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01:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 47796 points, T:14165, killed by a vampire queen
01:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 114 points, T:365, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water moccasin
01:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) murdered Fido, her faithful little dog, on T:76 (0:00:38)
01:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a bugbear), on T:1051 (0:09:33)
01:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1471 (0:14:52)
02:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:6374 (0:51:53)
02:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6533 (0:54:37)
02:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:6665 (0:56:52)
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02:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 8373 points, T:9246, killed by a wolf, while frozen by a monster's gaze
02:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of jumping boots entrusted to her by Mog, on T:44256 (13:58:42)
03:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4178 (0:58:59)
03:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the giant high priest of Moloch, on T:75206 (3 days, 10:34:03)
03:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:75216 (3 days, 10:35:31)
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06:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:318 (0:01:33)
06:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a shield of light entrusted to her by Mog, on T:50844 (16:50:13)
06:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Jared's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:1726 (0:09:20)
06:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1071 points, T:1952, killed by a giant mimic
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07:01 <malor> What are the best polypiling strategies for evilhack?  Should I gather all the magic armor and poly pile that?  I should be blessing and polypiling scrolls - right?  I assume I should poly pile rings?  What size stacks are ideal?
07:02 <krm26> polypiling rules dont really deviate from vanilla, there is a good article on the wiki
07:02 <rld> <@malorpower> ok
07:02 <krm26> personal opinion, almost never worth polypiling anything but "=!? and maybe magical tools
07:03 <krm26> or if you are desperate for a wand of death maybe wands
07:03 <krm26> i usually do it when there are good edible rings or to get breathing amulets to eat
07:04 <rld> <@malorpower> ok, that's good as I wasn't looking forward to trying to find every bad magic armor 🙂
07:04 <rld> <@malorpower> And sounds similar to my thinking in other variants.
07:04 <rld> <@malorpower> Thanks
07:05 <malor> will polymorphing tools potentially yield a magic marker?  If not, I can't see a reason to do tools either.
07:05 <krm26> no markers
07:05 <krm26> if you've never found a magic whistle or can of grease it can be useful
07:06 <rld> <@malorpower> ok, I don't have a magic whistle, so I will try to get one of those.
07:06 <krm26> sometimes it can be fun to save all of your wands of secret door detection, light, and create monster and go hunting an (n:14) wand of death
07:07 <krm26> but the most fun polypiling is obv when you have edible increase damage or accuracy
07:09 <rld> <@malorpower> What monster do you polymorph into to eat the rings?  I've never done that before.
07:09 <krm26> xorn
07:09 <krm26> remember to take off your t-shirt, armor, and cloak first!
07:09 <malor> ok, that was my guess.
07:09 <malor> right.
07:10 <krm26> i keep pushing for k2 to make golems eat their material but no dice :-)
07:10 <malor> I also need/want a ring of teleport control and a ring of slow digestion and a backup ring of free action.  I have a ring of levitation.
07:10 <krm26> free action is SO CRITICAL
07:10 <krm26> you can also use orange dragon scales
07:11 <krm26> or a slippery shield
07:11 <krm26> my current wizard got orange scales from a dl11 ludios which was really nice
07:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:33572 (15:53:05)
07:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33575 (15:53:11)
07:20 <mobileuser> I do often polypile for critical rings and amulets, but for the record, I never eat them :-)
07:22 <mobileuser> Mostly because I'm too lazy and also because I don't like the chance of polymorphing into own race and losing stats
07:22 <mobileuser> But it's a very viable strategy of course, nice if you can one-shot Lucifer with a tin opener
07:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:34024 (16:04:46)
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08:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:34336 (16:14:00)
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08:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Set, on T:37061 (16:35:54)
08:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:7511 (1:13:44)
08:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a drow zombie, on T:7657 (1:15:40)
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08:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:567 (0:02:32)
08:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 339 points, T:1237, killed by sitting on a forge
09:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:9906 (1:51:38)
09:08 <rld> <@malorpower> another polypile item I desperately want is a stethoscope so I will definitely do tools for that also.
09:09 <rld> <@malorpower> hey, I literally just found one from a monster drop.
09:09 <rld> <@malorpower> wow, that was really funny timing.
09:15 <mobileuser> heh, nice!
09:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8191 (3:08:22)
09:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Mog, on T:52184 (17:30:30)
09:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:39146 (16:56:45)
09:30 <krm26> mmm...dont let my selection for my crystal: blue gold green orange white yellow
09:30 <krm26> would do shimmering gray black silver without a thought
09:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:8805 (3:20:32)
09:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:79323 (1 day, 2:33:24)
09:42 <mobileuser> I would put yellow in the "without a thought" category too
09:44 <krm26> yellow is what i ended up doing
09:44 <krm26> man i woulda even done shadow
09:44 <krm26> ah well
09:44 <krm26> that early orange got me here tho
09:45 <mobileuser> risk-free medusa, acid res if you don't have dragonbane...
09:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:79443 (1 day, 2:40:50)
09:46 <mobileuser> heh
09:53 <rld> <@malorpower> does a cloak of magic resistance protect you from cancelation as well as the dragon-scaled gray does?
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10:13 <rld> <@malorpower> As a Draugur if you melee a fire elemental even with a ring of fire resistance you take a ton of damage, right?  Or does it vulnerabilty go away with the ring of fire resistance?
10:18 <mobileuser> any extrinsic fire res gives 100% protection
10:19 <mobileuser> my last draugr infidel wore red dragon scales as cloak :-)
10:19 <rebatela> damn. I got stuck on the plane of air and couldn't figure out why i couldn't get through the portal! (didn't have the AOY) 
10:20 <rebatela> i didn't realize that happened! Better than letting you get to Astral and then realizing...
10:21 <mobileuser> oof, good luck rebatela! (I'm going afk for a while)
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10:21 <rebatela> thanks. it's all good. i was able to find it
10:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Rog Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:54433 (18:29:55)
10:22 <malor> Ok, cool on the fire resist extrinsic overcoming.
10:27 <rld> <@malorpower> back to polypiling -> Is it a good idea to poly gems to get dialithium crystals to make "crystal plate mail"?
10:27 <rld> <@malorpower> Or will the presence of gems boost the probability that I get a golem?
10:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:105552 (1 day, 13:36:23)
10:28 <krm26> golems are one potential result but i wouldnt worry about it
10:28 <krm26> just one of those things you roll the dice on
10:28 <krm26> -- likelihood of dilithium from poly almost nil tho
10:30 <k3ut0i> If you clear ludios, zapping poly at the massive armor pile will most likely give you a crystal plate mail.
10:31 <rld> <@malorpower> ok I'll do that then.
10:31 <krm26> you misspelled "an iron golem"
10:31 <k3ut0i> Lol :) that too
10:31 <rld> <@malorpower> eventually since it appears I have the most challenging ludious version.
10:32 <krm26> centaur cages is SO IRRITATING
10:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:105728 (1 day, 13:48:27)
10:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Black Horse, on T:105731 (1 day, 13:48:36)
10:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:105767 (1 day, 13:49:21)
10:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6945606 points, T:105797, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1718211487.evil.html
10:42 <krm26> grats again rebatela!
10:42 <rebatela> thanks!
10:43 <malor> GG rebatela!
10:46 <rld> <@malorpower> which is better?  Mithral Plate Mail or Crystal Plate Mail?
10:47 <krm26> crystal doesnt block spells
10:47 <krm26> or wings
10:47 <krm26> even for roles that cast just a tiny bit, crystal is better
10:48 <malor> Can I get wings?
10:48 <krm26> that is for infidels who crown demon
10:48 <krm26> or if you want to perma-poly
10:48 <malor> I haven't picked up any spell books so I can't cast spells and I don't know if I would be able to anyway.
10:48 <krm26> valk?
10:48 <malor> yes
10:49 <krm26> it is well worth you learning magic missile
10:49 <krm26> at level 30 and basic attack spells, magic missile is a serious ranged threat
10:49 <krm26> lets you pick off stray green slimes, etc without thinking about it
10:50 <krm26> you may want some unskilled utility spells too like remove curse, restore ability
10:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:79924 (1 day, 3:08:08)
10:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 983 points, T:2302, killed by a magic missile
10:54 <malor> ok, I will collect the thousands of books and read them I guess.  I have a good bit of gain ability potions also so I should be able to get to cast reasonably.
10:54 <malor> Ok, so Crystal Plate Mail is highly beneifical.
10:54 <krm26> i wouldnt bother with any books that weigh more than 45 aum -- just level 1-3 spell books
10:55 <malor> Oh, the weight of 45 is for L1-3.  I didn't know that.
10:59 <krm26> 35 is l1, +5 aum/level after
10:59 <krm26> so magic missile is always 40 aum, etc
11:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 14036 points, T:10037, killed by Mr. Akalapi; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
11:02 <rld> <@malorpower> ok, I guess I'll just collect the 40s then.
11:06 <krm26> knock is another great one, 35, will open the crystal chests for you
11:07 <k3ut0i> rebatela: congrats!
11:12 <krm26> mmm edible damage
11:13 <rld> <@malorpower> I have a 6 charge wand of opening currently.
11:13 <rld> <@malorpower> is that enough for the remaining ones?
11:13 <krm26> they can be randomly generated so who knows
11:14 <krm26> you can also use opening to get out of engulfers
11:15 <k3ut0i> there are 3 crystal chest and two drawbridges that need opening
11:16 <krm26> not sure how you count that
11:16 <k3ut0i> oh! with tal'gath that's 4
11:17 <k3ut0i> tal'gath, vecna, rodney, high priest
11:17 <krm26> rodney can have additional crystal chests on his midlevel
11:17 <k3ut0i> oh yeah, I forgot those 3
11:17 <krm26> aphrodite has one if generated
11:17 <krm26> kathryn first level has one
11:17 <k3ut0i> and final has 4
11:17 <krm26> they can of course be randomly generated
11:18 <krm26> then the 5 at kathryn
11:18 <krm26> i mean, your count is way wrong
11:19 <krm26> none of them are mandatory really tho. the best ones are kathryn's bag chest and vecna's i think
11:19 <k3ut0i> high priests marker too.
11:19 <krm26> imo that is garbage, so late in the game -- i never bother
11:20 <krm26> i mean, im not fighting the high priest until im READY to ascend
11:20 <k3ut0i> charging and gold detection are always useful
11:20 <krm26> strong disagree, enough is enough, too much just weighs you down
11:20 <k3ut0i> you can never have enough charges for teleport wands
11:21 <krm26> ive died a lot on ascension runs :-)  never to running out of charges on anything or not having enough gold detection
11:21 <k3ut0i> Lol :)
11:22 <krm26> usually i will die with 20 full healing, at least 40 charges of teleportation, 15 of death, and a spare amulet of life saving
11:22 <k3ut0i> When I died to famine last game, I was trying to conserve teleport wands. Should have just kept moving
11:23 <k3ut0i> died with > 15 charges :(
11:24 <krm26> yeah teleportation is so key to purgatory and astral
11:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2019 points, T:5570, killed by a giant rat
11:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 84 points, T:568, killed by a boulder
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11:36 <rld> <@malorpower> Nurse dancing works in evil, right?
11:37 <k3ut0i> yes
11:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6444 points, T:4064, killed by a bolt of cold
11:39 <krm26> verrry carefully
11:39 <krm26> nothing like a beholder generating next to you while youre dallying naked with a nurse
11:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 618 points, T:2716, killed by a sea tortle
11:49 <xdminsy> grats rebatela.
11:53 <rld> <@malorpower> is there any other technique for increasing max hp other than the normal ones "nurses, healing potions"?
11:54 <xdminsy> I think no?
11:55 <xdminsy> If you want maybe you could via prayer.
11:55 <xdminsy> I think nobody's doing that, I may sometime do that.
11:56 <xdminsy> Low max hp character could prayer at 101 turns with less than 5 hp, and prayer altar camping sometimes add 5 max hp.
11:56 <krm26> you can always wield ogresmasher for the 25 con and then poly into a new wo/man
11:57 <xdminsy> Oh cool I don't know that, I usually drain myself to 1 and restore to level 30..
