00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a steel stiletto entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:3749 (0:36:07) 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) destroyed splungetoo's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4629 (0:48:02) 00:23 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 00:29 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible bleeko's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:15989 (2:51:28) 00:57 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 01:04 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:6353 (1:38:29) 01:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of water walking boots entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:43600 (14:49:26) 01:12 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 01:22 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:44499 (15:08:29) 01:28 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 01:40 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:42 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 01:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:45295 (15:27:00) 01:46 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 01:52 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9347 (2:26:58) 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:37104 (11:11:12) 01:58 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven spear entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:9959 (2:32:20) 02:07 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:10263 (2:41:52) 02:16 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven helm entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:10970 (2:50:57) 02:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:46215 (16:04:13) 02:22 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) made his first wish - "the blessed idol of moloch", on T:11209 (2:56:30) 02:22 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 02:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a shield of mobility entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:46882 (16:15:23) 02:33 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) had a wooden axe entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:58914 (20:42:33) 03:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:43948 (12:21:01) 04:07 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:45097 (12:34:54) 04:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible karibou's ghost, the former Magician, on T:45901 (12:49:26) 04:31 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonbane", on T:62017 (22:03:52) 04:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:62098 (22:04:36) 04:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a copper knife entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:49020 (16:47:36) 04:54 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:01 I thought teleporting was allowed on a demon boss level once the boss is defeated 05:03 The weird thing is, I get "Sorry... You materialize in a different location!" 05:04 but I did magic mapping and monster detection, and the target square looks available (I tried 2 different squares) 05:12 Seems I have encountered the same yesterday. 05:13 Or maybe like you teleport into the room of vanilla asmodeus level? 05:15 Can you teleport to the square next to you? 05:16 I tried to teleport into the "room" so to say, first the stairs and then a square next to the squares 05:18 I didn't try to teleport next to me. I thought about it for "science" but I didn't want to waste more energy 05:18 still haven't found a teleport wand, I'm using the spell 05:19 I think the spell teleport away is awesome, I have only 1 wand of teleport last game and didn't know the spell. 05:20 Last game I wear ring of teleportation to teleport at will, but as a illithid I didn't carry too many food I sometimes just eat dragons which I think really cost turns. 05:21 !whereis mobileuser 05:22 xdminsy: mobileuser is not playing. 