00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23411 (5:14:18) 00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a white unicorn, on T:23595 (5:15:19) 00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] murgatroid99 (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1535 (0:10:03) 00:08 [hdf-us] [evil] murgatroid99 (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1657 (0:11:45) 00:09 [hdf-us] [evil] murgatroid99 (Sam Gia Mal Law), 1387 points, T:1697, killed by a piranha 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3831 (0:24:51) 00:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed fubaz's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:10316 (1:38:10) 00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4391 (0:31:02) 00:23 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 00:28 !tell K2 good morning 00:28 I'm on it, tinklebear. 00:29 !tell K2 also, my game pooped out, something about dmonsfree, I think. 00:29 I'm on it, tinklebear. 00:30 !tell K2 at first, there was a "saving or reloading may fix the problem" message after I shot some crossbow bolts at a centaur (that was picking them up, I think) 00:30 No worries, tinklebear, I've got this! 00:31 !tell K2 so I saved. when I tried to reload, I had three options presented, one of which was "cancel". I chose that one. 00:31 I'm on it, tinklebear. 00:33 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1630 points, T:5196, killed by a giant ant, while fainted from lack of food 00:34 I keep riding my warhorses into lava, but somehow it seems like it makes the game more fun 00:34 poor horses 00:38 K2: regarding my game, below is som voodoo that was printed to my terminal: 00:39 [0] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(+0x14f411) [0x60915f634411] 00:41 [1] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(+0x14f3a8) [0x60915f6343a8] 00:42 [2] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(+0x14f222) [0x60915f634222] 00:43 [3] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0x42520) [0x7f2eb1e42520] 00:45 [4] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(newsym+0x358b) [0x60915f5bfcc1] 00:46 [5] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(vision_recalc+0x13e4) [0x60915f932845] 00:48 [6] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(dosave0+0x219) [0x60915f8719dc] 00:48 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:27453 (6:01:27) 00:49 [7] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(dosave+0xaf) [0x60915f871776] 00:50 [8] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(rhack+0x74b) [0x60915f5955eb] 00:51 [9] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(moveloop+0x26a2) [0x60915f539374] 00:51 [10] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(main+0x5b4) [0x60915f97e765] 00:53 [11] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0x29d90) [0x7f2eb1e29d90] 00:54 [12] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0x80) [0x7f2eb1e29e40] 00:56 [13] /evilhack-0.8.4/evilhack(_start+0x25) [0x60915f536565] 00:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 18822 points, T:13216, killed by a bolt of cold 01:00 * tinklebear hand-copied the voodoo above. it could contain errors! 01:01 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 01:11 !tell tinklebear depending on your terminal you might be able to copy the output without having to transcribe it - putty lets you full copy the contents of the window to a clipboard (including scrolled stuff) 01:11 No worries, Umbire, I've got this! 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has removed his long sword from existence, on T:3291 (0:41:01) 01:17 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3547 (0:43:50) 01:20 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1186 points, T:3733, killed by a giant mimic 01:22 <@fubaz> DIDNT REALIZE DIPPING WAS DIFFERENT 01:23 <@fubaz> Didn’t realize dipping worked differently in EH 01:23 yep, from Spork 01:35 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a dagger entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1827 (0:11:38) 01:35 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7695 01:35 -!- Guest7695 has quit [Killed (calcium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 01:35 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:35 tinklebear is still doing nude-knight? Patience of a saint :) 01:37 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (humans), on T:1 (0:00:04) 01:47 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a leather studded armor entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:2996 (0:23:58) 02:08 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 02:28 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5522 (1:05:28) 02:55 -!- chao has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:46 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed fubaz's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:25712 (7:06:33) 05:04 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 05:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:27687 (7:29:14) 05:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:49 krm26: portables holes already exist, they're just called cursed bags of holding (#loot until the item disappears) 05:54 -!- mobileuser96 has joined #evilhack 05:58 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:02 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:14 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:17 -!- mobileuser96 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:46241 (1 day, 0:54:17) 07:47 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:47410 (1 day, 1:42:29) 08:08 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 08:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:48524 (1 day, 2:05:00) 08:42 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:44 hi 08:44 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 08:44 K2: Messages from tinklebear have been forwarded to you privately. 08:44 ab 08:46 !tell tinklebear I have the coredump from your game. you should have had an option to recover the game; I just recovered it for you 08:46 Will do, K2! 08:55 ugh i think this has happened before (tinklebear crash) but it's rare 08:56 has to do with tainted ammo 09:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:49553 (1 day, 2:20:04) 09:04 \o/ 09:04 :-) 09:04 I think I will wait to see if Vecna drops the Hands 09:05 or "hand" rather 09:06 cold gf hand according to sloppy 09:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had an iron small shield entrusted to him by Set, on T:49712 (1 day, 2:25:02) 09:08 lol I saw that K2 09:09 unfortunately I'm still only level 19, I could be here a while... 09:12 B - an uncursed +3 dragonhide armor of drain resistance (being worn) 09:12 found on a gnoll 09:13 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:15 wow, nice find! 09:20 \o/ 09:20 just need to find the same as a dark elven tunic :P 09:20 The door opens. Aphrodite picks up a ring. 09:20 this will be fun 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:24646 (7:06:26) 09:22 trophy get 09:26 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 09:27 woohoo! 09:27 do you get a lot of bad luck force bolting nymphs? 