00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 7 points, T:85, killed by trying to drink molten lava 00:08 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 59 points, T:938, killed by a cadaver 00:19 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a pair of high boots entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:3199 (0:37:07) 00:43 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:92252 (1 day, 8:04:43) 01:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 6264 points, T:8194, killed by a piranha 01:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:92718 (1 day, 8:27:29) 01:47 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:53 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 02:18 -!- Sorcerer has joined #evilhack 02:18 -!- Sorcerer is now known as Guest7757 02:18 -!- Guest7757 has quit [Client Quit] 02:35 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:37 congrats xdminsy! 02:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Storm (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 198 points, T:751, killed by a bear trap 03:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had an elven spear entrusted to her by Venus, on T:1599 (0:08:40) 03:14 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:39196 (8:54:16) 03:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 817 points, T:2755, killed by a coyote, while frozen by a monster's gaze 03:42 !tell K2 I am wearing a ring of protection from shape changers, but my pet chameleon is not reverting to chameleon shape 03:42 No worries, mobileuser, I've got this! 03:42 which is a bit awkward since I can't wear Dragonbane now 03:52 !tell K2 it gets weirder: my "chameleon" is no longer a shapechanger, but is stuck in jaguar form 03:52 No worries, mobileuser, I've got this! 03:53 Now *that* one means the possibility of some interesting abuses... 03:55 I had that very same thing happen, mobileuser (tame shapechanger's temporary form becomes permanent upon wearing protection-from-shape-changers). I assumed it was intended. 03:56 heh 03:56 If I had known about it beforehand, I probably would not have picked "cave lizard" to be the final form 03:56 I can't imagine that. I I had known, I would have waited for it to turn into an elder minotaur or something. 03:57 hehe 03:57 indeed! 03:57 but now we know! 03:57 MUHAHAH 03:58 keeping an eye out for the next chameleon :-P 04:04 at least I safely wear dragonbane again 04:04 * I can 04:05 it grants such a kitchen sink of properties, when I try to remember them all it's like trying to enumerate all the 150 zorkmid wands or something 04:06 * tinklebear can't do it 04:07 acid resistance, reflection... buncha stuff 04:07 what does it all mean? 04:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3501 (0:11:23) 04:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3705 (0:11:58) 04:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1758 points, T:5536, killed by a mountain dwarf 04:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:36644 (14:02:34) 04:35 dragonbane? reflection and acid resistance 04:35 and it's a bane to dragons of course :-) 04:35 that's all really tinklebear 04:37 guess I know more that I thought I knew 04:37 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:38 (but I only learned the acid resistance day yesterday or the day before) 04:39 "warns of dragons" 04:47 I guess some of the quest artifacts are much bigger hodgepodges 04:48 master key of thievery 04:50 I always need to consult the wiki for the quest artifacts 05:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) murdered MiisuBoi, her faithful little dog, on T:133 (0:00:38) 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a succubus, on T:24894 (16:06:28) 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 127 points, T:347, killed by a water moccasin 05:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:598 (0:05:52) 05:31 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:32 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:37805 (14:35:43) 05:38 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:39 Keolewa, that is actually pretty decent for giant 05:48 isn't it just 1d6 extra damage? 05:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Fem Neu) had a pair of levitation boots entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:38433 (14:46:27) 05:57 giant gets some extra bonus for club, don't know how much 05:58 decent early game weapon 05:59 giant club bonus... din't know about that. 06:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5645 (0:51:25) 06:03 ah, the source code says it rolls the damage die 2 times for club and then takes the highest value 06:03 so average damage is higher 06:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:6525 (0:59:13) 06:15 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:25895 (17:12:20) 06:19 so, eating a tin of Medusa, that's a stoning 06:19 mind-flaying Medusa, that's a stoning too 06:19 (according to what I read) 06:20 but biting Medusa in just a sexy playful way, that's NOT a stoning 06:20 as I just found out, to my relief 06:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:24 @e?Medua 06:24 Medua ~1~ Medusa (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 tentacle drain str, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 bite petrification | Align: -15 | omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravis 06:25 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 06:26 @e?succubus 06:26 succubus (&) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 0d0 bite sex, 1d3 claw physical, 1d3 claw physical | Align: -9 | flies, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis, demon 06:26 bite sex lol 06:35 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:7709 (1:23:27) 06:43 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:46 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1063 (0:07:08) 06:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:41821 (15:18:33) 07:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1631 (0:13:22) 07:09 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Nightsorrow the human zombie, and former Ninja, on T:2287 (0:22:36) 07:16 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:127687 (1 day, 18:14:20) 07:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:127687 (1 day, 18:14:23) 07:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) genocided energy vortices, on T:127689 (1 day, 18:14:59) 07:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4104 (0:46:59) 07:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 14133 points, T:4381, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 07:42 <@shrigis> oh come the hell on 07:42 <@shrigis> spiked pit in the 1-wide mines end corridor 07:51 <@shrigis> draugrur cant eat tins? 07:51 <@shrigis> what about rotten tins? 07:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by the Goblin King), on T:1346 (0:08:26) 07:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1347 (0:08:29) 07:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1792 (0:10:30) 07:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 12896 points, T:10737, killed by a giant cockroach 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:128301 (1 day, 18:38:04) 08:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a dwarven priest of Mitra), on T:2778 (0:16:01) 08:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a dwarven priest of Mitra), on T:2780 (0:16:05) 08:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Dra Mal Cha), 3888 points, T:2781, killed by a dwarven priest of Mitra, while attempting to cheat Death 08:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:06 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:07 @shrigis if you use a tin opener, you can still eat tins (a bug that won't be fixed this month) 08:08 <@shrigis> you should be allowed to open a tin and see whats inside 08:08 <@shrigis> and only get the option to eat it if its rotten meat, otherwise automatically throw it away 08:09 <@shrigis> like in dnh incantifiers can open tins but only get the option to eat newt tins 08:11 but tins are processed food, rotten or not 08:11 you're only supposed to eat the raw stuff 08:12 my own bugbear is that you can't even eat black pudding :-) 08:18 i was actually going to look into that - if the tin is rotten, its ok for a draugr to eat 08:18 K2: Message from mobileuser at 2024-06-12 03:42 EDT: I am wearing a ring of protection from shape changers, but my pet chameleon is not reverting to chameleon shape 08:18 K2: Message from mobileuser at 2024-06-12 03:52 EDT: it gets weirder: my "chameleon" is no longer a shapechanger, but is stuck in jaguar form 08:18 mobileuser i think that's vanilla behavior 08:18 the shapechanger stuff 08:18 not sure 08:19 If you were wearing the ring while it was near a polymorph trap, it might've stepped on it and gotten perma-polyed 08:19 see backscroll, tinklebear saw the same 08:20 i did 08:20 so that's the only case where I can think of that being normal 08:20 nothing to do with polymorph trap 08:21 but this is clearly exploitable, so it would surprise me if vanilla had this too 08:28 think i'll try infidel again, i've never ascended one 08:32 lol 08:32 a kobold on dlvl 1 spawned with a poly wand 08:32 turned me into a pyrolisk 08:32 and then turned itself