05:22 !who 05:22 xdminsy: [hdf-us] Unguarded1765 [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players :: [hdf-eu] No current players 05:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:50249 (17:20:22) 05:29 !whereis mobileuser 05:29 mobileuser: [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil]: (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) T:44530 Gehennom level: 36 05:41 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:42 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 05:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful cauchemar, on T:50583 (17:48:10) 05:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:63380 (23:07:15) 05:58 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44998 (1 day, 8:33:08) 06:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44999 (1 day, 8:33:13) 06:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful lesser nightmare, on T:51025 (18:03:31) 06:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:63901 (23:29:09) 06:32 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:34 Fix: prevent the Amulet of Yendor from being teleported whilst in the Sanctum 06:34 wait- so this DOESN'T happen anymore? 06:38 damn my first shambling horror at 91k turns... so no idea what i'm getting into 06:38 that's right. only in the sanctum. 06:38 Seems to prevent it get teleported to the west unreachable spot. 06:38 yeah, that would make the game unwinnable 06:39 While simply just disable it teleport means you can always safely drop the amulet of yendor to cast spells to kill Lucifer. 06:39 ahh 06:39 i think that's the only place I've dropped it and had it teleport (on t hat altar with the rest of my stuff) 06:39 and it is fucking scary 06:39 and then an NPC picks it up 06:39 Lol yes, my amulet got teleported yesterday too, too scary. 06:40 Seems one can check shambling horror stats after kill it once. 06:40 have you ever had rodney steal the amulet, xdminsy? In evil or vanilla? 06:40 THAT'S when the game gets fun 06:40 Seems no. 06:40 yeah i can check the stats now that i killed itg 06:40 it 06:40 The rodney seems almost never steal something from me. 06:41 Maybe once PYEC got stolen I remember. 06:41 What happens if rodney steal the amulet? 06:41 Will he teleport to other level? 06:41 yeah 06:42 and that's the origin of the fake one... If you don't type name the real one, you won't know the difference 06:42 That's too annoying. 06:42 and he casts double trouble and now there are two 06:42 it gets bad really quick ;) 06:42 no it's fun! :) 06:43 Usually I could kill rodney very quickly in vanilla when I don't have wand of death. 06:43 but yeah... My verst first 3.6 ascension, he stole PYEC from me (3.6 was the first time he would still an artifact that wasn't your own.. weird in evil it's the opposite these days) 06:43 I tend to maximize my weapon by +7 Grayswandir + +7 silver saber, and spend a potion of paralysis on him. 06:43 and I was using PYEC for MR 06:44 he won't teleport to another level if he steals the amulet xdminsy 06:44 so now, not only did i not have magic resistance but HE did by carrying pyec (so death wand no worky) 06:44 really? 06:44 Yes, when I learn that rodney may steal artifacts then I never trust artifact MR source. 06:45 no he just keeps trying to kill you 06:45 That's why all my 3.7 games wear comr :P 06:45 well he won't steal your OWN artifact in evil now 06:45 which is huge 06:45 hi xdminsy 06:45 Loveaabb: Message from Umbire at 2024-06-29 17:42 EDT: I forgot to mention - the NetHack wiki has a bunch of Chinese articles in the works as well! 06:45 at least i believe that's how it is 06:45 morning Loveaabb :3 06:45 Hecubus: wow cool! 06:46 but like in 3.43, people who weren't wizards could wish for eota or pyec etc. and use as a MR source 06:46 that all changed with 3.6 06:46 So a tourist can rely on the PYEC in evilhack? 06:46 I wished for the p'hul this time, he will try to steal that! 06:46 xdminsy yes 06:46 i think so if it's your role's? 06:46 yeah i love the change personally 06:46 and a monk can rely on the eyes 06:46 yes :) 06:47 that's exclusive to evilhack have i blieve though? I don' 06:47 t play vanilla much 06:47 I think K2 got that from another variant... 06:47 That's great, I now know why you guys like monk. 06:47 heh 06:47 well no that's new 06:48 and that's why i'm trying to clarify it's not that way in vanilla 06:48 UnNetHack 06:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a knife entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:53141 (18:42:33) 06:49 i didn't mean "exclusive" like trying to give him credit. Just meant it is by no means standard 06:49 This way The Eyes supersedes the gray scales I see, monks can reliably to choose robe and another scales I guess. 06:49 and evil was never like that until very recently (so it's not why i play monk lol) 06:51 That's makes quest artifact MR more useful than before. 06:51 While my first version is 3.7 so that's totally a buff for me :P 06:51 :3 06:52 Then this change makes those roles with MR artifact more overpowered. 