00:27 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 00:34 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 00:44 hi 00:44 Hello xdminsy, Welcome to #evilhack 00:44 morning Hecubus. 00:46 Wowo grats k3ut0i. 00:47 Are draugrs still able to nurse dance? 00:53 <@loggers_viii> yeah xdminsy 00:53 Okay I see. 00:54 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 00:54 had some seriously buggy thing just happen 00:54 sloppyfirsts: Message from K2 at 2024-06-21 19:57 EDT: barding goes to +5 safely 00:55 thanks K2 for the barding info! 00:55 was attacking a vampire bat in on the Home level of the Wizard quest, while mounted on my trusty ancient pseudodragon. 00:56 hey xdminsy :) thanks 00:57 killed the vampire bat, bare-handed, with shocking grasp. 00:57 this message string follows: 00:57 Your hands no longer shimmer so brightly. 00:57 Your robe deflects the vampire bat's attack.  The vampire bat bites! 00:57 You kill the vampire bat! 00:57 You feel guilty.  The baby white dragon roars! 00:57 You are thrown off of the invisible Cadag-m'naer! 00:57 You rebalance your load.  Movement is difficult. 00:58 I did nothing to abuse alignment. 00:58 There were no dug pits. 00:59 There was nothing to throw me off my steed. 00:59 (monster-wise) 00:59 none of my pets are confused, nor am I. 01:00 The baby white dragon, was initially a peaceful bat, that polymorphed in a poly trap. 01:01 Did your shock transfer to the peaceful monster through the hostile monster that you killed? 01:01 I was at the doorway. 01:02 A line of hostile monsters surrounded the doorway. 01:02 but, that does bring up something interesting. 01:03 is it by design that you can attack a pet when you try to displace them when your hands are loaded with burning hands? 01:03 that happened to me in Goblin Town. did not attack my pet, was not confused, tried to displace them, and attacked them. 01:04 had burning hands loaded up. 01:04 I know I did not hit 'F' as well.      (so that is a separate issue I forgot to report) 01:06 so, anyways, there were no peacefuls monsters anywhere near, other than my mount and a pet behind me. 01:11 and another point of interest. I thought the message of feeling guilty noted alignment. 01:11 I started the battle with "slightly abused" and after it said "You feel guilty." I am still at "slightly abused." Should it not have gone to "moderately?" 01:20 <@loggers_viii> as far as alignment, you just didn’t abuse it enough for it to go to moderately. that’s fine 01:20 <@loggers_viii> it changes the message at thresholds of abuse 01:24 <@loggers_viii> no idea what the fuck happened with your steed though 01:24 i figured that was the case, but I've done very minor things (at least what I thought was minor) that have taken me to the next level of abuse 01:27 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3391 (0:38:21) 02:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:12168 (2:46:55) 02:17 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 02:17 -!- sloppyfirsts has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided black dragons, on T:13074 (3:04:26) 02:23 !tell sloppyfirsts when you wear dragonbane, expect dragons to get pissed off 02:23 I'm on it, tinklebear. 02:25 yep, that'd do it 02:25 there's almost always some detail or other like that being left out 02:39 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:48 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 02:49 how is it a "detail left out"? 02:49 sloppyfirsts: Message from tinklebear at 2024-06-22 02:23 EDT: when you wear dragonbane, expect dragons to get pissed off 02:50 if I provided absolutely everything it would have been even more of a wall of text 02:50 but, why would I feel guilty? 02:50 and why would I be thrown off my steed? 02:50 were you, in fact, wearing the artifact gloves called Dragonbane? 02:51 i figured that was assumed.  :) 02:51 and: yes. 02:51 dragonbane and dragons hate each other 02:51 you offended the peaceful baby dragon 02:51 so you felt guilty, for offending a peaceful 02:51 peaceful bat poly'ed into dragon and got pissed off looking at your dragonbane 02:51 as for the steed, I'm not entirely sure 02:52 and i get throw off of my steed... yeah ... was my next question. 02:52 The steed part is is/was my biggest question 02:52 did it become untame? 02:52 no. 02:52 I speculate that its tameness was reduced 02:52 and is just pseudodragon. 02:53 maybe even being pseudo it felt something for the _real_ dragon . . . ?!   harhar 02:53 perhaps being un-neighborly to peacefuls upsets your pets? I really don't know 02:54 it would be a new one for me 02:54 and, yeah, I know about Dragonbane and dragons, but it is a detail, and its very details, I sometimes forget.  Other than knowing you simply cannot have dragon pets. 02:55 I always make the decision fairly early in my games: do I want pet dragons . . . or not? 02:56 I was keeping it pretty tame with meatballs, so it would seem it would not have been reduced too much. 02:56 but probably is the best guess. 02:57 and, even  further, that is pretty messed up, and yet another major pitfall/roadblock with attaining a conduct of never abusing aligmnment. 02:58 Turn the corner, see a peaceful dragon whilst wearing Dragonbane ... conduct gone! 02:59 https://ibb.co/xC6R7tr 02:59 Seems I have a lot of treasures. 02:59 another, current happening: a PM healer with *3* — THREE — wands of death! 02:59 I think I'd better stay here to wait for a rock mole, I'm afraid that my nicodemus cannot beat goblin king. 03:00 Or maybe I think he can, I can lock that door. 03:00 The floating eye giving a towel is so awesome. 03:01 PM only used one charge, missed me (I have magic resist and reflection anyway).  Next couple turns my pet Titan one-shots it with Touch of Death! 03:03 wands of death are rare enough as it is, but 3 on one player monster?!  whoa. 03:04  can go entire games without seeing them. 03:04 and, yeah, xdminsy that is too great when that happens.   Earlier today I had a zombie drop a eucalyptus leaf!  Did not need it, but still fun. 03:05 Heh right, that's interesting. 03:05 also rabid rats make pretty decent pets, in the early game, for convicts 03:05 Imagine feel feverish by a wererat, then kill it it drops a sprig of wolfsbane! 03:05 and are another thing they can chat or food tame 03:06 sloppyfirsts: it looks to me like getting thrown off your mount is simply the consequence of pissing off *any* non-hostile monster by wearing/wielding/whatevering an artifact it hates 03:06 I think rabid rat cannot beat a goblin king? 03:07 While my rodent of unusual size I think he can, but I'm afraid that goblin king may ignore him and come to me. 03:07 I've die of that several times, the goblink can usually kill me in 3 turns. 03:07 it may. . . although its biggest advantage, the poison attack, is useless against the King. 03:08 Goblin King does huge damage 03:08 I always have problems with him with melee characters. 03:08 I have enough patience now, waiting a rock mole. 03:09 (ie, sloppyfirsts could have been riding a mumak, and the consequences would have been identical) 03:09 Okay, I saw a water nymph. 03:09 I go in thinking -5 AC, 80 HP,  levelled up my weapons,  I AM GOING TO TAKE HIM >>>DOWN<< That's it. 03:09    and he wallops me! 03:09 did not know rock moles could get strong enough to be a decent pet 03:10 move really really slow, too 03:10 No, rock mole can eat the iron chain. 03:10 ahh... fun. 03:10 It's one of the main way to remove my chain that preventing me regenerate health. 03:11 Interesting tinklebear is that intended behavior?  odd that a PET would get offended? 03:11 https://ibb.co/jhwLT1h 03:11 Another promising drow convict :3. 03:11 yeah, I like trying to do forge to remove or nymph. 03:12 just strip down, drop everything, and let her take your shirt and iron ball! 03:12 I had a couple promising drow convicts that died fantastically stupid deaths.   :) 03:12 I can finally regen hp after 10k turns. 03:13 amazing that you levelled up that far w/o healing 03:14 Prayer can restore full hp if under 5 hp. 03:14 yeah... I use it if I have to 03:14 Lol yes I count it healing too. 03:15 I remember once I want to tame a dragon and read 3 scrolls of taming. 03:15 Then finally realize that I'm wearing Dragonbane. 03:16 the forced dismount is in src/allmain.c, sloppyfirsts. 03:16 as far as I know there's no affect on tameness 03:17 (unless the pet is the one you offended, but afaict that is not the case. Pseudodragons really are *pseudo*, not real, dragons) 03:18 *effect 03:20 oh, I know, my comment about pseudo was a joke 03:20 so, it is intended, though? 