00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7895 (1:24:18) 00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5329 (0:40:39) 00:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: [Fuck you, AT&T.]] 00:03 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 973 points, T:3162, choked on a quick snack 00:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 00:15 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7413 (0:55:14) 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:8496 (1:11:47) 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 24831 points, T:9212, killed by a goblin-captain 00:17 that game was heavily tilted out of favor for wizards. No spellbooks in nearly 10k turns 00:18 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:8 (0:00:26) 00:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Kni Dra Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3010 (0:19:18) 00:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Kni Dra Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3026 (0:19:47) 00:29 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:8244 (1:08:57) 00:31 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1800 (0:12:46) 00:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:2018 (0:14:46) 00:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a piranha), on T:2293 (0:17:16) 00:37 "You hit the python! It looks momentarily weakened" 00:39 is it one of those coincidently consecutive pairs of messages, where each of the pair describes a separate event? 00:40 There is an elven wizard on the level, that I can see only via telepathy 00:41 so it's probably fighting something 00:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Kni Dra Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4808 (0:36:57) 00:41 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4961 points, T:3031, killed by a dagger 00:41 it's a drow warrior vs elven wizard grudge match 00:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Kni Dra Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:4907 (0:38:21) 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1449 (0:10:10) 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1458 (0:10:21) 00:59 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 01:00 so with draugr knight, for some odd reason, you start with a living horse, and you have to protect it with your very life 01:00 because I'll never be able to another one . . . ? 01:00 correct? 01:01 ^able to tame another one 01:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1117 points, T:4090, killed by a kitten 01:08 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3100 (0:26:03) 01:08 yeah I think so sloppyfirsts 01:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:09 yup domestic animals can't be tamed in the standard way by draugr, just tested 01:10 Oh I know, with other dragur with cats and dogs 01:10 was hoping maybe knights would be a special case somehow 01:10 :) 01:10 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4013 points, T:3718, poisoned by a bone orcish arrow 01:12 Maybe draugr knights should start with a undead skeletal horse. Have it be a bit slower than a living horse.  have it so it has a few resistances.  they also can be found in the wild, but rarely. tame it with a bone. 01:12 undead skeletal dogs (Zero). undead skeletal dragons. 01:13 skeleton horses could be cool 01:13 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L61 01:13 where i Should put my ideas . .  . :) ? 01:14 or, it's in there! like a Prego! 01:14 omg its past 1am 01:14 gnite o/ 01:14 i have a TON of ideads that I think would suit Evil! 01:14 night k2 01:14 gnite 01:15 ah I haven't checked the ether pad in a while 01:15 it's a in there! 01:16 would need bones added to NetHack for taming. 01:16 bones as in skeletal bones... not ghosts.... hah 01:17 maybe they could like meaty corpses or something 01:17 though, I dunno how they would eat them :) 01:17 would skeletal being that have no digestive system consume flesh? 01:17 yeah, OK, you just covered that!  he 01:18 if more skelly monsters get added it could just be made so that skeleton monsters drop bones, then you would have a source of them 01:19 sucks. I saw an opportunity with knight and the horse, and it went down pretty quickly in my game. even found silver spike barding literally  5 turns later! 01:19 unicorn horns are technically already bones but that's not very intuitive to the average player 01:19 aw rip 01:20 I think skeletal monsters in general could be fun. 01:20 I know k2 has mentioned wanting to do something with skeletons 01:20 they're very underutilized at the moment 01:21 right? I want to see skeleton dragons and stuff! 01:21 as they are they do make great pets.  they slow everything down and are stone resistant 01:21 wish you could suit them up, though.  they can come with armor and sword, but if they lose either, they will never use either again 01:22 ah yeah cuz they're dumb 01:22 yeah, they died with thier armor on and sword in hand 01:22 <@fubaz> What’s the deal with glass armor other than not using wands of striking around it? 01:22 shatters in general 01:22 I think if a monster hits it it shatters 01:22 <@fubaz> Is it fragile? Have a glass full plate mail 01:22 I dunno if a cloak protects from that 01:22 you can make it shatterproof with scroll of enchant armor 01:23 be confused when reading scroll 01:23 glass weapons are some of the best in the game . . . if you can make them shatterproof. 01:23 <@fubaz> Yeah had some glass darts and they were good but broke every time used 01:24 <@fubaz> I figured glass full plate wouldn’t work. How is it for heaviness? 01:24 unless you shatterproof it I wouldn't count on that plate mail lasting for very long 01:24 I think it's lighter than normal plate 01:25 yeah if I'm reading the wiki right seems to be around 1/4 lighter than regular iron plate 01:28 <@fubaz> What’s the deal with choking? Do liquids and canned goods not warn about choke? Died to spinach earlier tonight 01:29 if you eat a food item in one turn, you don't get a chance to stop eating 01:29 <@fubaz> Usually i get warning, tried reading wiki and it seems eating while satiated can be unsafe? Unless you have magical breathing or food intrinsic? 01:29 spinach is a lot of nutrition in one turn, so it's semi common to choke on 01:30 <@fubaz> Ah 01:30 and once you're satiated enough, eating anything will choke you without warning, so be careful of that 01:30 <@fubaz> Corpses take multiple turns, canned goods and liquids don’t? 01:30 yeah tins are one turn to eat, liquids one turn to drink 01:31 wow. how unlucky.  level port trap right (near) smack dab in the middle of Minetown with a dragur! 01:31 I don't know if you can choke on liquid. it's never happened to me before 01:31 slime molds and royal jelly also take one turn to eat 01:31 oh damn that sucks sloppyfirsts 01:32 managed to get a stair . . . but of course it is the downstair. 01:33 yeah, I think all potions provide some nutrition, some more than others (fruit juice), and you could technically choke on it, if you are right at the threshold. 01:34 potions are a major part of the liquid diet challenge game 01:34 Potions don't provide nutrition except fruit juice and booze. 01:34 Oh, and water. 01:34 The glass armor is not protected by cloak I think. 01:34 My glass chain main broke and seems my +1 hooded cloak then broke too. 01:35 Then I didn't notice this and step onto a general shop :( 01:35 So will one choke on quaffing fruit juice? 01:37 I tested and it seems like you will not 01:38 did you test while oversatiated? 