11:57 <krm26> but what i do is straight drink every blessed xh/fh potion and use alchemy to make dilute fh for emergencies
11:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:81022 (1 day, 4:14:39)
12:00 <malor> for polypiling - my best choice is to blank all the scrolls I want to poly pile them and then BLESS the stack and then split into separate piles on the ground.  Is that correct?
12:01 <krm26> if you want to squeeze every last ounce out of them, yes, just blessed scrolls
12:01 <krm26> i normally cant be arsed
12:01 <krm26> i just avoid cursed
12:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed mightyquinn's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:1568 (0:10:33)
12:10 <rebatela> k3ut0i: thanks! :) 
12:10 <rebatela> xdminsy: thanks! :)
12:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1291 points, T:2100, killed by a bolt of lightning
12:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:81979 (1 day, 4:30:00)
12:30 <rld> <@malorpower> what is the strategy for handling the Centaur version of fort ludious?
12:31 <krm26> be aware each time you are exposing yourself to a line of sight for the first time
12:31 <krm26> the centaur may have death, polymorph, cancellation
12:31 <krm26> so if you aren't prepared for it you could be f*d
12:32 <rld> <@malorpower> death/polymorph -> no problem since I have MR, right?
12:32 <rld> <@malorpower> Cancellation -> this will reduce the bonus on my items to +0 right?
12:32 <rld> <@malorpower> Is there any other effect of Cancellation?
12:32 <krm26> i like to be able to pop off an emergency sleep if I identify any of those wands and then ranged-kill the wielder as quickly asa possible
12:32 <krm26> cancellation can remove blessed status, enchantment, wand charges
12:33 <krm26> polymorph can be super-brutal, because if the first hit makes you drop everything as a slime or whatever, the second is going to dispose of all your gear
12:33 <krm26> and of course death is death
12:33 <rld> <@malorpower> polymorph doesn't hurt me if I have MR though right?
12:33 <krm26> correct
12:34 <krm26> mr will save you from poly and death (although can lose a few max hp)
12:34 <rld> <@malorpower> ok.
12:34 <krm26> gray dsm can protect from cancellation
12:34 <rld> <@malorpower> is that the only mr that provides that?
12:35 <krm26> armor of retribution also gives you that
12:35 <k3ut0i> eyes of overworld also gives 2/3 protection I think
12:36 <rld> <@malorpower> Armor of Retribution requires a LOT to make and is not wishable.  So that's out for a while.
12:37 <krm26> the best way to deal with it is be alert, notice the first cancellation zap, and immediately sleep the centaur in question
12:37 <krm26> so you only suffer one hit
12:40 <rld> <@malorpower> looks like the eyes of the overworld ONLY work for monks based on the source code.
12:40 <krm26> yup that is my understanding
12:41 <krm26> mannnn i really wanted a dragon pet but ive been derailed by an elder minotaur...cant give that up even tho it cant eat all these wraiths
12:41 <rld> <@malorpower> interesting -> If I am polymorphed INTO a Gray Dragon I have perfect cancelation resistance.
12:41 <rld> <@malorpower> I don't know if a Gray Dragon can beat all of them before something kills me into my normal form though?
12:42 <krm26> i doubt any of the centaurs can kill you before you breath weapon them to death
12:42 <krm26> of course, none of them might have any of those wands...you never know
12:42 <rld> <@malorpower> I know, i was meaning some other spawns that start to come through randomly.
12:43 <krm26> nah, toughest thing in there should be the 4 random dragons, and they are on the far said of the centaur cages so you can clear three columns before engaging them
12:43 <krm26> more with angles
12:43 <rld> <@malorpower> also if I am understanding the code correctly, it looks like gray scales are 90% resistant and the retribution is only 67% resistant?
12:43 <rld> <@malorpower> rn2(10) mean "YES" 90% of the time, right?
12:43 <krm26> yeah, gray dsm is almost all the time, retribution is most of the time protected
12:44 <rld> <@malorpower> is polymorphing into a dragon (after removing my armor) a viable strategy or is that just a stupid way to kill yourself when you accidentally unpoly?
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12:46 <rld> <@malorpower> ok, reading the wiki, it also says 90% cancelation for gray scales and 2/3 for Retribution.  So I did read that correctly 🙂
12:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1193 points, T:2749, killed by a white unicorn
12:47 <krm26> yeah i wouldn't be too enthusiastic about polymorphing naked into a dragon :-)
12:48 <xdminsy> I think you could just don't do the centaur version fort ludios.
12:49 <xdminsy> I think it doesn't worth it's danger and effort to do it early.
12:49 <rld> <@malorpower> i definitely WILL do it, but maybe not until I have really effective cancelation protection.
12:49 <xdminsy> Yes but if you have those almost everything why to do that..
12:49 <xdminsy> Usually I go fort ludios when I want to buy like 20 protection.
12:50 <xdminsy> Otherwise I guess ignoring the entire fort ludios is almost okay and it's common in other variants I guess.
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12:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1173 points, T:4448, killed by Gollum
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12:52 <xdminsy> Usually dealing with castle is even easier than that version fort ludios, and finishing castle you could get wand of wishing, then after clearing vecna level 1 you'll get many more items even.
12:53 <rld> <@malorpower> "could get"?
12:53 <xdminsy> Anyway it's still doable after you obtain those defense if you want.
12:53 <rld> <@malorpower> you always get the wand right?  Or do you sometimes not?
12:53 <xdminsy> Maybe someteims monsters will get the wand of wishing and waste it?
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12:54 <xdminsy> Loggers seems to have one game in such case, I never meet the situation.
12:54 <xdminsy> Usually you always get the wand.
12:55 <tinklebear> <@malorpower> Is there any other effect of Cancellation?
12:55 <tinklebear> yes. if you are in polyform, it will unpoly you
12:56 <tinklebear> (not sure about the case when *you* are a gray dragon)
12:56 <xdminsy> Your wands and scrolls and potions in open inventory all under the danger of being cancelled.
12:56 <k3ut0i> In one of my games, a soldier took the wand of wishing and made a wish before I could kill him through the iron bars. And before I could get to it, a Xorn came and ate the wand.
12:57 <k3ut0i> This was 0.8.2 or 0.8.3, I don't think it can happen now...
12:58 <xdminsy> It is changed?