03:21 I find the small glob of gray ooze is so useful to pacify domestic animals. 03:21 any food they will not eat will pacify them 03:21 my favorite is a kelp frond 03:21 only weighs 1 aum 03:22 tripe will not pacify a horse 03:22 Yes but I usually eat all foods as I often go hungry. 03:22 they removed pacifying equine for some reason, though 03:22 yeah, typing as you are typing 03:22 But the globs is tainted that nobody eat them, and it will never gone rot away. 03:22 i know vanilla removed it some time ago 03:22 a fortune cookie *will* pacify a horse 03:22 oh, OK, been wondering! 03:23 (for example. so will a food ration) 03:23 seems to make sense. why would throwing FLESH at a herbivore make it relax.  haha 03:23 :D 03:24 i keep fortune cookies as a low-weight option to tame dogs/cats for poly traps, so that is interesring. 03:24 ^interesting 03:25 and I do not know how many times a warhorse, or even a horse, has kicked my ass, so, that is good to know! 03:25 I want a giant spider pet, but haven't seen one yet, 03:25 yeah. chilling out the horses is good for survival 03:26 Oh and you can pacify unicorns by throwing them gems. 03:26 Usually I may save a lichen corpse to tame horses, but convicts may often need that 200 nutrition. 03:26 love spider pets ... but it so odd you cannot displace them into webs 03:27 Yes, but a gargantuan spider can solo kill the goblin king and the webs are so awesome. 03:27 and regarding kelp frons, xdminsy: they offer VERY little nutrition, so it is no loss for nutrition 03:27 ^kelp fronds 03:28 And drows travelling cannot go the way where webs are on route. 03:28 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:28 webs are great... except when you do not realize/forgot your pet spun one right at the entrance of a shop and you walk right out!  HA! 03:29 Ah yes, I know kepl fronds, usually I only get some when reaching medusa's island. 03:29 Gollum frequently brings you some 03:29 Sometimes there might be rooms that has some pools on the center. 03:30 Oh I see, usually I go gollum's caves maybe after 20k turns.. 03:30 :P 03:30 kelp fronds should be VERY nutritious for tortles! 03:30 Forget that. 03:30 well, getting The One Ring in the early game can be quite a helper! 03:31 and there are a decent amount of ways to uncurse it 03:31 Yes, but I usually kill goblin king maybe after 15k turns.. 03:31 I take my time, too. 03:31 That's a long duration :P 03:31 I like to train pets in Goblin Town. 03:32 and try to wait until Uruk-hai have saddled and/or barded wargs to protect pets from zombies. 03:32 I have to train myself lol. 03:33 The goblin town is the safe home. 03:36 wow. that healer player monster had 3 wand of death in its main inventory and 2 wands of speed in its sack! wow! 03:36 That's pretty good to get some wands of death. 03:37 just about to do VotD and Gehennom, and love to have wands of speed for pets that get slowed by skeletons and shades 03:37 As the Orcus won't give me one, I may have no wand of death in a whole game sometimes.. 03:37 only just recently, at turn 60,000, found my first wand of speed! 03:37 my last knight game had no wand of death until the end 03:38 yeas, they cane be quite rare — in vanilla for sure and even in Evil, which is odd with the MASS amounts of treasure you get. 03:42 woah. 03:42 Acca'gna bites the violet fungus. 03:42 |Acca'gna swallows the violet fungus.  "Burrrrp!" 03:42 Acca'gna looks healthy.  The violet fungus is killed! 03:42 did not think that happened! 03:42 (purple worm engulf resistance gains) 03:43 been desperately trying to find it poison resist 03:43 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:12770 (2:54:11) 03:43 Heh, the safest way to kill goblin king. 03:43 https://ibb.co/VH3pNQG 03:44 I don't mind if he may have some wands. 03:51 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 03:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:80598 (1 day, 15:51:46) 03:56 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:13956 (3:07:27) 04:07 I realize now that the sewer rat has speed 12, while the giant rat has speed 10. 04:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1593 (0:08:08) 04:07 And the enormous rats and rodents of unusual size have speed 8. 04:08 I usually find my Nicodemus become slower and until now I check their speed.. 04:08 The rodents of unusual size often cannot follow me. 04:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1950 (0:09:58) 04:09 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:15190 (3:20:43) 04:09 Oh well no elves this time. 04:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3079 (0:15:40) 04:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:3311 (0:17:00) 04:16 yes it is nice to get armor or a nice snack of sleep resistance. 04:16 and, rodents of unusual size are amazing pets, but yes, they need to be sped up with a wand of speed or you need a whistle. 04:17 OR: a whole heck of a lot of patience! 04:18 yes, usually I prefer gargantuan spiders and I can later ride them. 04:18 https://ibb.co/HK0smvq 04:18 I have to deal with all these maybe 30 or 40 orcs. 04:19 Then to gollum's cave.. 04:20 Oh cool my Sting is +2. 04:20 so those orcs should be slayed rather QUICKLY! 04:20 They have some wands of striking and magic missiles. 04:20 I'd do that with patience :D. 04:20 and good you do not have to worry about those posion arrowed Uruks! 04:21 sure, sure 04:21 I nearly always try to make certain I am fighting around corners. 04:22 died from far too many wands over the years 04:22 yes, the drow is so awesome races that get poison resistance when level 5. 04:22 and sleep resistance, which can be a major killer to a lot of characters! 04:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 8534 points, T:4391, diseased by a hobbit zombie 04:22 and the ultra vision is just amazing 04:22 Yes, the drow is somewhat best races in my view. 04:23 Oh well I indeed get a wand of speed monster. 04:24 wish there was a way to fix daggers, so they do not crumble, similar to the way you do for crysknife. 04:24 and that rogues started with a stack of daggers. 04:25 a stealthy thief assassin sounds like so much fun to play 04:25 What does it mean? I think daggers won't crumble? 04:26 Rogues are one of my favorate in vanilla, I see that the drow rogues start with crowssbow and bolts, meh. 04:32 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:99415 (4 days, 4:21:54) 04:41 all drow weapons have a chance of crumbling if exposed to light when they strike something 04:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 868 points, T:804, killed by a black naga hatchling, while sleeping 04:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:355 (0:01:28) 04:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:667 (0:03:03) 04:46 Oh well I see, hardly use drow weapons. 04:48 you get a decent bonus for using them 04:48 also get a decent bonus for being on the dark 04:48 why you get to invoke darkness with #monster 04:49 Drow weapons are hard to get I think, I usually only #monster in early game to get tohit bonus. 04:50 I often get my drow bracers broken lol. 04:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3752 points, T:1891, killed by a dust vortex 04:52 I have 4 wands of striking now :P 04:53 I do need a lot of skill points as a drow, I'd train daggers, clubs and broadswords and two-weaponing. 04:58 https://ibb.co/q09KsQs 04:58 I love dwarves that give me so many mithril armors. 04:59 I'm -8 AC now, quite tough. 05:00 sloppyfirsts how to uncurse the One Ring in early game? 05:00 Dipping fountains, I think I could do that now, I have camera the water demon and moccasins won't be problem. 05:01 yes. dipping 05:01 prayer (although god may not respond) 05:01 wand of cancellation 05:01 holy water 05:01 Those are so rare in early game. 05:02 odd chance you start with a scroll of remove curse 05:02 Let me see if I can obtain the One Ring before 20k turns. 05:02 i come across wands of cancellation far more than I want to 05:02 Oh yes, I hardly play wizards. 05:02 (in the early game) 05:03 Though I'm very fond of wizards but they are too overpowered to play. 05:03 early game can be rough for some 05:03 Ido not find them all that hard 05:04 and found early game weapon use to be easy/fine 05:04 but now that has been majorly nerfed 05:04 The new wizards this version I think become more overpowered. 05:04 The force bolt is just amazing. 