01:39 status line will not indicate oversatiation 01:39 afaik 01:39 I did 01:39 I ate a black dragon to get oversatiated 01:39 eating a dragon corpse whole should reliably oversati-- yeah 01:39 did you continue chugging juice to be sure? 01:40 yes 01:40 neat 01:40 and then I ate a slime mold and choked on it to be extra extra sure 01:40 @e?black dragon 01:40 black dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: disintegrate | Confer: disintegrate | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 12d6 breath disintegrate, 4d8 bite physical, 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 2d10 engulf digest, 0d0 passive disintegrate | Align: -6 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 01:40 wiki says black dragon corpse is 1500 nutrition 01:40 2000 is oversatiated 01:41 correct 01:41 so, no. black dragon corpse alone is not sufficient 01:41 :V 01:41 you know what I meant 01:41 although, I guess you start out with some nutrition... 01:41 you start with 900, and I started a game and immediately ate one 01:41 so should still work out 01:42 ah, cool 01:46 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5720 (1:37:27) 02:01 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:6570 (1:52:26) 02:07 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:18 Evilhack is sooo hard that there're two elves in main dungeon block my way. 02:18 And there's a chameleon in mines. 02:18 :( 02:18 I'm stuck again. 02:20 Oh well I found that chameleon is peaceful, weird. 02:26 no longer stuck then? 02:27 I'm not sure, I'm XP 9 with -4 AC. 02:27 Still hard to go down :( 02:38 it would seem it would be safe to eat cats and dogs as a draugr, but I do not want to test it. 02:38 I mean, why would a zombie care about puppies and kitties? 02:39 They already have aggravate monsters and lack cannibalism penalties besides 02:41 OK, was wondering if they had aggravate. 02:41 did not know that 02:41 but seemed safe to assume since every time I have gotten Aphrodite level nymps are all aggro immediately 02:42 are you playing draugr knight locally now? 02:44 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) genocided black dragons, on T:42926 (1 day, 18:25:38) 02:44 no, different account 02:44 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:42934 (1 day, 18:26:23) 02:45 excited to play draugr infidel, but it is a bit overwhelming 02:45 was going into Vlad's Tower, then on the the end game, basically 02:45 shit. candles 02:46 polypile, perhaps. 02:47 Vlad's Tower has candles 02:47 accidentally polymorphed my water walking boots while dipping potions, so poly item conduct is gone 02:47 was quite the fatfinger 02:48 fell into water and ruined a bunch of stuff 02:48 ouch 02:48 good to know! 02:48 probably in the chests? 02:49 Top floor 02:49 also, I am really thinking, with all of the resistances, and black dragons geno, it seems draugr may be able to get away with no reflection? 02:50 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 7746 points, T:8539, killed by Ms. Moy; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 02:50 so tired of: remove free action or slow digestion ring, put in bag, take out levitation, repeat — over and over again— in Gehennom's lava fields. 02:50 amulet of flying 02:51 also available in Vlad's Tower :-) 02:52 oh that is probably why you're asking about reflection 02:53 There's a guranteed amulet of flying in Vlad's Tower? 02:53 That's awesome. 02:53 yes 02:54 if disintegration is not a danger, then no reflection is mostly fine 02:55 but getting zapped with lightning can be annoying if you happen to have rings/wands in inventory 02:55 yeah, just found my first amulet of flying a level or two past Vlad's stairs (ladder?). 02:55 knew about the one in Vlad's and was looking forward to it. 02:55 and yes... why I asked, 02:56 I am just so used to wearing dragonbane... 02:56 me too 02:56 wishes with draugr have been drastically diffferent 02:56 Dragonbane is usually my 1st wish 02:57 I often wish for it, but it's also a sac gift if you can wait for it 03:00 dragonbane mania 03:00 * tinklebear shakes head 03:00 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:43729 (1 day, 18:41:48) 03:03 * tinklebear looks up dragonbane in the wiki 03:04 acid resistance too? ludicrous 03:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Kni Dra Fem Cha) averted death (burned by molten lava), on T:13269 (3:01:18) 03:06 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a shield of mobility entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1779 (0:15:58) 03:10 ah, Bishop :-) 03:13 wow. survive lava. loose nearly all your gear. 03:13 cannot believe I made such a rookie mistake 03:13 *mistake*s* 03:14 it's a tough tilt 03:14 The One Ring and some other items may still be in the lava, though, no? 03:14 sure. fireproof bags? 03:14 desperate to get out of a big room situation 03:14 oh I just know items sometimes be in lava in Gehennom 03:15 ^items can sometimes be 03:15 sure 03:16 but if it is player, it will all be scorched? 03:16 if it burns/boils/explodes, then it is gone for good 03:16 if it doesn't, then it's there 03:17 fireproof bags are protected from lava unlike vanilla 03:17 as are non-flammables 03:17 though, testing does bring up something 03:17 inside a fireproof container, stuff is safe, yes 03:18 with wizards I always check to see if any cool items are in the lava. 03:18 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 03:18 !tell K2 as a salamander I can't physically dive down into lava to pick stuff inside it up, but I can still #sit on the the objects 03:18 I'm on it, Umbire. 03:19 !tell K2 ignore previous, can pick up via comma 03:19 No worries, Umbire, I've got this! 03:20 overthought that a bit, but the fireproof container surviving is the important bit 03:20 as is the lava not pouring into a regular sack or bag of holding evidently 03:20 oh I know the fireproof container bit. 03:20 before Hesperides, I always made certain to fireproof my bag. 03:21 was for wiki purposes as much as anything 03:21 I figured. 03:21 fun how things can bring up situations for testing and the like 03:23 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3453 (0:33:19) 03:25 With a urukhai's dragonhide coarse mantelet :D 03:25 My AC is now -9 looks more firm. 03:29 Seems I cannot see #vanquished in evilhack nonwizard game. 03:30 #genocided 03:31 I want to check how many os have been killed by me :D 03:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:31239 (4:27:56) 03:36 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:31842 (4:31:57) 03:40 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1] 03:40 Heh a urukhai give me the Ogresmasher.. 03:42 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a shield of reflection entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4224 (0:52:32) 03:51 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:00 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 32317 points, T:35058, killed by an air elemental of Vhaeraun 04:01 3 zaps of fire cannot kill an air elemental :( 04:03 !lastgame 04:03 xdminsy: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xdminsy/evilhack/dumplog/1717470301.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1717472640.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/l/leafG/evilhack/dumplog/1717442203.evil.html 04:04 that's always the risk of comverting a neutral altar 04:04 * converting 04:05 Oh only neutral altar will summon air elemental? 