00:03 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 00:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6058 (1:18:58) 00:30 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20436 (11:15:42) 00:33 -!- Frozty has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering a chameleon corpse on an altar of Odin, on T:7503 (1:37:04) 00:48 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 00:56 ab 00:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Ran Hob Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:17690 (7:59:13) 00:58 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±10] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/a74de2f36f8a...157374306da5 00:58 [EvilHack] k21971 d12e25a - Draugr gained intrinsic changes (fire res, ESP). 00:58 [EvilHack] k21971 04157e6 - Include a few more races for boulder breaking chances. 00:58 [EvilHack] k21971 1573743 - Small tweak to Draugr eating feedback. 00:58 -!- xdminsy has quit [Quit: xdminsy] 00:59 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2273 points, T:4265, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 01:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed the invisible Lolth, on T:77196 (9:41:53) 01:03 some lava demons from the lava room in the wiz tower summoned here, she just got disintegrated :) 01:04 Oh right, once I do all this dragon stuff I have to quiz jonnadab and ais re: their variants 01:09 isn't nethack4 almost totally just interface and QoL changes 01:10 fourk has ancient dragons btw, in case you wanna cover those while you're dragoning 01:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:77455 (9:49:31) 01:11 latest commits live 01:13 -!- mode/Hecubus [+Ziw] by Hecubus 01:13 -!- silver.libera.chat changed the topic on #evilhack to: EvilHack: a NetHack variant ¤ https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack ¤ public irc logs available at hardfought.org ¤ version 0.8.4 available for public play on #hardfought ¤ see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack for gameplay information ¤ Bug tracker and future development ideas - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack ¤ https://redd.it/1d00gi8 01:13 -!- mode/#evilhack [+v Hecubus] by ChanServ 01:15 gnite o/ 01:16 night yo 01:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:77586 (9:54:51) 01:16 heheh I illness'd him and then he teleported away and died on the stairs 01:17 'night 01:17 gnight. 01:17 ooh nice! also go Loggers go! 01:17 seems like he might have died over open air. to the final demon level! 01:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:77976 (9:59:22) 01:21 yep 01:23 I feel like I should have gotten divine protection since k2 pushed that fix, so I went to the wizard's tower to clear the first 2 floors but got sort of hyped up and ended up killing him 01:23 :) 01:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:78137 (10:02:29) 01:24 ok gnite for real. go Loggers_VIII 01:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed the illithid high priestess of Moloch, on T:78179 (10:03:13) 01:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:78184 (10:03:22) 01:25 night! 01:25 see how quick I killed the priest after entering the sanctum? the wonders of phasing 01:27 @e?balrog 01:27 balrog (&) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -2 | Atk: 8d4 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical | Align: -14 | flies, thick hide, seeinvis, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis, demon 01:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed Lucifer, on T:78337 (10:08:59) 01:30 nasty fucker 01:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) entered Purgatory, on T:78373 (10:09:56) 01:33 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed Saint Michael, on T:78506 (10:13:04) 01:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:79056 (10:17:34) 01:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:79487 (10:21:06) 01:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:79636 (10:25:05) 01:47 annoying, gremlin on water 01:48 aw, marker dried out, no woollies for me 01:49 lord please don't let the first rider I run into be famine because if it is I will die 01:49 amen 01:50 hey can we talk about how fucked up it is that if you one shot a rider with SoA they instantly revive and go back to full health? I think that's bullshit and stupid, frankly 01:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:79675 (10:29:04) 01:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:79676 (10:29:07) 01:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:79763 (10:32:58) 01:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:79772 (10:33:19) 01:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) killed the White Horse, on T:79776 (10:33:35) 01:55 Wow. 01:55 I am going to die holy fuck 01:55 why are all 3 riders in the same fucking spot 01:56 we are making a tactical retreat 01:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:79827 (10:35:26) 01:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Law), 2250209 points, T:79827, ascended (in dishonor) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1716772454.evil.html 01:57 Grats loggers. 01:57 fuck that, my ass is ascending 01:57 thanks! :) 01:57 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 01:57 Awesome ascension :D 01:57 "Death is caught in a spiderweb" 01:57 tinklebear: Message from K2 at 2024-05-29 08:07 EDT: found the cause of those conducts mysteriously going away, working on a fix 01:57 tinklebear: Message from K2 at 2024-05-29 13:48 EDT: MR/reflection conducts are fixed, will prob need to start a new game for it to fully be in effect 01:57 lol 01:58 all 3 riders in the same location, I decided I'd ascend by whatever means necessary :P 01:58 * tinklebear laughing at Death in the spiderweb 01:58 spiderwebs are one of the most troublesome traps, even Death can fall victim :D 01:59 I got stuck in the same cobweb so serves him right 01:59 heh :D 02:00 :D 02:00 first 0.8.4 ascension, first draugr ascension and first convict draugr ascension. I'll be signing autographs later tonight :P 02:00 wonder if shadowrider will ascend his parked con dra 02:02 You are the champion \o/. 02:02 congrats! 02:04 maybe he'll do it honorably and one up you 02:04 I look forward to seeing the first MR-less ascension (probably from tinklebear) 02:05 even shadowrider isn't getting out of a situation like that honorably! 02:06 well, maybe he could. he somehow manages to keep surprising me with his skill 02:06 what is the situation? 02:08 I got surrounded by famine+death+pesty in the bottom-middle bottleneck 02:09 played the brave brave sir robin gambit and ran back to the first altar to take my chances that the helm of opposite alignment I had been saving was lawful 02:10 what is the other gambit? 02:10 the brave brave sir loggers gambit, where you die to the riders 02:10 lol 02:10 -!