00:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:32527 (21:07:16)
00:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32536 (21:07:37)
00:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20484 (5:44:19)
01:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 74139 points, T:22659, suffocated by a gelatinous cube
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02:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4513 (0:49:57)
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02:59 <mobileuser> oof xdminsy
02:59 <mobileuser> time for a <tab> rule in your config?
03:08 <xdminsy> Lol yes, I have already stop at "wraps its arms around you", but maybe I still ignored to check message, I add new one "cannot escape from" lol.
03:08 <xdminsy> I'd take more care myself about salamander next time :D
03:12 <mobileuser> yeah I have learned the hard way myself to always slow down and check every message when I'm next to a salamander :-)
03:13 <xdminsy> Me too, really the hard way lol.
03:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) averted death (killed by a flind), on T:29303 (11:05:16)
03:15 <xdminsy> I add several new stops that I don't have before.
03:15 <xdminsy> The confusion/stagger status and some gazes message.
03:15 <xdminsy> And the paralysis "frozen by" :D
03:16 <xdminsy> Oh evilhack support msgtype=stop I realize.
03:16 <xdminsy> I should trun set instadeath message to that.
03:17 <xdminsy> I mean, msgtype=alert.
03:18 <mobileuser> K2 gave me a link to his config, let me see...
03:20 <mobileuser> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/k2.evilrc
03:20 <mobileuser> section "# emergencies"
03:21 <xdminsy> Oh cool, K2 has a lot of alerts.
03:21 <xdminsy> Copy some.
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04:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:34456 (23:24:27)
04:48 <mobileuser> heheh I did the "kick a giant zombie then tame him" thing
04:49 <mobileuser> unlike Infidel I felt guilty about it of course, but hey...
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05:14 <xdminsy> What's the motivation to tame him, buc test?
05:14 <cbus> heh my ascension regex did not trigger :P
05:15 <xdminsy> What's wrong?
05:15 <cbus> ppl started talking about an ascension
05:15 <cbus> I see no ascension :P
05:15 <cbus> on #nethack
05:16 <cbus> (trying to ignore everything except ascensions)
05:17 <xdminsy> Heh maybe ignore ascensions are okay too.
05:18 <xdminsy> If curious then can manually check scoreboard lol :D
05:19 <xdminsy> Your name regex works I think the ascended should work too aren't them same?
05:19 <cbus> yeah could be
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05:37 <mobileuser> xdminsy motivation to tame was to have a strong pet. and also for fun, since I am a draugr!
05:43 <xdminsy> Make some friends~
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06:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:624 (0:03:27)
06:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1351 (0:09:25)
06:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2746 (0:21:27)
07:33 <mobileuser> are you going to try draugr convict xdminsy?
07:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 40 arrows on an altar, on T:4369 (0:34:22)
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09:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2469 (1:17:31)
09:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:89842 (1 day, 0:37:05)
09:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 9112 points, T:5464, withered away, while praying
09:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:3586 (1:55:27)
10:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a greased bag called BOH named s16 containing 46 items on an altar, on T:4275 (2:33:14)
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11:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:852 (0:09:06)
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12:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:7223 (4:23:50)
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12:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:7375 (4:29:14)
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12:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Ran Hob Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:7181 (3:31:48)
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13:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) stole 3310 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Wonotobo's general store, on T:91698 (1 day, 1:49:32)
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13:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3214 (0:36:46)
13:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:573 (0:05:57)
13:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a human watchman), on T:1201 (0:11:15)
13:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Dra Fem Cha), 2963 points, T:1204, killed by a human watchman, while attempting to cheat Death
13:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) had an orcish dagger entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:92237 (1 day, 1:58:20)
13:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:32061 (11:59:53)
13:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) stole 3971 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Aklavik's general store, on T:92543 (1 day, 2:03:38)
13:19 <terrapin> FINALLY a scroll of charging
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4367 (0:50:51)
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:92647 (1 day, 2:06:13)
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13:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:93125 (1 day, 2:17:10)
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13:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed Graz'zt, on T:93450 (1 day, 2:23:08)
13:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Dwa Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8631 (5:43:24)
13:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dra Mal Cha) murdered his faithful giant ant, on T:25901 (14:02:32)
13:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] aoei (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1368 points, T:1743, killed by kicking a wall
14:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dra Mal Cha) had a steel helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:26132 (14:12:06)
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14:00 <mobileuser> heh that will help with my Wis:3
14:02 <dbanethacker> Hello all - any advice please for the care and maintenance of a pet lava demon?  I have an uncursed leash and a magic whistle, but am wondering if it's going to ever go feral on me if I don't ***feed*** it something from time to time.
14:02 <Umbire> They're inediate so
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14:07 <dbanethacker> ...so they don't eat anything?
14:08 <Umbire> yes, they do not
14:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant mummy, on T:3410 (1:37:34)
14:23 <K2> the wiki doesnt have a lot to say about how to manage inedate pets
14:24 <K2> basically, you'll want to keep scrolls of taming available, or be able to reliably cast 'charm monster'
14:26 <dbanethacker> Ok thanks.  I can't cast charm monster yet so I'll have to hope my demon doesn't get lost
14:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:8140 (1:57:25)
14:26 <Umbire> I know people weren't gonna be able to cover everything efficiently even during the eternal ~~september~~ 3.4.3 era
14:27 <Umbire> but it's a bit odd to consider the lack of coverage combined with how good archon wishes were considered
14:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8426 (2:00:31)
14:42 <K2> oh, third option is to make sure you can kill your inediate pet should it go rogue
14:43 <K2> sucks when a low to mid level character finds that blessed figurine of an archon and cleans house with it, and then oops its no longer tame
14:43 <K2> DYWYPI?
14:44 <rld> <@loggers_viii> you can just not leave them off level or hit them and it should be fine
14:45 <rld> <@loggers_viii> my strategy for inediate pets is to never be mean to them so they never untame :p
14:49 <dbanethacker> I found a magic flute so I think my pet is fairly manageable.  Biggest problem would be to fall down a deep shaft and not get back in time for a peaceful reuniting
14:51 <Umbire> Magic flutes put monsters to sleep
14:51 <rld> <@loggers_viii> do you mean whistle?