12:58 <tinklebear> for a while, iirc, the soldiers would bring the chests out with them
12:59 <tinklebear> when they came out to fight
12:59 <tinklebear> I guess those were probably barracks chests, but it was weird
12:59 <k3ut0i> soldiers can't really access the chest in most versions of the castle now.
12:59 <xdminsy> tinklebear I watch your game a bit yesterday, are you doing atheist nudist mrless?
13:00 <tinklebear> heh, yes, xdminsy. i am
13:00 <xdminsy> That should be very hard, respect.
13:01 * tinklebear blushes
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13:04 <tinklebear> it seems to make weighing risks/benefits (of different choices) interesting
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13:05 <mobileuser> congrats rebatela!
13:11 <mobileuser> backscroll: disagree on the magic marker in the sanctum, that can save a wish (being able to just take some blank scrolls and knowing there will be magic marker)
13:11 <tinklebear> \o/ rebatela
13:12 <krm26> save a wish? man, i never spent a (late-game) wish on anything related to markers or marking.
13:13 <krm26> on the other hand, you are like 3,758% better at evilhack than me, so theres that
13:15 <tinklebear> what do you wish for instead, krm26? nothing?
13:15 <krm26> outside of bonus early wish or an initial crunch-survival wish, i generally fill in ascension kit with dragonhide versions and get one suite juicy bonus quest artifact
13:16 <tinklebear> I see
13:16 <krm26> first elective wish is normally dragonhide tshirt of decay or esp
13:16 <tinklebear> you do it with your fists. no need for a marker
13:17 <krm26> i am a big hoarder/polypiler, i normally find that polypiling scrolls means never having to use a marker
13:17 <tinklebear> ah. the polypiling.
13:17 <krm26> also note that my runs are SLOW. id have to change a lot of things i do to try to go faster
13:17 <krm26> i just like diddling around, because im frequently playing without paying much attention
13:18 <krm26> to wit, my ascension %age :-)
13:18 <tinklebear> :D
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:65712 (11:49:04)
13:22 <mobileuser> let's just say the presence of the magic marker adds to my warm fuzzy feeling of overpreparedness of being to write even more scrolls I will most likely never need :-P
13:22 <mobileuser> * being able to
13:23 <tinklebear> I seem to make better decisions when resources (like ink) are not scarce
13:23 <krm26> yeah i sometimes blow a wish i dont need on a marker i dont need
13:23 <mobileuser> exactly
13:23 <krm26> and every game is different, occasionally ive been really stressed for material
13:24 <tinklebear> it is true: every game is different! 
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13:25 <xdminsy> I like the markers.
13:25 <xdminsy> Especially when doing wishless, every marker is precious.
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13:26 <xdminsy> They are just finite resource in wishless games compared to vanilla.
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13:26 <xdminsy> wishless polypileless :P.
13:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) refused to give up The Eye of the Aethiopica to Neferet the Green, on T:83779 (1 day, 5:42:38)
13:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Neferet the Green, on T:83780 (1 day, 5:42:59)
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13:27 <rld> <@malorpower> I thought magic markers could not drop?  Are there one or more guaranteed markers?
13:28 <krm26> 1 guaranteed
13:28 <krm26> possible in hesperides box, vlad box, goblin king box (all 10% i think?)
13:28 <krm26> but you always get one on the final altar before lucifer
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13:29 <xdminsy> Yes, I think it used to be effective in doing woolly rain, but now maybe for other use.
13:30 <xdminsy> I like to write charging, I found 10 scrolls of charging didn't support my wizards safely clear the astral plane.
13:30 <krm26> thats a lot of casting! i confess my endgame wizards spend a lot of time bludgeoning things to death
13:30 <mobileuser> sometimes I like to write magic mapping on the plane of water
13:31 <krm26> ?
13:31 <mobileuser> feels better to know how close I am to the magic portal
13:31 <tinklebear> xdminsy: this 06-29 game is remarkable! https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xdminsy/evilhack/dumplog/1719589521.evil.txt
13:31 <xdminsy> That's not bad.
13:31 <xdminsy> And I think you can just enter the water in evilhack with magical breathing and hesperides?
13:32 <xdminsy> Heh thanks tinklebear, that's not hard as mrless though :P.
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13:33 <mobileuser> works better if you can swim too
13:33 <xdminsy> I see, do monks often just swim to that bubble?
13:33 <mobileuser> tortles
13:33 <krm26> or you can bring sea dragon scales
13:34 <mobileuser> scaled armor only I think?
13:34 <xdminsy> Ei monks cannot swim, I misremembered.
13:34 <xdminsy> Okay.
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13:36 <krm26> ugh 3 close calls with my super vorpal shamblers so far
13:36 <tinklebear> does the "super" part mean they have multiple vorpal attacks per move?
13:38 <krm26> i will hopefully never know -- all their random powers rolled vorpal
13:38 <xdminsy> Isn't that wizards can simply finger of death all shamblers?
13:38 <krm26> so i will never be adjacent to one if i can help it
13:38 <krm26> hah, i dont have finger of death
13:38 <krm26> and of course that can miss
13:38 <xdminsy> Okay I see, I like to crown early a wizard..
13:39 <tinklebear> heh, good luck, krm26
13:39 <krm26> i crowned, havent read the spellbook yet due to my extreme slowness. i'll read it when i clear the valley
13:39 <terrapin> it's really bizarre that wizards use such an archaic aiming system when you think about it
13:39 <terrapin> the laser pointer of death would be much more efficacious
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13:40 * tinklebear currently has a nearly harmless shambling horror
13:41 <krm26> still pushing for giving horrors an extra ability every time one is killed!
13:42 <tinklebear> I like that idea, and I won't stop telling people
13:42 <xdminsy> I guess wizards don't mind that.
13:43 <xdminsy> That's sounds like buffing wizards.
13:43 <tinklebear> wizards have an advantage vs shambling horrors, xdminsy?
13:44 <xdminsy> I think finger of death can simply kill every shambling horror?
13:45 <tinklebear> are they never resistant to death magic?
13:45 <xdminsy> I guess simply force bolt could deal with them.
13:45 <tinklebear> sometimes their AC is pretty crazy...