05:05 I like they idea of a wizard that can win the game casting only spells, which was near-impossible with the way they were before the recent changes 05:05 I do not like the new force bolt 05:05 Yes maybe, but if get used to survive those drow convicts, surviving anything seems easy. 05:05 it destroys to much equipment/potions,etc. 05:05 I lsot count how many potions I destroyed in my current game 05:06 Well, the old force bolt destroys them too. 05:06 The new one is just doing so many damage, then help surviving. 05:06 I was at 43 ... destroyed potions... then I found magic missile. 05:06 If one survive, then they'll get enough potions they want. 05:07 I used force bolt only in emergency situations (before the revision), because of item destruction 05:07 sloppyfirsts my drow wizard that game I see a chameleon immitating arch-lich around level 8 or so. 05:07 I like challenge games too. 05:07 I could elbereth, then I decide to do elberethless and just desroy it with 3 or 4 force bolts. 05:07 Which i s why I think is why I have not ascended Evil. 05:07 I do not play the easier roles... lol... 05:08 Lol I mean the new force bolt can do very enough damage. 05:08 with how vanilla changed Elbereth and with how Evil has completely nerfed it, I NEVER use Elbereth any more.... haha 05:08 My that game I found the only nasties early game is the nymph with mirrors, then force bolts everythign else. 05:09 Yes, I mean with the old force bolt one may not be able to destroy the arch-lich. 05:09 well, I still use it in vanilla, but in vanilla I only play pacifists any more. 05:09 But the new force bolt can easily do that. 05:09 (Elbereth) 05:09 And it only cost 1pw I find I could zap it in any case.. 05:10 Just no need to worry about pw :P 05:10 It is interesting. 05:10 I think the power to cast one magic missile can let me cast 10 force bolts to do so many damage. 05:11 Yes, so i get magic missile maybe after or around castle, but actually I find I don't need it before gehennom. 05:11  my biggest complaint is that force bolt should not affect death drops.  The monster is alreay dead, and the death drop is not created until after death. 05:11 The bolt's force already happened. 05:11 Should not affect the item that drops. 05:12 I know this is vanilla behavior. 05:12 Yes that's an old behavior. 05:12 I mean that with the new force bolt, surviving a wizard is much more easier than before. 05:12 with the new Evil; changes, maybe death drops whould not be affected.  a monster's equipment is fair game 05:13 You can still avoid casting force bolt if you want and confident to deal with monsters. 05:13 well, you should do the quest as soon as possible, then casting magic missile is easy. 05:14 I do that in vanilla, but usually I play a very slow pace in evilhack. 05:14 I did not find wizards hard before.  But, of course, I have a very patient play style.    I mess around a lot and over-prepare. 05:15 The wizards are the wizards. 05:15 I see my online 7 wizards I ascended only 6 :P. 05:17 2 are evil wizards, I find the evilhack is not too hard than vanilla if I don't play drow convict. 05:18 Overpreparations are fine I think, I usually only care about acensions. 05:19 Overpreparetions are better than death in my view, but I respect them who can do things really fast. 05:19 Wizards are going to be revised again after JuNetHack, anyways. 05:20 I just make dumb mistakes. I sometimes feel too powerful and get into silly situations. 05:20 it got to the point where I could ascend vanilla at will, so I wanted a new challenge. 05:21 Evil has so much going on, I tend to lose foucs 05:21 Welcome try drow convicts. 05:22 They are very attractive and I can often get enough joy by like just getting a towel or a lock pick :P. 05:23 The different mindset is that a normal role get a key thinks, okay I can unlock and lock. 05:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2744 points, T:1957, diseased by an orc zombie, while praying 05:23 The drow convicts thinking wow that's fanscinating and I have a better survival chance with it. 05:23 way more differnt :P 05:25 well, I feel like that with an illithid and a blindfold or a towel 05:26 keys are a lot more important in Evil, period. 05:26 although I think monsters now loot containers in 3.7.x? vaniila? 05:26 Yes, monsters with keys may loot locked containers in 3.7. 05:27 how is a key better for drow?  not seeing it. 05:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1290 (0:04:33) 05:28 Only for drow convicts, oftentimes I may lock a door and faint inside a safe room. 05:29 Usually the zombies and hobbits will open a unlocked door. 05:29 And locking the door and let pets fight the goblin king I think is viable for every roles. 05:30 I think other roles don't usually need to faint. 05:30 hmm? 05:30 faint from hunger? 05:30 Yes :P 05:31 yes, with the early game food is crazy 05:32 trying playing a vampire convict in dNetHack.... absolutely crazy... 05:32 Other convicts could simply pray for nutrition, but drow convicts may sometimes need prayer for full hp. 05:32 yes, it is a blancing act 05:32 blancing 05:32 whoa 05:32 balancing 05:32 So sometimes I have to faint for 1000 turns then to pray for nutrition. 05:33 food is priority number 1 at first. 05:33 Yes, if both weak and under 5 hp, the god will solve the food problem. 05:34 is your strategy to wield the iron ball right away with drow convict? 05:34 there are rare situations where they will cure both 05:34 I do that before, but now usually I don't wield that I just do bare hand fights usually. 05:35 Yes god may fix all major problems if lucky. 05:37 Oooops I got a dragonhide coarse mantelet. 05:37 My AC is now -13. 05:37 Sadly I cannot kill Gollum before 20k turns. 05:38 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:42 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:20933 (4:53:44) 05:44 Oh well the one ring resides at the shallow water that requries me jump to get it.. 05:45 Oh maybe I could just drop everything and walk onto the water then land the other side. 05:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:4537 (0:22:31) 06:08 -!- sloppyfirsts has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dra Mal Una) entered Purgatory, on T:73062 (1 day, 17:40:38) 06:40 Gogo. 06:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:14722 (1:20:01) 06:48 [EvilHack] enetics-secker opened issue #179: panic when going down stairs - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/issues/179 06:54 K2: just posted an "issue". I hope that's the right spot and the info is in a useful form. 07:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:19654 (1:52:13) 07:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 42135 points, T:21352, killed by draining her own life force 07:33 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3174 (0:21:54) 07:38 You destroy the ettin mummy!  The ettin zombie's limbs are stiffening. 07:39 ah, a zombie not a mummy 07:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dra Mal Una) entered the Planes, on T:73954 (1 day, 18:22:09) 07:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dra Mal Una) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:73970 (1 day, 18:26:13) 07:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dra Mal Una) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:73971 (1 day, 18:26:48) 07:46 I think number 5 died of illness out of my sight 07:55 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5599 (0:44:27) 08:05 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu), 13486 points, T:6691, killed by a panther 08:10 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:31220 (7:21:37) 08:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 08:33 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4112 (0:28:09) 08:51 heh, Death and an Angel are fighting, I assume because I have displacement 08:54 on towards the next altar... 08:55 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dra Mal Una) killed Famine, on T:74305 (1 day, 19:08:20) 09:06 Manannan Mac Lir, you're going DOWN 09:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dra Mal Una), 5236248 points, T:74319, ascended (with the Idol) 09:11 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1718308447.evil.html 09:17 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 25476 points, T:18019, killed by a troll 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9441 (1:21:51) 09:28 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:36 Grats mobileuser! 