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14:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 5497 points, T:3590, withered away
14:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:32760 (12:15:30)
15:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:36674 (2:50:36)
15:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 stone helm of telepathy", on T:36681 (2:50:47)
15:02 <Loggers_VIII> okeydokey this run's looking much better
15:03 <Loggers_VIII> it's so nice to finally have telepathy
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15:10 <mobileuser> I don't think a lava demon would be retameable?
15:11 <Loggers_VIII> @e?lava demon
15:11 <Hecubus> lava demon (&) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 40 | Gen: special | AC: -8 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 bite physical, 2d6 bite fire | Align: -7 | poisonous, nopoly, stalker, silverhate, infravis, demon
15:11 <Loggers_VIII> only MR 40
15:11 <mobileuser> I'm probably confused with balrogs then :-)
15:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 9966 points, T:9545, quit
15:14 <mobileuser> hey shadowrider
15:18 <mobileuser> with all those peaceful undead I need to figure out this underlined thing...
15:19 <mobileuser> that should be the default because I'm lazy :-P
15:25 <mobileuser> weird game, I'm getting showered with bags of holding
15:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Con Dra Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:941 (0:05:18)
15:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) had a helm of telepathy entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:33618 (12:45:37)
15:32 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame splungetoo
15:32 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/splungetoo/evilhack/dumplog/1716832653.evil.html
15:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible splungetoo's ghost, the former Magician, on T:37289 (2:54:30)
15:34 <Loggers_VIII> HAHAHAHA check this bones I got with 3 mlamps: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/splungetoo/evilhack/dumplog/1716652688.evil.html
15:35 <mobileuser> heh I had 2 magic lamps from splungetoo bones :-)
15:36 <mobileuser> ah and you stole 2 from Izchak too!
15:38 <Loggers_VIII> and I had another two earlier in the run (though i had to use one to wish for a pickaxe to escape a vault)
15:38 <Loggers_VIII> total of seven lamps
15:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Kni Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4019 (1:46:09)
15:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 1948 points, T:4035, killed by a rabid dog
15:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:37527 (3:03:49)
15:43 <mobileuser> HAX
15:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Con Dra Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4004 (0:23:08)
15:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of slow digestion", on T:37590 (3:07:10)
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> rings of slow digestion are gold >:(
15:49 <mobileuser> good wish
15:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Con Dra Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4947 (0:28:07)
15:49 <Loggers_VIII> I want to get crowned and that means no relying on god for food anymore
15:49 <mobileuser> lol I thought you meant that figuratively Loggers_VIII
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15:50 <Loggers_VIII> nah :p
15:50 <mobileuser> slow digestion is GOLD for a draugr :-)
15:50 <Loggers_VIII> sort of considering genociding leprechauns but that's probably stupif
15:50 <Loggers_VIII> *stupid
15:51 <shadowrider38> loggers why do i see that are you doing the same combo as me
15:51 <shadowrider38> clearly i was the original and started my game first
15:52 <mobileuser> the race is on!
15:52 <Loggers_VIII> I went back in time after I saw you playing it to 3 days earlier, to copy you!
15:52 <shadowrider38> :P
15:53 <Loggers_VIII> I've been sort of dawdling with this run but now that you're doing the same combo I needa start going faster. I want the first win
15:58 <shadowrider38> heheh
16:04 <Loggers_VIII> is there any way to take off the striped shirt of liberation? I wanna nurse dance
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16:06 <dbanethacker> No I have a magic flute.  If it puts it to sleep then so bet it, but I thought they tamed monsters, not put them to sleep.  Alas.
16:06 <terrapin> nymph
16:06 <Loggers_VIII> you're thinking of magic harps dbanethacker
16:06 <Loggers_VIII> thanks terrapin
16:06 <terrapin> hmm a cursed bell would actually be decently useful for convicts
16:08 <K2> shadowrider38 just fyi, this channel bridges to the same on discord side
16:08 <K2> @shadow_rider
16:08 <K2> there, pinged you
16:12 <shadowrider38> oh coolio
16:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Con Dra Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7917 (0:55:08)
16:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9817 (2:31:59)
16:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Con Dra Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Tymora, on T:8745 (1:04:54)
16:26 <mobileuser> Loggers_VIII I know that xdminsy polymorphed into a tiny monster a couple of times to nurse dance
16:26 <Loggers_VIII> shadowrider38 do you have slow digestion?
16:27 <Loggers_VIII> not starving could be tough without tymora
16:27 <Loggers_VIII> hmm interesting mobileuser
16:28 <mobileuser> yeah I really needed lots of prayers for my draugr to not die of starvation
16:28 <shadowrider38> no i do not lol
16:28 <mobileuser> gl ;-)
16:28 <shadowrider38> oopsie
16:28 <Loggers_VIII> heheh may good fortune send many centaurs and giants your way
16:29 <shadowrider38> i havent had to pray for hunger yet which is prolly what i didnt think of it
16:29 <shadowrider38> also on the wiki is says on the stormbringer page that you can forge it with grimtooth to make shadowblade, but on the main evilhack page it says you forge it with werebane
16:30 <shadowrider38> i assume the main page is correct?
16:30 <Loggers_VIII> lemme edit that, it's werebane
16:30 <mobileuser> werebane is correct
16:30 <Loggers_VIII> used to be grimtooth
16:30 <shadowrider38> coolio
16:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:117343 (1 day, 3:29:54)
16:34 <shadowrider38> any wish recommendation?
16:34 <shadowrider38> i guess maybe slow dig LOL
16:35 <Loggers_VIII> either blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of MR or slow digestion
16:35 <Loggers_VIII> call it :p
16:35 <shadowrider38> magic resistance optional step
16:37 <mobileuser> speed boots must be good too
16:37 <mobileuser> slow draugr
16:38 <shadowrider38> is the hunger thing really an issue?