13:45 <krm26> i mean, finger of death can simply kill a lot of stuff
13:45 <xdminsy> Maybe sometimes, but I guess I usually get other attack spell.
13:45 <tinklebear> spells are pretty great, it's true
13:46 <xdminsy> Actually I don't see any monsters can be dangerous for wizards, maybe alhoon?
13:46 <xdminsy> Forgetting spells could be a bit problematic.
13:47 <krm26> spells only help when you have mana
13:47 <mobileuser> I'm pretty sure a shambler can sometimes have natural MR in a game
13:47 <xdminsy> Yes, in that case I guess I need fireball or cone of cold.
13:48 <xdminsy> The illithids player monsters or high priests on astral plane could be a threat too maybe.
13:48 <tinklebear> fire-resistant and reflective horror
13:48 <krm26> thats kinda like saying nothing is dangerous because your wielding the sword of annihilation :-)  i think it is too reductive
13:49 <xdminsy> Will the AOE version be reflected?
13:49 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, I guess no?
13:49 <krm26> aoe penetrates reflection
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13:50 <xdminsy> krm26 I guess the sword of annihilation makes me too much pain.
13:50 <krm26> kinda fun when it one-shots something awful...lucifer, etc
13:50 <xdminsy> It can still be disarmed and make the situation even worse, and still not able to hit those passive awful.
13:52 <xdminsy> That's not bad, it's effective killing those won't be danger for SoA :D
13:53 <xdminsy> krm26 mainly casting the force bolt is usually full mana all the time when it cost only 1 power, I'm not sure about now 3 power, but even if a wizard run out of power, I guess simply levelport to goblin town and restore to full mana is always doable.
13:54 <xdminsy> Until the final run.
13:54 <xdminsy> Only the final run could be a bit dangerous I guess.
13:54 <tinklebear> xdminsy loves goblin town :D
13:54 <xdminsy> Yes, the monsters restriction there just make it always a safe place.
13:55 <tinklebear> lol
13:55 <xdminsy> I guess even if you obtain the amulet of yendor, there are still only goblins and kobolds?
13:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had a staff of healing entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:85220 (1 day, 6:11:59)
13:58 <tinklebear> I'm not sure, xdminsy. I do see mostly 'o' there, for sure
13:59 <tinklebear> and you would know better than I do
14:00 <tinklebear> I don't like goblin town, because it stands in the way of my favorite thing
14:00 <tinklebear> a quick death in the mines
14:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3455 (1:29:22)
14:00 <krm26> amateur, tinklebear! i can die in the top level of the mines!
14:01 <tinklebear> XD
14:03 <xdminsy> ;D
14:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Inf Ith Mal Una), 384 points, T:938, killed by a hobbit pickpocket
14:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 12036 points, T:8751, petrified by a chickatrice
14:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by a large spider), on T:1611 (0:10:54)
14:23 <krm26> nooooo
14:23 <krm26> pet elder minotaur found a poly trap
14:24 <krm26> rzsrzrh
14:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2819 points, T:5423, killed by a jaguar
14:48 <mobileuser> pet newt
14:49 <mobileuser> elder minotaurs are not intelligent, so they won't use a unicorn horn. disaster waiting to happen.
14:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 913 points, T:3675, killed by a large spider
14:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Lucifer, on T:75464 (3 days, 11:29:15)
14:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 670 points, T:1548, killed by a hobgoblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze
14:57 <krm26> true, but they end up at what, level 39 or something? just brutal
15:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 969 points, T:1713, killed by a gas spore's explosion
15:20 <xdminsy> They can't even use a unicorn horn? So silly.
15:21 <xdminsy> @e?elder minotaur
15:21 <Hecubus> elder minotaur (H) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 14 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 25 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -8 | Atk: 6d6 claw physical, 6d6 claw physical, 6d4 hug physical, 8d4 butt knockback | Align: -4 | genocidable, carnivore, thick hide, stalker, infravis
15:23 <mobileuser> they are considered to be animals
15:26 <mobileuser> hey, no livelog when a pet kills a bones ghost
15:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Purgatory, on T:75505 (3 days, 11:53:48)
15:32 <krm26> FIREBALL
15:32 <krm26> now we're cooking with gas
15:33 <mobileuser> \o/
15:33 <mobileuser> cooking with charcoal
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15:35 <tinklebear> ki-rin bane
15:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:89664 (1 day, 7:42:26)
15:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:89862 (1 day, 7:44:21)
15:42 <krm26> never done tal'gath as a wizard...presumably he reflects himself up to give me a hard time
15:43 <tinklebear> Magistra is a wizard?
15:43 <tinklebear> oh, healer
15:44 <krm26> hah, for a second i was like, why is he asking about my old latin instructor?
15:44 <tinklebear> the cagey wizard does not teach. black hole of knowledge
15:49 <rld> <@malorpower> what are shambling horrors?  And how do you know what random abilities they might have?
15:50 <tinklebear> once you have killed one, then '/?shambling horror' tells you about what you just killed
15:50 <tinklebear> but you have to kill one first, afaik
15:50 <krm26> yeah
15:53 <rld> <@malorpower> vorpal blade makes you immue to vorpal attacks right?  Or am I wrong on that?
15:53 <krm26> when wielded, yes
15:53 <rld> <@malorpower> And does that work if it is in your LEFT hand also?  Or do you have to have it in your RIGHT hand to make that work?
15:53 <krm26> either hand
15:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:90335 (1 day, 7:59:30)
15:55 <rld> <@malorpower> cool.
15:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (beholders), on T:90380 (1 day, 8:00:05)
15:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof leather drum", on T:75587 (3 days, 12:24:42)
15:59 <mobileuser> :O
16:00 <krm26> weird wish
16:00 <krm26> isnt an uncharged drum of earthquake better?
16:00 <mobileuser> or simply a tooled horn
16:00 <tinklebear> any other suggestions for inducing deafness?
16:00 <mobileuser> ah
16:01 <tinklebear> :D
16:01 <mobileuser> yes I have
16:01 <krm26> range on drum better tan tooled horn tho, right?
16:02 <mobileuser> not deafness, but a certain hat protects against sound attacks
16:02 <mobileuser> thingy
16:02 <krm26> ah, if you actively want to be deaf, then yeah need the leather, not the earthquake
16:02 <krm26> wut? he didnt make the toque do that, did he?