09:30 no, i used magic missile 09:30 still leaning on fb a fair amount 09:31 force bolt only costing 1 point of power at this high a level AND with the EotA, it's basically free ranged damage 09:32 i may need to tweak this a bit, it feels too OP. maybe once a the wizard reaches exp level 10 (when they can start the quest), force bolt costs 2 points or something 09:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:50977 (1 day, 2:40:48) 09:38 2 points is still peanuts if you have the EotA 09:38 tough one 09:38 yeah 09:38 i'll need to think on it 09:38 i'm feeling pretty good still about wiz changes. this has been a fun game so far 09:39 bouquet is liking it as well so far 09:39 (his game, not mine) 09:39 :P 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:29458 (7:38:50) 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:31170 (7:46:37) 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a chain mail entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:32572 (7:54:28) 10:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Set, on T:52529 (1 day, 3:05:10) 10:00 \o/ 10:00 that's enough altar camping 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a wooden axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:32806 (7:55:40) 10:01 bouquet calls drow wizard "easy mode" :-) 10:01 heh 10:01 Isn't all wizard easy mode? 10:01 i need sesceptia so i can forge the SotA 10:03 Coool. 10:03 I'm keeping my werebane 10:03 I'm a bit stuck and dunno the mid game of evil, just started farming again. 10:03 I must be the only player who likes werebane :-) 10:04 For killing weredemons? 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:33023 (7:59:18) 10:04 Oooooops, what the hell Sting. 10:04 I should name those :( 10:04 forgot to name it! 10:04 yeah 10:04 In a cloud of smoke, a djinni emerges! The djinni speaks. "It is about time!" The djinni vanishes. 10:04 asshole 10:05 can't even kill it 10:05 happened to me too this game, but at least I could kill it 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:33040 (8:00:32) 10:06 xdminsy yes I like the lycanthropy protection and it's now my best silver weapon anyway 10:09 Ah yes that's at least a silver sabre, and can be used at second hand unlike vanilla.. 10:11 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:33739 (8:06:59) 10:12 You burn the ochre jelly with your hands! You kill the ochre jelly! 10:12 ooooh yeah boi 10:12 lol 10:13 hot gf hand 10:14 no skill points for saber 10:14 what does blessed amnesia do for dumb draugrs 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:34844 (8:10:50) 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:35108 (8:11:58) 10:17 I'm going to have to look at the source code. I don't want to forget discoveries. 10:19 unfortunately, the commit message doesn't say what happens when int is below 13 10:19 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:21 i love burning hands so much 10:22 now i need shocking grasp 10:22 K2 I can't figure it out 10:22 what happens when I read blessed amnesia and my int is lower than 13? 10:23 forget some random skills without refunding 10:23 i may introduce a potion of amnesia 10:23 next version 10:24 maybe 10:24 but do you forget some discoveries as well? 10:26 I don't mind retraining, but forgetting discoveries (and maps) would be a deal breaker 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a steel long sword entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:36899 (8:23:41) 10:29 the wiki scares me and I see no special handling in the code, so it's a no :-( 10:29 you dont forget maps anymore 10:29 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/321b894a2f948084efcf6668efcf57e5183a60c0 10:30 wow it's been 4 yrs since that change 10:30 oh nice! 10:31 hmm I see forgetting is more difficult with high luck... 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a mithril axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:37488 (8:28:54) 10:34 Nothing I want. 10:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a knife entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:38055 (8:30:13) 10:39 "Your pair of dragonhide bracers deflects the troll's attack." 10:39 "You feel more confident in your defensive skills." 10:39 ^ K2 10:40 why would bracers train shield skill? 10:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42 they still do 10:42 but you cant shield bash with them 10:42 and the AC bonus from training the skill isnt as great 10:42 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:44 ah ok. I sort of expected no shield skill AC bonus from bracers and no shield skill training with bracers 10:46 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Dirge gifted to her by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:41165 (8:41:02) 10:46 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a gold large shield entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:41172 (8:41:40) 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:42399 (8:47:14) 10:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a cloak of magic resistance entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:43007 (8:52:28) 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a leather cloak entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:44248 (8:55:45) 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a sea tortle, on T:64812 (17:51:15) 11:01 whoops 11:07 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:46436 (9:02:55) 11:08 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 11:12 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2726 11:12 -!- Guest2726 has quit [Killed (iridium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 11:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:13 somehow i still have weaponless going! 11:13 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:47986 (9:08:28) 11:22 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest804 11:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:25 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 11:25 -!- Guest804 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a steel saber entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:52767 (9:27:22) 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a battle-axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:54629 (9:31:17) 11:51 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 11:53 good day 11:53 tinklebear: Message from Umbire at 2024-06-08 01:11 EDT: depending on your terminal you might be able to copy the output without having to transcribe it - putty lets you full copy the contents of the window to a clipboard (including scrolled stuff) 11:53 tinklebear: Message from K2 at 2024-06-08 08:46 EDT: I have the coredump from your game. you should have had an option to recover the game; I just recovered it for you 11:54 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:58608 (9:49:11) 11:56 thank you, Umbire 11:57 * tinklebear just likes to hand-copy indecipherable things, actually 11:58 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:67447 (18:45:19) 11:58 K2: thank you for recovering the game 11:59 YES!!! 11:59 screw weaponless.. it's been a fun 67000 turns, but i'm gonna go get an extra d3 to hit on giants! 11:59 it's just irrestistable 12:00 tough to hit, those giants 12:00 wide as a barn door, but famously crafty 12:02 i mean... i guess that's what makes it a confuct, but dont' tempt me with the crappiest weapons possible 12:02 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:60818 (9:57:54) 12:03 i know i'm gonna break the conduct accidentalyl now that i'm joking about it 12:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:04 * tinklebear hopes not, but knows that feeling 12:04 i always wake vlad up with a cursed invisible potion, but i forgot about him! 12:05 so i ended up polypiling or diluting all those potions :( 12:05 i know he's a pushover in vanilla (or used to be) but will i be ok fighting him not on the stairs? 