16:39 <mobileuser> it was for me
16:39 <Loggers_VIII> it's not a lot of the time, but I had times infrequently where corpses weren't dropping or I wasn't fighting filling monsters and I had to pray or die
16:40 <shadowrider38> i see
16:40 <mobileuser> I had to be careful in sokoban
16:40 <mobileuser> btw one advantage of crowning:
16:41 <mobileuser> double monster generation
16:41 <Loggers_VIII> just a case of weighing pros n cons
16:41 <mobileuser> maybe that offsets it enough
16:41 <Loggers_VIII> I'd prolly do MR but I am not really known as an optimal player :P
16:42 <mobileuser> just find splungetoo bones for MR ;-)
16:42 <Loggers_VIII> splunge is such a lifeline for bad evilhack runs
16:42 <Loggers_VIII> they play a million runs and are always dying in the main dungeon with tons of loot
16:44 <Noisytoot> like janis
16:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided alhoons, on T:117379 (1 day, 3:41:02)
16:44 <Loggers_VIII> exactly lol
16:44 <Loggers_VIII> splunge does win runs too though, which is a marked difference
16:44 <shadowrider38> haha
16:45 <Loggers_VIII> heeheheeehehehehheheheheehehehehehee got a deathdropped magic lamp
16:45 <mobileuser> HAX
16:46 <shadowrider38> actually whats more annoying is i am so out of practice that i forgot to make holy water so now i have to wait for prayer to timeout
16:46 <Loggers_VIII> numero nishwaashwe
16:46 <Loggers_VIII> oh that always sucks
16:46 <mobileuser> dare I mention I got my first holy water from splungetoo
16:48 <shadowrider38> who is this splungetoo and how can i meet them
16:48 <shadowrider38> i think i might have bones off
16:50 <terrapin> heh the wizard's neothelid got stoned fighting a chickatrice
16:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:95603 (1 day, 3:27:36)
16:54 <Loggers_VIII> get his ass terrapin
16:58 <shadowrider38> mistakes were made
16:58 <shadowrider38> i guess i shouldnt have tried to steal from the oracle
16:59 <terrapin> not quite ready for the ascension run, just clearing the first two floors
17:02 <mobileuser> did you just find another magic lamp Loggers_VIII
17:02 <Loggers_VIII> nah it's the deathdropped one from earlier
17:02 <bouquet_> stealing all my magic lamps
17:03 <Loggers_VIII> I was afk cuz of how hard I was yapping in #hardfought
17:03 <mobileuser> heh
17:03 <bouquet_> I haven't seen a single one all game. 
17:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had an apron entrusted to him by Tymora, on T:39280 (3:50:09)
17:03 <Loggers_VIII> this is my eighth one :p
17:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:39364 (3:50:48)
17:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:39733 (3:51:49)
17:05 <Loggers_VIII> ai ai ai I just wanna be crowned
17:06 <mobileuser> can't say no to Fire Brand!
17:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Tymora, on T:39898 (3:53:21)
17:07 <Loggers_VIII> babam
17:07 <mobileuser> \o/
17:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed Charon, on T:118215 (1 day, 3:53:38)
17:10 <Umbire> weird, I figured neothelids would be acidic enough to not be stoned
17:10 <Umbire> or at least smart-ish enough to avoid meleeing footrices
17:11 <mobileuser> bouquet_ you murderer
17:11 <terrapin> hmm yeah they are acidy aren't they
17:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 mithril pair of bracers of excellence", on T:39909 (3:56:53)
17:11 <bouquet_> he was all up in my grill
17:11 <mobileuser> heh
17:12 <Loggers_VIII> mundane bracers exist now, I almost forgot
17:12 <mobileuser> ooh!
17:12 <mobileuser> I think monks can wear those too without penalty!
17:13 <terrapin> it's kinda weird how bracers have basically no downside
17:13 <mobileuser> ssssh
17:13 <terrapin> when it was only drow bracers at least you needed shadow scales
17:13 <Loggers_VIII> sssshhhhh
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17:14 <terrapin> and my current alchemy sesh reminds me: diluted !oFH should only heal 200 HP
17:14 <terrapin> someone has to speak truth to power :P
17:15 <Loggers_VIII> terrapin you will be dealt with :P
17:15 <Loggers_VIII> sleep with two eyes open tonight
17:15 <bouquet_> shaddup terrapin!
17:15 <terrapin> #monster
17:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Geryon, on T:118534 (1 day, 4:00:18)
17:16 <mobileuser> "speak truth to power" usually doesn't mean : "hey boss, you are giving me unfair advantages!" ;-)
17:16 <Loggers_VIII> what's your #monster ability? hiding in a shell?
17:17 <terrapin> haha yeah
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17:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:40298 (4:02:21)
17:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) genocided black dragons, on T:40298 (4:02:24)
17:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:40299 (4:02:27)
17:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) genocided orange dragons, on T:40300 (4:02:37)
17:20 <mobileuser> why genocide master mind flayers Loggers_VIII
17:21 <mobileuser> they can't hurt you
17:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) genocided mind flayers, on T:40348 (4:03:34)
17:21 <mobileuser> lol
17:21 <Loggers_VIII> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
17:21 <Loggers_VIII> fuck
17:21 <Loggers_VIII> ...
17:21 <Umbire> his pets'll appreciate the gesture at least 
17:21 <Umbire> :B
17:21 <mobileuser> we undead and learn
17:22 <Umbire> maybe one ate a critical brain cell beforehand and this is retaliation
17:23 <rld> <@nabru> it is to teach a lesson
17:23 <mobileuser> brain eating competitors wiped out!
17:25 <Loggers_VIII> at least I'll probably never do that again, now
17:30 <Umbire> Oh yeah
17:30 <Umbire> K2, what are the to-hit bonuses for drow using drow weapons
17:30 <Umbire> and are they applied to all drow weapons
17:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Lolth, on T:119495 (1 day, 4:14:36)
17:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Con Dra Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:18734 (2:10:56)
17:32 <terrapin> the drow bonus applies to drow weapons, bare-handed combat (including thievery & martial arts), and Shadowblade
17:33 <terrapin> it is (XL/3 + 2) when in the dark, or a *penalty* of -4 when lit
17:34 <Noisytoot> when it was a placebo bonus it used to apply equally (i.e. not at all) to everything
17:36 <Umbire> ah, so ONLY when in the dark
17:37 <Umbire> if one of you chaps could strat up that article that'd be nice, if not that's fine too
17:37 <Umbire> oh and terrapin, is this for player drow alone?
