?
21:18 <krm26> no
21:18 <malor> ok, thanks.
21:19 <xdminsy> Oh right, you have Dichotomy.
21:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:72611 (1 day, 4:43:26)
21:29 <malor> Ok, I pumped myself up a bit.  Now -50 AC and 250hp.  How does that work for Ice Queen?
21:30 <krm26> should be ez
21:32 <malor> I'm leaving a couple of the mammoths alive on level 2.  I'll come back and tame them later.
21:32 <malor> to kill my quest boss
21:34 <malor> does the Ice Queen not come after me?  She is active now but not teleporting to me.
21:36 <krm26> yeah, go engage in her room
21:37 <malor> I'm going
21:40 <xdminsy> I'm human wizard again again again :PP
21:41 <xdminsy> Starting with a wand of secret door detection can simply check if there's mimic in shops.
21:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:101090 (1 day, 15:58:24)
21:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 486 points, T:1228, killed by a lesser homunculus, while sleeping
21:47 <rld> <@malorpower> when does the Ice Queen start to try to kill me?  I'm standing by one of her pets.
21:47 <xdminsy> !lastgame xdminsy
21:47 <Hecubus> xdminsy: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xdminsy/evilhack/dumplog/1720315785.evil.html
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21:48 <xdminsy> She's hostile from start I think, when she saw you she'll attack you.
21:48 <xdminsy> Dichotomy should be effective at defeating her.
21:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:114181 (22:49:50)
21:49 <malor> decap on first hit.
21:49 <xdminsy> You wield a potion of acid and F the iron bar, then you can get the bag of hesperides.
21:50 <malor> ok, I was about to ask how that worked.
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21:50 <xdminsy> I think there're guranteed 3 potions of acid inside southeast chest.
21:50 <krm26> use wand of speed on the pegasi immediately, once it levels to a greater pegasi you'll never overcome its resistance
21:51 <xdminsy> I find that usually pegasi will be slowed by skeleton or whatever, need to F 2 potion of speed on it.
21:51 <xdminsy> After it grows.
21:53 <malor> the pegasus is only peaceful not tame.  Is it supposed to be tame?  Can I throw it a food to tame it?
21:53 <Umbire> Yes, the food is with the acid potions
21:54 <Umbire> It's domestic
21:54 <Umbire> So just treat it like you would a regular horse
21:54 <malor> ok, tamed.
21:55 <krm26> it ends up level 30 greater pegasus with 240 hp and very significant attack power, excellent pet or mount
21:55 <krm26> make sure to pop spiked barding on it immediately
21:56 <malor> where do I get barding?
21:59 <krm26> plate + saddle, then barding + morning star for spiked
21:59 <krm26> (forging)
21:59 <krm26> can also do barding + shield of reflection for polished barding
21:59 <krm26> you get to choose whether your pet will die from engulfing or a death ray :-)
21:59 <malor> oh, forging right.  I forgot already :)
22:01 <malor> ok, transfered all my items to the new better bag :)
22:04 <malor> can the pegasus kill my quest leader?  Or is he not ready yet?
22:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2107 (0:12:11)
22:04 <krm26> what is your quest leader's level?
22:04 <krm26> the pegasus can reach 30
22:04 <malor> I'm not sure, I never checked.
22:05 <xdminsy> Ah, it's domestic, I don't know befoer..
22:05 <malor> ok, pegasus dead already.
22:05 <krm26> type /?nameofyourquestleader
22:05 <krm26> zap it with a wand of turn undead
22:05 <krm26> how did it die so fast?
22:05 <xdminsy> Touch of death?
22:06 <malor> walking through the medusa level i avoided the zombies, he didn't and immediately got killed by illness.
22:06 <krm26> yeah barding protects from zombies
22:06 <krm26> gotta pop barding on them right away
22:06 <tinklebear> *greased* barding protects them better
22:06 <Hecubus> tinklebear: Message from mobileuser at 2024-07-06 06:17 EDT: congrats!!
22:07 <tinklebear> (or so I imagine)
22:08 <malor> I'm not good with pets :)
22:08 * tinklebear did not organise a double blind study
22:10 <krm26> show me the plos one article
22:10 <tinklebear> no can do, krm26. I'm a big fat pseudoscientist
22:11 <xdminsy> I want to play a petless game, then The gnome lady activates a figurine, and it transforms.
22:11 <xdminsy> Why it's my tame coyote.
22:12 <Umbire> Monsters have cursed figurine odds iirc, so it's 10% to be tame
22:12 <Umbire> (as in towards you)
22:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:114753 (23:13:11)
22:14 <malor> yikes, what is the strategy for the "Hidden Dungeon".  It looks like everything in there is super scary.  I assume I should try to be blind most of the time?  Is the basilisk scary?
22:15 <xdminsy> Yes, better not to melee basilisk.