into a lichen 08:32 very very nethack-y 08:33 chicken feed 08:36 :-) 09:00 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 09:08 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1090 points, T:4204, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:64, killed by a fox, while praying 09:27 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:34 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 09:34 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (gnomes), on T:1 (0:00:03) 09:47 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:02 lets try this again... but hey did i keep weaponless like I said? I remember saying i didn't care if i splatted as long as i didn't break it 10:03 kangfirmed... https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1717265282.evil.html 10:08 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (orcs), on T:1 (0:00:03) 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3038 (0:21:24) 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:128398 (1 day, 18:46:18) 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:128400 (1 day, 18:46:24) 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:128472 (1 day, 18:50:46) 10:23 how can a pyrolisk gaze at me firelily from around a corner? 10:24 like, i purposely stayed around the corner and somehow it can gaze at me? 10:24 gg krm26! 10:24 maybe i'll watch your game! (since everyone got to see me splat miserably on astral) 10:25 do pyrolisk have periscope eyes? 10:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed the human high priestess of Moloch, on T:128602 (1 day, 18:55:06) 10:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:128604 (1 day, 18:55:08) 10:29 name it ! 10:30 and, like i totally did yesterday but sometimes i feel like it's silly and now i see why it's 100% necessary. used to just be rodney to worry bout... 10:31 dafuq is pioneer? oh caveman 10:32 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 10:33 oops 10:33 can u pray? 10:33 we are about to find out :-) 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 3484716 points, T:128732, killed by the flames of hell (with the Amulet) 10:33 heh 10:33 ugh 10:33 rip 10:33 man i hate cavemen :-) 10:33 oof 10:33 that is like three ascensions i've faceplanted in a row i think 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 792 points, T:1892, killed by a large spider 10:34 now i don't feel so bad cuz you're WAAAAAY better than me and just died in the endgame too 10:34 when my normal post-wizard rate is (was) like 95% 10:34 this happens a lot to me when i sit down to start the run while doing other things 10:35 and honestly if mobileuser hadn't reminded me that i likely named the amulet i would have offered the plastic one and ended the game that way! 10:35 i lack commitment 10:35 same here man... i can't play normally. I used to play all the time when i lived alone 10:35 (it's probably a good thing) 10:35 but i was far more focused 10:36 K2 the second tame shapechanger: doesn't revert when I put on the ring of protection from shape changers, but this time it's not locked into a form... 10:36 which means my plan to exploit this fails :-( 10:37 <@fubaz> I’m the worst. Got surrounded by two large spiders in a corridor 10:38 wow i just got all old school levels for sokoban 10:38 (as in i don't need to cheat) 10:38 <@fubaz> What’s the preferred strategy for dealing with large spiders early game? If i have to fight them, i’ve had good luck stair dancing and then healing. They don’t seem to web stairs, but maybe im just imagining? 10:38 K2 damn... it only gets locked when taking the ring OFF 10:39 tame baby owlbear :-( 10:39 there goes my plan for world domination :-( 10:40 maybe with the third one... 10:43 "you have a vague sense of guilt" 10:43 did i kill a unicorn or something? 10:43 i was throwing daggers past a boulder in soko 10:43 must have hit some peaceful monster 10:48 "you hear an enraged bellow in the distance!" 10:48 now that one i've never read before 10:48 <@fubaz> do you really play on mobile? I’ve been doing so and am having some issues with tweaks to fit the screen and see things like black puddings, drow, and hobbit pickpockets 10:49 <@fubaz> It might be an elephant/camelid class monster iirc 10:50 LOL i'm pretty sure the handle is a joke! 10:50 i'll let him answer tho... 10:51 <@fubaz> I legit play on mobile with a keyboard atm 10:51 That's for monsters going berserk outside line of sight 10:51 he's one of the best nethack players on the planet so that would be EXTREMELY impressive if he was playing on his blackberry or something 10:51 umbire: oh ok! weird 10:51 <@fubaz> It works, but you need to turn off healthbar 10:51 i'm only on like dl5 10:52 yeah i can see playing on phone with a keyboard... i've tried the touch screen thing and i just can't do it 10:53 's how I got into playing 10:53 the thing i dislike about the goblin town mandatory level is having to FIND It... 10:53 <@fubaz> I tried gnollhack and ended up eating a cockatrice corpse attempting to move to a downstair due to an eat dialog popping up 10:53 umbire: without a keyboard? 