06:54 yeah defiinitely 06:54 not gonna argue with that lol 06:55 I can wear a robe now or alchemy smock during end game 06:55 or a different amulet (liky flying or lifesaviing etc.) 06:55 although a lot of times, I'd just take my chances and rely on the eyes (esp. in vanilla) 06:56 but it does suck when he steals 06:57 Yes, that would be bad. 06:57 and I could have sworn i've had rodney steal the AOY and leave the level, but maybe I'm wrong.. It's more likely that I've killed him, and then moved along not realizing he had stolen it \ 06:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:45375 (1 day, 8:53:06) 07:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:64715 (1 day, 0:13:35) 07:02 I see that metal bracers can be forged, so a mithril bracers are able to get in many games I guess. 07:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) killed Tal'Gath, on T:64843 (1 day, 0:15:53) 07:02 Or if someone want to save a wish, maybe one can collect metal small shields or mithril helmet to check their oprop. 07:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:64896 (1 day, 0:16:40) 07:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) genocided beholders, on T:64901 (1 day, 0:17:13) 07:04 -!- Loveaabb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11 just not very nice for spellcasters, but great for melee types 07:12 I have no idea what just summoned Yeenoghu, but welcome to the party i guess? 07:14 I think any spellcasters that summon nasties may summon Yeenoghu. 07:14 Well in vanilla it is, not sure if it is the case in evilhack. 07:14 yeah. something had summoned nasties and one of those summoned 07:14 so just not sure 07:15 i love how they follow you now, like i dug down thinking i was being smart 07:15 although it did allow me to get to the upstair of the level below 07:16 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:90892 (1 day, 4:29:27) 07:16 They've always followed you when digging 07:16 yeah? 07:16 since hack 1.0? 07:16 rogue? 07:16 they weren't next to me 07:17 That's different then 07:22 Will vanilla amulet of yendor teleports when it dropped on the ground? 07:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1416 points, T:1572, poisoned by an orcish arrow 07:25 Nope, that is an EvilHack addition 07:25 -!- Loveaabb has joined #evilhack 07:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:45620 (1 day, 9:09:41) 07:31 'lo Loveaabb 07:35 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided gray dragons, on T:91189 (1 day, 4:49:06) 07:49 hi Umbire 07:49 :3 07:49 How's you 07:49 what are the levels for vlad again? 07:50 not bad 07:50 :D 07:54 same as vanilla rebatela, so between the 9th and 13th levels of Gehennom 07:54 awesome thank you :)\ 07:56 rogue doesn't count for "they've always ..." since hack isn't a derivative of rogue 07:56 but yeah... earlier what I meant was if you leave the level at ALL the purple & seems to folllow so the days of pushing them away a space so you can cursed GL etc. are over 07:56 noisytoot: oh neat! 08:00 it was a joke... My point was that they don't have to be next to you to follow. I dunno if that's a vanilla thing now or not. Maybe it's been like that for a while. I'm sure i'll be corrected about some semantics 08:00 It's certainly not like that in vanilla 3.6 (I don't know about 3.7) 08:00 Umbire: correction. the amulet porting is a UnNetHack addition 08:01 I think you should make it still teleport in the sanctum so that everyone else can have that "OH FUCK" moment the rest of us have had 08:02 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/b550ba0289bf7ce697cf96586cf7bb9105e675ed 08:02 and then it's such a releif when you get it back! 08:04 oh no i lost a titan.. wtf 08:04 i hope it's not in lava somewhere lol 08:05 found her! :: phew :: 08:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:13199 (5:06:08) 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful nightmare, on T:92144 (1 day, 5:35:21) 08:26 that'll teach him not to be spoutin' off... 08:26 do your chores next time! 08:26 You don't see the Titans or the Vampire mage complaining! 08:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:65288 (1 day, 1:02:37) 08:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:65297 (1 day, 1:02:58) 08:40 You hear a lot of loud clanging sounds! 08:40 lol 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:93256 (1 day, 5:55:14) 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:93258 (1 day, 5:55:23) 08:47 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:11778 (3:10:07) 08:51 I have trouble sometimes getting titans to use the weapons i want, but they LOVE to grab cockatrice/basilisk corpses! 