- mariari has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:11 I'm sort of proud I lived. I have a habit of getting to astral, freaking out and then dying in a totally preventable way 02:11 Cool decision. 02:11 You turned yourself to neutral before? 02:12 yeah, I made the sword of annihilation but I had no longsword skill so I converted to neutral to get vorpal blade 02:12 he may have sorta kinda accidentally done what he just described 02:12 if you die a lot on astral, you probably learn a lot about how not to die there 02:13 well, I didn't *die* 02:13 :D 02:13 Lol I think the opposite alignment thing are just what he intended. 02:13 that's true. I've died in some very silly ways and now I will never die in those ways again 02:13 Flip the coin and it's lawful :D 02:14 -!- mariari has joined #evilhack 02:14 I've never been a religious man, but I felt as if some divine providence was sent my way when that helm turned me lawful :P 02:16 in any case it's 1am for me so I should go to bed 02:16 night all - adios, au revoir, sayonara, goodbye, baamaapii, etc etc 02:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:18 adios, loggers, nice dream. 02:22 One that has became all 3 alignment in one game may worth a conduct. 02:22 It's really rare even than some conducts. 02:23 This reminds me that i'm not sure if you guys heard of three kingdoms. 02:24 The general Lü Bu has betrayed 2 times and follow 3 leaders. 02:24 woah. the three alignment thing. that's really cool, xdminsy 02:25 i didn't realise that 02:25 if someone hasn't read three kingdoms, odds are they've played dynasty warriors 02:25 Yes loggers was chaotic in the start, then changed to neutral and ascended as lawful lol. 02:25 wow 02:26 That's super super rare and I think converting one's alignment is already super rare. 02:33 alignment grand tour 02:41 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 02:46 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:46 !tell bouquet congrats! 02:46 No worries, mobileuser, I've got this! 02:46 !tell Loggers_VIII congrats! 02:46 Will do, mobileuser! 02:47 oh bouquet is bouquet_ 02:47 ah well 03:13 -!- xdminsy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:17 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 03:20 -!- xdminsy has quit [Client Quit] 03:22 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 04:12 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:23639 (13:07:53) 04:17 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:19 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:26 Status of Master Kaen (male, chaotic):  Level 24  HP 13(105)  AC -15, infected by a zombie 04:26 heheh 04:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dra Fem Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:33473 (18:22:32) 04:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dra Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33475 (18:22:52) 04:48 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:51 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 05:11 I find that black dragons and basilisk have no hand to throw potion of paralysis 05:12 But seems they can drop the potion of paralysis beforehand then kick it. 05:14 they can kick potions of paralysis at you?? 05:14 or do you mean if you are polymorped into one? 05:20 Yes selfpoly. 05:23 That would help if miss a lot :D 05:27 clever! 05:31 !tell K2 Infidel uses their fire horn a lot for early game survival. Maybe give draugr starting jacket a fire res prop? Evil tradeoff: AC sucks, normally you would swap it asap for something better. 05:31 K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, mobileuser. 05:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dra Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:33742 (18:40:50) 05:33 lazy wish 06:01 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 06:43 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 06:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dra Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:34719 (19:15:20) 06:49 I got a spear from a spear trap! 06:49 the fix works \o/ 06:57 -!- mode/Hecubus [+Ziw] by Hecubus 06:57 -!- lead.libera.chat changed the topic on #evilhack to: EvilHack: a NetHack variant ¤ https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack ¤ public irc logs available at hardfought.org ¤ version 0.8.4 available for public play on #hardfought ¤ see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack for gameplay information ¤ Bug tracker and future development ideas - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack ¤ https://redd.it/1d00gi8 06:57 -!- mode/#evilhack [+v Hecubus] by ChanServ 06:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:01 -!- K2 has joined #evilhack 07:01 -!- mode/#evilhack [+o K2] by ChanServ 07:03 \o/ 07:03 K2: Message from mobileuser at 2024-05-30 05:31 EDT: Infidel uses their fire horn a lot for early game survival. Maybe give draugr starting jacket a fire res prop? Evil tradeoff: AC sucks, normally you would swap it asap for something better. 07:04 congrats @loggers_viii 07:10 hmm no :) 07:14 don't infidels start with fire res? 07:18 typically yes 07:21 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:28 -!- Frozty has joined #evilhack 07:59 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:59 lol 08:00 poor draugrs killing themselves with their own fire horn when they can't even cast spells 08:04 heh 08:07 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:08 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:740 (0:03:45) 08:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 240 points, T:812, killed by a boulder 08:24 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/157374306da5...af61e0478b35 08:24 [EvilHack] k21971 af61e04 - Prevent phasing in more areas of the Sanctum. 08:24 !who 08:24 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 08:26 laser targeted at @loggers_viii 08:27 well not him specifically 08:27 but no one should be able to just waltz right into the inner sanctum untouched 08:37 you deleted some iron bars? 08:38 if so, at least it makes it easier for non-phasers (no more monsters shooting at you behind iron bars or passing through them) 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:575 (0:03:34) 08:46 yes 08:46 and non-phasers have to go through the drawbridge anyways 08:46 no real good reason to go out onto the lava unless you're phasing 08:47 (and you better make sure you're flying also if you do that) 08:48 certainly not targeted at loggers Umbire, I have done the same using the staff of archmagi and others have too 08:48 i would have liked to keep the iron bars, but i dont know where in the code you make iron bars non-phase if embedded in a non-phase wall 08:48 was joak 08:48 anyway what artifacts are completely immune to black dragon disintegration again 08:48 rather than just 95% to resist 08:49 I know there's Dbane and SoA 08:49 yup those 08:49 and SoA is indestructable all the way around 08:50 Copy 08:50 plus Idol of Moloch and invocation items and amulet of yendor of course 08:51 and armor of retribution, not that you'd hit anything with it 08:51 you could wield it :-) 08:52 Hand of Vecna too I think? 