09:37 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a pair of gauntlets of protection, on T:10491 (1:32:04) 09:39 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:3158 (0:21:18) 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:3263 (0:22:04) 09:40 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 10:11 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 8564 points, T:6042, killed by a white unicorn 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13593 (2:16:55) 10:23 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 10:23 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:38196 (9:43:40) 10:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] RusselSouls (Bar Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:984 (0:07:25) 10:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] RusselSouls (Bar Trt Mal Neu), 297 points, T:997, killed by a giant bat 10:42 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2738 (0:10:27) 10:45 bouquet thanks 10:45 !tell mobileuser congrats! 10:45 I'm on it, K2. 10:48 [backscroll] if you wear/wield any of the bane type artifacts, and your steed happens to be affected by it, it's going to turn hostile, and if you're riding it, it'll toss you off 10:49 (and break free of its leash if leashed) 10:53 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:53 is 'polished shield' reflection? I get confused now with these new ones 10:54 yes 10:54 same as vanilla 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 2165 points, T:4908, killed by a gnoll hunter 10:56 shiny shield is light, slippery shield is free action, and aftermarket dealer undercarriage rustproof shield is aggravate monster 10:57 lol 10:57 thanks :) 11:00 hah 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Cen Fem Una) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:48428 (18:18:51) 11:09 will pseudodragon be affected by dragonbane? I think he was riding one. It didn't become untamed either, simple bucked him off. 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:40201 (10:20:45) 11:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] RusselSouls (Bar Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by the Goblin King), on T:1340 (0:09:22) 11:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] RusselSouls (Bar Dra Mal Cha), 790 points, T:1342, killed by the Goblin King, while attempting to cheat Death 11:16 i thought pseudodragons were hostile to dragonbane just like dragons but i can not definitively say yes 11:16 They're not 11:16 since they're not actual dragons iirc 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided gelatinous cubes, on T:50495 (12:46:43) 11:21 it's fun when you can see the monster.... 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:40451 (10:33:04) 11:22 (and then it and everything that LOOKS like it disappears) 11:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Cen Fem Una) killed Croesus, on T:49802 (18:40:46) 11:27 do i need to fooproof a hexagonal wand? probably, right? 11:27 what if it gets zapped by something and turns into a hexagram? 11:27 i only care because it's death wand 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed Gollum, on T:12110 (1:48:36) 11:28 damn i have lucked out with the RNG... ZERO wishes, but i have found: 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 16981 points, T:12124, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 11:29 stone helm of speed, dragonhide gloves, dragonhide water walking boots, dragonhide robe 11:29 i should probably try the wishless thing at this point 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a steel stiletto entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:40723 (10:42:19) 11:31 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:31 . 11:31 mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2024-06-22 10:45 EDT: congrats! 11:31 thanks! 11:32 grats mobileuser. 11:32 thank you! 11:32 !lastgame mobileuser 11:32 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1665171061.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1718308447.evil.html 11:32 \o/ congrats 11:32 pfft. looks ok. first ascension? 11:32 see you are too so much faster than me mobileuser 11:33 Merci! 11:33 if i get far enough im going to be asking you all over again how to ascend an infidel, ive forgotten everthing from last time 11:33 heh 11:33 congrats, friend :) 11:33 one thing i remember is that paladin will kill me unless i have a pet dragon to engulf her 11:33 cheers! 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1338 (0:08:25) 11:35 krm26 usually I get crowned for the fireball spellbook and then blast her from a boulder fort 11:35 remember to target her, not the boulders 11:35 the one time i tried boulder forting her all her buddies had wands of striking and it was a crapfest 11:35 Ya'll both play normalish speed imo. I wouldn't call it slow. You are self-depracating 11:36 plus, i can probably cast two fireballs before im empty 11:36 you were unlucky then.... 11:36 at some point you need to accept the fact that you are amazing at t he game. embrace it!! lol 11:36 confused scroll of charging krm26 11:36 HAH, you said i was unlucky "then" 11:36 this is just my luck 11:36 you have those :-) 11:36 im not made of charging scrolls man! you only start with two 11:37 is enough in my experience 11:37 6 fireballs you think will kill her? im suspicious 11:37 btw, as draugr I used shimmering dragon armor and meleed her 11:37 (for the stun res) 11:38 i think even with stun res i would definitely die to straight damage 11:38 mobileuser play wizard next 11:38 i should go get crowned tho 11:38 oh in demon form you can get lots more PW if you do selfpoly to demon 11:39 K2 I will do lots of wizards but there are still firsts-to-ascend left :-) 11:40 you've broken my spirit for those :-) 11:40 lol 11:40 need a first-to-ascend-excepting-mobileuser page on nethackscoreboard 11:41 just like me need a page that excludes rebatela from monk stats 11:41 Heh. 11:41 lo 11:41 l 11:42 lma 11:42 o 11:43 mm, should probably go grab a longsword to wield before i start trying to crown myself 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 3652 points, T:3172, poisoned by a rotted giant mosquito corpse 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a staff of healing entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:51326 (13:02:33) 11:47 do the garbage gifts make it so you get less at higher lev els when you get artifacts? 11:47 I only recently learned that you are more likely to get artifacts (DRAGONBANE) when you are a higher level 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Cen Fem Una) became the Emissary of Moloch, on T:50599 (19:04:33) 11:47 but does getting random junk a ton of times hurt your chances later on? 11:48 otherwise i just wont sac as much when i'm like middle level 11:48 not complaining about it. Just curious of the mechanics, K2 11:49 like does the game view it as i've already gotten 30 gifts (even though the vast majority were useless) ? 11:49 no they dont rebatela 11:49 garbage gifts dont penalize you at all 11:49 you get what i'm asking tho? 11:49 ok cool 11:49 and every once in a while you get some amazing leather armor of esp or something in the super early game 11:49 yeah haha 11:50 though it is usually another +3 knife 11:50 i got all that sutff this game (after finding it all on the floor!) 11:50 no i have like leather gauntlets of portection and all srts of stuff like that when i had already randomly found better stuff!! 11:51 yeah well cant be unhappy about finding good loot in the dungeon too :-) this game ive found like nothing on the floor 11:51 I have no skill point for broadsword and two-weaponing. 11:51 The unskilled broadsword is a bit painful :( 11:51 don't magic gifts in general decrease the frequency of getting stuff krm26? 11:51 dont ink so mobileuser 11:51 th/ink 11:51 hmm.... 11:52 I thought it did... 11:52 i admit im just going on memory, not code 11:52 bbl 11:56 we need an evil swap chest... 11:56 yes they DO 11:56 see? i'm listening to him 11:57 alright will code dive 11:57 the odds get less and less. and even though i've been getting crap i think it makes it less likely 11:59 not to mention, I was just giving "staff of healing" for the SECOND TIME 12:00 what a fun game!!! 12:02 i doubt it's intended. But i can bitch all day long and it's "oh he's drunk bla bla bla" so eventually someone he takes seriously will get the same useless gift twice in a row. I'm just a joke 12:02 so mobileuser is right, whenever you receive a magical gift your odds decrease 12:03 enchanted normal stuff is not considered magical 12:03 -- not sure if the spellcasting staffs count as magical, but probably 12:04 Maybe i can get the staff of healing 3 times in a row and win a prize 12:05 i like it when they give you a gift and then the next 5 gifts are obligate downgrades (i.e. shield of light, shield, shield, shield...) 