08:52 wish i had an endless supply of them.. They fly, so it's not like i have to worry about pits 08:52 (just don't want one to go feral) 08:54 'tame invisible titan called Althea, wearing heavy armor, wielding a corpse 08:58 mobileuser seems the entrance of vlad's tower isn't between 9th and 13th. 08:59 https://ibb.co/kgtcFDN 08:59 i found it 08:59 (obviously lol) 08:59 :3 08:59 This is my human wizard game, the votd is 28th while the entrance of vlad's tower is at 35th. 09:00 Weird because I forget to defeat Vlad that game and after finding the vib I teleport to 36th level and seek downward. 09:00 Then I see no vlad's entrace than find it located at 35th. 09:00 i forget about vlad often 09:00 poor fella... everyone forgets about him 09:01 So in that game my vlad's entrace is at the 8th level of gehennom. 09:03 lemme check the wiki again 09:03 "counting the Valley of the Dead as 1" 09:03 does that work out? 09:04 Yes, the votd is level 28, counting it as 1, so 9th should be level 36. 09:05 yes you are right 09:05 so it looks like something changed when K2 made gehennom shorter 09:06 question for K2 :-) 09:07 I think so :P 09:08 yeah vlad is 8--12 levels in now 09:09 changed with the wizard tower revamp: https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/3a3cd5ad7103c5282cd64f7ec389ed063b2fe7bc#diff-315e5a8d094a2d5e9bc363819173b0fd2be33374d625292de41bdddddbcef8c9 09:09 pinning that for later 09:09 ab terrapin and mobileuser 09:09 ab ab. 09:10 ab Umbire! 09:10 thx terrapin 09:10 ab! 09:10 ab xdminsy 09:10 ab Umbire. 09:11 meow 09:11 =w= 09:12 meow 09:13 * Loveaabb purrs to Umbire 09:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class R, on T:66321 (1 day, 1:40:16) 09:15 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 09:18 ab malor 09:19 hello 09:19 Hello malor, Welcome to #evilhack 09:20 Aloha malor 09:20 :P 09:21 hi 09:21 Hello malor, Welcome to #evilhack 09:23 welcome prince of the world. 09:24 Are you gonna ascend an evilhack at the end of June lo? 09:30 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:12813 (3:52:59) 09:40 thank you xdminsy :) 09:41 I can't handle evilhack. I am Prince of the easy variants, that is my realm! 09:55 pfft 10:08 damn lost my conduct 10:10 alignment that is 10:10 noooooo 10:11 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:15858 (4:34:51) 10:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:46919 (1 day, 10:57:10) 10:22 K2, Werebane's still a saber in Evil right? 10:22 so it could appear in Perseus's statue? 10:23 yeah 10:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) destroyed Kas, on T:67851 (1 day, 2:49:02) 10:26 noted 10:26 (on wiki) 10:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46950 (1 day, 10:59:55) 10:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46952 (1 day, 11:00:06) 10:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:46999 (1 day, 11:05:41) 10:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the human high priest of Moloch, on T:47117 (1 day, 11:16:09) 10:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided black dragons, on T:14375 (3:39:50) 10:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) destroyed Vecna, on T:68425 (1 day, 3:15:28) 10:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:47124 (1 day, 11:17:09) 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:17877 (5:17:59) 10:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:47179 (1 day, 11:24:16) 11:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:47200 (1 day, 11:27:18) 11:13 umbire: I found grayswandir in the statue once 11:14 exceedingly rare, but i'm sure someone will do it again 11:14 I've got Grayswandir from Perseus once too. 11:14 nice! :) 11:15 well there ya go lol 11:16 malor: don't you ascend dnh? You'd be able to play evil... 11:16 I find evil easier than vanilla in certain ways 11:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) genocided shocking spheres, on T:47312 (1 day, 11:37:02) 11:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:68831 (1 day, 3:45:46) 11:20 playing evilhack is somewhat stressful for me. 11:21 Sometimes there's often a feeling like gonna die instantly at sometime. 11:24 <@malorpower> Yes I do pretty well in dnh. 11:24 <@malorpower> I can ascend vanilla some of the time too. 11:24 <@malorpower> But honestly Evilhack is quite a bit more difficult! 