16:02 <tinklebear> nudist
16:03 <mobileuser> of course!
16:03 <krm26> damn how did i never know that
16:03 <mobileuser> toque?
16:03 <krm26> oilskin cloth toque coming up
16:04 <mobileuser> my head is quite fuzzy, stayed up all night to watch the UK elections
16:06 <mobileuser> ah yes, that is why I often wish for toque
16:09 <krm26> nobody ever told me :-(
16:09 <rld> <@loggers_viii> why do you want to be deaf tinklebear?
16:09 <krm26> to avoid celestial dragon stun, nazgul stun
16:11 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I guess. doesn’t seem worth a wish
16:12 <krm26> shimmering dragon breath too
16:12 <tinklebear> yeah, it was for celestial dragons
16:12 <krm26> stun is just another thing to guard against, like green slime...one more thing off the table you dont have to worry about
16:12 <tinklebear> saved myself a lot of hassle
16:13 <krm26> im definitely gonna be toquing this ascension now that i know about the hat...
16:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a helmet entrusted to her by Odin, on T:69808 (12:13:21)
16:14 <tinklebear> ("myself" == the 13 HP succubus that killed the High Priest, Lucifer, and somehow made it back to the castle)
16:14 <rld> <@loggers_viii> unless you have really low HP the yells aren’t very threatening, unihorns take care of stun pretty well
16:14 <tinklebear> 13 HP
16:14 <rld> <@loggers_viii> ah. I forgot that you are insane and ridiculous
16:15 <rld> <@loggers_viii> those yells could oneshot you :P
16:15 <tinklebear> (also, I try to avoid applying unihorns)
16:16 <rld> <@loggers_viii> why, for honor?
16:16 <rld> <@loggers_viii> or cuz it wastes time
16:17 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I think avoiding needing to apply unihorns as much as possible is optimal play because they are rng-reliant
16:17 <tinklebear> the main reason is aesthetic. (did I spell that right?)
16:17 <tinklebear> my main reason anyways
16:17 <tinklebear> they do too much
16:18 <tinklebear> i think it's more interesting to allocate specific resources for specific troubles
16:19 <tinklebear> I'm not above using them to save a game from zombification, though
16:19 <tinklebear> if I've only got like 0-3 eucalyptus leaves or something
16:20 <tinklebear> also, some of the status effects are kind of interesting to just let happen, and play through
16:20 <tinklebear> but stunning, that's a tough one
16:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:70813 (12:20:59)
16:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:6015 (1:40:12)
16:25 <malor> Is Ogresmasher a good weapon for me at all?  25 Constitution does give me a few 175 extra carry cap :)
16:26 <xdminsy> Heh 1d4 damage weapon.
16:27 <xdminsy> You can forge Ashmar by Ogresmasher + Trollsbane.
16:27 <xdminsy> If you want that fancy shield.
16:29 <malor> I don't think i have trollsbane yet
16:31 <xdminsy> Sad.
16:31 <xdminsy> Have you done the quest?
16:32 <xdminsy> Gjallar is very awesome artifact though it no longer has hafl spell damage.
16:32 <malor> no.  Not yet.
16:32 <malor> Gjallar?
16:32 <xdminsy> Yes you don't have the orb of weight.
16:32 <malor> ah, no orb of fate
16:33 <malor> so other than no half spell it sounds like it is a lot more useful and also not heavy.
16:33 <malor> it still gives half physical though, right?
16:34 <mobileuser> yes
16:34 <malor> cool
16:34 <xdminsy> Yes, and you can apply Gjallar to wake up all bosses.
16:34 <mobileuser> and it will wake up any monster, including Vecna
16:34 <mobileuser> jinx
16:35 <xdminsy> That's very convenient.
16:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a helmet entrusted to her by Odin, on T:71919 (12:30:10)
16:35 <mobileuser> a dragonhide sack, fancy stuff you had Uffo the Exhumer
16:39 <mobileuser> ...and allowed me to replace my steel gauntlets with leather gloves just as my first shocking sphere appears, convenient
16:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:72790 (12:37:19)
16:44 <malor> Tempest (Cleaver + Mjollnir) seems pretty good other than it being 2 handed.  Is it two-handed for a Centaur also?
16:45 <mobileuser> yes
16:45 <mobileuser> only giants can wield it 1-handed
16:46 <mobileuser> giant val is fun too, but takes some getting used to when it comes to limited armor choices
16:50 <rld> <@malorpower> I am not going with a 2 hander, so that’s too bad.  I will keep sacrificing when I return.  Going to despicable me now 🙂
16:53 <mobileuser> at some point you can wish for dragonhide bracers, those still allow you to 2-weapon and hold 2-handed weapons
16:54 <mobileuser> (bracer to replace a regular shield I mean)
16:55 <mobileuser> unfortunately I already ascended all the centaurs before Tempest was created...
16:55 <rld> <@malorpower> The dragon hide bracers take up the shield spot but allow me to use big weapons 1 handed?  That sounds amazing.
16:56 <rld> <@malorpower> Or did I misread that.
16:56 <mobileuser> you misread, but I thought the same when I reread my message :-P
16:56 <rld> <@malorpower> Please rephrase then 🙂
16:56 <mobileuser> that's why I added "bracers to replace a regular shield I mean"
16:57 <mobileuser> wearing a shield means you can't wield a 2-handed weapon right?
16:57 <mobileuser> but bracers function as shield and keep your hands free
16:58 <mobileuser> in case that was the reason you discarded Tempest
16:58 <tinklebear> "allow you to 2-weapon OR hold two-handed weapons"
16:58 <tinklebear> swap out "and", replace with "or"
16:58 <mobileuser> yup
16:59 <tinklebear> Motto of New New Hampshire: "Live Free and Die"
16:59 <mobileuser> lol
17:00 <mobileuser> in my defence, it allows both, just not at the same time
17:00 <rld> <@malorpower> Ok got it.  I think based on looking at the options that I want to use Vorpal Blade and another weapon.
17:00 <rld> <@malorpower> I have a mithral lance currently which is my current expected choice since I like being able to hit my enemy early and then still hit well in melee also.