12:05 even better when that happens to a priest who doesnt ever want to use that shit anyway 12:05 i know c 12:05 but if the gods knew what they were doing they wouldnt need you to get the amulet for them 12:05 it's not hard to program it so you don't get the same gift 3 times 12:06 when you're clearly playing weaponless, i might add 12:06 it isnt a matter of programming, it is intent. the gods are not programmed for our comfort :-) 12:06 what would be awesome would be if the gods got offended if you didnt use their gift for at least 1000 turns, and damage your alignment record 12:06 huh? 12:06 hehe 12:07 are you hehe'ing at yourself? 12:07 indeed i am, i love that last idea 12:07 OH? You don't like my shield? Well F you krm26! 12:08 anyway you are right it would be easy to keep a short list of gifts to avoid repetition if that was desired, but i dont know any variants where they are focused on making altars even BETTER 12:08 i mean, they are already arguably way too good 12:13 it's not that... but you can have weaponles conduct going at 40k tuns and be offered, say "a knife" 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:42561 (11:24:42) 12:13 and you laugh it off, and then the next give is a stafff 12:14 and then the third gift will be a weapon, one of the ones you already got! 12:14 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:22078 (3:36:38) 12:15 as long as the artifact stuff isn't affected by all the garbage gifts, I'd be fine. But i find that hard to believe... yeah i'm sure the artifact chances aren't affect, but you're going to get less gifts in gheneral because of all the useless stuff 12:16 Here's the rub: k2 used to play nethack (including evilhack) and it's neat that he's playing now because of the tournament... but it's going to suck like every other variant because he doesn't play.... GOOD FOR HIM!!! He has a LIFE!! but the game sucks when the little bit of input comes from 3 ppl 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:22772 (3:42:32) 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a rock gnome corpse, on T:4308 (1:42:12) 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:43157 (11:37:15) 12:27 so rebatela the artifact gift odds are affected somewhat -- 12:27 int reg_gift_odds = ((u.ualign.abuse == 0) ? 5 : 6) + (2 * u.ugifts); 12:27 int arti_gift_odds = ((u.ualign.abuse == 0) ? 9 : 10) + (2 * u.ugifts) + (2 * u.uconduct.wisharti); 12:27 I LOVE you all.... Evilhack, its kreator, the entire bunch of you heros. Not trying to be a jerk on here or anything these days.. Game is FUN as hell. I never thought someone would be able to make nethack better, but ya did. And I love playing your game 12:27 u.ugifts is incremented each time you receive a magical gift 12:28 ok 12:28 so as long as i'm getting knives etc. it doesn't change the odds? 12:29 as i understand it correct 12:29 unless one of those knives is a knife of telepathy 12:30 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 12:36 OK I am going to do a wizard next K2, your powers of persuasion are just too much! :-P 12:37 Draugr wizard? 12:37 Is there such combo? 12:37 nope 12:38 that would be too silly (no spellcasting) 12:38 going for illthid 12:39 Ah I think it's something like the draugr infidel. 12:39 And wizards can unlock long sword by forging Glamdring, I think that's okay to play :P. 12:40 I start with an amazing... wand of secret door detection :-) 12:40 Not bad :D 12:41 and what's the deal with "3 uncursed potions of water"... 12:41 No useful items, but force bolt are enough. 12:42 and that psionic thingy 12:42 ah, 3 random potions 12:43 lol, water 12:43 That's pretty rare. 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:52408 (13:30:14) 12:45 damn krm26, you have TWO statues on medusa lvl 12:45 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:46 hallo hallo 12:47 heheh killed the minetown priest from outside the temple. wizards are great 12:47 hi loggers. 12:47 Wizards are best role :D 12:47 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven short sword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:43546 (11:58:43) 12:47 you are playing con dro again? 12:48 do something funny next like illithid priest 12:48 Seems only con dro can interest me. 12:48 What's the funny point about that? 12:48 you can get a million power from the wraiths on the quest 12:49 iths have insane pw growth 12:49 Oh well I see. 12:49 I remember that the growth cap in 3.7 lol. 12:49 con dro is only really fun early I think 12:49 past that just hacknslash 12:50 Nah I haven't do some con dro streak, that means I'm not so familiar with evilhack. 12:50 I'd practice more :P 12:50 pfft 12:50 I believe in you, then 12:50 oh ffs I forget as drow that eating elf is cannibalism 12:51 if my cASTLE wand isn't 0:3 i'm going to drop all my stuff. I'll even bless it, an d leave it all for someoone to get pre-castle 12:51 Lol that happens to me too often. 12:51 lol that's very philanthropic rebatela 12:51 And drider is canniballism and safe-race sacrifice too. 12:51 this has been a game from hell lol 12:52 wishless at 53k turns (NOT BY CHOICE!!) 12:52 yeesh 12:52 may as well keep it going... 12:53 I really dislike games that don't give me a wish before the castle 12:53 i don't normally 12:53 just this one lo 12:53 lol 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5424 (2:12:42) 12:53 presumably if I was good enough I wouldn't care but I usually like to rely on getting a dragonhide magic armor or something early 12:53 Me too, but mainly because that I'm afraid of wand of death. 12:53 but i see why people play wishless 12:54 i kinda want to now because i'm so mad 12:54 wishless is an interesting challenge for sure 12:54 I think I make a lot of dumb mistakes that I have to amend with wishes so probably not the conduct for me 12:55 It depends, wishless is simple if you do enough lot of farming lol. 12:55 That could be very challenge if go ascend within normal ascension counts or shorter :P 12:55 turncounts. 12:56 I think my evilhack turncounts are often very high because of farming 12:56 especially when my gods decide to throw me junk half the time >:( 12:56 TWO blessed staffs of healing... 12:57 I see them like mobileuser can farm within 50k turns. 12:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 20566 points, T:5497, killed by a magic missile 12:57 I think maybe I spend too many times in the early game. 12:57 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 620 points, T:1769, diseased by an orc zombie, while praying 12:57 that's wrong I'm sorry. you should get ONE of those garbage stafffs as a joke even... never mind TWO 12:57 who the heck has ever even used a staff of healing? 12:57 right? 12:58 i got 2 12:58 I use it sometimes. 12:58 staff of divination, staff of matter, even staffs of war have their uses 12:58 yeah 12:58 Cure my pets. 12:58 neato 12:58 The pity is there's no staff of enchantment. 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "El", on T:5705 (2:17:29) 12:58 Otherwise the charm monsters would be effective. 12:58 is there not? I didn't know that 12:58 Yes, I want one when I play that knight game. 12:59 But then I realize there are no staff of enchantment :P 12:59 in any case, you should never get two of the same one 12:59 cuz waddahell are you gonna do with that? 12:59 train enchanemnt by casting something else 13:00 I think charm monster is kind of bad now though because you can only have a limited amount of pets 13:00 maybe it makes them peaceful instead? in that case it's still nice 13:00 Knights are unskilled at enchantment. 13:00 Well that's why I usually only play wizards when I wanna do spellcasting. 13:00 why should i be getting multiple staffs o fhealing though? Chih chung su has dementia... it's really sad 13:00 Those other spell casting roles are not so good at casting all spells :P 13:01 personally I hate the gifts of, like, a single wooden dagger 13:01 yeah play wizards... nothing else can cast spells at all!! 13:01 they are decent fighters!! 13:02 monks and priests are fine spellcasters but they don't have all the skills 13:02 healers too 13:02 sure 13:02 I think maybe only wizard gets the funny AoE spells 13:02 Yes other roles are good at some spells, but they often rely on robes. 13:02 * rebatela prays to god they dont' get my shit nerfed 13:02 I typically only wear comr even as a wizard. 13:02 monks should be buffed to have expert in attack skills I think 13:03 Even I have 3 or 4 sources of mr I would choose comr too :P 13:03 attack spells, I mean 13:03 Can they now effectively cast acid blast? 