08:52 YANI: The Mitre of Holiness should have a similar damaging effect against attacking undead and demons as Dragonbane in EvilHack does against dragons 08:52 mobileuser, good catch 08:54 it's 5% disint res required in order to not immediately die, right? 08:55 yeah 08:55 you'll take significant damage instead 08:56 someone was saying that % should be on par with poison res level and instadeath 08:57 nah 08:57 intrinsic disint res sources are still p. rare even though there's actually more than 1 now 09:11 on which note, dragons passives don't trigger if you attack them while they're digesting you, right? 09:11 @ K2 09:11 they do 09:11 i think 09:13 You smash the black dragon. Your club disintegrates! The black dragon digests you! 09:15 K2 maybe still a bug with draugr and moloch priests 09:16 priest was peaceful when I entered the temple, but 09:16 when I chatted to the priest I got: 09:16 "Pilgrim, I would speak no longer with thee." 09:16 and he's angry now 09:18 flashback to luxidream riding the priest 09:18 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3222 09:18 oh wow it is actually #1 on nhqdb now 09:19 oh wait it was qt riding luxidream 09:20 and then qt riding a priest 09:21 resulting in "Pilgrim, I would speak no longer with thee" :') 09:21 that was such a funny bug 09:21 "Who will ride me of this meddlesome priest?" was a good line too 09:21 heh 09:21 terrapin just pointed out a spot in the code i missed concerning draugr and unaligned priests 09:21 5% disint res also uh 09:21 stops armor being disintegrated right? or no 09:21 we'll fix that here soon mobileuser 09:21 i actually only learned later to what that is actually a reference 09:22 thx K2 09:22 Umbire, no 09:22 killed the bastard :-P 09:22 heh 09:22 then what's required if anything 09:22 outside of the extrinsic 09:22 thomas beckett gets killed with hilarious unexpected consequences 09:22 much to the dismay of henry 2 09:23 who will rid me of this turbulent stenno 09:23 D: 09:23 * K2 slaps stenno around a bit with a large trout 09:23 D: D: 09:23 I tried qt but he's still here 09:23 he is immune to trout slapping 09:23 I am powerless 09:23 * stenno shall be declared saint and martyr 09:24 i don't think you become a martyr by surviving being slapped by a trout 09:24 may my untimely demise plunge the realm into chaos 09:24 yeah i guess i survived 09:24 never mind then 09:24 hahah 09:24 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:24 lol 09:24 well you might still die for the faith later on, don't fret 09:24 may my continued existense benefit the prosperous realm 09:25 but yeah, is it the extrinsic only that stops armor etc. being disint'd by the beams K2? 09:25 only items that give disint resistance and invocation items always resist disintegration. the player's resistance or lack thereof has no affect 09:25 oh beams, nvm 09:25 i thought you were still on the passives 09:26 reflection or 50% disint resistance will protect your shield and armor and whatnot from beams 09:26 yeah my be 09:26 b* 09:33 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1096 points, T:3291, killed by a garter snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:33 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Dra Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1572 (0:10:41) 09:35 terrapin does 50% disint resistance also protect your shield and armor from the destructive gaze of beholders? 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a giant bat), on T:1927 (0:12:02) 09:35 for gazes 5% is enough 09:36 ah nice, thx! 09:36 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Mon Trt Fem Law), 407 points, T:828, burned by molten lava 09:36 shield/armor are only destroyed if you would otherwise be instakilled 09:36 si 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1985 (0:15:56) 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (locusts), on T:2050 (0:16:44) 09:41 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Black_dragon 09:41 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Blue_dragon 09:41 sticking here to catch anything I missed 09:42 *that isn't FIQ, Fourk or Hack'EM because I have to do whole other passes and research for that shit 09:45 !1d7 09:45 Umbire: 6 09:46 just remembered something right after the die roll 09:47 green be next 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Dra Fem Cha), 3890 points, T:3057, killed by a hobbit pickpocket, while attempting to cheat Death 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1804 points, T:3045, killed by a rothe 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:412 (0:02:20) 09:51 thanks mobileuser 09:51 not sure why the _ won't go away. 09:51 -!- bouquet_ is now known as bouquet 09:51 there 09:51 bouquet: Message from mobileuser at 2024-05-30 02:46 EDT: congrats! 09:52 heheh 09:52 I think I was logged in twice. 09:52 I run irssi in tmux on a multiuse server 09:52 probably started a second tmux session or something 09:54 not sure if anyone else has done giant samurai ascension. It's not just easy, it's crazy fun with the boulders and the 25 str/con and the punching dragons! 09:57 terrapin, 5% res prevents the instadeath but you still take significant damage 09:58 bouquet I have done a giant samurai a long time ago, but I found having to wear an MR amulet instead of flying pretty difficult 09:59 I think the first time I died in the sanctum in lava because I forgot I wasn't levitating 09:59 only for gazes 09:59 as i have learned the hard way 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1354 points, T:2043, killed by a hill orc 10:02 annoying 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:434 (0:02:23) 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 685 points, T:1583, killed by a bugbear 10:26 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Armor_of_Retribution 10:26 knocking this out on the side, prompted another question 10:26 K2, the check for popping the armor off intact applies to monsters as well, right? 10:43 K2 did you know that Loggers had to wish for a pick-axe because he randomly got teleported into a vault and the guard was angry and wouldn't let him out? 10:44 bug or feature? :-) 10:45 i remember this being brought up with vanilla nethack 10:45 i think aosdict did something about it in xnh 10:45 something along the lines of, a vault is not considered a safe space to randomly tele into 10:46 Right, there's cases where the guard insta-angers 10:46 so no path gets made 10:46 mobileuser, so not intentional per se 10:46 copy 10:46 however, it does feel evil 10:47 hmm 10:47 !8ball should vaults and random teleport be addressed? 10:47 K2: Most likely 10:47 well there ya go 10:47 lol 10:47 :) 10:48 trapdoors, levelporting? 