12:05 i've killed everyone else (including graz't) 12:07 maybe i'll use my last wish on a cursed invisbility potion... 12:07 personally, I'm not sure what the monk approach to Vlad is 12:07 damn.. i just realized i have FIVE death wands! one with 12 charges!! 12:08 nice 12:09 i have 40 something lembas wafers so food should not be an issue.. 7 teleport wands, also one with 12 zaps 12:09 i just forgot about vlad. it would be a bad way to go lol 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a pony), on T:1451 (0:06:26) 12:12 @e?Vlad the Impaler 12:12 Vlad the Impaler (V) | Lvl: 28 | Diff: 32 | Spd: 26 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: unique | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d10 weapon physical, 1d12 bite level drain, 3d6 cast spell | Align: -10 | flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis, undead 12:12 i got the ivis potion 12:12 going back... 12:13 cool. good luck, rebatela 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by the Goblin King), on T:2219 (0:08:42) 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2221 (0:08:45) 12:16 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:67747 (19:01:13) 12:17 that was quick 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:67749 (19:01:37) 12:19 i just want the weaponless. i care more about that than the ascension at this point 12:19 i'm such a sucker for hitting with the pickaxe 12:19 heh 12:21 "Unwield your tools after you're done using them" 12:21 "Don't ride your warhorse into lava" 12:21 hehe 12:22 i think i'll wish for magic harp. i never ever FIND them 12:22 it always twangs :( 12:22 just gotta practice! 12:22 and it's one of those cool items where you XL matters 12:23 like you get this gigantic radius if you are xl 30 12:23 it's probably the same as confused taming butr it is still fun 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) stole 24000 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Corignac's antique weapons outlet, on T:12870 (4:47:02) 12:24 good to have both. covers all two bases (confusion vs no confusion) 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 15351 points, T:12879, killed by falling down a mine shaft 12:29 i still don't understand what these shadow dragons do 12:29 i genocided gray and black already 12:29 what they do? 12:30 thing has a fuck ton of hit points 12:30 they look cool, shrouded in darkness! 12:30 i don't know! 12:30 335 maxhp 12:31 ooo something drained my protection ring 12:31 that's fine 12:31 it wasn't edible (nor was inc. dmg) 12:31 that's when i REALLY get into polypiling... 12:31 they are pretty fast for a dragon 12:31 @e?shadow dragon 12:31 shadow dragon (D) | Lvl: 22 | Diff: 24 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: sleep poison | MR: 25 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -4 | Atk: 4d6 breath level drain, 4d8 bite physical, 4d6 claw physical, 4d6 claw physical, 2d10 engulf digest | Align: -15 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis, poisonous 12:32 for a dragon 12:32 i ate like 10 guarding amulets this game and only got one to cross the blood-brain barrier :( 12:32 but it's -2 AC when it DOES work 12:32 also lost 2 robes doing it because i was a dumb ass and forgot a robe doesn't fit on a xorn... 12:33 but sometimes you get lucky 12:34 and of course there were TWO invisibility potions in the chests near vlads throne 12:34 ugh 12:34 also two wands of nothing lol 12:36 my usual bottleneck with Vlad is a cursed gain level to get into the tower with a gang of pets 12:36 i have so much extra gear... i might try to get a couple titans going and bring them with me.. i'm getting better at it 12:36 still have never brought any to astral 12:39 it continues to fascinate me, how you can perceive distinctive "gaits", that seem to distinguish how different monsters move about the map 12:40 like, is there really a difference between f and d, or is that purely my imagination? 12:40 anyways, I think the purple H have a cute dance 12:41 shit i forgot to get candles 12:41 titans are my FAVORITE 12:42 i'll go back to izchak 12:42 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Ixoth, on T:63288 (10:37:12) 12:42 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:63289 (10:37:13) 12:44 5 death wands, 7 teleport wands, 2 markers, and a wish left... that's pretty good for evilhack lol... it' 12:44 it's on ME if i screw it up 12:44 tinklebear your game load back up ok? 12:44 I'm still loading up with some coffee, K2 12:44 heh 12:44 but thank you so much! 12:44 no prob 12:45 by the way you did have the option to restore the game 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:63660 (10:40:06) 12:45 yeah, I think so 12:45 you did, i saw the ttyrec 12:45 maybe you arent used to seeing the option 12:45 I just wasn't sure it was a good idea to try 12:45 (for me) 12:45 its fine 12:45 Pretty good the leader don't ask me to return the MMoM. 12:46 I didn't want to end the fun string of mistakes with an un-fun meta-mistake of my own making 12:50 game looks good, K2 12:50 nice 12:50 its safe to use the recovery function 12:50 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:51 it does the same thing I do, just you have the option at your disposal and dont have to wait for me 12:51 ah, cool 12:51 * tinklebear burns the keyword "Restore" into long term memory 12:55 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 13:07 ah lol 13:08 I thought, wtf, the magic portal in the quest has gone, but I read amnesia of course 13:09 What, there's no staff of enchantment? 13:09 this wizard tower level is soooooo boring 13:09 ughj 13:10 A bit, overwhelm by monseters.. 13:10 i've only played it a couple times, but man it is just so monotonous 13:10 i'm totally kidding 13:10 i'm onyl good enough to have gotten jhere a couple times 13:10 so it is fun 13:11 in fact, i'm probably going to die 13:11 I want to cast charm monsters by my knight, then I find that I have no skill about enchantment and there's no staff of enchantment. 13:11 I like the foyer with the trees 13:11 ...on the wizard tower entry level 13:12 Then you can use lance to poke? 13:12 but the game is going to get changed because of feedback from people who play the game constantly and think it's the GAME's fault that they are bored... 13:12 xdminsy: heh, yeah. and keep your sides free of monsters 13:12 it's fun for me 13:12 don't change a thing, k2 13:13 I have a question, how to obtain a silver lance of lightning, I can't find projectiles of lightning :( 13:13 How do you often get one, wish for 20 darts of lightning? 13:13 it's fun for people who don't play every second of the day... I mean, i'm just speaking for myself but i think you should consider the average player 13:14 xdminsy: a magic harp is heavy, but convenient for taming 13:14 like, play a different game or make your own if you're really that bored by something that was brand new 13:14 Maybe the average player of evilhack is master. 13:15 it really drove me crazy.. like the game is supposed to entertain the handful of people who do nothing but play it? and complain? 13:15 Oh I see, but I don't have one magic harp, I have learned charm monsters by books I pickup up. 13:15 I really want to get a silver lance of lightning :P. 13:15 yeah charm monster is a great spell 13:15 Where can I find projectiles of lightning quickly? 