17:37 <Umbire> or any drow monster?
17:39 <terrapin> same for drow monsters, except the lit penalty is only -3, and it applies to all weapons
17:40 <Noisytoot> why is it different for players and monsters?
17:44 <terrapin> idk
17:44 <rld> <@loggers_viii> there’s probably no real answer to that question other than “bcuz”
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17:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Con Dra Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:20729 (2:25:12)
17:47 <rld> <@loggers_viii> why illiterate for so long??
17:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Ran Hob Fem Neu) had a steel knife entrusted to her by Venus, on T:9583 (4:31:09)
17:48 <Umbire> habit one wagers
17:51 <shadowrider38> because there was nothing to read
17:51 <shadowrider38> also thanks
17:52 <shadowrider38> nymph steals my stormbringer the turn i walk downstairs
17:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Con Dra Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:21620 (2:32:08)
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18:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 307894 points, T:39763, killed by brainlessness
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18:19 <K2> damn nymphs
18:21 <tinklebear> they help keep you unburdened. what's wrong with that?
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18:22 <rld> <@loggers_viii> !lastgame tinklebear
18:22 <tinklebear> I didn't notice I was burdened!
18:23 <tinklebear> K2, is the MR/Reflection tracking still live?
18:24 <K2> still live?
18:24 <K2> it's there with 0.8.4
18:24 <K2> and :(
18:24 <tinklebear> heh.
18:24 <tinklebear> for a couple of games, I noticed it showed up in the dumplog, as expected
18:25 <tinklebear> but the last couple games (which lasted longer than those), it seems to think I broke the MR-less and reflectionless conducts
18:25 <tinklebear> but I'm pretty sure I disagree
18:26 <K2> you'd have to go through the ttyrec and see
18:26 <K2> its possible i missed a case
18:26 <K2> i dont think i did
18:26 <tinklebear> does it break the conduct if you just pick up a MR/Reflection item?
18:26 <K2> no
18:26 <K2> MR or reflection has to actually be active
18:26 <K2> as a knight, just carrying the MMoM graants reflection
18:27 <K2> as anything actually
18:27 <tinklebear> I didn't pick that up
18:27 <tinklebear> I buried it
18:27 <K2> kicked it into a hole?
18:27 <tinklebear> and in one game, I got my pet water troll to drop it in the swamp
18:27 <tinklebear> didn't touch it. 
18:27 * tinklebear knows how to do it
18:28 <K2> !lastgame
18:28 <tinklebear> I dug down on the square it dropped on.
18:28 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1716728861.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1716928131.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jelly99/evilhack/dumplog/1716734779.evil.html
18:28 <tinklebear> then I pushed a boulder on top
18:28 * tinklebear consults dumplogs
18:30 <K2> yeah you'd have to search through the ttyrec and see
18:30 <K2> damn
18:32 <tinklebear> my memory turns out to be somewhat unreliable: only that last game doesn't show the conducts.
18:32 <K2> which you mean you broke them
18:32 <tinklebear> I have not, to my knowledge, broken them
18:33 <K2> i gotcha
18:33 <tinklebear> not since my first 0.8.4 game
18:33 <tinklebear> and afaict, this last game's dumplog thinks I did break them
18:33 <tinklebear> (*only* this last game's dumplog)
18:34 <K2> so the others show the conducts intact?
18:34 <tinklebear> yeah. on review, they all seem to.
18:34 <tinklebear> (my initial report was faulty!)
18:35 <tinklebear> but this game was a nudist game. so I didn't break it by trying any armor on
18:35 <tinklebear> and I actually, and accidentally, chose the amulet in sokoban.
18:36 <tinklebear> so I had magic res identified. but I never wore the thing
18:36 <tinklebear> so it is kind of weird that the conduct, according to dumplog, was "broken"
18:38 <tinklebear> IIRC, I noticed both conducts (MR/Reflx) were "broken" early on in the game
18:38 <tinklebear> fwiw
18:39 <tinklebear> don't remember how early, but... seems like it was well before I got the bell
18:44 <tinklebear> there's only one thing to do
18:44 * tinklebear starts another game
18:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) murdered Vita Fidelia, his faithful pony, on T:442 (0:05:10)
18:49 <tinklebear> :(
18:51 <terrapin> i don't suppose you polymorphed into something magic resistant like an elven mage last game?
18:54 * tinklebear thinks
18:54 <Umbire> thinklebear
18:54 <nabru> you think, therefore you are
18:55 <K2> a review of the ttyrec is in order
18:55 <tinklebear> terrapin: V-lord, drow warrior, succubus... pretty sure I had no unintentional self-polymorphs
18:56 <tinklebear> V-lord may have been another game. although it is interesting that the missile-casters all count as MR
18:57 <tinklebear> but I avoid caster polyforms. pretty sure I'd remember morfing into one
18:57 <Umbire> Vanilla-ism
18:57 <Umbire> monsters with MM attacks have player-style MR
18:57 <Loggers_VIII> I think stuff is generally immune to any type of damage it can dish out
18:59 <tinklebear> also, K2: "You never touched an artifact."
18:59 <K2> i saw that
18:59 <tinklebear> "You were faithfully nudist."
18:59 <K2> and that
19:00 <tinklebear> cool
19:07 <tinklebear> I still had my starting horse, too. To me this indicates that I never hit any polytraps unintentionally
19:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:42412 (4:53:33)
19:09 <Loggers_VIII> eugh had to fight her in melee
19:09 <Loggers_VIII> not a fan of that in evil
19:14 <Loggers_VIII> ooh nice, lava castle
19:14 <Loggers_VIII> this one's nice
19:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 743 points, T:1712, burned by an exploding fire bomb
19:14 <Loggers_VIII> damn double nice
19:14 <Loggers_VIII> what is a fire bomb? I thought that was a hackem thing
19:14 <Loggers_VIII> oil potion maybe?