10:49 no idea what the amount of smop is 10:49 it all falls under the same umbrella 10:49 i'll look and see what xnh did 10:54 did that happen as convict? otherwise the vault guard would be peaceful 10:55 I suggested giving the vault guard a pickaxe as a solution to this in dnh but disallowing random teleports into vaults is probably a better solution 10:55 it happened as draugr convict 10:55 but this applies to all draugr 10:55 because zombie 10:56 I think it would also apply to all unpolymorphed convicts 10:56 * draugar 10:57 is that the plural of draugr? 10:57 Yes 10:57 says wikipedia 10:57 can draugar read spellbooks at all? I just assumed they couldn't... 10:57 I'm p. sure they can read, just won't learn the spell 10:58 why do you ask 10:58 oh for confused casting 10:58 saving booze etc. at the moment 10:59 yeah they can try to read a spellbook, but wont work 10:59 exception is the book of the dead 10:59 they can read spellbooks, but nothing will come out of it except getting consudes 10:59 *confused 11:00 ah interesting 11:01 so if I keep a blessed spellbook on me, I have an easy way to become confused? 11:02 sounds like it 11:02 does that increment the read counter also? 11:07 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 221 points, T:1070, killed by an exploding chest 11:30 Umbire I would imagine so, but would need to look 11:31 there's also a chance the spellbook gets ripped apart when trying to read it 11:33 isn't that while already confused? 11:35 I'm more asking if the effect that confuses them from the initial reading attempt also increments the read counter 11:41 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±6] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/af61e0478b35...12968f555585 11:41 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 5917c16 - Fix: unaligned priests were hostile to Draugr II 11:41 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin b9f0937 - Abused pets can turn hostile when untamed 11:41 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 12968f5 - Limit number of pets you can have 11:46 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/12968f555585...a4dcdc52b97f 11:46 [EvilHack] k21971 a4dcdc5 - Fix: unleash pets affected by wielding/wearing a bane artifact. 11:48 ^ this is all live 11:48 -!- Frozty has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:49 unleash the pets!! 11:49 \o/ 11:49 extra bonus points if pet == kraken 11:49 yes 11:49 was the 'leash under the door' thingy fixed in vanilla by now? 11:49 oh gish 11:49 gosh rather 11:49 dunno 11:50 istr that was one of the few 3.4.3 bugs 11:54 play a bit of slash'em, then work on whatever the die rolls for me next 11:55 !1d6 11:55 Umbire: 5 11:55 orange it is then 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:8785 (1:51:35) 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 14677 points, T:9302, killed by a water moccasin, while dressing up 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu), 255 points, T:691, killed by a wand 12:28 -!- Demo1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28 -!- Demo has joined #evilhack 12:30 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 12:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1930 (0:13:05) 12:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Bar Dra Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (water nymphs), on T:2004 (0:14:14) 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3022 (0:28:54) 12:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Bar Dra Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3123 (0:21:28) 12:47 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a dagger entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:3617 (2:11:56) 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4340 (0:39:53) 13:04 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 13:05 <@loggers_viii> that pet quantity change sucks for draugr 13:06 nothin' a lil' excellence can't solve 13:08 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:10 -!- sludge_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15 <@shadow_rider> grats loggers! 13:16 thanks shadowrider! 13:16 Loggers_VIII: Message from mobileuser at 2024-05-30 02:46 EDT: congrats! 13:16 and thanks mobileuser! 13:18 congrats Loggers_VIII 13:18 hacker! HAX 13:18 lol 13:18 thanks k2 :) 13:18 a little sad about the sanctum becoming less phase-friendly :P 13:19 with phasing being more common, steps had to be taken 13:19 ab Loggers_VIII 13:20 armor of retribution's up and dragon article work is underway 13:20 yo umbire 13:20 epic 13:20 in the event you have anything to provide for either 13:20 probably not but I'll look at them and see 13:22 blue black and green are done so far, currently parked on orange 13:23 so I can start on it once I get done with SLASH'EM for the day 13:25 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Bar Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a rothe), on T:4821 (0:39:47) 13:31 surprising non-fix commit all of a sudden 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Bar Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper), on T:2285 (0:11:33) 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Bar Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper), on T:2286 (0:11:43) 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Bar Dra Mal Cha), 1462 points, T:2286, killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper, while attempting to cheat Death 13:35 some weapon of excellence for my draugr monk and careful counting then I guess 13:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dra Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:35700 (20:20:39) 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6080 points, T:6190, killed by a tengu 13:48 mobileuser what's surprising? 13:48 other than Loggers_VIII hax 13:49 a substantial non-fix commit for this version 13:49 the pet thing? 13:49 yup 13:49 not too surprising. i've wanted that in the game for quite awhile. last minute 'what features do we want to see' before freeze for june 13:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:52 disenchanter in castle... without magic missile I don't have a good anti-disenchanter strat yet... 13:52 already used my geno scrolls on nurse dancing 13:56 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 14:11 ah ok, I didn't even get confused trying to read a spellbook, so this is not an eazy-get-confused strat 14:11 SCIENCE 14:11 \o/ 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:6996 (4:00:40) 14:43 Loggers_VIII what happened to your mithril bracers? 14:45 <@loggers_viii> a beholder disintegrated them in the hidden dungeon 14:46 <@loggers_viii> because of the idiotic “if you can see a monster, they can see you” rule 14:48 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:50 <@loggers_viii> also K2, when you instakill a rider with the SoA they instantly revive with full HP. to me, this is silly and it makes the best weapon in the game non viable for the most dangerous monsters. It feels more like a bug than a feature, and is consistently frustrating 14:51 ah ok 14:51 riders cant permanently die 14:51 <@loggers_viii> I know, but couldn’t they just have disintegration resistantance? 