13:16 i love the new wizard tower, k2 13:16 yeah, as knight, unless I go to higher experience levels, I don't bother with spells above level 3 13:16 ...unless I can gain some skill in that spell-school 13:16 Yes, seems I cannot cast it, what a pity. 13:16 my opinion doesn't matter. but i really do like it 13:16 and appreciate the effort it took 13:17 I have no mount now. 13:17 and when i said that, i was attacked 13:18 xdminsy: If I wanted to get forge-fodder projectiles of lightning quickly without wishing, I would use confused gold detection to find bolt/arrow/dart traps systematically 13:18 but there's no guarantee of success, of course 13:18 Untrap them and they may have object properties? 13:18 yeah 13:18 Or step on them repeatedly :P. 13:18 yeah finding projectiles of X is tough, i pretty much just note when a gnome pops me with one 13:19 are you sure lightning is the only magical-damage property you'd be happy with? 13:19 stepping repeatedly never gives you more than one of the same thing, only get a stack from untrapping 13:19 I'm not sure, what's other choice? 13:19 like, if you're that SICK of a level someone spent all this itime making and the rest of us are just learning? maybe you should do something else with your time. Oh no, i was pounced on 13:19 best way to get an oprop lance is to wish for it 13:19 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 13:19 or just pounce when a projectile presents itself thru blind luck 13:20 rebatela - wrap up the rant please 13:20 I think lightning is the most powerful because few monsters resist shock. 13:20 Because it's my first knight, maybe I want everything best :P. 13:20 i will. but you ended up changing it right? 13:20 changing what? 13:20 2 peoples opinions 13:21 xdminsy: good luck! 13:21 Thanks :D 13:21 i changed 2 peoples opinions? 13:22 if you don't want me to explain i won't 13:22 are we talking about me thinking the new bottom wizard tower level is too packed? 13:22 yes 13:22 cuz i frequently think wrong stuff 13:22 krm26 you werent the only one 13:22 i was also pondering the same thing 13:23 Yes and I can't levelport to skip it.. 13:23 * tinklebear was wondering where the port-a-potties were for such a large monster convention 13:24 * tinklebear now recalls: the moat 13:24 xdminsy :P 13:24 you can skip it once you kill rodney the first time 13:24 not before 13:24 try to imagine someone who doesn't play the game constantly getting there.. Maybe it's not so boring? ' 13:24 well it was never boring 13:24 krm has complained about gehennom jin general being something he doesn't want to play 13:25 he's always talking about it 13:25 ok great 13:25 why are you stirring up shit again 13:25 i don't think the game should be catered to someone who is an expert at evilhack and finds it boring. 13:25 but it's not my game 13:26 duly noted 13:26 now please stop trying to instigate drama 13:26 its like you cant have aconversation unless its an argument 13:26 you think that's what i'm doing? 13:27 yup 13:27 i wouldnt say it if i didnt mean it 13:27 just try... TRY and enjoy the game? ok? 13:27 * tinklebear just thought rebatela was engaging in enthusiastic art criticism 13:28 it cant be that difficult to do. its a game. games are meant to be fun 13:29 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:29 tinklebear heh 13:30 i cant go to art shows 13:30 lol 13:30 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 13:30 i'd see a giant white canvas with a single red dot on it and i'd audibly be 'wtf is this?' 13:30 f <- ceci n'est pas un chat 13:31 I like museums, including art museums, but JFC don't make me listen to someone talking about the art 13:31 nethack, on the other hand... 13:32 you ever hear of stories where someone had a chimp make abstract 'art' and had it featured in an art show and people losing their minds on how awesome it was and offering $$$$$ for it and then they find out a chimp or an elephant made it 13:32 or a 2 yr old 13:32 Oooops my bad network, i don't know how to solve the nickname was already in use problem. 13:32 why cant I do that? splash some paint on a canvas and make 20 mil 13:33 indeed 13:33 i have a wonderful elephant painting the wife's elephant at brookfield zoo did for me. mostly paint, a little bit of poop probly 13:33 right on the wall next to me 13:34 im gonna grab a phone and make you all look at it to teach you a lesson 13:35 certain people have your ear, and you are catering the game to their play styles. i know you think i'm all fucked up, so nothing i suggest would ever be taken seriously... now that? That's MY fault.. but i'm not the only person noticing that people who play all the time are making the rules now. Yes, it's suppsed to be fun. So you will NEVER hear me try to get something change when I notice people doing something or ask you to make something easier for 13:35 something i do. It's painfully obvious. I will go back to playing the game and will not comment at all. But i'm not the only one who sees it 13:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Kni Hum Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:65959 (11:30:15) 13:36 you're gonna have less people playing your game... i'm trying to help believe it or not 13:36 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:37 "Picasso the mumak butts!" 13:38 https://imgur.com/a/glkeWNb 13:38 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1] 13:38 sigh 13:39 krm26, i'll pay you 10 mil for that painting 13:39 its fabulous 13:39 cant do it! wife would get me 13:40 krm26 you should tell rebatela how many times i tell you 'no' 13:40 or everyone else for that matter 13:40 i cannot tell a lie 13:40 everything i ask for, k2 does. his rivian arrives in the mail tomorrow 13:41 lol 13:41 alright i gotta run, back soon 13:42 i think it's only natural that k2 and experienced players agree reasonably often, because if you didn't enjoy k2's general vision for the game you wouldn't play it a lot 13:43 In my view that evilhack is a variant intend to be very difficult, players dislike difficulty will often just play vanilla or other simple variants. 13:45 maybe someone should make goodhack 13:45 you start with AoLS in your inventory and wands of wishing happen more frequently 13:45 when hell is done well, complaining about it will be common 13:46 "I love the new hell!" <-- dubious compliment 13:51 I have no free action for so long time, afraid of something. 13:51 -!- terrapin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 13:53 my quibble with the tower is that it increased the slog from the old tower, and a point in the game where that seems unnecessary. i just think if there were always some ways to skip most of the stuff it would be not less difficult (i dont mind difficult) but more pleasant. no biggie. 13:55 makes total sense 13:55 I always skip, if possible, the zoo-slog part of the vanilla wiztower 13:57 but the slog at evil wiztower base generates enough loot that I find it an interesting challenge to pick through it to glean what I still need (and to ignore the rest) 13:57 in the later game, I find that the ignoring part can be the hard part 13:58 I gather I'm behind the curve, and that there have been some changes? 