04:05 I think drow has so few HP that I'm XL 10 but only 50 max hp heh. 04:05 or other types of elemental 04:05 well 64. 04:06 Ah yes, I think earth and fire elementals are slow and can poke them. 04:06 The air one I first met. 04:06 water elemental can be scary too 04:06 Ah yes engulfing, I think I should get out the other wand of fire. 04:06 The game is so hard I'd better play xnethack :( 04:07 ESCAPE :3 04:07 altars are much more likely to give you hostile minions compared to evil 04:07 s/evil/vanilla 04:08 Yes I know that, I previously convert some times and sometimes they re weak. 04:08 But apparently there would be some monsters that are more tougher and I forget :P 04:09 TIL that different alignment altar minion is different.. 04:14 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:45103 (1 day, 19:18:46) 04:15 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:45167 (1 day, 19:20:01) 04:19 Lawful minions are A, neutral minions are E, chaotic/unaligned minions are & 04:22 Oh I remember Alex and Couatl are easy to deal with. 04:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:16909 (6:52:29) 04:36 aww, no elves... 04:37 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1016 points, T:2539, killed by a mountain dwarf 04:38 "Sting duty *again*? No way, we're on lunch break." 04:46 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 12007 points, T:4549, killed by an invisible leocrotta 04:47 Ooh, the UI has changed. 04:52 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Rog Elf Mal Cha), 32 points, T:184, killed by a fox 04:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:17407 (7:03:03) 04:52 lol tinklebear 05:00 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 515 points, T:1053, killed by a sea tortle 05:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:85864 (2 days, 1:35:19) 05:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:85865 (2 days, 1:35:30) 05:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:608 (0:02:34) 05:46 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 05:48 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:46999 (1 day, 20:43:52) 05:49 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47002 (1 day, 20:44:09) 05:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) killed Graz'zt, on T:86890 (2 days, 2:09:23) 05:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:3636 (0:17:44) 06:18 -!- sloppyfirsts has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:18 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:20 hey krm26 06:20 hola! back from scotland but lagged to the moon 06:20 krm26: Message from K2 at 2024-05-23 10:50 EDT: don't wear dragonbane while riding your dragon steed, that's what caused your game to become corrupt. it's fixed for next version. miss you already lol 06:21 d u u u u. i was so zoned out and had been riding my dragon for so long i didn't even remember i was riding 06:21 i'll probably die immediately going back to that game after a week and a half off, i remember nothing 06:23 Welcome back krm26 \o. 06:23 how has the start of junethack been 06:24 new version is fun, I've already ascended panda jedi 06:24 uuhhh draugr monk 06:24 draugr released? 06:24 but that was a game started last month 06:24 yeah 06:26 Yes and the first evilhack ascension in junethack are waiting for you :D 06:26 once the lag wears off.... 07:20 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:22 krm26 \o/ 07:22 K2: Message from Umbire at 2024-06-04 03:18 EDT: as a salamander I can't physically dive down into lava to pick stuff inside it up, but I can still #sit on the the objects 07:22 K2: Message from Umbire at 2024-06-04 03:19 EDT: ignore previous, can pick up via comma 07:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:46 i guess ill need to play on the eu server 08:25 why? 08:27 I'm guessing he still has that game on US where he was riding a dragon whilst wearing dragonbane 08:28 no, that was restored back to an earlier save 08:28 i think to a point before he was gifted dragonbane 08:29 yes, and if he wants to play a game that counts for junethack, he will have to switch to EU 08:29 that's the page i'm on 08:30 welp, guess you're headed back to scotland 08:30 gotta have that low ping 08:32 what is the draugr role of choice mobileuser? 08:34 i see nethackscoreboard is unaware of draugr 08:36 it is 08:36 maybe refresh the cache krm26? 08:36 ah maybe 08:36 man, no blessed amnesia ever for draugr 08:37 !8ball what is the draugr role of choice 08:37 mobileuser: Outlook not so good 08:38 why not? 08:38 infidel! 08:38 they can read scrolls 08:38 8ball only does yes/no types of questions 08:38 :-P 08:38 !8ball should mobileuser be doing the dishes right now? 08:38 K2: Better not tell you now 08:39 pffft 08:47 nice, this time I got pet Dagul instead of hostile Dagul 08:50 HAX 08:50 :P 08:50 !8ball will mobileuser's pet balrog turn on him? 08:50 K2: My reply is no 08:50 lucky... 08:55 -!- chao has joined #evilhack 08:55 -!- stenno is now known as Guest4033 08:55 -!- Guest4033 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 08:55 -!- chao is now known as stenno 08:57 heheh 08:57 A dark elven watchman yells:  "Another zombie!  Attack!" 08:57 over to you, Dagul 08:57 enjoying draugr? :) 08:57 no I HATE it :-P 08:58 GOOD! 08:58 evil zombie! 09:10 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Graz'zt, on T:47964 (1 day, 21:23:15) 09:20 E-VEEL 09:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4909 (0:26:29) 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Magician, on T:5551 (0:35:07) 10:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Pri Trt Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3658 (0:23:07) 10:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Pri Trt Mal Law), 4192 points, T:4425, diseased by a drow zombie 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:6563 (0:54:05) 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 7197 points, T:6613, killed by a piranha 10:25 oh I completely missed the commit with the new rules for object/magic detection and containers 10:25 is that live yet? 10:26 I guess so, since there was a bug fix commit after that 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:50597 (1 day, 22:41:01) 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) used a forge to create the Armor of Retribution, on T:50644 (1 day, 22:42:15) 10:39 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:41 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:50914 (1 day, 23:02:51) 10:52 YES full ID on my last ID scroll 10:53 endorphin rush 10:55 yay! 10:55 heh 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51066 (1 day, 23:14:01) 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:51072 (1 day, 23:14:54) 11:04 funny that identifying the One Ring doesn't identify "lustrous ring" 11:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Mon Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a piranha), on T:1876 (0:18:43) 11:06 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:20 [hdf-au] [evil] leafG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by life drainage 11:24 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:51381 (1 day, 23:37:35) 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1733 (0:12:40) 11:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Mon Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a lynx), on T:5913 (0:48:35) 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:1803 (0:13:41) 11:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Mon Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a giant mimic), on