19:15 <tinklebear> flaming oil, yeah
19:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:41999 (16:36:54)
19:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43467 (5:04:31)
19:20 <Loggers_VIII> lame, 0:1 wand
19:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43476 (5:07:22)
19:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43476 (5:07:25)
19:24 <Loggers_VIII> I don't know what to wish for. draugr doesn't really have to worry about anything besides what I've already got
19:24 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/1fd8649e6245...636bef3592e3
19:24 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 636bef3 - Fix: 'Achievements completed' header in dumplog.
19:25 <K2> when in doubt, wish for a blessed figurine of a woodchuck named Carl
19:25 <tinklebear> like, Meatwad's neighbor Carl?
19:25 <Loggers_VIII> I think I will wish for the figurine of moloch for half spell
19:25 <tinklebear> Frylock, etc
19:26 <Loggers_VIII> for weapons I'll be dual-wielding dichotomy+SoA, or at least that's the plan
19:27 <Loggers_VIII> no fucking clue how I'm gonna kill vecna :P
19:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dra Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:27691 (5:49:56)
19:30 <Loggers_VIII> you should be able to invoke dichotomy to make a monster vulnerable to cold or fire for a little bit
19:33 <K2> hah no
19:33 <K2> its already OP
19:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:100268 (1 day, 5:21:47)
19:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:100270 (1 day, 5:21:53)
19:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:100279 (1 day, 5:22:50)
19:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed the elven high priest of Moloch, on T:100470 (1 day, 5:29:40)
19:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:100473 (1 day, 5:29:52)
19:44 <K2> \o/
19:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:100539 (1 day, 5:32:59)
19:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 stone gauntlets of power", on T:100544 (1 day, 5:34:17)
19:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:100552 (1 day, 5:34:43)
19:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Abdlabl (Kni Cen Fem Cha), 821 points, T:1277, killed by a leocrotta
19:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dra Mal Cha) stole 205314 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Ouiatchouane's general store, on T:29564 (6:22:10)
20:07 <rld> <@loggers_viii> dichotomy is really really good, yeah. It suffers in the late game which stops it from being op, but it probably doesn’t need something to make it better where it struggles
20:10 <Umbire> "Drow characters that are in a darkened square gain a to-hit bonus of (XL/3 + 2) when attacking using drow weapons, [[bare-handed combat]] (including [[thievery]] & [[martial arts]]) or the [[artifact]] [[Shadowblade]]; drow characters in lit squares have a -4 to-hit penalty for the same weapons, and cannot regenerate HP normally. Non-player drow gain a to-hit bonus of ([[Monster level|ML]]/3 + 2) with all weapons in dark squares, and have a -3 to-hit 
20:10 <Umbire> penalty in lit squares."
20:10 <Umbire> this seem fine terrapin?
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20:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1970 points, T:2692, poisoned by a gray fungus
20:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of protection", on T:43585 (5:12:06)
20:16 <Loggers_VIII> just realized since the shirt gives me MR I don't gotta use this cloak of MR
20:18 <Loggers_VIII> god phasing is such a fun effect
20:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 236 points, T:316, killed by a riding accident
20:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:101561 (1 day, 6:07:47)
20:21 <Loggers_VIII> go terrapin go!
20:22 <tinklebear> I would have thought that #kick your steed was a good idea, when you're XP level 1 and faced with a mmf one square away
20:22 <tinklebear> but as it turns out, that is NOT a good idea
20:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:101582 (1 day, 6:09:21)
20:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:44610 (5:20:40)
20:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a winged gargoyle), on T:44963 (5:23:49)
20:29 <Loggers_VIII> I do not know where that mf came from
20:30 <Loggers_VIII> I think that was my first revive, though
20:30 <Loggers_VIII> nurse dancing has just gone terribly wrong today
20:31 <tinklebear> !whereis loggers
20:31 <Hecubus> tinklebear: [hdf-us] Loggers [evil]: (Con Dra Mal Cha) T:44609 Sokoban level: 6
20:31 <tinklebear> seems like a natural location
20:32 <Loggers_VIII> K2: it would be nice if draugrs had a way to see how many times they had died
20:32 <Loggers_VIII> like in #conduct or something (you have died x times)
20:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed the White Horse, on T:101870 (1 day, 6:19:51)
20:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:101872 (1 day, 6:19:56)
20:34 <Loggers_VIII> well, my HP's up to 263 from 130, so I'd say that was worth it
20:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:101933 (1 day, 6:21:21)
20:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:101935 (1 day, 6:21:24)
20:35 <Loggers_VIII> what the fuck terrapin how did you get so much HP lol
20:35 <Loggers_VIII> ooh, full tur
20:35 <Loggers_VIII> tour
20:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:102022 (1 day, 6:24:34)
20:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:102025 (1 day, 6:24:37)
20:39 <Loggers_VIII> those woollies are cleaning house
20:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of a housecat named Ishi", on T:102085 (1 day, 6:26:27)
20:40 <Loggers_VIII> grats!
20:40 <tinklebear> congrats, terrapin
20:40 <Umbire> geeg
20:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha), 7223713 points, T:102087, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/terrapin/evilhack/dumplog/1708417278.evil.html
20:42 <Loggers_VIII> why Ishi? is that a reference to something that I don't get?
20:43 <Loggers_VIII> ashjdjahsgd a genetic engineer riding a mumak caught me with all my clothes off
20:43 <terrapin> Umbire the wiki excerpt looks good for weapon bonuses. drow do regenerate HP but at a slower rate, while "cannot regenerate HP normally" could be interpreted as them no regenerating at all
20:44 <terrapin> HP is from alchemy, mostly
20:44 <terrapin> Ishi was my cat; she passed away about a week ago so I thought she would be a good companion to ascend with
20:44 <Umbire> iron stops HP regen for drow right?