10:53 specifically playing gurr port 10:54 i can't even imagine 10:54 <@fubaz> Mobile conduct 10:54 although when i was first playing it wasn't weird to be playing an ascii game... 10:55 eventually i'll get that war party message when i'm on the correct level, right? 10:55 <@fubaz> Yes 10:56 umbire: i just can't imagine it because SO much of the input is letters (even if you don't use vi keys) 10:56 <@fubaz> I just shift move in cardinal directions in rooms to find it 10:56 yeah... same 10:56 i love when i find it right off the bat as i'm just going down 10:56 annoying though because the mines were blocked by water as it was and i didn't have a pickaxe 10:57 It's always DL2 or 3 for the record 10:57 (largely because the mines were blocked!) 10:57 <@fubaz> Can you still go upstairs while webbed? 10:57 yeah i knew that. thanks tho 10:57 found it 11:01 @fubaz years ago I started playing iNethack2 on my mobile, and the default handle was mobileuser 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7710 (0:56:41) 11:01 neat 11:01 and I almost never change defaults :-P 11:05 haha 11:08 no magic lamps in izchaks but i got a magic whistle and a stethoscope in the hardware joint... i'd almost rather have that early game... 11:16 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:20 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:9542 (1:15:58) 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a drow cleric, on T:10057 (1:24:56) 11:30 oh man, i knew there was a trap and i took the robe off (wouldn't have mattered i guess) 11:31 i'm gonna die to one of these fucking gnomish wizards and their stunning again 11:32 does prayer even help with stunning? 11:32 i think it's the shittiest part of this entire game 11:32 (so it'll never get changed lol ) 11:33 it's always when i have a decent start too 11:40 such bullshit 11:41 game is ridiculous. i've been stunned for hundreds of turns now 11:42 in the fucking mines 11:42 i've prayed, i've killed t hings by purposely choosing the wrong way 11:42 still stunned 11:43 it's worse than the zombie nonsense honestly 11:47 and now the general store is booby trapped? 11:47 I locked it myself! 11:48 i guess that's vanilla stuff but it is crazy 11:48 i LOCKED the door 11:48 why would it be trapped now? 11:49 and now i just have to wait a bunch of turns right and all will be well? 11:54 sorry for bitching... i seriously think that is my only pet peeve of your othterwise amazing game 11:54 if you don't have a unihorn the gnomish wizardsd can just end your game a couple thousand turns in 11:56 eggs help a bit. 11:59 throw them? 11:59 good to know 11:59 i lived 11:59 oh and i'm going to ascend... i'm PISSED Lol 12:00 i don't mind splatting on astral but the gnomish wizard thing in minetown when it's pretty usual to not have a unicorn horn just makes the whole early game a waste of time 12:06 just keeping them in the inventory can scare them. 12:06 all gnomes 12:20 ahhhh yeah got my unihorn! now i can ascend 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:12657 (2:14:28) 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 28354 points, T:12790, drowned in a pool of raw sewage 12:40 uhhhh ok 12:40 !lastgame 12:40 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1718200347.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1718161233.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1718201291.evil.html 12:40 wat.. I did know you could drown in sewage 12:40 oh polytrapped 12:41 that's a new one 12:42 not as lame as if i had died to one one of those stun locks again 12:42 So if we collapse, drowning is also possible in shallow pools... 12:43 how is that possibly ok? 12:45 Sewage contains polymorph trap means chance of instadeath? 12:45 whatever... i was kicking ass. i know about the possibility of poly traps. I often take the robe off so it doesnt shred if i hit one. i didn't know you could just drown 12:45 That's awful, then stepping into sewage may need MR. 12:45 Not just poly traps, monsters also zap poly wands. If you are in shallow pools and polymorph to tiny monsters, that might be instadeath 12:46 yet we have paranoid options for water so your scrolls don't get wet... 12:46 starting over! 12:47 when a minetown guard yells at you to stop messing with a door it becomes trapped 12:48 yeah i know... that's vanilla stuff 12:48 i didn't see the message 12:48 thanks terrapin! 