14:51 <@loggers_viii> I don’t want them to be disintegrated, I should clarify. But having SoA be an active *detriment* against them is weird to me 14:52 then use a different weapon? I'm not seeing a problem here. the riders have always behaved this way in terms of being disintegrated 14:53 this goes back a loooong time 14:53 if anything its a kind of check against the SoA, it's uber OP as is 14:54 <@loggers_viii> it’s dumb balance and design wise to have one of the best weapons that you have to sacrifice two other amazing artifacts to make suddenly suck shit in the most critical point of the game 14:55 why don't they just have disintegration resistance? 14:55 <@loggers_viii> that is a great question!!! 14:55 other methods of killing them don't make them insta-revive with full HP 14:56 ask the devteam 14:57 i did nothing to how the riders behave when being disintegrated 14:58 hey bhaak, how come the riders dont resist disintegration? 14:58 wtf 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 8091 points, T:9521, killed by an Uruk-hai 14:59 <@loggers_viii> I get that there’s nothing logically wrong with the sequence of events. It’s an example of emergent behavior hurting the player rather than helping; it’s just lame, especially since the player has no control over when SoA disintegrates something. It doesn’t feel evil in an intended way, it feels like an oversight 15:00 <@loggers_viii> though I guess it’s an easy way to farm rider kills, so silver lining :P 15:00 \o/ 15:03 <@shadow_rider> why are there so many evilhack trophies 15:03 <@shadow_rider> i thought it would be a cute goal to try to get all of them but that doesn’t seem realistic 15:04 gonna ask bhaak to add 4 more 15:05 3 new conducts plus one new big baddie 15:05 <@shadow_rider> 😶 15:05 <@shadow_rider> what are the conducts 15:05 unnethack and evilhack are great for plussing up on trophies 15:05 conducts are 'never forged an artifact', never had MR' and 'never had reflection' 15:06 <@shadow_rider> yeah forget that goal 15:06 MRless has been done 15:06 <@shadow_rider> i’m sure it has 15:06 <@shadow_rider> grats to whoever did that 15:06 recently 15:06 tinklebear did it 15:06 before the conduct existed tho 15:06 inspired me to actually make it 15:07 <@shadow_rider> does evilhack patch the op polyform nurse dance trick 15:07 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:07 <@shadow_rider> eh i don’t have time to do allat anyways 15:08 i'm not aware of that trick 15:08 do tell 15:08 <@shadow_rider> take too many rhns 15:08 <@shadow_rider> runs 15:08 <@loggers_viii> if you nurse dance as polyform there’s no limits on the HP you get I think 15:08 <@shadow_rider> or maybe i shouldn’t in case you try to make a last minute commit :PP 15:09 for real? poly into and the nurses never tele away? 15:09 <@shadow_rider> no not quite, it’s just that there is no reduction of hp gain based on your current max 15:09 i think it's just that you don't get fewer hit points when you already have a lot? 15:10 <@loggers_viii> yeah. There’s no cap on the MHP you can get 15:10 i always assumed it was intentional and balanced by the fact that you can't keep them if you poly again 15:10 <@shadow_rider> that would be my strat/consolation for doing mrless or reflectionless 15:10 <@loggers_viii> MR-less is going to be in junethack? There goes my hopes for all trophies :) 15:11 <@shadow_rider> the key would be amulet of unchanging 15:11 <@shadow_rider> so that you can retain all the hp 15:11 <@loggers_viii> keep that psycho conduct away from the average player :p 15:11 <@shadow_rider> loggers how about you and i team up 15:11 <@shadow_rider> we could try to get all them tgt 15:11 <@loggers_viii> sure if you do MR less 15:12 <@shadow_rider> sure you can get everything else 15:12 do MRless + no relfection 15:12 no balls 15:12 <@loggers_viii> I think I can feasibly do any other trophy (including reflectionless maybe) 15:12 <@shadow_rider> sure i’ll do both 15:12 *reflection 15:12 in the same game 15:13 <@shadow_rider> if i don’t win any runs i blame k2 15:13 :P 15:13 i said 'no balls' so now you have to 15:13 <@shadow_rider> pretty much 15:13 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:13 heheh 15:14 reflectionless is probably not so bad. 1) avoid black dragons until you eat tal'gath, 2) win 15:14 <@shadow_rider> i did reflectionless mrless in vanilla, and we know that 3.7 is a harder game than evilhack 15:14 <@shadow_rider> evilhack has mega bag of holding after all 15:14 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 15:15 yeah pfft 3.7 way harder than evilhack. omg 15:15 :) 15:16 evilhack gives you op artifacts! 15:16 unplayable! 15:16 lol 15:17 oh speaking of easybabyhack, i just remembered---i feel like diluted !oFH should only heal 200 HP 15:17 it's sort of funny that evilhack can have ridiculously op artifacts but it's semi-balanced since it's so hard 15:17 terrapin good call 15:17 * terrapin ducks a rotten tomato 15:17 * Loggers_VIII readies another tomato 15:19 that's such a sad idea. my 13 diluted potions of full healing will become more like 8 diluted potions of full healing 15:19 don't ask for the math on that 15:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:20 honestly unless i go really overboard on alchemy i probably am only using !oFH to heal <200 HP anyway 15:21 surprised i didnt do anything about diluted !oFH earlier. many other diluted potions have diminished effects 15:21 I like to let my HP on astral get to around 5% before I quaff full healing 15:21 next you'll be saying a diluted potion of invisibility should only make you half invisible 15:21 just makes your ass invisible 15:21 can see the rest of you 15:21 or translucent 15:21 diluted gain level gives half of the xp needed for the next level... 15:21 heh 15:22 diluted potion of levitation means one foot still has to touch the ground 15:23 the year is 2045... k2 has made all potions useless in their diluted state... only 5 HP from full healing... -1 level from gain level... acid explodes... booze doesn't confuse... 15:24 hah 15:24 this will happen if you nerf diluted full healing. I can see the future. applaud my scrying aptitude 15:24 if evilhack is still played 21 yrs from now... wow 15:24 i'll be in my early 70's and prob be too senile to code anything 15:25 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/a4dcdc52b97f...082a47298211 15:25 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 082a472 - Diluted potions of full healing heal less HP 15:26 the beginning of the end 15:27 heh 15:27 release of 0.8.4 was too nice, needed to bring some evil back into it 15:27 Loggers_VIII suggested it 15:27 😮 15:28 You_feel("completely healed."); 15:28 how could you, Loggers! 15:28 heh 15:28 message needs adjusting terrapin 15:28 I think I'll still be playing evilhack in 21 years, unless I die 15:28 though I guess that goes without saying :P 15:28 ooh good point 15:29 qt is a lot younger than I am, I'm assuming terrapin is younger. hopefully they'll carry on the code 15:30 400 limit on undiluted FH terrapin? 