20:45 <Umbire> like with elves
20:45 <Umbire> aw
20:45 <Loggers_VIII> ah, I see. sorry for you loss, then
20:45 <terrapin> yeah iron stops regen fully, but light only slows it
20:45 <Loggers_VIII> *your
20:45 <terrapin> thanks. she lived a full life
20:47 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Drow_(monster_attribute)&diff=168720&oldid=168581
20:47 <Umbire> and now she's gone to her reward by your side
20:48 * tinklebear silently observes a melancholy moment
20:49 <Loggers_VIII> oh, I should fight Kathryn before going down to votd
20:49 <terrapin> yeah, wiki looks good to me, Umbire
20:50 <Loggers_VIII> actually, I'd rather to votd to get level higher and then farm to get dichotomy. so I was right after all
20:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 959 points, T:1464, killed by a baby owlbear, while fainted from lack of food
20:50 <Loggers_VIII> *do votd. holyI can't type today
20:51 <Loggers_VIII> **holy I >:(
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20:52 <Umbire> I      a remembered, unseen holy creature
20:53 <Loggers_VIII> heh
20:57 <xdminsy> Congratulation terrapin!
20:59 <terrapin> thanks!
21:03 <Loggers_VIII> what's the level at which player monsters get stupid?
21:05 <Loggers_VIII> actually I'm going to go to level 30 anyways, idk why I'm asking
21:05 <tinklebear> I try to stay at or below 18, fwiw.
21:06 <tinklebear> and consider around 14/15 sufficient
21:06 <Loggers_VIII> yeah well you also waltz around the lategame with like 100 HP, we have different mindsets :P
21:07 <tinklebear> lol. I doubt I've been in late game with merely 100
21:07 <Loggers_VIII> I saw you at the final demon lair with not a point over 120 :)
21:07 <tinklebear> more than 100!
21:08 <Loggers_VIII> yeah alright fair
21:08 <tinklebear> :D
21:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:49283 (5:52:10)
21:10 <Loggers_VIII> it's kind of fun that wargs and uruk-hai are color coded now
21:11 <K2> congrats terrapin \o/
21:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had a platinum knife entrusted to him by Tymora, on T:49806 (5:54:11)
21:12 <Loggers_VIII> tymora I really dislike you
21:12 <Loggers_VIII> "the flaming sphere looks rather ill" lol, how?
21:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:50362 (5:56:44)
21:16 <K2> hahaha
21:17 <K2> really?
21:17 <Loggers_VIII> really!
21:17 <K2> WTF
21:17 <K2> unplayable
21:18 <Loggers_VIII> that's one of those "the floating eye coughs!" type messages :)
21:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:51316 (6:00:41)
21:19 <tinklebear> can umber hulks still confuse gelatinous cubes with their gaze attack?
21:19 <tinklebear> that was a good one
21:22 <tinklebear> these soft-living gnomes and dwarves. hardly any of their gear is cursed!
21:22 * tinklebear goes off to look for the manager
21:23 <Loggers_VIII> are gelatinous cubes mindless?
21:23 <Loggers_VIII> @e?spotted jelly
21:23 <Hecubus> spotted jelly (j) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 0 | Res: acid petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 0d6 passive acid | Align: 0 | genocidable, amorphous, breathless, mindless, passes-bars, vegan
21:23 <Loggers_VIII> @e?gelatinous cube
21:23 <Hecubus> gelatinous cube (b) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 8 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison acid petrification | Confer: fire cold sleep shock | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 2d4 touch paralyze, 1d4 engulf wrap, 1d4 passive paralyze | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, mindless, vegan
21:23 <tinklebear> they ought to be blind!
21:24 <tinklebear> you are blind, when polymorphed into one
21:24 <Loggers_VIII> mindless creatures should be immune to confusion
21:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:51881 (6:01:59)
21:24 <Loggers_VIII> fucking werebane
21:25 <tinklebear> good argument, Loggers_VIII
21:25 <tinklebear> wait, what's wrong with a sweet silver saber?
21:25 <K2> Loggers_VIII hates werebane
21:25 <Loggers_VIII> waste of an artifact. if I wanted a good silver weapon I'd make a silver broadsword of lightning
21:26 <tinklebear> gah, a boredsword, you mean
21:26 <Loggers_VIII> broaden your horizons
21:26 <tinklebear> okay, I'm a little ashamed of "boredsword"
21:27 <Loggers_VIII> what even is a broadsword, anyway
21:27 <tinklebear> machete, but scottish?
21:28 <K2> its a sword. and its broad
21:28 <K2> so silly
21:28 <Loggers_VIII> wikipedia says 'double-edged basket-hilted sword'
21:28 <Loggers_VIII> I guess you could say the definition is quite... broad
21:29 <Loggers_VIII> yes, the question was a setup for that joke. I'm a little ashamed
21:30 <Loggers_VIII> damn I'm getting my ass beat by Uggudh the Canoness
21:31 <tinklebear> AC: -31??
21:31 <tinklebear> oh, protection spell
21:34 <xdminsy> Heh the value of Werebane is simply unlock the saber skill.
21:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:122283 (1 day, 5:12:51)
21:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:122285 (1 day, 5:12:56)
21:34 <xdminsy> Otherwise in vanilla it's even worth than a regular silver saber that Werebane cannot be wielded in second hand.
21:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided vampire mages, on T:122341 (1 day, 5:13:54)
21:37 <Loggers_VIII> oh, I totally forgot about weight restrictions for twoweaponing in evil
21:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:122541 (1 day, 5:17:41)
21:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:55029 (6:19:54)
21:43 <Loggers_VIII> that's nice, but for now I'll use GoP to dual wield
21:43 <Loggers_VIII> cmon game you know you wanna give me frost brand
21:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:55184 (6:21:09)
21:44 <Loggers_VIII> frost brand tho
21:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:122954 (1 day, 5:23:13)
21:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:56331 (6:24:09)
21:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:123194 (1 day, 5:27:21)
21:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:57348 (6:27:31)
21:50 <Loggers_VIII> ok cool
21:51 <xdminsy> Dichotomy is the great weapon against those monsters don't resist it :D
21:52 <xdminsy> Kinda like it.