T:6993 (0:56:45) 11:44 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Mon Dra Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:7186 (0:58:13) 11:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Mon Dra Mal Cha), 12079 points, T:7882, petrified by a cockatrice, while attempting to cheat Death 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:51719 (2 days, 0:12:05) 12:00 mobileuser, for the last 10 years i played vanilla before starting evilhack literally the only reason i played was to occasionally get full ids 12:02 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 14 arrows on an altar, on T:5057 (0:39:13) 12:02 i forget, because i am old and senile. is junethack when i go around begging for a clan invite? or is that the other one? 12:03 you should join the surly dinos 12:08 well, my 2m invite timer expired, so clanless it is :-) 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the giant high priestess of Moloch, on T:51908 (2 days, 0:22:51) 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:51910 (2 days, 0:23:08) 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Lucifer, on T:51944 (2 days, 0:29:31) 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered Purgatory, on T:51962 (2 days, 0:31:53) 12:33 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Saint Michael, on T:52095 (2 days, 0:46:45) 12:34 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:10401 (1:29:56) 12:36 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2813 (0:28:35) 12:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:52355 (2 days, 0:56:39) 12:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:19816 (8:37:54) 12:49 elves are still on their lunch break 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:26333 (18:51:19) 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of reflection, on T:13788 (1:54:47) 13:01 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:52773 (2 days, 1:14:07) 13:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:339 (0:02:01) 13:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:19926 (8:45:00) 13:08 unfortunately I have a pet now 13:09 at least it's out of the way 13:13 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (antimatter vortices), on T:5744 (1:04:57) 13:13 i thought cleaver was changed to not kill pets 13:14 in an effort to further antagonize the paranoid water crowd 13:14 is there a way to wake Master Kaen up besides cursed invisible ! ? 13:14 gjallar 13:14 I can probably just melee him at this point 13:14 i just still dont' have MR and want to get Eyes 13:14 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Erithrecta's ghost, the former Magician, on T:15928 (2:10:23) 13:16 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 12 arrows on an altar, on T:5821 (1:08:06) 13:21 stuck in a gel cube without magical breathing. I've got force bolt, cancel, a leather drum... what are my options? 13:22 I have a scroll of earth in my bag, not sure if that'll help. 13:22 not burdened thankfully 13:23 earth wont help 13:24 force bolt is unlikely to kill it before you die 13:24 although it is possible (bolt bolt bolt prayer bolt bolt bolt maybe) 13:25 it's the new bolt spell. 13:25 and I have expert in attack spells 13:25 ah well then maybe? 13:25 so it knocks back. 13:25 cant knock back when inside 13:26 (one assumes) 13:26 cancel won't help? 13:26 cancel wont accomplish anything 13:26 traditional methods other than ranged/spell kill before suffocation are teleport and dig 13:26 genocide of course 13:27 ya, dig is my usual go-to, but no dig :( 13:27 or geno 13:27 I have magic missile too 13:27 taming maybe? 13:27 magic missile can kill one fast enough at high enough level 13:28 lvl 9 13:28 i mean, i wouldn't take it to the bank. outside, bouncing the spell, much more likely 13:28 i dont think you can scare cubes with drums but dont quote me on it 13:29 what is the new bolt spell? 13:30 i have killed them with magic missiles from inside 13:30 lvl 9 might do it 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:53072 (2 days, 1:43:41) 13:31 I'm not sure new force bolt will do it, but it's hella good outside a gelcube 13:32 what is new force bolt?!? 13:32 is there a change log or something to the "new" stuff? 13:32 sorry. I know you're being strangled 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4484 (0:29:12) 13:33 heh 13:33 i learned force bolt in my game. Is it a new spell ? Or is there a different new one ? 13:33 I'm in a work meeting while my elf gets strangled on the other screen :P 13:33 hehe 13:33 it's the same thing, but I don't know if it's different for other classes 13:34 oh 13:34 that cleared it up 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (human zombies), on T:4543 (0:30:12) 13:34 i hate those fucking things 13:34 (gelcubes) 13:35 play a draugr then rebatela 13:35 i like how k2 hates pirhannas now 13:35 well i'm super careful. haven't died to one in a while, but they used to just ruin my day (cubes) 13:36 still happens though 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) genocided orc zombies, on T:4544 (0:33:38) 13:38 hopefully this 150 potion is invisibility and not monster detection.. I've barely seen any identify scrolls in this game either 13:41 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:6873 (1:33:01) 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 71460 points, T:18700, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster 13:42 "TH:14" what's a TH? 13:42 to hit 13:42 14 is mid. 13:44 what's the consensus on escaping this gelcube? Force bolt or magicmissile seem to be my two best options 13:45 how many turns have you taken while strangled? 13:45 just got engulfed. Haven't taken a turn yet 13:45 not burdened so that's good 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4184 (0:45:51) 13:47 lets look at the code to maximize our damage 13:47 i'm getting annoyed with all these new spells and shit. I never know when things are added. It makes it harder to price id. Like there used to only be a handful of lvl 6 spells so you could eliminate which one it might be but then it's like "acid blast" or "magic detection" and there's no reference of any of that stuff . And i feel ike magic detecdtion was like 200 at first and then 250 and now 300? 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:53313 (2 days, 2:00:14) 13:47 the wiki is a decent reference rebatela 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Black Horse, on T:53318 (2 days, 2:00:47) 13:48 uhhh yeah that's kinda my point. If you rely on the wiki none of the new stuff in evil is on there 13:48 like if you are looking at the price id page 13:48 give me a sec to find my code bouquet 13:49 there used to only be a handful of $300 scrolls or lvl 6 spells so by process of elimination i coudl guess what it is 13:50 actually the wiki keeps causing me to guess wrong becuse none of the evil stuff is on there at all 13:50 still true isn't it? 13:51 150 base scroll is genocide, punishment, magic detection, stinking cloud 13:51 just one additional scroll in evilhack (i confess i begged k2 to move it into the 150 category to make that category more diffuse :-) 13:51 what about charging? 13:52 yeah charging too my bad 13:52 just the normal vanilla 4 + magic detection 13:52 he changed the price to 250 13:52 then to 300 13:52 what? 13:52 but it is not listed in the wikii 13:52 regardless 13:52 sell price of those changed? 