15:30 could also swap out 'younger' with 'smarter' 15:30 that's always been the case 15:30 huh? 15:30 the 400 limit 15:30 weird name for the potion then :-) 15:30 that 400 limit yeah that's vanilla code 15:31 I guess I never actually needed to heal more than 400 15:31 hmmm 15:31 I like terrapin's comment in the commit 15:32 so I in vanilla you get the message "fully healed" even when not fully healed? 15:32 how often do players go above 400 hp? 15:32 not very 15:32 in evilhack plenty of players do 15:32 lies! 15:33 Loggers_VIII propaganda 15:33 terrapin just ascended with like 650 HP lol 15:33 lol 15:33 https://nethackscoreboard.org/ascended.evil.html 15:33 see the max HP 15:33 HAX 15:33 HAX HP 15:33 lol 15:33 heh 15:36 poor krm26 will feel forced to have twice as many diluted FH potions on the asc run now :-P 15:36 aww 15:37 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2550/source 15:38 woah, you can't wish for diluted potions 15:38 really? 15:38 huh 15:40 wish for uncursed water and dip 15:40 you can in 3.7 so it must be an evil/3.6 issue 15:42 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/082a47298211...0473e3ee4769 15:42 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 0473e3e - Fix: Potion of full healing messaging 15:44 the FDA recommends it be called a "potion of significant healing" 15:44 i really hate objnam.c 15:45 rename it to potion of critical healing to parallel the new spell 15:45 its better in 3.7 15:45 more betterly 15:51 'you feel mostly harmless' 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 667 points, T:1705, killed by a potion of acid 16:03 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed mithril amulet of unchanging", on T:26683 (16:19:10) 16:04 baby orange dragon revision in queue, brb 16:04 nobody puts baby in a corner 16:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:07 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/0473e3ee4769...6d75000173ee 16:07 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 6d75000 - Fix: don't undilute potions in set_material() 16:07 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 16:09 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:10 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:10 nice fix terrapin 16:11 "That's a lawsuit waiting to happen." :') 16:11 heh 16:11 brb 16:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 713 points, T:847, killed by a large kobold 16:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class b), on T:23 (0:00:17) 16:19 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 16:21 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 16:22 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 277 points, T:488, poisoned by a rotted giant rat corpse 16:23 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:25 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 374 points, T:1222, killed by a large spider 16:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) murdered Fido, her faithful little dog, on T:166 (0:02:13) 16:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dra Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide toque of frost", on T:37147 (21:21:04) 16:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dra Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide bracers of fire", on T:37148 (21:22:11) 16:38 don't you just hate it when those dark elven soldiers start messing up the castle with darkness 16:38 damn those drow 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 395 points, T:2070, killed by a little dog 16:45 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:48 @mobileuser why wishing for extrinsic fire and cold? crowning doesn't solve that? 16:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1990 (0:27:00) 16:50 dingotron draugar get only max 50% intrinsic fire resistance 16:50 -!- Frozty has joined #evilhack 16:50 ahh 16:50 so it's good to have an external source for 100% 16:51 si 16:51 and the cold thing is just in case I lose some cold res to cold traps 16:52 btw the 50% thing is recent and doesn't affect my game, but hey, good to get into the habit :-) 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2245 (0:30:10) 16:53 castle is nicely filling up with zombies 16:55 mobileuser have a read - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/e162632f724091c9a69addf650469a2db9c676a9 16:55 draugr have innate cold res 16:56 gdammit i spelled innate wrong in that commit 16:56 fml 16:56 the next sentence confuses me 16:57 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 48 points, T:99, killed by a fox 16:59 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:59 the whole paragraph confuses me :-) 17:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2061 points, T:2816, killed by hitting herself in the face 17:03 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:06 lol why 17:07 'your words frighten and confuse my caveman brain' 17:07 my draugr brain 17:08 heh 17:10 if this, but not if that, and this chance for another thing, but extrinsic then that but not if innate 17:11 you got it 17:11 \o/ 17:13 fortunately Umbire has a big brain 17:14 its huge 17:14 YUGE 17:14 oh holy shit, i just checked the news 17:14 headline: TRUMP GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS 17:15 i normally dont do politics but this is... yuge 17:15 YUGE 17:16 oh my god... 17:16 <@loggers_viii> oh damn really? 17:16 Trump found guilty on all 34 charges 17:16 ok so now 17:17 just hearing it on the news 17:17 given this type of crime, if you're a first offender (and somehow trump magically is) you only get a hefty fine, no jail time 17:17 however 17:17 given trump's attitude, bad mouthing the judge, breaking the gag order multiple times, etc 17:17 oh it might actually be joever and then some 17:18 we'll see what the judge does during sentencing 17:18 its a max of four years per count 17:18 even if he only got 3 months per count, might as well be a life sentence 17:19 and whatever happens, he is officially a criminal now 17:19 yup 17:19 he is now a convicted felon 17:19 CONVICT 17:19 get the ball & chain 17:19 get the shirt 17:19 heheh 17:20 he's a droven convict 17:20 this is so fucking awesome 17:20 i swear to god if he just gets a slap on the wrist during sentencing i'm gonna lose my shit 17:21 it wouldn't surprise me if he just gets fines 17:21 sentencing july 11th 17:21 not clear yet if he'll be remanded now 17:21 <@loggers_viii> never underestimate the leniency of the American justice system when it comes to rich people 17:21 still in court 17:22 @loggers_viii no kidding 17:22 i guess they're letting him leave 17:23 i would imagine with conditions 17:24 10 bucks says he'll try and leave the country if it's looking like jail time 17:25 not so fun fact - in the US, if you're convicted of a felony, you cant serve in the military, no waiver allowed. but you can still be president (which is also commander in chief) 17:28 he will probably hide in some country that happens to be friendly to him 17:28 Russia maybe? 