21:52 <Loggers_VIII> can you die from stats going down because you abused them?
21:52 <Loggers_VIII> yeah dichotomy is just the coolest thing ever I think
21:53 <Loggers_VIII> I currently have 4 dex and it shows no signs of going back up because I'm satiated ALL the time
21:53 <K2> stop stuffing your face then
21:53 <K2> nomnomnomnom
21:53 <xdminsy> I think it's 3 times damage to those who have no fire or cold resistance?
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21:54 <Loggers_VIII> yeah it is xdminsy
21:54 <Loggers_VIII> K2 okay yeah but will I DIE though :p
21:54 <Loggers_VIII> I need to keep stuffing my face because I'm terrified I'll starve if I don't
21:54 <xdminsy> Lol that's cool I find last game it sometimes does more damage than my Grayswandir.
21:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:57997 (6:32:02)
21:54 <xdminsy> Maybe you can pray to restore your ability.
21:55 <xdminsy> Restore 10+ points of dex seems awesome :D
21:55 <K2> Loggers_VIII at this point in the game, finding corpses to eat should be fairly trivial
21:56 <Loggers_VIII> it is, which allows me to stay satiated all the time so I don't have to worry about hunger :D
21:56 <K2> lol
21:56 <Loggers_VIII> I really don't care about the dex I just don't want to die because I didn't restore it
21:56 <K2> you realize draugr can stay hungry for twice as long as other races/roles right?
21:56 <K2> they have that in common with convicts
21:57 <Loggers_VIII> I don't ever wanna be hungry at this point!
21:57 <xdminsy> Maybe you can find one ring of sustain ability.
21:57 <Loggers_VIII> that's too close to the edge brother
21:57 <Loggers_VIII> oh that's smart xdminsy
21:58 <xdminsy> I wear that last game to avoid the Dichotomy always lowering down my strength when farming.
22:00 <xdminsy> Normal bracers won't break in light I think?
22:00 <tinklebear> correct, xdminsy. normal bracers are made of leather.
22:01 <tinklebear> and not drowcraft
22:01 <xdminsy> Leather huh, so can they be dragonhide?
22:01 <tinklebear> whoa!
22:01 <tinklebear> :D
22:01 <xdminsy> I see loggers has a mithril bracers.
22:02 <tinklebear> interesting
22:03 <tinklebear> @e? bracers
22:03 <Hecubus> No such monster.
22:03 <tinklebear> oh. hm.
22:03 <rld> <@loggers_viii> oh, I had assumed bracers were metallic by default
22:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:123870 (1 day, 5:42:34)
22:04 <rld> <@loggers_viii> actually, they must be, otherwise I couldn’t have mithril ones
22:04 <tinklebear> do an in-game query for "bracers"
22:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Con Dra Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a winter wolf, on T:26249 (2:50:08)
22:04 <tinklebear> (or show me how to do a chatbot one)
22:05 <xdminsy> Wow shadowrider.
22:05 <xdminsy> I have to compile a local 0.8.4 first.
22:06 <Loggers_VIII> oh you are right, tinklebear, they are leather
22:06 <terrapin> they use a brand-new material list. default leather but all the other good options like bone/stone/mithril/dragonhide are available too
22:06 <Loggers_VIII> that's strange. how do I have mithril ones?
22:06 <Loggers_VIII> ah thanks terrapin
22:06 <K2> regular bracers, default material is leather, but they can spawn made of all sorts of materials
22:06 <Loggers_VIII> that makes sense
22:07 <K2> metal bracers can be forged
22:07 <Loggers_VIII> okeydokey time to curbstomp kathryn's domain with dichotomy
22:07 <terrapin> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/636bef3592e3f4bb4bae561c18cdb090cea7202d/src/attrib.c#L649 <- Loggers
22:07 <xdminsy> Cool so a blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide bracers of telepathy worth a wish.
22:08 <K2> sure
22:08 <K2> h - a blessed +2 pair of dragonhide bracers of telepathy (13 aum)
22:08 <Loggers_VIII> I think bracers should have more of a downside, like terrapin was saying earlier. because right now they are pretty conclusively better than shields
22:09 <K2> i missed that discussion
22:09 <tinklebear> McEnroe's bracers of Profanity
22:09 <Loggers_VIII> I wouldn't mind if they're a bit better, but right now they're the obvious choice
22:09 <terrapin> Loggers has basically summed up the entirety of the discussion
22:09 <K2> Honey Boo-Boo's bracers of twinkies
22:09 <Loggers_VIII> wasn't much of a discussion, it was just terrapin saying bracers were a little too good and everyone telling him to be quiet :P
22:09 <tinklebear> bobblebracers
22:10 <K2> chinese finger trap, but bracers
22:10 <tinklebear> lol
22:10 <shadowrider38> what are bracers and why are they awesome
22:10 <Loggers_VIII> shadowrider: shield but doesn't inhibit twoweaponing
22:10 <xdminsy> long time no see shadowrider.
22:10 <tinklebear> tennis players invented them
22:10 <K2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracer
22:10 <xdminsy> Yes and seems they have no downside now.
22:10 <terrapin> I was thinking about it and i wonder if having some kinda dexterity requirement might be interesting. gauntlets of dexterity get so little love with GoP able to be nonmetallic
22:11 <shadowrider38> whoa thats broken
22:11 <terrapin> but idk if there would be a good way to choose a dex threshold
22:11 <Loggers_VIII> if that gets made a thing please wait until AFTER my 4 dexterity draugr ascends to implement it :)
22:11 <shadowrider38> hi xdminsy hows it going
22:11 <terrapin> they do hurt spellcasting
22:11 <shadowrider38> imagine casting spells
22:11 <Loggers_VIII> yeah but so do shields, so it's sort of a moot point
22:12 <Loggers_VIII> moot is such a nice word. I enjoy it
22:12 <xdminsy> If there's dragonhide bracers, why use dark elven bracers.