13:59 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 14:02 xdminsy: my search for magical projectiles goes like so 14:03 1) collect as many projectiles as I can manage throughout early-to-mid game 14:03 2) don't do anything that prevents them from stacking 14:03 3) put them all in a container 14:03 4) price-id the resulting stacks 14:03 ...to find the magical ones 14:04 and I don't usually need to resort to confused gold detection, but I might need to this time around 14:05 Wow that's so detailed, thanks. 14:06 The price-id thing I dont even think of, I thought I need to read magic detection. 14:06 step 2 includes: do not drop on altar, never read magic detection, stash all stackables before reading/casting identify 14:06 Why to avoid buc test them? 14:07 well, in general if you buc some, then you need to buc all 14:07 Lol I see, I usually always buc all.. 14:07 ...to make them stack correctly 14:08 either way is fine. I play atheist, so I do the no-buc 14:08 I mean, I *do* buc test. but with a pet on a leash or in a closet 14:08 I see, cool atheist. 14:09 I think pet with leash may not report a cursed items? 14:10 it can be tricky! 14:10 mistakes can happen 14:10 Yes usually I just choose one way end or dig one tunnel to place the pet into it. 14:11 that is convenient 14:12 Master Knight, what's the steed choice? 14:12 heh 14:12 it depends on what you want, like everything else! 14:12 I find taht seems I have 94% fail rate in charm monsters when wearing a robe.. 14:13 !whereis xdminsy 14:13 I'm not sure, I never ride in vanilla and hardly play knight.. 14:13 tinklebear: [hdf-us] xdminsy [evil]: (Kni Hum Fem Cha) T:68186 The Dungeons of Doom level: 19 14:14 warhorse/cauchmare zapped with speed monster are as fast as anything you can ride 14:14 ...and I want speed 14:15 @e?greater pegasus 14:15 greater pegasus (u) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 24 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 90 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d8 kick physical, 2d8 kick physical, 4d6 bite physical | Align: 0 | herbivore, flies, oviparous, regen, nopoly, infravis 14:15 @e?pegasus 14:15 pegasus (u) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 24 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -4 | Atk: 2d6 kick physical, 2d6 kick physical, 4d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | herbivore, flies, oviparous, regen, nopoly, infravis 14:15 Oh i see. 14:15 @e?warhorse 14:15 warhorse (u) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 24 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 1d10 kick physical, 1d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, herbivore, infravis 14:15 the MR of pegasus in that case is bad 14:16 I think they are hard to keep alive, should I avoid melee when riding? 14:16 interesting question! 14:16 I remember they often just die when I do melee, and pets regeneration is too slow. 14:16 healing spell is a great help 14:16 Yes maybe I should go find one. 14:17 that's a spell a knight can cast reliably 14:19 Yes, I can now almost reliably cast some level 1 spells already. 14:19 when I don't have healing spell, and need to heal the horse, I take off its saddle (and barding), and throw healing potions at it 14:20 until one hits 14:20 Can't you just wield healing potion and F it? 14:20 you can, but the horse doesn't like that as much 14:21 Lol what means it doesn't like that. 14:21 it gets scared, and loses a point of tameness, I think 14:21 Okay I see. 14:22 throw it an apple afterward, and it won't be scared. maybe that fixes the lost tameness point, too 14:23 anyways, I like to throw. maybe it will hit, maybe it won't. 14:23 and eventually I get an idea of how accurate I am with thrown potions (given my dexterity at the time) 14:24 with high dexterity, the accuracy is pretty good 14:24 I learn. 14:24 Will you kill those knights or the leader in quest? 14:25 I see they may have Sunsword or and the leader wields Excalibur. 14:25 yeah 14:25 I try not to kill the peaceful knights myself, but Arthur I kill 14:25 and if my pets kill the peaceful knights, well, I'm okay with taking their loot 14:26 Okay, I take off my Dragonbane and try to polymorph some dragon maybe. 14:26 (I need to kill arthur because I don't pick up the mirror) 14:26 I used to have a polytrap in quest, but my pet goblin outrider jumps into it deliberately and the polytrap is gone :( 14:27 aw, that sucks! 14:27 You don't want reflection either? 14:27 not this run, no 14:28 horse survival: high max HP is good. resistances are good. 14:28 and when current HP is low, melee is riskier, of course 14:28 barding of reflection is good too 14:28 Wow i got a pet minotaur. 14:28 I heard they can grow into elder minotaur maybe. 14:29 wow 14:29 Heh I didn't know there's barding of reflection before. 14:29 I'd try obtain one later. 14:29 oh yeah, it an awesome item 14:30 you can make it at a forge 14:30 with saddle, plate mail, and shield of reflection 14:30 Good to know that :D 14:30 there is a trick to raising horse max HP 14:31 above 80 14:31 Throw gain level at them? 14:32 that does not work, as far as I know 14:32 unfortunately 14:32 Lol and it's a bit too expensive.. 14:32 or maybe fortunately... high-level pets pick fights with high-level monsters 14:32 there is a hunger cycle with your horse 14:33 it is not-hungry, then it gets hungry, then it becomes "starving, then it dies 14:33 once it becomes "starving", its max HP temporarily gets cut down to one-third of normal max HP 14:35 how is fiqhack difficult 14:35 however, when it kills a monster while starving, its temporary max HP will rise (up to as far as its natural max HP, which is 80 for a warhorse) 14:35 it's more difficult than vanilla, I'll give you that 14:36 Then their max hp will triple after satiated? 14:36 but how is it in the same tier as grunt 14:36 that's just silly 14:36 and, once you feed it so that is not starving anymore, it keeps the new HP it gained while starving 14:36 FIQ: monsters in fiqhack can get confused and genocide you 14:36 that's not possible in grunt 14:36 monsters in fiqhack can genocide your steed 14:37 Evil, genocide you? 14:37 !tell oh6 trap doors in the mines sending you to the main dungeon is not a bug 14:37 I'm on it, FIQ. 14:37 How to prevent that.. 14:37 good question, xdminsy 14:38 xdminsy: don't confuse the monster 14:38 then it will not genocide you 14:38 that is: don't use magicbane 14:38 as for the dog hp thing 14:38 it's pretty silly 14:39 but that has always been a thing 14:39 it's great! 14:39 is there any way for monsters to become confused without your intervention (grudges, pets?) 14:39 idk who thought handling the max hp that way was a good idea 14:39 yes, plenty 14:39 black lights 14:39 actually that might be the only way 14:39 no wait, chest traps too 14:39 fiqhack needs scrolls of undo genocide 14:39 Umber hulk 14:39 pet Umber hulk 14:40 yeah umber hulks too 14:40 but it's not like *any* confused monster can genocide you 14:40 only those that are of your role or race 14:40 They won't quaff potion of confusion themselves? 14:40 Or booze. 14:40 confused monsters genocide themselves 14:40 just like you do 14:40 FIQ! love your variant. played it exclusively for several years before moving on to evilhack 14:41 cool! what did you like about it? 14:41 * tinklebear personally likes fast dragons 14:42 fh dragons was basically me going "ok, what if dragons used 'metagame' tactics" 14:42 they are very cool 14:42 I like #find 14:42 has any other variant picked up #find yet 14:42 it's good stuff 14:42 a shame for it to be limited to fiqhack 14:43 I want to add it to nndnh but it requires all levels to be loaded in memory so I need to do that first 14:44 What's #find, like in dcss? 14:44 To find where're some items or monsters? 