17:00 <rld> <@malorpower> But if I can get Sword of Anihliation I will change to that since it seems to be so good.
17:01 <mobileuser> well, my philosophy is: you don't have to rely on 1 or 2 weapons, I like to bristle with a whole range that I can use in specific situations
17:01 <rld> <@malorpower> I am planning to altar sac again until I get dragonbane and then I will be ready to take on the quest and then Medusa and then the castle.
17:01 <rld> <@malorpower> That’s my theory
17:02 <mobileuser> solid plan
17:03 <mobileuser> getting dragonbane could take a very long time, but it's a good plan
17:04 <rld> <@malorpower> I am fine taking time since I haven’t ever come close to beating Evilhack.  And the frequency of gifts is pretty good and the list is finite 🙂
17:05 <mobileuser> the list of useless gifts is infinite though ;-)
17:05 <mobileuser> assuming you are still relatively low level
17:05 <rld> <@malorpower> L14
17:06 <rld> <@malorpower> So it is roughly 50/50 artifact I think?  Or is that not how the math works?
17:07 <mobileuser> I don't know the chances by heart, but 14 sounds ok
17:10 <rld> <@malorpower> One other item I need is the crystal plate mail - how does poly piling for that work?  I assume that each armor piece has a super tiny chance of becoming crystal plate mail.  Is that correct?
17:10 <rld> <@malorpower> If it is I had planned to use all these blessed armor gifts as poly pile fuel 🙂
17:10 <rld> <@malorpower> So far I haven’t found any dilutium crystals or I would make one 🙂
17:10 <xdminsy> I usually polypile armors in vanilla, but in evilhack usually player monsters will give you enough magical armors.
17:11 <mobileuser> like krm26 said, a huge armor pile at Ludios has a reasonable chance to create one
17:11 <xdminsy> Usually no need to find crystal plate mail I guess, usualy mithril banded mail or dark eleven tunic is enough.
17:11 <mobileuser> dark eleven tunic
17:11 <rld> <@malorpower> I already have at least 1,000 pieces of armor sitting around the altar from all this altar piling 🙂
17:11 <rld> <@malorpower> So I figured I would use that, right?
17:12 <mobileuser> dark eleven tunic has some of the same advantages malor
17:12 <xdminsy> Okay, you could try polypiling, I guess you may get one if lucky.
17:12 <mobileuser> it's flexible and gives MC2
17:12 <mobileuser> * elven lol
17:12 <xdminsy> Yes the main advantage is it weighs only 10.
17:13 <xdminsy> lol right.
17:13 <mobileuser> I think mithril is worse if you have high dex?
17:13 <rld> <@loggers_viii> chance of gift at 14 is not 50/50 I think. the chance increases weirdly
17:14 <xdminsy> mobileuser what does it mean?
17:15 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, usually I wear mithril armor, when I want to fuse my only gray scales I may want to find one crystal plate mail.
17:15 <mobileuser> well you get an AC bonus if you have high dexterity, but not if you wear rigid armor
17:15 <mobileuser> (crystal plate mail counts as flexible)
17:16 <xdminsy> I see, today I learn :P.
17:16 <mobileuser> then again, once your AC is good enough...
17:20 <rld> <@malorpower> I seem to recall seeing a dark Elvin tunic.
17:23 <rld> <@malorpower> I will check through the mountains of armor around here.  If there is a dark Elvin tunic I will just use that.
17:23 <rld> <@malorpower> Is that automatically foo proof also?
17:24 <mobileuser> no, but that's less important if you were a cloak
17:24 <mobileuser> * wear
17:27 <rld> <@malorpower> I am half hoping I have to figure out how to get crystal plate mail 🙂
17:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1304 (0:17:22)
17:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2242 points, T:2807, killed by an Uruk-hai
18:08 <tinklebear> it's fun to forge stuff. I hope you find those star trek jewels, malor
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18:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 2361 points, T:3217, killed by a spear trap
18:50 <terrapin> mithril and adamantine allow for dex AC bonuses
18:50 <terrapin> bone is the one you gotta be careful with if you have high dex
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19:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof marker", on T:76674 (3 days, 15:26:54)
19:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 473 points, T:1520, killed by an invisible gnome lady, while frozen by a potion
19:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:76700 (3 days, 15:35:57)
19:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:76702 (3 days, 15:38:07)
19:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:55349 (9:27:22)
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20:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:76935 (3 days, 16:35:06)
20:09 <rld> <@malorpower> I did have a dark elvin tunic that I found already.
20:18 <rld> <@malorpower> does 1 blessed potion of restore ability restore ALL my lost levels if I lose some?
20:19 <xdminsy> Yes.
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20:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:57524 (10:10:41)
20:23 <xdminsy> Grats tinklebear.
20:24 <rld> <@malorpower> thanks xdminsy
20:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 6125011 points, T:76956, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1719594462.evil.html
20:25 <xdminsy> malor the dark elven tunic provides 3 AC I think? We often use it when we have enough AC provided by other armors or fuse scales into it.
20:25 <xdminsy> It's main advantage is it's so lightweight and affect little in spellcasting.
20:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7460 (3:20:40)
20:26 <xdminsy> I think you have done loads of conducts this game.
20:27 <tinklebear> thanks, xdminsy. I'm stuck between thinking "That was easy" and "Holy shit, I actually did it"
20:27 <tinklebear> :D
20:27 <xdminsy> That's very impressive great work :D.
20:27 <tinklebear> \o/
20:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:7493 (3:22:13)
20:27 <xdminsy> I have no idea how to do mrless.
20:28 <tinklebear> what are the problems of no MR?
20:28 <xdminsy> I don't know actually.
20:29 <tinklebear> assuming no reflection also, you have death rays, touch of death, polytraps
20:29 <tinklebear> poly wand zapped at you...
20:29 <tinklebear> maybe I'm forgetting some things
20:30 <tinklebear> but they all have other solutions, besides MR, I think
20:30 <tinklebear> some of them are "Don't step on the poly trap"
20:30 <tinklebear> like that.
20:30 <xdminsy> I wonder is there pitfall that polymorph into a succubus and unchanging?