17:28 yup 17:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3004 (0:36:34) 17:39 -!- Frozty has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:53 latest commits are live now 17:59 what do you MEAN brass gave orange dragons para breath 18:00 I haven't followed the draugr stuff closely, but I'm pretty sure that even extrinsic fire resistance is considerably less than 100% effective if you are polymorfed into a vampire 18:01 * tinklebear not long ago entered hell as a V lord or something like that 18:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:02 * tinklebear did not stick around down there for long! 18:03 also, K2 18:03 is it intended that baby orange dragons are chaotic while adult ones are lawful 18:04 @e?orange dragon 18:04 orange dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: sleep | Confer: sleep | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d25 breath sleep, 4d8 bite physical, 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 2d10 engulf digest, 0d2 passive slow | Align: -5 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 18:05 tinklebear - its because when you poly into a monster, their M4 flags come into play (M4 flags handle vulnerability to various elemental types of damage) 18:06 and those flags trump all forms of resistance, intrinsic or extrinsic 18:06 if I had made draugr have permanent vulnerability to fire like that, no one would want to play it 18:06 cool. (I would though) 18:07 gehennom would be a constant struggle, always losing hp 18:07 polymorph 18:07 true 18:07 i weighed the pros and cons and decided on the current course of action 18:07 it makes sense not to coerce a player into polymorph 18:08 ...just by virtue of their chosen race 18:08 we'll see how it goes 18:08 the orange dragon thing, lemme look 18:09 they are both chaotic it looks like 18:09 yup they are 18:10 right, mixed up entries 18:10 I do a bunch of pino calls and compare stats to make sure I don't miss stuff 18:10 so of your you decide to be contrary and change their alignment 18:10 /j 18:13 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4679 (1:15:45) 18:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4998 (1:08:57) 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2517 points, T:5411, zombified by a kobold zombie 18:39 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 18:39 QOL is killing me. 18:40 am I the only one who immediately hits space after reading a scroll of enchant armor and then wastes it? 18:40 probably 18:40 how do i undo nearly 40 years of muscle memory? 18:41 just take your time 18:41 literally, take an extra second 18:41 even when I tell myself to stop, I still do it turns later 18:41 well ok then... shock treatment it is 18:41 every character I waste  several scrolls 18:41 stenno, get the defib 18:41 aand it is supposed to be an improvement? 18:41 yes 18:42 that change has actually been well received 18:42 i get the improvement, I do 18:42 bzp 18:42 clear! 18:42 the shop selling thing was much worse 18:42 i know, now aamke fun of me 18:42 why i do not like it herer 18:43 no we will not make of you 18:43 we will make fun of stenno instead 18:43 i used to accidentally sell all my shit to shopkeepers because (in vanilla) they changed the sell dialog to y 18:43 no, i am going to bed now 18:43 :( 18:43 you can make fun of me in my absence but it might not be as satisfying 18:43 you are correct 18:43 i always do NOT sell my stuff because it is switched 18:44 was it not? 18:44 i am tired 18:44 I justy do not understand why anyone would want o outright NOT enchant something. Just an oh well "Never Mind." 18:44 why not  a prompt? aare you SURE you do not want to enchaant something? 18:45 you do get a prompt to pick an item to enchant. dont skip it 18:45 default I thought was 'y' to sell. now it is 'no' 18:45 i don't skip it 18:46 I hit space after reaading like vanilla does 18:46 and all the the double aa's is my daaamned keyboaard 18:46 <@loggers_viii> why do you hit space after reading anyway? Do you have a stop message for when armor gets enchanted? 18:46 no, in vanilla thera a --more-- prompt after reading 18:46 then dont hit space? dunno what else to tell you 18:47 in Evil it goes right to "enchant what item?" 18:47 yes 18:47 oh had that issue with lack of --more-- prompts in nh4 18:48 constantly messed up my muscle memory 18:48 now i know what you mean 18:48 actually to the point that i stopped playing nh4-likes mostly 18:49 just after years aad years of doing the same thing, it is soooo hard to undo 18:49 alright 18:49 i'll have a look 18:49 so, glad I cvan still 'n'ame thing the waay I used to , even though it is not part of the menu system 18:49 name a individual item?  'n'o 18:50 ok so in vanilla nethack, i read a scroll of enchant armor, there is no --more-- prompt, it auotmatically enchants a random piece of armor 18:51 although if you change anything it would have to not mess up all the other people. 18:51 but, you I still haait space after reading the scroll 18:51 so i'm not sure why you'd feel the need to hit spacebar right after that happens 18:51 so, I remembering the action incorrectly. 18:52 all the spacebar does is clear the message you just got 18:52 unless you have it bound to do something else 18:52 yes, and that is probably what I am doing/meaning 18:53 it is a great feature, saves so much time and accidental evaporations, to the point where it seem notEvil. 18:53 But, I know the saying -- sweey and sour 18:53 sweet 18:53 there's a difference between Evil and just plain dogshit to experience 18:53 oh hey... did anyone notice that draugr knights have no armor? 18:53 lol 18:54 what happened there? 18:54 i just know there is an argument - against - it 18:54 wait... neither does my human knight 18:54 huh 18:54 :o 18:54 streaky boy 18:54 oh wait 18:54 do i have nudist on? 18:55 lol and nudist checks all player monsters? 18:55 hah yup i did 18:55 whew 18:55 minor crisis averted 18:55 oh draugr is a player race 18:55 si 18:55 zombie player race 18:56 nice 18:56 stenno read this - https://redd.it/1d00gi8 18:57 article's already onwiki too 18:57 ok so in evilhack, there actually is a --more-- prompt as you read the scroll of enchant armor 18:57 if you hit spacebar it goes right to 'What do you want to enchant? [cdef or ?*]' 18:57 i don't think there is a good argument against being able to choose which armor you are going to enchant - it was always just an unneccessary tedium to undress accordingly and it was highly error prone 18:58 if you hit spacebar a second time without selecting a letter, you get 'Never mind. You have a strange feeling for a moment, then it passes.' 18:58 how is a draugr slower? do they just have intrinsic Slow ? 18:58 i id not say there was a good argument nor am I against it 18:58 so you'd have to hit spacebar twice to mess up 18:58 I just know some have been vocal about it not being Evil 18:59 stenno their starting speed is 10 vs 12 18:59 is that the first race with movement speed different to 12 ? 