22:15 <xdminsy> It may stone you very fast.
22:16 <xdminsy> Just blind and levitate then all be fine I think.
22:16 <rld> <@malorpower> shambling horror.  That's another scary thing right?
22:16 <rld> <@malorpower> Should I range attack only on that also?
22:16 <krm26> you dont know how scary until you kill the first one
22:17 <xdminsy> Yes, kill one in range then check what it is.
22:17 <krm26> this game, mine is full-on vorpal. they can be very very bad if you are unlucky
22:17 <krm26> that horror is positioned really nicely for you to kill it behind bars and learn what it does
22:17 <krm26> unless of course it phases
22:17 <rld> <@malorpower> where is the pokydex?  I didn't know evilhack had that?
22:17 <Umbire> It's literally just far looking or using / 
22:17 <rld> <@malorpower> I am hoping mine is vorpal as I'm immune to that 🙂
22:18 <krm26> -> /?whateveryouwannaknowabout
22:18 <Umbire> But again, you need to kill a shambling horror to get its entry
22:18 <rld> <@malorpower> oh, wow.  Cool.
22:19 <rld> <@malorpower> right, but this is nice for other monsters.
22:19 <tinklebear> vorpal, drain, disint, butt stun, why not all four?
22:19 <tinklebear> butt shock
22:21 <rld> <@malorpower> Seems like the shambling horrors are pretty beatable, right?
22:21 <rld> <@malorpower> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1259333334585184317/Screen_Shot_2024-07-06_at_10.20.42_PM.png?ex=668b4d10&is=6689fb90&hm=172bf511d736095b3b1d6e1a79f603fa284499caf886b3a5c6e3a2be062c4270&
22:21 <rld> <@malorpower> the teleport isn't great, but the other items I resist, the special part, right?
22:22 <krm26> yeah that horror is no big deal
22:22 <krm26> if you arent afraid of a pyrolisk or quantum mechanic you arent afraid of it :-)
22:23 <malor> basilisk down!
22:23 <malor> I'm not afraid of either of those ;)
22:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Tal'Gath, on T:114961 (23:22:48)
22:27 <malor> got him.
22:29 <krm26> grats! now you can genocide beholders
22:29 <krm26> dont forget his crystal chest
22:29 <malor> I looted it.
22:30 <krm26> ugh, i just cant get in to the new wizard tower's first level...still such a slog
22:30 <malor> ok, now Vecna's lair.  What is the startegy for him?
22:31 <malor> and for the lair
22:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:3980 (0:41:22)
22:35 <krm26> first level is tons of loot, enjoy. 2nd level the best thing to do is drink cursed invis on the stairs to grab the 4 big liches, then you need to face kas, who can be tough to melee
22:35 <krm26> after him there will generally be an alhoon and some big liches on the final level, again, engage on stairs before you clear to vecna
22:35 <krm26> put on your blindfold, pop vecna, run for the upstairs, and kill him there. boulder fort or melee or whatever. his withering is extreme, bring full healing if meleeing
22:36 <krm26> if you haven't genocided beholders there will be 2 in the first room on the midlevel (kas's level)
22:36 <krm26> and more on vecnas
22:36 <malor> can I boulder fort + lance to just kill everything pretty easily?  Or can some of them break boulders?
22:37 <malor> should I genocide beholders then/now?
22:37 <krm26> i would genocide beholders immediately, they are huge threats
22:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:4464 (0:45:31)
22:37 <krm26> if you only genocide one monster in a game, it should be beholders imo
22:38 <xdminsy> I think you cannot use lance while boulder fort.
22:38 <krm26> since they can generate within your line of sight in the endgame and you are immediately being petrified or whatever
22:38 <malor> ok, got it on beholders.
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22:40 <malor> you are right, boulders block lance :(
22:41 <krm26> silver lance should be excellent for kas, you can retreat/pound and joust him if he gets close
22:41 <krm26> and then if you want you can quickly train up his sword to use on vecna
22:41 <krm26> or can just flail away with vorpal blade hoping to get lucky
22:41 <malor> looks like aklys or daggers both work in the fort.
22:42 <malor> I don't like relying on luck :)
22:42 <krm26> all ranged works with a fort, just not polearms
22:42 <krm26> good luck! i'm out for the night
22:42 <malor> I see that now.  I have so far NEVER boulder forted in any game I have played :)
22:42 <malor> This will be a first!
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22:55 <xdminsy> Yes I never do boulder fort in vanilla too, but in evilhack that's often very convenient and somewhat necessary.
23:00 <rld> <@malorpower> For vecna - does he teleport next to you or does he have to walk?  If he walks can I lance him for a while also to soften him up?
23:00 <xdminsy> teleport to you, and vecna has gaze death.
23:00 <xdminsy> Remember to blind yourself if you want to melee vecna, though you won't die but your max hp will be drained.