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:6128 (2:22:15) 13:03 you could probably do it if you had a robe and a helm of brilliance but you couldn't do the targeted aoe 13:03 One main joy playing wizards is that they can cast polymorph infinite times. 13:04 That's quite enjoyful I often polypile gems, 13:04 Oh right only basic. 13:04 going for the evilhack high score through gem poly? 13:04 I think I learned polymorph as a convict once and just used a staff of matter to polypile a lot 13:05 Nope I don't care about scores, but polypiling gems are fun :P 13:05 Because I'm the pack dragon usually want to collect treasures. 13:05 lol gambling addiction? 13:05 I hardly ever see a dilithium crystal 13:05 only 4 evilhack players in the 10m+ club! actually looking shocked that mobileuser isnt in there. he's too quick :-) 13:06 who is it? maybe I will try that after junethack 13:06 mobileuser can do things very fast, I can't figure out how to do that. 13:06 splunger, bouquet, Disruptor and i have 10m+ games 13:06 but really, low score is a mark of efficiency, my high scores mean im lazy and slow 13:07 isn't mobileuser around the same speed as krm26? or did I make that up 13:07 lies, all lies 13:07 i hold the record for slowness, laziness, and in general all forms of badness 13:07 only player on https://nethackscoreboard.org/worst.evil.html 13:08 lol 13:08 well you have like 50 ascensions so you must be doing something right 13:08 I'm not sure, I see mobileuser often ascend within 50000 turns. 13:09 what is 10m you mean score? 13:09 i thought the snobs looked down at score? 13:09 I can't figure out how to ascend so quickly :P 13:10 xdminsy: yeah , for me at least in vanilla it was a thing to have the lowest turn count/lowest score... but with evil? for me atleast? it's always been about ascending... fuck everyhting else! 13:10 not dying... 13:10 I think that low score is more impressive generally but high scores are cooler 13:10 big number = cool and desireable 13:10 Lol. 13:11 i thiink realtime is the real deal if you want to actually measure it, and Loggers smoked me and tariru out of the pool 13:11 I could go quest and farm there, but I think the level 5 minetown is more safer. 13:12 I doubt I may likely be killed by another air elemental. 13:12 They are too strong. 13:12 they are wayyyy stronger on the plane 13:13 They can likely kill me even I have -20 AC.. 13:13 I don't know how I even got that realtime. I can't seem to get as fast as it lately 13:13 probably because I'm obsessed with farming now 13:13 xdminsky I may have low turn counts, but I have very long duration 13:13 * xdminsy :-) 13:14 I really am very slow 13:14 slower than krm26 13:14 ah that must be why I thought you had longer turncounts 13:14 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 518 points, T:1492, killed by Mr. Asidonhopo; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 13:14 That's the proof of skill, great strategy :D 13:14 you and krm26 seem to start and finish pretty close to each other usually 13:14 I usually just farm and overprepare to have everything then ascend. 13:14 also, I don't do serious altar camping until I am very high level 13:15 that also saves turncount 13:15 I think so. 13:15 lol your turncounts are often lower than mine. it's funny how that works 13:15 you're very efficient 13:16 Loggers we may often just farm at low level then become pretty strong then descend :D 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Inf Ith Mal Una), 135 points, T:187, killed by a fox 13:17 Loggers_VIII there was one game where krm26 and I were both at Vecna. Then krm26 sprinted away from me, ascended, and it took me 4 more days 13:18 I claim the slow title :-P 13:18 dont have to argue, lets look at duration on ascended games on nethackscoreboard :-) 13:18 per turn 13:18 my routine is: goblin town --> minetown+mine's end --> sokoban --> quest --> castle --> then altar farm for 10 years --> ice queen --> tal'gath, vecna and then gehennom 13:18 mmm per turn, we need to improve the website 13:19 get malor on that :P 13:19 you are right though, score/turn and duration/turn would be nice metrics to fight about 13:19 heh 13:19 on what? 13:19 I think my average ascension turncount would be 100k+. 13:19 joking about a duration/turn and score/turn metric for the scoreboard, didn't mean to ping you 13:19 false alarm! just joking about additional nethackscoreboard metrics 13:20 trying to prove who is REALLY the slower player 13:20 I want additional scorebaord metrics though :) 13:20 Let me read the scrollback... 13:20 well, points/turn and duration/turn 13:20 Actually the "slowest ascension" is probably something interesting honestly. 13:20 i wish blowing up bags of holding was tracked! 13:21 there arent enough "stop hitting yourself" metrics, i would dominate there 13:21 games where the player escaped after retrieving the amulet :) 13:21 those are painful 13:22 Lol. 13:22 has anyone ever lost to an @npc ascending with their stolen amulet on astral? 13:22 no, but some players never managed to get the amulet back 13:22 I think I remember that happening to someone but it might be a figment of my imagination 13:23 i once spent an entire evening in fiq chasing down my bloody amulet with k2 yelling at me to not give up 13:23 heh cheerleader k2 13:28 timting seems weird k2 -- wearing dragonbane, cuz dumb and always forget, whistle pet into poly trap, BANG silver dragon, still tame! took off dragonbane next turn, got a pet dragon. thought it should unpeace immediately 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1973 (0:11:18) 13:29 the dragon first needs to get a turn to notice you krm26 13:29 ok. so i just lucked out 13:29 yup 13:29 "The pseudodragon softly hisses" does it make a special sound when hungry? 13:29 Are silver dragons tameable? 13:30 kept my hands behind my back 13:30 no, but you can poly a pet into anything tame 13:30 oh crap! im a demon! that means i have feet 13:30 heheheh 13:30 can i even ride stuff? whoooaa 13:30 you need jumping boots! 13:31 are flying yet? 13:31 gotta go forge barding, find boots...lots to do 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had an alchemy smock entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:47252 (12:42:47) 13:31 * you 13:31 i mean, demon, so yeah 13:31 nice 13:32 i guess since i cant wear dragonbane and am reduced to gauntlets of power i should make ashmar too and go totally physical 13:32 (no flying with eg a bone chain mail) 13:32 got crystal i found in a store 13:32 oh, demons also cant ride? 13:33 im so infidel-dumb 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a trident entrusted to her by Odin, on T:29436 (5:00:33) 13:39 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu), 121571 points, T:29588, zombified by a hobbit zombie, while praying 13:39 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 3196 points, T:3348, killed by a dwarf lady 13:39 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:48295 (12:51:08) 13:40 Wow cool I can forge Dichotomy now. 13:40 Wait i have no hammer. 13:41 heh 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:54211 (13:12:32) 14:10 crap! i forgot i need a non-silver shield of reflection 14:10 i guess im just not reflecting any more 14:11 what's the reasoning behind demons not being able to ride? 14:12 probably their 13 legs and 7 butt-cheeks 14:14 I almost wonder if it's because you were previously a centaur 14:14 thats why i mentioned it, figured if they could normally ride mobileuser would yell something 14:14 but he remained silent 14:15 @e?woolly mammoth 14:15 woolly mammoth (q) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 6d6 butt physical, 1d8 hug physical, 6d6 butt knockback | Align: 0 | genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravis 14:17 wiztesting says demons can ride (including former centaurs) 14:18 interesting. then the bug is i have no listed riding skill 14:18 k2 -- infidel centaurs who demon-out still have no ability to get riding skill 14:19 thx terrapin! 