20:31 <tinklebear> unchanging is very dangerous!
20:31 <xdminsy> I see you always polymorph into a 20 hp succbus in need.
20:31 <tinklebear> but sometimes you really want not to un-poly (over lava while riding valuable warhorse or something)
20:31 <xdminsy> Emmm what are the dangers?
20:32 <tinklebear> ah, yeah, I really like succubus form
20:32 <tinklebear> well, the dangers of unchanging --when you are in polyform-- is that if you die then the game is over
20:32 <xdminsy> I see imanity or mobileuser they ascended a lot of in forms of mmf or alhoon in the past.
20:32 <tinklebear> cool
20:33 <xdminsy> I know, so nurse dance I think 300 hp succbus is great?
20:33 <tinklebear> succubus can do nearly everything my natural form human knight can do
20:34 <rld> <@malorpower> gg tinklebear!
20:34 <tinklebear> I did notice, though: succubus have low hit dice, and this lowers to-hit significantly
20:34 <tinklebear> thanks, malor!
20:35 <tinklebear> vampire forms and demon forms are not harmed by death rays or touch of death
20:35 <xdminsy> That's very cool 10 conducts game.
20:35 <xdminsy> I think the mrless and nudist are very hard in evilhack.
20:35 <tinklebear> the combination of certain conducts sort of multiplies their difficulty, I find
20:36 <xdminsy> Yes indeed.
20:36 <tinklebear> but the solutions are there
20:36 <xdminsy> How do you do the astral plane as nudist?
20:36 <tinklebear> teleport wand, jousting, magic missile at high level
20:36 <xdminsy> I have no idea, I often need plentiful AC.
20:37 <tinklebear> also, I rode a fast warhorse
20:37 <xdminsy> Oh I see, knight could do double magic missile damage.
20:37 <tinklebear> only with the magic mirror of merlin, I think
20:37 <tinklebear> I did not use that. it gives reflection, which I wanted to avoid
20:38 <xdminsy> Okay I see.
20:38 <tinklebear> but anyone with high XP level can cast a vicious magic missile
20:38 <tinklebear> afaik
20:38 <xdminsy> Maybe I waste too many mana at casting acid blast.
20:38 <tinklebear> the speed you get from riding a fast warhorse is ... pretty amazing
20:38 <xdminsy> I don't know which monsters on astral plane resist magic missile.
20:39 <tinklebear> I expect that the ones that have magic missile attacks are immune
20:40 <tinklebear> and that the ones with player-style MR are largely unaffected, but somewhat hurt
20:40 <tinklebear> and then there's reflection, which I imagine works about as well as it does for the player
20:40 <tinklebear> but really, I only used magic missile to soften up Death a little
20:41 <tinklebear> (on astral)
20:41 <tinklebear> elsewhere it was very useful
20:41 <xdminsy> Okay I see.
20:42 <tinklebear> with warhorse speed, you can barely get hit at all
20:43 <xdminsy> Your warhorse has plentiful health right?
20:43 <tinklebear> (because the monsters are either dead or long behind you by the time they get a move)
20:43 <xdminsy> Or you summoned on on astral?
20:43 <tinklebear> yeah, the warhorse had like 220 max HP
20:43 <xdminsy> Heh i see that's hard work too.
20:44 <tinklebear> well, it's spread out over time. but yeah, you need to keep the same horse around for quite a while, to get that
20:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:58901 (10:41:34)
20:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:11057 (4:08:32)
20:57 <rld> <@malorpower> wait a second that was only your 2nd ascension?
21:01 <tinklebear> in evilhack, yeah
21:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:59252 (10:51:57)
21:04 <krm26> grats tinklebear, just saw!
21:05 <tinklebear> thanks, krm26! :D
21:05 <krm26> 94 max hp, that is insane
21:06 <tinklebear> that's just the polyform. the knight had 233 max HP, I think
21:06 <krm26> oooh, nude vampire
21:06 <tinklebear> but yeah, I cleared Lucifer and purgatory with a 13 max HP succubus, which was pretty wild
21:07 <krm26> did you never get hesperides, or blow it up?
21:07 <tinklebear> I didn't go down that path
21:07 <tinklebear> stick to the point, I told myself. so I ddi
21:07 <tinklebear> *did
21:07 <krm26> i dont have that much willpower, kudos
21:07 <tinklebear> lol
21:09 <tinklebear> also, for me, hesperides is tied to taking responsibility for pegasus...
21:10 <tinklebear> ...so unless I need pegasus (and I did, the previous ascension), I forgo Hesperides
21:10 <tinklebear> she's very safe in that enclosure
21:11 <krm26> pegasi are great mounts but death magnets
21:11 <tinklebear> I had enough trouble keeping my speed 12 mastodon out of trouble
21:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:91399 (1 day, 8:31:48)
21:18 <tinklebear> heh, she was invisible. could have named her Miss Snuffalupagous or something
21:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:60393 (11:08:30)
21:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:60723 (11:14:45)
21:28 <xdminsy> Charon has a wand of opening, I find I'm fond of killing Charon every game now.
21:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:60754 (11:16:17)
21:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] malor (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a large shield entrusted to her by Odin, on T:79212 (13:34:30)
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21:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:60795 (11:18:31)
21:41 <krm26> i wish meat eating pets were smart enough to eat wraiths when you threw them
21:41 <tinklebear> I think if they are starving, they will
21:42 <tinklebear> but otherwise, they're like, "higher level == more work for me. No Thank You"
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21:51 <tinklebear> maybe it would work also if they were just hungry, but I don't know
21:51 <tinklebear> it is difficult to restrict a carnivore's diet
21:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:93323 (1 day, 9:09:49)
21:55 <k3ut0i> \o/ tinklebear ascended. That is awesome. athe,nude,mrless damn!
21:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) used a forge to create The Staff of the Archmagi, on T:93417 (1 day, 9:11:31)
22:01 <tinklebear> thanks, k3ut0i!
22:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:63455 (12:04:06)
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22:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven cloak entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:65320 (12:17:21)
22:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1575 (0:17:16)
22:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3770 (0:35:06)
23:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:67870 (12:57:15)
23:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:70115 (13:15:25)
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23:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:71384 (13:27:16)