11:24 <@malorpower> Naturally for you maybe and probably Mobileuser Evilhack seems easier than it really is 🙂 11:26 @malorpower how much evilhack have you actually played? 11:26 oh, none - https://nethackscoreboard.org/players/m/malor.slashem.html 11:27 how bout you give it an actual try? :) 11:27 oops 11:27 yeah i cant link evilhack from your player page because you havent played it 11:27 'oops' redacted 11:28 I suggest drow wizards or something, the ultimate spellcasters don't need to take care of many nasites. 11:28 xdminsy we sometimes call it "anxietyhack" 11:28 :-P 11:28 XD 11:28 heh 11:28 The melee roles may need to do some work like finding and forging projectiles weapons of oprop. 11:28 <@malorpower> There is no try only do. 11:28 malorpower: I know you think I'm biased because i play all the time, but I really don't think so... I kinda suck and can ascend evil (although I'm kind of a one trick pony with the monk) 11:29 but he gave monks some love in evil with the extra attack and other things 11:29 mobileuser that's exactly what i feel like lol. 11:30 heheh 11:30 mobileuser guess what? 11:30 what K2? :-) 11:31 i didi the DISHES 11:31 xdminsy: shuriken are my favorite :) 11:31 \o/ 11:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: [brb]] 11:31 DIRGE 11:31 <@malorpower> That is something that gives me future-hope - Evilhack is hard but it has systems that you can learn to allow you to solve their individual puzzles and therefore start ascending a reasonable percentage of the time. 11:31 <@malorpower> But I am pretty sure the “Evilhack puzzle” has very few touch points with the “dnh puzzle”. And so I worry it would just break my abilities with dnh initially 🙂 11:31 <@malorpower> So I wait. I was planning to jump in soon-ish but now there are 200+ first ascensions available with notnotdnethack so I have some interesting games I can play again 🙂 11:31 forging silver shuriken is a must for any role with basic shuriken 11:32 Yes I have seen you price id projectiles. 11:32 <@malorpower> I was getting close to the end of non-grindy ascensions with notdnethafk but notnotdnethack has all the really fun combos available again 🙂 11:33 I've never price id weapons.. 11:33 Dunno how to do such work. 11:33 i just never like being in a situation where i have a vague recollection of something i need somewhere -- so i make my runs as self-documenting as possible 11:33 it also helps when im not paying much attention, which is much of the time 11:33 heh nndnh master. 11:35 <@malorpower> My initial run will be either centaur Valkyrie or Drow wizard. 11:35 <@malorpower> Wizard is the most common “1 ascension only” type for Evilhack. Probably because magic resistance is really vital in Evilhack. But also it sounds like because distant attacking is more important too. 11:35 You can just play wizards like vanilla one, cast spells at enemies. 11:36 So you don't need to worry about their passive cancellation or disintegration, or their melee attack or melee spell. 11:37 It's kinda relax, acid blast can deal with almost everyone in maybe 2 or 3 casts. 11:37 centaur valkyrie should be easy too i guess. 11:39 <@malorpower> What does cancellation do in Evilhack to your toon? 11:40 It may cancel all your items in inventory I think, usually I go gray scales to resist some cancellation. 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Unguarded1765 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 255886 points, T:57805, poisoned by a locust 11:40 some of your items 11:41 Well yes some of the all :P 11:41 with half magic damage, I think only 2 11:41 I think in vanilla one can melee almost all monsters, but in evilhack maybe one need to genocide a lot in order to melee everybody.. 11:41 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:41 first you hit the gray dragon with your +7 blessed mjollnir, then you hit it with your +0 uncursed mjollnir. whats the problem? 11:41 meow meow Umbire! 11:41 :3 11:41 'lo 11:41 I knew what you meant xdminsy, but to avoid misunderstanding ;-) 11:42 hi Loveaabb. 11:42 lol krm26 that's what my first or second evilhack game just like. 11:42 xdminsy: ;3 11:42 I reverse genod gray dragons and kill them in melee. 11:42 what is awesome is disintegrating your artifact weapon against a bones pet humanoid wearing black dragonsclae 11:43 swinging on endgame @npcs can always be dangerous if you dont probe them 11:43 Oooops, I don't even know that. 11:43 i have also had a monster bearded axe away my firebrand and then disintegrate it against MY black dragonscale 11:44 Lucky that wizard can killl all player mosnters in ranged simply. 