13:53 10 days ago they were all still 150 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:5682 (0:49:30) 13:53 i didnt think anything but wands of death, wishing, and nothing sold for 250 (plus the 50*level spellbooks) 13:54 and like with spells there used to only be 4 lvl 6 spells so if you knew 3, you could assume the 4th 13:54 and i just did that and then the spell was acid blast 13:54 which is a new spell not listed 13:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] damerell (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3932 (0:35:45) 13:54 K2: you got any input on magic missile or force bolt to escape a gelcube? 13:54 i'm not trying to argue. I don't think you understand what i'm talking about 13:55 it's like there are one or two added here and there, and no one has updated the wiki so i don't know how to keep track of it 13:56 acid blast has been around for like 3-4 years rebatela 13:56 ok 13:56 rebatela: all the new stuff worth looking up is in the evilhack wiki exclusively. I think Umbire is slowly parsing things out into their own articles. 13:56 i mean, since the first day i played evilhack 13:57 i'll explain another time 13:57 i guess i started playing evil when its wiki presence was VERY minimal. i just hung out here when i was confused or needed sanity checks 13:57 the current article on the wiki doesnt capture everything, but it captures a LOT 13:58 and any time something new changes a commit note floats through this channel 13:58 i think the magic detection scrolls were originally $100... 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:53416 (2 days, 2:11:15) 13:58 then you complained and he made them 250 13:58 but they were too easy to ID 13:58 i gotta say, of k2's two good qualities, one of them is documenting his work :-) 13:58 so now they are 300 13:58 oh... I can't cast spells because I can't chant the incantation. 13:59 im not sure what numbers you are using rebatela. the only meaningful number to use is full sell price (now 150) 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:27049 (19:52:06) 14:00 omigod i am going to starve to death as a draugr....surrounded by food rations 14:00 k2, the potential draugr resurrection -- assume there is a check so it cant happen when you starve to death? 14:01 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:6955 (1:52:51) 14:01 it's almost as if not everyone's brain works the same way... "Sell" ? By whom? The wiki uses Base Cost 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27073 (19:53:44) 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 6635568 points, T:53445, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/g/gdiist/evilhack/dumplog/1716885149.evil.html 14:02 grats gdiist! 14:03 congrats gdiist! 14:03 congrats! 14:03 rebatela, no matter what race combo you and the storekeeper are, you can always uniquely determine the price category by the sell price 14:03 so that is what i've always used 14:04 and the new version has just been released, it takes time to update everything on the evilhack page 14:04 mobileuser, did you have starving problems with your draugr? 14:05 and the wiki doesnt mention it -- are draugr NOT immune to lycanthropy? seems weird 14:06 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 21573 points, T:11500, suffocated by a gelatinous cube 14:06 welp... 14:06 sorry bouquet! 14:06 :( 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:5511 (1:06:16) 14:07 my only regret is that I died in sokoban and couldn't leave some sweet-ass bones 14:08 krm26 yes 14:08 starving problems 14:08 you need to carefully time your prayers 14:09 and slow digestion is pretty important of course 14:09 but I think you still revive after starving to death 14:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] damerell (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 7790 points, T:4984, killed by a giant leech 14:09 <@physercoe> ths ~ 14:09 <@physercoe> lost my hammer of God and pegasus~the taming seems to be more hard than before,many woolly mammoths are peaceful rather than tame~ 14:10 <@physercoe> I am player gdiist 14:10 yeah taming rules were changed 14:10 grats on the ascension! how did you lose your hotdog? 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:29407 (7:01:11) 14:10 I think max pets is now charisma divided by three 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29411 (7:01:26) 14:12 <@physercoe> my pegasus on first air planes killed.and did not find corpse 14:12 probably for the best. No more bouquet the wizard and his menagerie of 20 black dragons :) 14:12 the max pets thing is going to make the wizards tower even more of a slog, sigh 14:13 I like that it makes buffing charisma a worthwhile goal. 14:13 <@physercoe> I did not notice the hammer of god was also dropped by some monsters 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:5947 (1:12:20) 14:13 i dont lke that i can ever be satiated as a zombie. when are zombies ever satiated? 14:13 but you are breathless, so just keep eating 14:13 you can't choke 14:15 i just want the message suppressed :-) 14:15 plus you don't have to worry about gelcubes :P 14:16 well, you wont die to suffocation, but they can para you 14:16 so you still need some ranged attack 14:17 not ever getting telepathy is a bit irritating 14:17 need my dragonhide t-shirt of esp wish 14:17 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1] 14:21 and some armor of fire 14:21 armor of fire? 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:365 (0:16:42) 14:25 man, i was all excited about walking through water in gollums cave to get the ornate key, when i luckily realized my lock pick would rust away 14:26 draugr can only get 50% intrinsic fire res 14:26 so you need an extrinsic source for 100% 14:26 oh ouch 14:26 he just did that so he could pretend the mitre was good didnt he 14:27 lol 14:27 i assume all the shopkeepers and guards and crap wanna kill me? 14:27 turn lawful and wish for the mitre! 14:27 guards yes 14:27 shopkeepers just bar you 14:28 k 14:30 k2: orc mummies are peaceful to my orcrist-wielding draugr 14:31 oh krm26 cha + unaligned priests are peaceful, the others will try to kill you 14:32 whee 14:34 i am afraid to spend skill points since i'll never get blessed amnesia 14:36 why do you believe you'll never get blessed amnesia? 14:37 never have the int for it as draugr, right? 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:30143 (7:18:09) 14:39 WoW on the floor... 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1910 (0:31:21) 14:39 WOW 14:39 !! 14:40 yeah, i'll take it! 14:40 mobileuser, is there anything besides eggs or lizard corpses i can carry for food? 14:40 no idea how many charges. I think i've seen 2 ID scrolls this whole game 14:40 and yet you didnt wish for a spellbook of identify :-) 14:40 krm26 nothing 14:41 not all that rare in vanilla, but that is super fucking rare in EH 14:42 and in vanilla it isn't automatically 1:x, but again i'll take it :) 14:44 I feel that black pudding should be fine for draugr, but it isn't... 14:52 krm26 pssst... tin openers... that's all I will say 14:53 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:8527 (1:49:08) 14:56 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:58 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 15:00 you lost me mobileuser 15:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 10176 points, T:8597, zombified by a dwarf zombie 15:05 edible damage, mmm 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:32652 (7:41:49) 15:07 is there anything i can do about that or am i chaotic for good now? 15:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:08 you can remove the helm 15:08 and i just have to buy protection again? 