12:49 ah. yeah that's certainly happened to me before :( 12:49 drowning after killing the rat king to a ploy trap? 12:49 sucks huh? it's a first for me 12:49 missing the guard message 12:50 I see. 12:50 Then adding msgtype=alert. 12:50 oof yeah that was a rough death rebatela 12:51 i didn't seem to even get a turn? 12:52 don't you turn back into yourself when you die polyself'd? i guess if you drown, you drown... 12:53 yeah i think as a general rule if you don't die via hp loss then you don't revert to original form 12:53 it's all good. i usually take the robe off when i'm dl 8> just so i wont' lose the robe 12:53 but i think polytraps in "water" (sewage, whatever) is kinda bullshit 12:55 "You never hit with a wielded weapon." 12:56 awwww yeah 12:57 what's up with water in rooms early on? 12:57 like that's a new thing? 12:57 i know what's missing!! POOLS OF WATER on DL 1 !!! 12:58 i know what's missing... LAVA!! on the first level! 13:00 That's been a thing for a while already 13:04 oh cool 13:04 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:05 i'm clearly bitter lol 13:07 i get annoyed when i get a stethoscope and magic whistle early and then die to something it would have been hard to avoid 13:07 The lava room may hurt zen player I think. 13:07 I think yes, instadeaths are really kind of annoyance. 13:22 that rat king level sucks to begin with... 13:22 sorry whichever variant no one plays it came from but it 13:22 it's a huge pita 13:23 i always make the best of it but drowning in the sewage... i think i'll just find my own luckstone if i get that level going forward 13:36 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4108 (2:19:52) 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4383 (2:22:06) 13:39 rebatela I usually just don't go below minetown if I have no source of MR. 13:40 in vanilla you play like that? 13:42 Yes, in evilhack too. 13:42 I mean, I''m aware of when i'm 8 or below (whether mines or reg. dungeon) because of poltraps but where do you go? 13:42 I think vanilla I might go mine's end anyway if I have no MR, I could simply pray when got polymorphed. 13:43 I go try wishes. 13:43 i mean... and i've read this from developers, you're really not supposed to be able to hang out forever... you would run out of food 13:43 you go try wishes? 13:43 Yes, usually after clearing sokoban. 13:44 Dipping all the fountains and then do some regular routines. 13:44 Price identify my items and use some. 13:44 Then if there's altar in evilhack, I would just go farm. 13:45 rebatela if you pray, you hardly die of starvation. 13:45 Maybe because you play monk so the food is more restricted. 13:45 uhhh definitely not 13:45 in fact they start with tons of food and i don't play byt the monk resttrictions by any means 13:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Gia Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:44819 (16:57:20) 13:46 also, i am the king of altar farming and scumming and taking my sweet ass time 13:46 but i really don't think it's what the developers are looking for 13:46 you're preaching to the choir... that's how i've always played 13:47 Yes you don't need to do that. 13:47 I'm just saying how I try to prevent the polytrap and wand of death thing. 13:48 And the MR is even more urgent in evilhack. 13:48 the worst mines end is that mimics one, but honestly? someone of the newer ones are even worse.. Especially when it comes to balance 13:48 Not only mines end, there're guranteed 6 traps on each level of mines. 13:48 you shouldn't be thrudging threw a swamp and hitting a polytrap after rusting all your gear 13:49 And thus you'll likely to encounter a polytrap in mines. 13:49 So actually the mines after minetown is much scarier then you may think of. 13:50 if i were to ever make a variant, i wouldn't use any of these new ones. it's just so unfiar... the difference between orctown (at least evil made it better with a general store) or the orc temple where you have like 8 altars to convert and a zillion corpses 13:51 also, i never have a problem fighting the rat king, but for an early player he hits WAY harder than anything you have to deal with in vanilla normally 13:52 and the swamp... it's just not fun imo 13:52 You say that developers are not supposing to do that, then what do to if a player encounters a wand of death on DL 10? 13:52 Just die and start another game? 13:52 what? 13:52 i didn't say anything about what developers are supposing to do 13:52 I'm urgent for MR just because there might be wand of death or polytrap, that's why I do so. 13:53 oh cool 13:53 Yes you mean not suppoed to be able to hang out forever, I think I hardly do so too. 13:53 But I think altar farming is alos just hang out forever. 