23:02 <rld> <@malorpower> Ok.  I don’t really want to melee him if it is very difficult to do so.
23:04 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, melee with sword of kas should be effective, i think killing vecna with aklys may be even more difficult :P
23:04 <xdminsy> And i've remembered someone has phrased in this channel once they shoot 80 +7 daggers and Vecna is still alive..
23:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:6357 (1:12:47)
23:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:6374 (1:13:19)
23:10 <rld> <@malorpower> I don’t have any 2H sword skill currently.  My thought is my normal damage is decent anyway and every round I might behead him.  And if not vorpal and the fire portion of dichotomy should be hitting reasonably hard.
23:12 <xdminsy> Vecna resist fire and cold, I think dichotomy can only do 1x damage, but if you can luckily behead then things should be easy.
23:13 <rld> <@malorpower> Oh good to know.  Hm dichotomy will suck then.  My mithral lance might have to sub in.
23:14 <rld> <@malorpower> So does vecna do anything other than really high damage plus a really strong version of mummy withering if I am blind folded?
23:14 <rld> <@malorpower> Actually I will use dichotomy for the other benefit of my potions not getting destroyed 🙂
23:15 <xdminsy> Heh 1x damage is still a normal runesword I guess, 2d4, lance damage is 1d6 I think.
23:16 <rld> <@malorpower> Do I have to worry about anything other than damage if I am blind?
23:16 <rld> <@malorpower> He won’t reduce my max hp will he?
23:17 <xdminsy> He may still reduce your max hp if he cast touch of death.
23:17 <xdminsy> But if you don't blind yourself, you may lose 100+ max hp and maybe still cannot kill vecna.
23:18 <xdminsy> And he may summon other nasties, and those L may cancel you, or maybe vorpal jabberwock or master mind flayer around you?
23:18 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, I hardly play melee roles.
23:18 <k3ut0i> paralyze him and beat him to death... the only melee strategy
23:20 <rld> <@malorpower> So wield a potion and F->direction to him.  Is that how that works?
23:20 <rld> <@malorpower> I have only used paralysis for its intended purpose one time long ago before I ever even heard of dnh 🙂
23:20 <tinklebear> what is your dexterity, malor?
23:20 <k3ut0i> yeah, wield and attack him. with good dexterity you can just thow it. dex/25 sucess i think
23:21 <k3ut0i> just throw* it
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23:29 <tinklebear> @e?vecna
23:29 <Hecubus> Vecna (L) | Lvl: 99 | Diff: 50 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confer: fire cold | MR: 90 | Gen: unique | AC: -10 | Atk: 8d6 touch cold, 6d6 touch wither, 3d4 gaze Death, 4d6 cast spell, 4d6 cast clerical | Align: -20 | flies, breathless, regen, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, undead
23:30 <tinklebear> @e?Lucifer
23:30 <Hecubus> Lucifer (&) | Lvl: 110 | Diff: 66 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire shock poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 99 | Gen: unique | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw wither, 8d8 cast fire, 4d6 cast clerical | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis, demon
23:31 <rld> <@malorpower> I think my dexterity is 20.   That’s the max for centaur
23:31 <tinklebear> I think the formula for hitting with thrown potions is (DEX - 1) / 25
23:32 <tinklebear> notably, the target's AC is irrelevant, when you throw the potion
23:32 <tinklebear> but your dexterity *is* relevant
23:33 <rld> <@malorpower> It’s 20
23:33 <tinklebear> cool
23:33 <rld> <@malorpower> 76%.  Why not just punch with it though?
23:34 <tinklebear> how many skill points have you devoted to the art of barfighting?
23:35 <tinklebear> the adversary has AC -10, which is pretty good for a monster. and they can probably cast protection
23:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of high boots entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:8283 (1:43:41)
23:36 <tinklebear> so you might find it difficult to hit with a wielded weapon that you have no skill in using
23:38 <tinklebear> for the record: I have never fought Vecna
23:38 <tinklebear> (but I do hurl potions frequently)
23:40 <tinklebear> @e?alhoon
23:40 <Hecubus> alhoon (h) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confer: fire cold | MR: 90 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -6 | Atk: 1d10 weapon physical, 5d6 touch cold, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -15 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, covetous, infravis, undead
23:44 <rld> <@malorpower> Fortunately Evilhack will display my to hit for me so I will know what the odds of swinging with it are when I check it out next 🙂
23:44 <tinklebear> sounds like a great idea :D
23:45 <k3ut0i> yeah, when wielded you will miss striking him. But the potion will not be lost. If you have many potions throwing, is the way to go.
23:46 <tinklebear> good luck, malor
23:47 <k3ut0i> zap cancellation at vecna and kas if they have too high AC to strike reliably
23:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3407 (0:42:31)
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