15:08 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1943 (0:17:27) 15:08 now you just need to find a lawful one and you can have ALL the artifacts 15:08 your protection should be fine? 15:09 nah you lose it i think 15:09 or i did anyway 15:09 wasnt aware the helms made you lose protection 15:09 i had like +12 15:09 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:11 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed mithril amulet of unchanging", on T:27753 (21:03:51) 15:13 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:17 interesting wish 15:17 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:11474 (3:09:27) 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:2750 (0:42:05) 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a shield of mobility entrusted to her by Odin, on T:2918 (0:44:31) 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3773 (0:31:32) 15:23 When worn, the shield confers free action. 15:23 sweet 15:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had an alchemy smock entrusted to him by Set, on T:21814 (9:29:05) 15:23 yup. if only it could be bone! 15:24 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:26 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 15:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had a steel axe entrusted to him by Set, on T:21875 (9:31:47) 15:26 can vibrating aquare now be closer than 23 paces from up stairs? 15:27 i think so (doesnt matter any more for ascension) 15:28 one of the more annoying aspects of *Hack.  usually have to scour the level 2 or 3 times to find the darn thing 15:28 confused scroll of gold detection 15:29 i don't want to donate to the minetown priest again because they are coaligned 15:29 doesn't matter? hmm? you no longer need to find the square? 15:29 you dont ascend back through that level 15:29 gonna save and donate to moloch priest and then kill them and donatre to my priest 15:29 well, you still ahve to get to the Sanctum? 15:30 the distance requirement was, i assume, to make sure you had to traverse part of the level on the way up 15:30 but it is no longer part of the way up 15:30 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 4 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of earth 15:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had a spear entrusted to him by Set, on T:22532 (9:36:14) 15:31 I know Wizard has a whole tower now and Sanctum has been revised. 15:32 thought the way of doing it was still the same, just expanded 15:32 how are you supposed to figure out what to do? 15:32 nope -- after grabbing the amulet you fight through purgatory and then pop up in the castle 15:32 but yes, confused scroll of gold detection to find the vibrating square 15:32 what are in the in-game hints and guidance 15:32 the Oracle? 15:33 the oracle, his magic 8 ball, random engravings 15:33 but evilhack is very unforgiving if you do it totally unspoiled from vanilla :-) i gave it a shot for a while and then was in this channel begging for info in just a few months 15:34 well, yeah, I am utterly confused now. 15:34 I do not need to do the vibrating square? I do not do the Invocation to enter the Sanctum? 15:34 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Sanctum for spoilers 15:34 yes you need the vibrating square 15:35 I thought, find square, go to Rodney for Book. 15:35 you can find that with confused gold detection 15:35 Do invocation, Sanctum, and the nbPurgatory., 15:35 yes 15:37 your original question was: can vibrating aquare now be closer than 23 paces from up stairs 15:37 krm26 was just trying to say the distance is pretty irrelevant 15:37 you still need to do the invocation 15:37 so, you no longer need to do exhausting traversing through the dungeon to level 1 and exit? 15:37 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:12675 (3:29:10) 15:37 but said it was no longer needed for ascension through me off 15:38 misunderstanding, he was just saying it's not relevant for going back through gehennom 15:38 because you skip gehennom and end up at the castle 15:39 righto 15:39 now what was that tin opener comment mobileuser! 15:39 that was the complete hint krm26 ;-) 15:39 gdmmit 15:39 before the powers that be get a snifff 15:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:23165 (9:40:59) 15:51 how come i am always playing the same race/role combo as you mobileuser except 7x as slow 15:51 I think you are actually a little bit faster 15:52 but I have a bit of a headstart 15:53 sudo shutdown now 15:53 whoops! 15:53 just trying to move to the room with the AC... 15:53 i found a 1:2 wand on the floor in evilhack... I can't screw this up again 15:54 sudo mv . /home/livingroom 15:54 hehe 15:54 i wish... i think i can make it 15:54 brb 15:54 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 15:58 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:02 i always forget whether it's pythons or cobras that can drown you. That'd be a shitty way to go 16:02 (it's pythons) 16:03 heh I remember finding out pythons could drown you 16:03 I found out on medusa's level :) 16:03 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:04 yeah that's where i am 16:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 16:04 slowwwww digestion, yeah! 16:04 i still need it too! 16:04 fucking sd 16:05 been crushing these damn rations 16:05 but yeah, loggers. exactly. medusa everyone forgets those snakes can do that 16:05 i have polymorph now so i will get slow digestion soon enoughj 16:06 slow digestion as draugr seems pretty mandatory 16:06 was down to my last egg 16:06 draugr can remain in hungry states longer similar to convicts 16:06 but not long enough 16:06 it's not much of a benefit 16:07 both as draugr and convict I never take advantage of that outside of very early game 16:07 oooh gdiist ascended 16:07 nice 16:08 there's some more tweaks i wanna do with draugr, but not until after june. bugfixes only during tournament 16:08 and at least one tweak is save-breaking 16:08 k2, are draugr not lycanthropy-immune? 16:08 no they arent 16:08 which is weird 16:08 yeah 16:09 i dont think undead as a whole are immune to it 16:09 but then i watch underworld movie series again 16:09 and go 'oh its ok' 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:28491 (22:02:13) 16:10 kate beckinsale 16:10 other thing ive noticed so far is that as draugr wielding orcrist i can find peaceful orc mummies 16:10 guess you could argue that is fine since they are brainless 16:10 elven/drow/orc undead lose pretty much all of the racial stuff 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:7089 (1:32:34) 16:10 including material hatred 16:12 krm26: Don't eat unidentified eggs. It might be a cockatrice egg. 16:13 do it 16:13 no balls 16:13 cockatrice balls 16:13 eww 16:13 yuck 16:13 if i can eat a scotch egg i can eat a cockatrice egg 16:13 although i guess i cant eat a scotch egg any more 16:14 Eggs are annoying since you need to identify each one you find to make sure it's not a cockatrice egg 16:15 nope 16:15 just keep one known-standard egg around and stack-test 16:15 can you type-name standard eggs? 16:15 no 16:18 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:38198 (8:39:21) 16:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:20 sssshhh mobileuser is back! 16:20 oh hai 16:21 i gotta mow the lower garden again before it goes nuts (again) 16:22 i dont wanna 16:22 mobileuser! mow for me and i'll do your dishes 16:22 oh hi! :-) 16:22 o/ 16:22 was busy reading the irclog :-P 16:22 lol 16:22 NOOOO 16:23 hey where did rld go 16:23 Noisytoot blessed stethoscope is an easy way to ID eggs 16:23 TIL 16:24 done my dishes already K2, sorry! 