14:19 barbed devils can't ride, is it cuz they're barbed? I think they're riding size 14:19 ahh 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1448 (0:07:18) 14:24 force bolt is fun but I'm losing a lot of potions 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1840 (0:08:18) 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 3415 points, T:2235, killed by an Uruk-hai 14:27 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:27 holy, like 20 uruk-hai jumped my ass at gollum's 14:28 their dispatcher is on the ball today 14:29 wow, started with free action, teleport control and genocide 14:30 wizards are cool 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) polymorphed her first object, on T:54232 (21:47:21) 14:31 I've cursed my starting water potion and in turn now cursed my geno scroll.. time to nurse dance :D 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a dwarf royal, on T:16101 (3:55:14) 14:34 71 HP as a level 4 drow wiz... not too shabby 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1719 (0:06:57) 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2256 (0:08:12) 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:59265 (13:52:58) 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:2882 (0:14:54) 14:44 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 14:48 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 54 points, T:212, killed by a system shock 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Warden Arianna, on T:59837 (14:01:38) 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:59838 (14:01:39) 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:60440 (14:06:46) 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Robert the Lifer, on T:60444 (14:06:58) 14:59 [backscroll] krm26 I never ride, I'm the wrong one to ask :-) 15:03 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:5584 (0:35:38) 15:04 agh mobileuser! demon form, dragon pet, so no shield of reflection, no dragonbane, never found "reflection :-P 15:05 and still no free action...feeling very delicate 15:05 if this silver ring is free action my head will explode 15:06 let's be careful out there! 15:06 if free action is silver you can wish for an ancient ring 15:06 or use orange scaled armor 15:07 oh just rev gen some silver dragons for reflection 15:08 still no genocide 15:09 Oooops, killing inmates are properly a bad idea. 15:09 oh hell yeah, orc temple 15:09 Does killing quet guradians make me decreasing luck always? 15:09 Fast. 15:13 yes 15:14 That's so sad, I let my pet dragon kill the leader, then that's useless. 15:14 TIL illithids are not immune to sickening zombie bites 15:15 better start wearing a helmet... 15:15 yeah it's just the amnesia and int drain 15:15 they don't do amnesia anymore 15:16 they also have the poison attack of course 15:17 oh really, no more zombie amnesia? that's nice 15:17 I remember often getting my weapon skills drained by some random zombie at vecna's and having to grind it back 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7025 (0:45:21) 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:7279 (0:47:24) 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:7610 (0:49:09) 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17383 (4:16:23) 15:23 this is the kinda shit I'm talking about when I say that mundane gifts are annoying 15:23 I've never even used a weapon before. why give me this single dagger 15:24 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:30 all dark elves love dark elven daggers 15:36 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:65159 (14:48:08) 15:39 phew! silver = hunger 15:40 damn, poly piled all my amulets and rings. i now have one undiscovered amulet (reflection) and one undiscovered ring (free action) :-) 15:41 at least running out of id scrolls wont hurt me! 15:49 result! 15:57 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 16:17 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:68303 (15:28:30) 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven short sword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:69304 (15:30:42) 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:69706 (15:31:45) 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:69951 (15:31:58) 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:71174 (15:33:37) 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:71284 (15:34:18) 16:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4111 (0:43:24) 16:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1357 (0:42:51) 16:25 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:72891 (15:36:58) 16:27 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:30 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Lolth, on T:73232 (15:41:36) 16:31 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 173 points, T:144, killed by a small mimic 16:34 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a copper broadsword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:75116 (15:45:30) 16:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:675 (0:04:47) 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:78074 (15:49:57) 16:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:973 (0:06:18) 16:53 "You see here a pair of mithril bracers." never before seen one in the early game 16:54 cursed... would probably block spell casting anyway 16:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2857 points, T:1993, killed by a poisonous corpse 16:57 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:57 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of dark elven gloves entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:79894 (16:08:53) 16:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:80279 (16:09:41) 16:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:80296 (16:09:55) 17:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:81690 (16:12:36) 17:02 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:82051 (16:13:53) 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Shadowblade, on T:82384 (16:17:44) 17:07 [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Neu), 19546 points, T:8811, killed by an energy vortex 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dagger bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:85134 (16:27:31) 17:29 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of dark elven gloves entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:89068 (16:40:25) 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had an elven dagger bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:90408 (16:44:07) 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of jumping boots entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:91151 (16:46:03) 17:45 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:92203 (16:56:32) 17:52 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Eilistraee, on T:93312 (17:03:16) 17:53 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Eilistraee, on T:93542 (17:04:13) 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had a dark elven short sword entrusted to her by Eilistraee, on T:94746 (17:06:00) 17:59 would a draugr turned lawful ever receive sunsword? Maybe you never get your own bane? 18:02 can you get food poisoning from eating an old red mold corpse? 18:02 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had a wooden helm of brilliance entrusted to her by Eilistraee, on T:97255 (17:14:08) 18:03 Not sure, yes? 18:10 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Eilistraee, on T:99505 (17:21:12) 18:19 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had a katana entrusted to her by Eilistraee, on T:103385 (17:36:37) 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had a dark elven helm entrusted to her by Eilistraee, on T:105336 (17:42:44) 18:34 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had an alchemy smock entrusted to her by Eilistraee, on T:106566 (17:45:56) 18:42 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:106730 (17:53:42) 19:00 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 19:04 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had an athame bestowed upon her by Eilistraee, on T:112130 (18:15:18) 19:08 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Law) had an athame bestowed upon her by Eilistraee, on T:114642 (18:22:46) 19:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a pair of jumping boots entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:58061 (22:46:37) 19:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:58315 (22:48:26) 19:51 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 19:51 [backscroll] "The pseudodragon softly hisses" does it make a special sound when hungry? 19:52 it begins making that sound a few hundred turns before it is ready to eat, iirc 19:52 maybe 250 turns? 19:52 of course, if you don't chat to it regularly, it may already be ready to eat by the time you notice 19:53 many species still need special #chat responses when hungry 19:53 justice for pet dragons! 19:53 one of the coolest things: grunters like Olog-hai "discuss dungeon exploration" with you when you are hallucinating 19:54 peaceful/tame ones, I mean 19:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:60100 (23:02:21) 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (black dragons), on T:118735 (19:12:42) 20:07 K2: in src/allmain.c, there's a conditional that says... 20:08 if (u.usteed) dismount_steed(DISMOUNT_THROWN); 20:08 ^ that just means, if you are mounted, your mount tosses you off, correct? 20:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a war hammer entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:62061 (23:12:54) 20:09 (and there's no check regarding the identity of the monster you're riding) 20:10 i'm looking here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/k21971/EvilHack/master/src/allmain.c 20:17 why would there need to be a check of the identity of the mount? 20:18 [backscroll] if you wear/wield any of the bane type artifacts, *AND YOUR STEED HAPPENS TO BE AFFECTED BY IT*, it's going to turn hostile, and if you're riding it, it'll toss you off 20:18 right, but that check precedes those lines 20:19 lines 661..669 aren't properly indented 20:19 so (u.steed) will be false? 20:19 they are executed as part of the huge bane check if 20:19 it will be true if mounted 20:19 *false if your mount doesn't care about dragonbane at all? 20:20 it looks to me that if you're mounted, you get thrown if *anything* gets pissed off 20:20 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:119627 (19:31:57) 20:20 oh i see what you are saying 20:21 without knowing anything about how u.usteed is set you certainly could be correct 20:22 I kind of like it. it's like you pulled such a not-smooth move that even your horse cringes 20:22 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:119715 (19:33:24) 20:22 (or wumpus, jabberwock, etc) 20:22 hmm 20:23 i of course lost a bunch of game progress just the other week from putting on dragonbane when mounted on a dragon :-) 20:23 lol :D 20:24 why is the misfortune of others so enjoyable? 20:25 it does look like that should maybe be "if (u.usteed == mtmp)" or mtmp->mon or however those structures work 20:25 kind of looks like that was the intent, yeah 20:25 schadenfreude is the best kind of freude 20:26 get your vitamin freude RDA 20:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:63218 (23:31:25) 20:28 if i hit 100k turns without free action or "reflection my head is gonna explode 20:30 after 100k turns, the only free action ring I've seen was the one I wished for 20:31 (I think) 20:31 omigod a wish would be nice 20:31 lol 20:31 or a neutral hooa for magicbane 20:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:64535 (23:38:17) 20:34 * tinklebear has no idea how the set of "opposite alignments" is determined for unaligned 20:38 if you are unaligned, it seems nonsensical for there to be an opposite 20:39 there are THREE opposites 20:40 * tinklebear stares 20:41 you are thinking in too few dimensions 20:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:65276 (23:46:55) 20:42 "thinking" 20:42 lol 20:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a long worm, on T:15117 (6:54:22) 20:51 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a pair of levitation boots entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:67360 (1 day, 0:02:16) 20:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15531 (7:01:46) 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 mithril barding of reflection", on T:104909 (4 days, 11:11:02) 21:15 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 21:15 yeah, it is odd, why would my steed be affected by the peaceful dragon becoming offended when it is not a dragon? 21:15 it did not become hostile 21:18 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof expensive camera named SMILE", on T:105156 (4 days, 11:30:49) 21:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Monk (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:15676 (7:24:17) 21:21 tinklebear! where is the grease! 21:21 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.1] 21:22 what's the use of greasing a plastic camera? 21:23 grease the world baby 21:23 :D 21:23 the little hobbit pickpockets will slide right off it 21:23 they do! this is true 21:23 grease everything in evilhack just like you grease everything irl 21:23 that's my motto 21:24 feyd rautha, that's all I can say 21:24 David Lynch and krm26, two of a kind 21:24 Greasers-of-Sting 21:26 all i could think about watching him in that movie was how he mispronounces nabokov in dont stand so close to me. ruined the entirety of dune! 21:26 gordon sumner has a lot to account for! 21:27 i mean, doesnt he have a lit degree or something? for shame! 21:27 cant let your song's meter f up one of the three best english-language authors of all time 21:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a spellbook of acid blast given to her by Moloch, on T:70854 (1 day, 0:34:13) 21:30 ooo 21:30 Moloch playing the hits, I see 21:31 im not even sacrificing for anything, i just dont know what to do without reflection and free action :-) 21:31 haha 21:31 I know this feeling! 21:31 refuse to give up my silver dragon pet by using dragonbane 21:31 and definitely would die like a dog in 3 turns with paladin 21:32 @e?paladin 21:32 Paladin (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon stun, 1d8 cast clerical, 1d6 claw amulet steal | Align: 20 | omnivore, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis 21:33 ive only been to paladin twice 21:33 once, my huge pet dragon swallowed her in one round 21:33 the other time, i boulder forted and all her buddies with wands of strikings dismantled it and then she stunlocked me 21:34 stun attack is rough 21:37 can you kill all the buddies first, like with Ixoth? 21:39 not really, they are too close 21:39 i see 21:39 and im assuming you generally want to pull her with cursed invis 21:39 maybe kill her before they arrive 21:40 mobileuser destroys her with fireball 21:40 sounds appropriate 21:40 i dont have the pow for that 21:41 i took down the Paladin in a boulder fort with stacks of daggers. 21:41 had trained to expert and mostly +3 or less. 21:41 worked nicely. 21:41 had a LOT of them, though 21:42 yeah im too risk-averse since i have no backup strategy for boulder fort failure 21:43 I guess to tame 8 pets you need 24 cha? 21:43 yeah 21:43 @e?spotted jelly 21:43 spotted jelly (j) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 0 | Res: acid petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 0d6 passive acid | Align: 0 | genocidable, amorphous, breathless, mindless, passes-bars, vegan 21:43 so 7 is the maximum 21:44 without blessed excellence? 21:44 18+5 = 3*7 + 2 remainder 21:44 striking might just as easily destroy the jellies 21:45 oh, I see 21:45 thank you 21:45 also: I read in the Log once you wanting a strategy for a gray stone along walls.  Monsters will pick a loadstone. so, try get a monster to go it, pick it up and then kill it where the stone can be kicked. 21:46 krm26: in the 18+5 term, what does that '+5' represent 21:46 unfortunately often the unkickable locations are hard to force monsters into 21:46 ? 21:47 like a +5 hat of excellence 21:47 oh. right now I am wielding a blessed +0 knife of excellence. 21:47 know what my cha is? 21:48 3? 21:48 (it is 25) 21:48 heh 21:48 !whereis tinklebear 21:48 krm26: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil]: (Kni Hum Fem Law) T:104787 The Dungeons of Doom level: 28 21:48 I think it's the beatitude that matters 21:48 does excellence still pin at 25? i thought that was changed 21:48 I have no idea 21:48 ok, live and learn (i've never had a use for excellence) 21:49 I think the luckstone aspect makes it sort of a win-lose sort of thing 21:49 kind of mucking around, making things more complicated so I'm certain to make a mistake 21:53 just like my ssh config file 22:02 I guess the idea is that you have one less item to bless, if you rely on your foo of excellence for luck 22:03 but, like, if my luckstone gets cursed, in most games I can just bag it and pull out fresh one 22:04 seems like kind of a nickel-and-dimey marginal benefit 22:15 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 63 points, T:197, killed by a system shock 22:19 ahhh of course. finally got an amulet of reflection, 73k turns! but. but but but. of course, it is silver 22:21 naturally 22:28 huh -- i guess demon form doesnt change int/wis maxima? 22:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a mace entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:74139 (1 day, 1:48:11) 22:51 -!- sloppyfirsts has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:22 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 23:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed DragonSidedD's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:22331 (5:42:16)