18:59 sloppyfirsts, you're gonna have to learn to not hit spacebar *twice* after reading a scroll 18:59 player race that is 18:59 stenno no 18:59 giants and tortles are a bit slower too 18:59 i think in vanilla its always 12 18:59 i see, nice 18:59 yes 19:00 centaur are 18 speed 19:00 speedy boy 19:00 yup 19:00 oh wow and they can still get very fast 19:00 presumably 19:00 yes 19:00 that's why people recommend starting with a centaur barb/knight/valk starting out if they are new to evilhack 19:00 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Helm_of_speed 19:00 centaur is spd 30 on very fast? 19:00 on avg 19:01 i havent crunched the numbers 19:01 should be 18 + (18 * 2/3) on average 19:01 remember, C math is a thing 19:01 (i.e. no remainders) 19:02 integer math, yeah 19:02 integer arithmetics 19:03 A player with the speed extrinsic (obtained through speed boots) or temporary intrinsic (via a potion of speed, or the haste self spell), also known as a very fast player, gains 12 extra movement points (one free move) on 2/3 of turns 19:03 so its slightly less 19:03 i thought it would just double the normal speed, but it's coded as 12 19:04 lets see if evil changed that 19:05 just saw that you could cheat out movement 12 for tortles if you just save and reload each turn 19:06 but don't tell the dev 19:07 uuh hm 19:08 !1d5 19:08 Umbire: 2 19:14 so, what are rules for magic detection scroll?  will detect bags but not chests, boxes, etc.? 19:14 and only tells what the items are if blessed? 19:16 uncursed magic detection tells you that certain items are magical, including the contents of containers 19:16 blessed also fully IDs the magical properties in question 19:18 I keep forgetting the wiki has been updating greatly with Evil information. 19:19 thanks in large part by you 19:19 i seem to recall either chest or magic chest not working to ID magical items 19:19 about to to do the same thing again. 19:26 appreciated 19:26 alright that's baby silver dragons queued up 19:26 work on the silver article is gonna be a bit 19:34 blessed scroll of magic detection does not work for maagic chests 19:34 not sure if it is all chests or boxes. 19:35 knew i should have removed the contents 19:35 I remember it applying to other containers 19:35 hmmm 19:35 i had unID'ed spellbooks on the level and they ID'ed 19:36 I had a spellbook in the chest and it did not ID 19:37 not to the magic chest specifically 19:37 I did previously but it not working sounds right 19:38 I'm thinking about mundane containers 19:38 so, chests, boxes and bags work? 19:38 whaat about baags of holding? 19:39 man need to change the delaay on 'aaa' 19:42 bag of holding works 19:42 which is maagicaa; 19:42 grr   magical 19:43 crystal chests are weird 19:44 I would not be surprised if they were exceptional 19:44 probing does not work 19:45 and I suspect they won't teleport 19:45 (they used to) 19:45 *teleport via wand 19:48 -!- MTF has joined #evilhack 19:49 heya MTF 19:49 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50 -!- rld has joined #evilhack 19:50 -!- mode/#evilhack [+v rld] by ChanServ 19:50 testin' something? 19:51 hey guys 19:51 just adding junethack to the bridge again :) 19:52 sick 19:57 -!- MTF has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:59 Does anyone remember the name of Saw Guererra's mind-reading illithid sloth in Rogue One? 20:01 s/mind-reading/bullshit-detecting/ 20:01 Gul something-or-other 20:02 never saw it so 20:02 Bor Gullet 20:02 found it 20:09 want to name a mind flayer pet . . . ?  :) 20:09 It's a good name! 20:17 silver dragons done 20:17 sloppyfirsts, if you only wear one thing, I think enchant armor works like in vanilla 20:17 (unless you are riding a barded steed) 20:18 am i wrong about that? 20:18 s/one thing/one piece of armor/ 20:20 It picks at random if you haven't ID'd the scroll and read it 20:20 once it's ID'd you can pick your armor 20:20 if you wear one thing, then "at random" means that one thing 20:21 and if you only have one worn piece, then the prompt would be otiose 20:26 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1] 20:29 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3614 points, T:7099, killed by a soldier ant 20:59 -!- sloppyfirsts has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:14 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:29249 (18:17:49) 21:15 the old "hoped it was undead turning but it turned out to be polymorph" trick 21:16 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19 -!- sloppyfirsts has joined #evilhack 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Inf Cen Mal Una), 708 points, T:716, killed by the Goblin King, while sleeping 21:26 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 982 points, T:3519, killed by a wand 21:28 heh 21:40 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 21:55 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 424 points, T:1716, killed by a giant bat 21:55 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed tinklebear's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:30715 (18:59:10) 22:22 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Bar Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a mountain dwarf), on T:1000 (0:03:59) 22:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) had a dagger entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:55085 (1 day, 1:16:59) 22:57 @e?Jabberwock 22:57 jabberwock (J) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 18 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 2d10 bite physical, 2d10 bite physical, 2d10 claw physical, 2d10 claw physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, infravis 22:59 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #evilhack 23:00 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 23:15 [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4177 (1:19:43) 23:25 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 23:34 Beware the Jabberwock, my son. 23:34 The jaws that bite, the claws that catch 23:35 except that nethack Jabberwock claws don't do a lot of catching 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1343 (0:06:23) 23:36 * tinklebear mimes Jabberwocky hands 23:37 "and when they come with the claw?" 23:37 okay, that's it for me. good night 23:37 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 23:43 losing low-level zombie pets immediately, a turn or two after after taming them 23:43 they are not dying 23:43 bug? 23:43 feature 23:43 ? 23:44 they go back to non-hostile, non-tame zombies 23:48 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:54 also zombies in general do not seem to generate as much from corpses.  are these balancing efforts? 23:57 there was a very recent change that limits the number of pet you can have, perhaps it is that? 23:57 i only have 2 and 1 is a zombie. 23:58 there was a limit to what draugr can have or, or everyone? 23:58 it's charisma dependent 23:58 everyone i believe 23:59 vanilla or just Evil?