16:24 ... 16:25 if youll pick me and my cool zero turn mower up in your rivian i'll mow it for you k2 16:25 gonna mow, then do dishes 16:26 you have a zero turn? 16:26 <--- jealous 16:26 yeah it was a huge upgrade, SO MUCH better than a pony 16:26 FINALLY a smoky potion at t38627 16:26 and yeah lemme just enable submarine mode in the truck, be right over 16:26 i wonder what it is 16:26 ocean is quicker 16:26 although it might not be as good on real grass -- the crab grass that passes for lawns here is pretty tough 16:27 i cant use a zero turn, i'm on the side of a hill 16:27 they dont do well on slopes 16:27 at least that's what I am told 16:27 is eating a co-aligned unicorn bad? 16:28 probably 16:28 they have a much lower center of gravity than ponies do, which is good -- but all their weight is on the back tires, which is bad 16:29 the google says 'You should not operate on a slope greater than a 5.4 foot rise over a 20 foot length (15 degrees).' 16:29 so you can mow straight down a much steeper slope than you can drive up 16:29 yeah, the problem is the weight distribution -- which is also the problem for delicate grasses, the rear tires can churn stuff to mush on sharp turns 16:29 i think part of my yard is greater than 15º 16:30 or if not, close to it 16:30 yeah not worth the risk 16:30 i operate mine on slopes as great as about 22/23 degrees, but carefully 16:30 across vs up/down? 16:31 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:8749 (1:53:03) 16:31 perpendicular, otherwise the heavier rear tires drag your butt around 16:31 and i've only had to chain it out of my back pond once! 16:32 i just watched a video of a guy on a zero turn showing what happens if you try to mow up/down 16:33 even across was a bit dicey 16:33 he slid 16:33 * K2 adds lawn tractors to evilhack 16:34 most of the work already done! 16:38 heh 16:38 ok... mow time. get this over with 16:38 bbl 16:41 krm26: i wasn't trying to argue about price id before, i just have always thought about it all being that first column where it says "base cost". That's the price of the items in my mind https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Price_identification 16:42 so like, enchant armor and remove curse are $80 scrolls... Obviously things go into what they charge you etc. 16:43 the selling price column is much easier for evilhack price id 16:43 so i was saying, that magic detection i think was originally $100, then $250, and now it's $300 16:44 yes... i get that 16:44 let me look up the current price for you 16:44 what? 16:45 base price is 100 says the wiki 16:45 I'll verify in the code... 16:45 are you trying to be funny? 16:46 no, I am trying to be helpful 16:46 i understand price id 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 58269 points, T:9717, killed by a soldier ant 16:47 I am trying to find the correct price of magic detection for you. If the wiki is incorrect, I can correct it 16:48 has nothing to do with what we were talking about earlier, but thanks! 16:48 all good 16:48 although the magic detection price has changed 3 times 16:49 well "i think was originally $100, then $250, and now it's $300" just want to check the latest correct price for you 16:50 i think we all know the price now? 16:51 yup, you were right with 300 currently. I'll edit the wiki. 16:54 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 16:54 somehow I had 150 in my head, but that is because I always use sell price 16:56 I've added it to the evilhack page, the article on magic detection mentions 2 variants so that gets a bit complicated 16:56 3 variants even 16:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2637 (0:23:45) 16:59 already handled 17:02 ah nice! thanks 17:03 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 0 points, T:245, zombified by a diseased kobold corpse, while helpless 17:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:24174 (10:05:14) 17:07 -!- sloppyfirsts has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:09 k2: leprechauns dont seem to ever wear the one ring when they nab it? 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4388 (0:42:17) 17:16 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 17:20 that's weird 17:20 gollum does 17:21 crazy gnats swarmed my face and ears 17:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:24940 (10:21:02) 17:21 gonna start wearing mosquito netting 17:22 I don't think antimatter vortices are on the evilhack page yet 17:22 another todo noted 17:22 there are some monsters missing from the list 17:23 newer demon bosses too i think 17:23 any monsters besides unique ones? 17:23 -!- sloppyfirsts has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:23 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 17:23 probably. i'd need to do a thorough look 17:24 cooling down before i hit the shower, i hate it when still sweating after you get out of the shower 17:24 and you need to update the wiki for shambling horrors gaining an ability every time one is killed 17:24 -!- sludge__ has joined #evilhack 17:24 lol 17:24 krm26 lol 17:26 -!- sludge_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:31 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:20413 (5:22:50) 17:32 -!- sludge__ has quit [Quit: Farewell!] 17:32 -!- sludge_ has joined #evilhack 17:34 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed +1 spear on an altar, on T:4808 (0:54:05) 17:36 the only point i was trying to make about price id... it wasn't a numbers thing. it's just when you're used to there only being three potions with base price 300 (gain level, gain ability, paralysis) and you have ID'd 2 of them, you assume you have the 3rd and then it's like some new item Dragur Phlegm, and everyone else knows about it becuse they are active in the channel etc. it can trhow you off 17:36 I wasn't arguing about prices or anything lol 17:37 and I played this game long before there was a wiki so I don't expect it to be updated... It's more a ME problem for relying on it and thinking it was like vanilla 17:37 the spoilers have actually "spoiled" me 17:39 but it goes across the board. You can't use the vanilla price id i gues is my point because there are new items so process of elimination doesn't work 17:39 i wasn't even complaining 17:43 i love all the new stuff 17:43 i just am always suprised when I think i have something and then it's something complertely new. Bring it though!! 17:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:10415 (2:15:37) 17:52 -!- rld has joined #evilhack 17:52 -!- mode/#evilhack [+v rld] by ChanServ 17:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 15286 points, T:15552, killed by Mr. Hebiwerie; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 18:02 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:04 how do I passify a shopkeeper who's just angry because I exploded a tin in his face 18:04 ? 18:12 1000zm 18:14 or taming 18:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2619 (0:21:28) 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12816 (2:55:11) 18:24 bouquet - you assert dominance 18:24 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 18:25 new item: ball gag 18:25 hah no 18:27 too slexy for evilhack? 