14:44 yes (for items. I don't think it works for monsters) 14:44 it is exactly like dcss 14:45 it was actually the first variant i really got familiar with, reinvigorated my interest after getting stale with vanilla after decades 14:45 works on items, dungeon features and traps 14:45 at the time had lots of ui improvements over vanilla 14:45 "at the time"? did the improvements disappear? :P 14:45 im just no longer familiar! i know vanilla has incorporated a bunch of ui stuff recently but i havent kept up 14:45 ahh 14:45 only room in my head for one variant at a time! 14:46 yeah it's true to an extent that vanilla has picked up a lot of qol stuff since then 14:46 iirc it even has autoswap nowdays, which I figured was something it would never have 14:46 (automatically swapping between melee and ranged) 14:46 What's that? 14:47 I don't realize that when I play 3.7 :P 14:47 in fiqhack, and *I think* modern vanilla, there is an autoswap option 14:47 xdminsy: an 80 maxHP horse whose starving maxHP was initally 26, which increased to 36 due to monster kills while starving, will have 90 maxHP after being fed 14:47 it makes it so that if you whack a monster with, say, a bow, and you have a melee in offhand 14:47 it will automatically swap to the offhand melee weapon 14:47 and vice versa if you try to 'f'ire quivererd arrows 14:47 I see, maybe because I hardly use the bow/crossbow. 14:47 *warhorse, of course 14:48 in fiqhack, it also works on polearms 14:48 which, combined with polearm autotargeting, makes them not a huge chore to use 14:48 Okay not triple then no 240 :( 14:48 vanilla has also improved on polearms but not to the same degree 14:48 if you are familiar with dcss 'tab' 14:48 that is basically how fiqhack polearm autotarget works 14:49 Lol I don't even play dcss, but I see the find in tutorial :3. 14:49 I see, in evilhack I apply lance and it auto target. 14:49 xdminsy: do it over and over, and you *will* approach 240 max HP 14:50 <@fredriq> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1249072977660870656/image.png?ex=6665f95c&is=6664a7dc&hm=5f5c8fe2e79dfc8144b1999b329dbc53401da16366a3f8283aeb1f6defbbcf79& 14:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed greased master key of thievery", on T:53169 (1 day, 3:34:11) 14:50 this is what I like using #find for the most in fiqhack 14:50 a horse is hungry for 500 turns 14:50 then starving for 250 turns 14:50 and then dies 14:50 useful if you do stuff like raid fort ludios for items with properties 14:50 unless you feed it 14:50 since you end up with like a million equipment 14:51 so it's a helpful way to filter it 14:51 a food ration for a warhorse (which it will eat when starving) will give it 3,200 turns of not-hungry 14:51 I see. 14:51 vanilla UI improvements did disappear (if you count 3.4.3-NAO UI improvements) 14:51 it has plenty of other uses; finding magic traps if you need to uncancel, level teleporters for fast travel (they don't disapper in fiqhack), invocation items you've accidentally lost, spellbooks, etc 14:51 specifically !classic_status and menu_glyphs 14:52 FIQ I color some items with yellow in vanilla, then list objects to find something. 14:52 xdminsy: that works for the fort ludios case yeah, but not the other stuff I listed :P 14:52 there is a reason I want to see it in vanilla 14:52 Yes, the find is more convenient and useful. 14:53 !classic_status is my code incidentally 14:53 are level teleporters usable if you have MR in fiqhack? 14:53 yes 14:58 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:01 heya FIQ 15:02 sup 15:02 any bugs? 15:04 embarrassing, I have 0 hammers to forge with 15:05 Heh go get gifted Ogresmasher. 15:05 You can make a hammer at a forge, mobileuser, if you have a hammer 15:06 :D 15:06 tinklebear I actually looked up the recipe for warhammer 15:06 only to then realise I would need a hammer 15:06 lolol 15:06 * tinklebear did the same thing 15:06 heh 15:07 FIQ - when are there not any bugs? 15:07 xdminsy only if I ger *really* desperate ;-) 15:07 * get 15:13 Noisytoot: an un-genocide mechanic, of some kind, would be awesome 15:16 hahah, the dbanethacker bones pile had a warhammer, thank you! 15:16 \o/ 15:17 undead turning on a stack of eggs of a genocided species does not produce living monsters, does it? 15:18 maybe it should or could? 15:18 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/25e9eb05bdbb...6a055e2bb9fe 15:18 [EvilHack] k21971 6a055e2 - Fix: crash in relation to tainted (drow poison) objects. 15:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:53883 (1 day, 3:59:39) 15:22 the famed Vorpal Blade, aka Lobotomy 15:24 fix is live, if playing save/reload to get it 15:28 nice 15:30 xdminsy: btw, when I did the max HP thing with pegasus/greater pegasus, I noticed that the gains are truncated to max HP 400 15:31 (ie, you won't obtain 3x natural max HP) 15:37 heh, regular eggs don't seem to stack any more if you have only stethoscoped some of them 15:38 bitfield being flipped most likely 15:42 yeah, it makes sense 15:42 heisenberg egg corollary 15:43 one stack collapsed, one stack in superposition 15:44 I think it is fun to "learn" properties of stackables without formally learning those same properties 15:45 (fun *and* useful) 15:46 "true belief without knowledge" 15:47 fantastic concept 15:47 nethack is so awesome 15:48 :) 15:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Inf Dra Mal Una) averted death (killed by a magic missile), on T:1825 (0:16:49) 15:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Inf Dra Mal Una) averted death (killed by a warg), on T:2128 (0:19:14) 15:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Inf Dra Mal Una) averted death (killed by a warg), on T:2140 (0:19:28) 15:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Inf Dra Mal Una), 1168 points, T:2148, killed by a gnome lord, while attempting to cheat Death 16:05 -!- tinklebear has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:11 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:02) 16:12 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 16:13 xdminsy: "I'm not sure, what's other choice [besides lightning]?" 16:13 fire for undead, frost for demons 16:15 my belief (which may be incorrect) is that if a monster is resistant to fire but not cold, then fire is more effective than shock 16:15 er, I said that wrong. 16:16 "...then *cold* is more effective than shock" 16:17 one thing I can say for certain is this: a lance of fire tears through the VotD 16:27 Oh yes I think maybe regular lance are fine too. 16:27 I realize that actually my need for lightning is for maybe killing Lucifer. 16:27 But maybe I need aklys of lightning to do that. 16:28 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 292406 points, T:30048, killed by a dwarven dresser called Khel the Dresser, while sleeping 16:28 off 16:28 *oof 16:28 No sleep resistance? 16:28 Yes that's hard to get if atheist. 16:28 not enough, apparently 16:29 I was getting there... 16:29 what killed me was being unmounted 16:29 took too much time playing around without a horse 16:29 Oh considering that, what's the advantage of mounting? 16:29 speed 16:30 Only speed? 16:30 Okay. 16:30 jousting 16:30 Oh oh right, I haven't joust yet. 16:30 evil should make you use your steed's carrycap while riding like in dnh 16:31 heh, noisytoot 16:31 tinklebear how you kill Lucifer, aklys or magic missile? 