11:44 which was just *french kiss* 11:44 Yes, the melee combat in evilhack is kinda annoying. 11:44 <@malorpower> The answers to my cancellation question have me shaking in fear 🙂 11:45 i do kinda wish cloak of displacement gave you a bonus save against bullwhips/bearded axes 11:45 i think it is one of the least used ascension cloaks? 11:45 Yes but the gray scaled armor could sometimes protect you from cancellation. 11:46 I remember that when I play valkyrie or drow convict, my weapon keep being disarmed maybe 10+ times in oen game. 11:47 cancellation can be repaired @malorpower 11:47 That's so terrible. 11:47 but it's annoying when someone empties a wand at you 11:47 Repair armor could restore the enchantment of cancelled armor? 11:48 no 11:48 enchant armor can tho 11:48 :-) 11:48 krm26 I am wearing a displacement cloak now :-) 11:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:48031 (1 day, 11:57:48) 11:48 What's the effective way to deal with angel? 11:48 good luck! 11:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:48032 (1 day, 11:58:02) 11:48 xdminsy, blind yourself 11:48 i find they resist almost everything. 11:49 spell-wise? they don't resist soa very well 11:49 They also don't resist fire 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:20807 (6:12:31) 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20808 (6:12:34) 11:49 @e?Angel 11:49 Angel (A) | Lvl: 14 | Diff: 19 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 55 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -4 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical, 1d6 weapon physical, 1d4 claw physical, 2d6 cast magic missile | Align: 12 | flies, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 11:49 If you mean these guys 11:49 Oh right, I see. 11:50 I think maybe I should prepare some wands even as a wizard. 11:51 Heh krm26 I dunno how to play melee in evilhack. 11:51 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:21087 (6:14:14) 11:51 That seems very hard. 11:51 melee is easier than casting in most circumstances 11:51 even as a caster i melee a fair amount normally 11:52 Really, I remember I used to be cancelled a lot by a L or some nasty spellcasters. 11:52 endgame you just want to watch for the known bullwhip-wielders and @npcs, so you DO need to have some minor ranged capability 11:53 But as a wizard I remember spellcasters nearly give me no trouble all the game. 11:53 I could just kill them in 3 moves while they are 10 blocks away.. 11:53 gotta manage your food/mana efficiently tho 11:53 I think so, I may try some melee roles sometime. 11:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:69625 (1 day, 4:20:00) 11:54 You remind me that wizard can hungerlessly cast, which is so amazing. 11:54 xdminsy, try a draugr anything, that'll cure you of spell reliance :-) 11:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) genocided electric eels, on T:48101 (1 day, 12:04:19) 11:55 Yes, the wizards are just simple mode. 11:56 Right I think draugr are somewhat strong race in many aspects, not bad. 11:56 you should be proud dominating with wizards, i disagree that they are simpler/easier than other roles in evilhack...just different 11:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Trt Fem Law) genocided alhoons, on T:69664 (1 day, 4:21:58) 11:56 But the wish for Sunsword is so kinda of. 11:56 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:21234 (6:19:45) 11:56 if i had to pick an "easiest role" i'd probably have to say priest 11:57 luckily they are punished with the mitre 11:57 monk would be a close second 11:57 Well maybe, because I dunno how to play other roles or races. 11:57 priest is a good halfway step to melee from wizard 11:58 Is that true that chaotic priests can get hammer of the gods every game? 11:59 i mean, no? 11:59 you get demonbane as a priest guaranteed 11:59 unless you wish for sunsword. even lawful Priests cannot be gifted sunsword. 11:59 but as a chaotic you gotta grab your sunsword from the environment or a wish 11:59 priests cant be gifted ANYTHING with an edge 12:00 it is irritating for getting secespita too 12:00 and of course grayswandir 12:00 Oh will, I see, i remembered wrongly I thought mjollnir is the one to forge hotg. 12:00 so any of the forged items a priest wants generally take a wish or luck 12:01 (k2 hates priests :-) 12:01 cf. mitre 12:02 now, if wearing the mitre meant you could receive edged offering gifts! THAT would make it a worthwhile artifact 12:02