18:27 to meh for anything 18:27 eww 18:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3794 (0:36:29) 18:41 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5911 (1:47:13) 18:41 can't believe I spelled pacify "passify" 18:41 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:14151 (3:19:22) 18:49 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 18:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:5190 (0:52:42) 18:56 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:01 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 19:13 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 19:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5530 (1:13:18) 19:23 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Trt Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 19:40 -!- sludge_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6310 (1:45:25) 19:41 -!- sludge_ has joined #evilhack 19:45 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby red dragon, on T:21129 (2:12:16) 19:47 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (mind flayers), on T:8859 (2:53:35) 19:51 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) had a shield of reflection entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:21917 (2:18:23) 19:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha), 41394 points, T:22653, petrified by a cockatrice, while attempting to cheat Death 19:58 !lastgame 19:58 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1717461401.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Sorcerer/evilhack/dumplog/1717313026.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1717541597.evil.html 20:01 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 20:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a glass helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:8930 (2:02:17) 20:09 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3095 (0:11:06) 20:09 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (calcium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 20:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:14 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4365 (0:16:24) 20:15 bouquet  I cannot believe I spelled threw "through" earlier. 20:17 sloppyfirsts: we'll both have to sit in the corner :( 20:17 just found it funny you mentioned that 20:18 pet peeve of mine 20:18 your not the only one 20:18 what is there secret? 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:4807 (0:20:13) 20:19 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10453 (3:25:09) 20:29 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5815 (0:31:06) 20:29 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a dwarven watchman), on T:5817 (0:31:10) 20:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:15498 (3:38:59) 20:30 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha), 7216 points, T:5988, killed by a gnomish watchman, while attempting to cheat Death 20:37 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:16007 (3:45:40) 20:37 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible damerell's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:21115 (6:00:46) 20:38 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1733 (0:07:02) 20:43 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a piranha), on T:2946 (0:12:54) 20:44 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 19273 points, T:11676, killed by a tortle priestess of Quetzalcoatl, while vomiting 20:47 that's awesome 20:47 'while vomiting' 20:48 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.2.1] 20:50 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Bar Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by the Goblin King), on T:2092 (0:12:44) 20:50 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Bar Dra Fem Cha), 1626 points, T:2095, killed by the Goblin King, while attempting to cheat Death 20:50 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "bob", on T:4082 (0:22:09) 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by the Goblin King), on T:4091 (0:22:27) 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4092 (0:22:30) 20:56 <@fubaz> Ate a stalker corpse and forgot about the stun effect 20:57 <@fubaz> Had a unicorn horn but didn’t use, oops. YASD 20:57 <@fubaz> What’s recommended for pathing around water? `_` automove? 20:58 [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22576 (6:21:56) 20:58 I guess 'paranoid water' is not cheating. 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Kni Dra Fem Cha), 5706 points, T:5207, killed by a fire ant, while attempting to cheat Death 20:59 you can change a setting so it asks you if you are sure you want to go into the water. 20:59 !lastgame 20:59 sloppyfirsts: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1717547460.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1717545127.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1717541597.evil.html 21:00 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had 17 shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:39146 (9:06:51) 21:00 <@fubaz> Can i store options on hardfought? 21:00 yes 21:00 hit j to manage configs 21:01 from main menu 21:03 food time, bbl 21:09 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:18172 (4:18:04) 21:23 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 21:38 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:11711 (3:10:14) 21:41 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 21:49 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:50 [hdf-us] [evil] ratinthecat (Bar Cen Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1369 (0:24:52) 22:05 shop on dlvl 2 - You see here a magical trident named Angelslayer (for sale, 20000 zorkmids). 22:12 'You begin praying to Lolth. You are surrounded by swirling shadows.' never gets old 22:20 a conduct for Evil seems quite obvious: "You never consumed the undead." 22:20 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 22:21 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2320 (0:23:13) 22:29 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 22:34 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2143 points, T:4566, killed by a bolt of cold 22:39 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 22:43 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3278 (0:44:48) 22:43 havent used a weapon at all so far 22:51 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (illithids), on T:1 (0:00:04) 22:51 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:22581 (5:15:02) 22:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a spellbook of cancellation given to her by Lolth, on T:22641 (5:16:59) 22:56 @loggers_viii you around? 22:57 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 22:59 <@Umbyre (he/him)> @loggers_viii oi 22:59 <@Umbyre (he/him)> dunno how the last one didn't ping 23:02 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 23:16 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22 [hdf-au] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 23:22 [hdf-us] [evil] ratinthecat (Bar Cen Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an owlbear, on T:4143 (1:56:57) 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] ratinthecat (Bar Cen Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4520 (2:03:51) 23:43 K2: finally found "burning hands 23:45 works when I hit unarmed. Not sure it did much good 23:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a staff of divination entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:26948 (6:05:29) 23:50 K2 or terrapin, questions re: the magic chest "object" 23:50 -!- sloppyfirsts has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:50 trying to discern weight, cost and other qualities and unsure how to parse its lines