16:31 "Vita Fidelia drops a black dragon corpse" 16:32 Lucifer can be really tough, but the last time I jousted him to death and he never really got a move 16:32 maybe he wielded a weapon, or got one attack in 16:33 K2 compromise idea for draugr and extrinsic ESP: they can't view monsters on the whole level while blind, but can still sense nearby monsters. 16:33 They do have a spark of awareness after all... 16:33 What, jousting can be so powerful. 16:33 it is, but of course it is contingent: it depends on a healthy saddled mount 16:34 and devoting skill points to lance skill 16:34 and maintaining high luck, so you don't lose the lance 16:34 attacked monster can lose all its movement points and becomes stunned xdminsy 16:34 free attacks 16:35 and not riding a pet that can't fly into lava 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:29449 (9:29:48) 16:36 O.o I see. 16:36 and yeah, keep all that up, and jousting is massive 16:37 tinklebear: He is eminently joustable. I shut him down with my centaur knight jousting. 16:37 riding takes up some skill points too 16:38 (if you aren't a freakish centaur) 16:38 :D 16:38 mobileuser interesting 16:39 something to ponder :-) 16:42 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 40 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of earth 16:42 Centaurian knight can joust without on a steed? 16:42 bouquet wouldn't lie. I trust bouquet 16:44 xdminsy: ya, it's very OP 16:44 one thing I think about: how does the speed of a very fast centaur compare to the speed of a fast warhorse? 16:44 (I suspect the horse is significantly faster) 16:45 * tinklebear could be wrong 16:50 I think player centaurs are a bit faster than other races, but I don't know how a centaur with a speed helm compares to a horse 16:52 they are a lot faster 16:52 they start with speed 18 vs 12 16:53 @e?pony 16:53 pony (u) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 16 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Atk: 1d6 kick physical, 1d2 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, herbivore, infravis 16:53 @e?horse 16:53 horse (u) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 20 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Atk: 1d8 kick physical, 1d3 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, herbivore, infravis 16:53 warhorse natural speed is 24 17:02 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:53381 (16:45:31) 17:04 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 17:16 incredibly, I haven't seen any teleport wands yet 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1045 points, T:2337, zombified by a hobbit zombie 17:18 !whereis mobileuser 17:18 tinklebear: [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil]: (Bar Dra Mal Cha) T:55887 Vecna's Domain level: 32 17:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:55891 (1 day, 5:16:11) 17:19 hand of vecna! 17:20 grim! 17:21 * tinklebear gets the shivers from $bodypart of $celebrity 17:24 fitting for a draugr 17:24 :D 17:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) wished for "2 cursed genocide", on T:21158 (3:36:26) 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:21158 (3:36:38) 17:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:21162 (3:37:29) 17:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (black dragons), on T:21257 (3:41:00) 17:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:21258 (3:41:05) 17:43 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) had a helmet entrusted to him by Set, on T:22432 (3:50:58) 17:55 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2366 (0:37:21) 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:754 (0:03:13) 18:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:24633 (4:13:22) 18:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:56476 (1 day, 5:58:08) 18:15 K2 how am I doing only 2 HP damage to a dwarf zombie while dual wielding Angelslayer / Werebane and wearing Hand of Vecna? 18:16 lmao what 18:16 there is something weird going on vs monsters with cold res 18:16 I hardly seem to do any damage 18:17 maybe something weird with hand of vecna that happened as a result of the change that let hand of vecna actually deal cold damage? 18:18 I switched to Angelslayer as primary weapon: 1 HP damage 18:18 Loggers_VIII that could well be the case 18:18 oh my even Dichotomy does 1 HP damage 18:19 K2 this needs urgent fixing? 18:19 just a shot in the dark but maybe hand of vecna makes all your attacks technically considered cold attacks or something 18:19 but I don't think you can do zero damage with a melee attack so you get stuck with the 1 damage 18:20 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3670 (0:15:14) 18:20 and 2 HP whilst dual-wielding 18:20 that is a really terrible bug no matter what's causing it though 18:21 this is pretty unplayable now :-) 18:21 for once it is literally unplayable :) 18:25 Heyo loggers. 18:29 heya xdminsy 18:29 hi, hola, bonjour, boozhoo, etc etc 18:30 ;D 18:31 my AC with armor is now -43, very nice 18:31 however now my hand hurts from chatting to the priest so many times in a row :P 18:31 lol 18:32 !whereis Loggers 18:32 xdminsy: Loggers is not playing. 18:32 !whereis xdminsy 18:32 xdminsy: xdminsy is not playing. 18:32 I get sore hands while altar camoing 18:32 * camping 18:33 doh 18:33 really? 18:33 me too sometimes, #offering and waiting so much 18:33 hi K2, did you see the Hand of Vecna bug above? 18:33 the hand of vecna adds to damage 18:33 yes 18:33 will test 18:34 it's capping damage to cold res monsters to 1 per hit 18:34 (brb) 18:35 lol o h shit 18:35 i see it 18:35 hahahahahaha 18:35 bwahaah 18:36 the bug was always there, but it was never expressed until it was 'fixed' 18:36 if that makes sense 18:36 i'll show ya 18:37 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/uhitm.c#L1759-L1764 18:37 specifically line 1764 18:37 that should be tmp += 0; 18:37 NOT tmp = 0; 18:38 oopsies 18:38 or just remove tmp = 0; altogether 18:38 heh 18:38 gonna test it just to verify 18:39 also, i did the dishes (this is the most important bit) 18:41 \o/ 18:41 DISHES 18:41 yay 18:44 ok so bug confirmed 18:44 now test fix 18:44 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) had a steel chain mail entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:5930 (0:39:12) 18:45 and fixed 18:46 but i noticed something else to that is bugging me 18:46 oh? 18:46 if you're wearing the hand, you don't get feedback in regards to your weapon hitting 18:46 just 'The Hand of Vecna covers the in frost!' 18:47 ah 18:47 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:6365 (0:41:49) 18:47 sounds familiar 18:47 so fix inbound very soon, lemme try to resolve this also 18:47 bedtime for me anyway :-) 18:47 heh 18:47 thanks for fixing! 18:47 thanks for reporting! 