13:54 I typically don't do farming in vanilla, but I do altar farming in evilhack. 13:54 neat 13:54 Because without farming I don't know how to ascend an evilhack game lol. 13:55 i've always farmed in both, but i'm not as good at the game as most 13:55 i just think it's bullshit to be trudging through this swamp and hit a trap and not even get a turn 13:56 Yes, it's kind of instadeath, usually polytraps won't be instadeath and have ways to rescue. 13:56 but i should have known better. it's my fault 13:56 Not your fault, it's the game difficulty lol. 13:57 evilhack has more instadeath than vanilla I think. 13:58 I think maybe everybody die of gelcubes or water elementals sometimes when they come to evilhack? 13:58 i'm biting my tongue about what i think is wrong about a lot of variants, but no one seems to care about what i think. I'm just a joke.. Game was a lot of more fun before 13:59 i'm all about it being hard 14:00 that's why i loved nethack (vanilla, and HACK and rogue before it, moria etc) in the first place 14:00 it's supposed to be hard 14:01 I'm not sure, but evilhack is intended to be hard and much harder than vanilla or other variants. 14:01 i'm a HUGE evilhack fan for that reason... 14:02 i played vanilla with a lot of these people and i couldn't BELIEVE it when k2 was coming up with a variant called evilhack.. i didn't take him seriously 14:02 and it blew all our minds away 14:02 i thought he was joking about it... like "in evilhack bla bla bla" 14:02 and he'd keep saying it 14:03 but it ended up being a real game! 14:03 Well you love difficulty, then why always complain about these things that make you die. 14:03 That just shows the difficulty. 14:03 is that what i do? 14:04 i always complain about things that make me die? 14:04 cool 14:04 Not sure, not always :D 14:04 i don't die all that much, but i'm glad that's how you think of me 14:05 who the fuck are you again? 14:06 why are you even talking to me? I was complaining about that swamp level 14:06 it's not even an evilhack thing. 14:08 Okay sorry for talking to you, bye. 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:6097 (2:51:40) 14:08 are you like 12 or something? i didn't realize we weren't just talking 14:09 i defeinitely don't "keep complaining about things that make me die" 14:09 i love this game 14:13 i'm sure i come off looking bad, but i didn't realize you were baiting me or we were even arguing. wtf. i have nothing but respect for the game. everyone else voices their opinions... when i have i complained about how i die other than today? even today i thought it was funny. 14:14 I don't think he was ever trying to bait you or even argue 14:14 oh ok 14:15 I 14:15 I "always complain about these things that make me die" ? 14:17 the polymorph-drowning probably could use a second look---i agree it's not very fair to the player 14:18 i can't remember the last time i splatted on astral... and everyone watched and i didn't make excuses. And I certainly didn't play on my phone 14:18 i didn't even make excuses about the rat king shit... i wasn't even mad just was talking about it 14:18 best wishes y'all 14:18 terrapin, I don't disagree but it also feels sorta corner-casey somehow 14:18 Genuinely the first I've seen that happen 14:19 oh no, but i'm always complaining about how i die! 14:20 i've had nothing but nice words to all of these people who make these games. I can't imagine being more supportive 14:20 that really upset me 14:20 pretty sure xdminsy was just joking 14:20 rebatela: text chat doesn't capture tone of things. he was probably just saying things in jest. keep cool man. 14:21 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:21 i can understand why it would upset you but he's always seemed very friendly; i doubt he meant to offend 14:22 polymorph-drowing can also happen when zapped with the wand, right? 14:23 :tell rebatela I apologize for my words that upset you, i'm not so serious that time. 14:23 *drowning 14:23 You want ! 14:23 !tell rebatela I apologize for my words that upset you, i'm not so serious that time. 14:23 I'm on it, xdminsy. 14:23 and yes, if it happens over sewage and turns you into specifically a monster that collapses under their load 14:24 shallow pools too? 14:24 I typically try to route around sewage and/or levitate where possible fwiw 14:24 I'd imagine so, would need to test that 14:24 Lol yes terrapin I seconded that sewage polytrap instadeath is somewhat bad. 14:25 But in general, it feels pretty "blue moon" to have things line up and fuck you like that 14:25