18:47 \o/ 18:47 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:50 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) had an axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:6524 (0:45:44) 18:52 something I noticed just now - if your quest leader get angry at you and you leave the quest without completing it, you still get the message 'you again sense pleading for help' when you enter the dungeon level with the portal on it 18:52 feels kind of weird to have them plead for your help after you betray them and they try to kill you 18:53 its prob that way in vanilla too 18:53 yeah 18:54 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) had Dirge gifted to her by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:7544 (0:58:39) 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:7866 (1:03:21) 19:09 same bug the mobileuser noticed with the hand of vecna was affecting burning hands/shocking grasp as well 19:09 gonna fix ALL THE THINGS 19:09 :P 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:8024 (1:04:41) 19:11 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) had a bone ring mail entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:8183 (1:06:27) 19:31 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:10467 (1:11:56) 19:32 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) had a pair of low boots entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:10752 (1:13:16) 19:49 fix incoming, just writing up the commit 19:57 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/6a055e2bb9fe...ccc2e9b00a9e 19:57 [EvilHack] k21971 ccc2e9b - Fix: elemental damage from the Hand of Vecna and other sources was suppressing almost all damage if target resisted. 19:58 all that for what was supposed to be a quick fix :P 20:02 !who 20:02 K2: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil] :: [hdf-eu] post163 [evil] :: [hdf-au] post163 [evil] 20:03 fix is live, if playing, save/reload to get it 20:10 I noticed something weird a couple days ago 20:10 did you look into a mirror? 20:10 :P 20:10 haha 20:10 :D 20:10 sorry couldnt resist heh 20:10 it's a good one! 20:10 from memory: I was in succubus form, riding up from the bottom of the quest 20:11 and when I got up to an upper level, my polymorph ended, and I was then no longer flying 20:12 and then, I think, I rode upstairs, and did enlightenment, somehow 20:12 (maybe wand maybe potion, probably doesn't matter) 20:12 and it said I had 100% fire resistance and was *drain-resistant*! 20:13 hmm 20:13 (I had not yet obtained 100% fire resistance from eating corpses) 20:13 and I'm pretty certain the fire res was not from any external source 20:13 and the drain res? 20:14 totally inexplicable, except for the obvious speculation... 20:14 in demon form you would have had it 20:14 ...that I somehow had preserved the resistances of my polyform 20:14 yeah 20:14 yeah 20:14 easy enough to try and reproduce 20:14 lets see... 20:16 yup its not going away 20:16 really? 20:16 hah 20:16 i think i know why 20:16 does it go away when you dismount or something? 20:16 it was a recent fix to another issue 20:16 no, has nothing to do with riding a steed 20:16 k 20:16 well, cool 20:17 thanks for mentioning that, that's a big one 20:17 also, when I *did* obtain 100% fire res the legit way, the message was "you feel feel totally chill" or whatever 20:17 well shit :) 20:18 yeah 20:18 with doubled "feel" 20:18 oh 20:18 yup my fault 20:18 okay, well, I'm glad it was a real thing and not me just confusing the hell out of myself 20:19 the dbl feel, fixed already 20:20 cool 20:20 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/ccc2e9b00a9e...ac88da0503e9 20:20 [EvilHack] k21971 ac88da0 - Fix: You feel feel completely chilled. 20:20 now onto the other one 20:23 \o/ 20:23 this one is trickier 20:24 to fix it, breaks the initial thing we fixed 20:24 eat dinner instead! 20:24 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/44b8e076015865623ed002fc53420a5303470d01 20:24 already had dinner heh 20:24 what about second dinner? 20:24 mmm good call 20:25 actually i think i know how to fix this 20:30 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 20:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] Spulae (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 206 points, T:284, killed by Gollum 20:44 alrighty fixed it, and preserved the original fix 20:44 wasnt difficult, just had to think about it for a minute 20:50 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/ac88da0503e9...0a71ae101eb0 20:50 [EvilHack] k21971 0a71ae1 - Fix: players were keeping intrinsics gained from subsequent polyform. 20:51 applying that fix, need to make sure no one is playing on whichever server i patch 20:51 !who 20:51 K2: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 20:53 [hdf-au] [evil] omghax (Inf Dra Mal Una) averted death (killed by a bolt of fire), on T:1 (0:00:30) 20:54 [hdf-au] [evil] omghax (Inf Dra Mal Una), 0 points, T:3, killed by a bolt of fire, while attempting to cheat Death 20:55 tinklebear mind saving real quick? 20:55 no problem 20:55 done 20:55 and patched. you can resume 20:55 thanks 20:57 cool 20:58 i feel very productive right now. squashed a few bugs today 20:58 hopefully didnt break other things in the process hah :P 20:58 hehe 21:00 I think my horse is sneaking snacks when I'm not looking 21:00 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, shot herself with a death ray 21:00 spoiling its appetite 21:03 it snuck in exactly 200 extra turns of nutrition. so, apple/carrot/pear 21:04 tinklebear if your existing game, if you polyd and gained/kept intrinsics, you'll probably keep them 21:04 the fix will definitely apply to new games tho 21:04 no danger of that, unfortunately. but cool 21:22 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.2.1] 21:28 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7254 (3:24:48) 21:45 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 21:47 I should poly into something with death resistance 21:50 some might consider that "abusing an exploit". I like to think of it as "capitalizing off of emergent behavior" 22:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed Pelias, on T:27653 (4:52:42) 22:04 nerd 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) had a leather cloak entrusted to him by Set, on T:32828 (5:04:25) 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Set, on T:33520 (5:06:12) 22:18 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha), 19905 points, T:13582, killed by a dark elven watch captain, while frozen by a potion 22:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) had a pair of cloth gloves entrusted to him by Set, on T:33922 (5:09:06) 22:20 lol, Loggers_VIII. I don't think deathlessness is dealt with the same way 22:21 could be wrong! 22:21 death magic res is an intrinsic in the same way as drain res 22:21 I think anything undead has it and all major demons do as well 22:22 so far so good 22:23 in the enlightenment output (which I did not save unfortunately), I don't remember noticing immunity to death magic 22:23 and I do think it is something I would have noticed 22:24 ..but I am wrong all the time! 22:24 that is interesting 22:24 I'm inclined to believe you, but I wonder why it would be handled differently 22:25 well, it's fixed anyway so it doesn't matter :( 22:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:35811 (5:14:38) 22:26 yeah, I considered waiting a bit... if you know what I mean 22:27 lol 22:28 there's a thing with draugr that I haven't told He Who Shall Not Be Named about because it'll help if I do another draugr run soon 22:29 haha 22:31 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:35 -!- tinklebear has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:41 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 22:55 !tell Loggers_VIII spill it! lol 22:55 No worries, K2, I've got this! 22:59 ab 23:02 hi 23:02 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 23:05 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 23:07 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1161 (0:13:21) 23:08 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 238 points, T:1161, killed by a gas spore's explosion 23:33 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 716 points, T:1907, killed by a sewer rat