22:12 <tinklebear> cursed bracers slide down and trap your fingers
22:12 <xdminsy> They won't even break in light :D
22:12 <K2> google 'medieval bracers'
22:13 <K2> so maybe think of version 0.8.4 has the nice update. 0.9.0 will bring the pain
22:13 <K2> all your nerf are belong to us
22:13 <tinklebear> THE PAIN
22:13 <Loggers_VIII> looking forward to it
22:13 <K2> :P
22:14 <K2> i kid, nerf coming
22:14 <K2> HAH
22:14 <K2> (still kidding)
22:14 <K2> brb
22:14 <xdminsy> They are good that all dualwielders can make use of shield slot.
22:15 <xdminsy> Maybe we can instead buff some roles that cannot dual-wield.
22:16 <Loggers_VIII> aw, dichotomy only went to +6
22:17 <Loggers_VIII> whoa, these new ice traps are nasty
22:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:58624 (6:49:01)
22:18 <xdminsy> So maybe worth reading some confused gold detection in ice realm.
22:20 <Loggers_VIII> realizing I have no way of opening the crystal chests in ice queen D:
22:20 <Loggers_VIII> actually nvm I have the bell
22:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) had a wooden dagger entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:45820 (18:31:59)
22:22 <Loggers_VIII> classic moloch
22:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:58973 (6:54:48)
22:24 <Loggers_VIII> mannn that was cathartic. there's been so many times where kathryn totally destroyed me, feels nice to turn the tables
22:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2163 (0:55:06)
22:27 <xdminsy> I heard that this channel has taught me that to use some scrolls of fire to fight kathryn.
22:27 <Loggers_VIII> oh, that reminds me, I was saving some scrolls of fire for this but I forgot to use them
22:27 <xdminsy> I did that everytime I think and seems hardly do damage to kathryn :D
22:27 <bouquet_> 5 scrolls and then whack her with your weapon once and that'll usually do it
22:28 <xdminsy> Often she has fire resistance or heal herself.
22:28 <bouquet_> I 1-shot her recently with Tsurugi of Muramasa
22:28 <tinklebear> nice
22:28 <xdminsy> Lucky dice.
22:28 <bouquet_> chopped her in half
22:29 <tinklebear> "defeated"
22:29 <bouquet_> problem with giant samurai is it's so easy to just wade through huge crowds of monsters that I end up doing something stupid like walking off a cliff.
22:29 <Loggers_VIII> I love oneshot weapons
22:29 <tinklebear> defeated her in half
22:29 <Loggers_VIII> coaxes you into a false sense of security, huh?
22:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Inf Dra Mal Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:46195 (18:39:14)
22:29 <bouquet_> reminds me of that song "Chopped In Half" by Obituary.
22:29 <bouquet_> Loggers_VIII: ya, I get sloppy.
22:30 <bouquet_> I start playing nethack like it's diablo
22:30 <Loggers_VIII> hahaha I get that
22:31 <xdminsy> Wow loggers you are already level 25.
22:31 <bouquet_> I have to force myself to stop and save game and take a break
22:31 <Loggers_VIII> I ate some wraiths
22:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:59557 (7:01:51)
22:32 <xdminsy> I stay below 19 like others too.
22:32 <tinklebear> Chopped in half, by Cookie Monster
22:32 <Loggers_VIII> oh oops, since I have infravision the beholders can see me
22:32 <Loggers_VIII> that's stupid. I don't like the 'if you can see a monster it can see you' rule
22:32 <tinklebear> is that still so?
22:32 <bouquet_> is there any reason to keep ones level low in evilhack? I thought that was a vanilla thing
22:33 <K2> not really
22:33 <K2> esp once you've killed rodney for the first time
22:33 <tinklebear> K2 has an interest in hiding the truth!
22:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:59698 (7:03:48)
22:33 <K2> the truth is, stay at a lower level at your own peril
22:33 <Loggers_VIII> beholder disintegrated my bracers of excellence :(
22:33 <tinklebear> er, K2's caveat "esp. once you've killed Rodney part" scans okay
22:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) genocided beholders, on T:59700 (7:04:19)
22:34 <tinklebear> the best liars mix a little truth in with falsehoods
22:34 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, but I find the player monsters are scary if you reach high level.
22:34 <Loggers_VIII> you can keep your level low if you don't like the scary player monsters, but I think they're fine
22:34 <Loggers_VIII> they give you a lot of good loot and they're not too hard to kill
22:34 * tinklebear agrees with xdminsy
22:35 <bouquet_> when they show up with -40AC then you need to whip out those wands of cancellation.
22:35 <bouquet_> otherwise they're a pain unless you're a wiz with aoe spells.
22:35 <tinklebear> I'm happy with holy/unholy waters from priests and the other guys
22:35 <bouquet_> they're a great source of scrolls and potions
22:35 <tinklebear> ^ also true
22:36 <tinklebear> but that is true regardless of their level
22:36 <bouquet_> how many amulets of MR do you really need, though
22:36 <xdminsy> Yes but them have those starting items when weak too.
22:36 <Loggers_VIII> they have better items when they're higher level and they're more enchanted
22:36 <xdminsy> I'd like to have amulet of MR or bag of holding from them if I don't have.
22:36 <bouquet_> sometimes they're my first carrying container.
22:37 <bouquet_> in those games where rng denies me a sack
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22:37 <Loggers_VIII> the hidden dungeon is such a fun level. wish it had another layout or two though
22:37 <Loggers_VIII> hey, the flayer larvae didn't get killed by prisoners this time! nice
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22:39 <K2> i'll prob make at least one more hidden dungeon level next version
22:39 <K2> was thinking about it for this version but then draugr happened
22:40 <xdminsy> Will Tal'Gath has special drop?
22:40 <xdminsy> I seems to forget about the hidden dungeon many games.
22:40 <Loggers_VIII> he sometimes has a marker in his chest
22:41 <Loggers_VIII> the main reason to kill him is to genocide beholders, though. so if you don't care about that it's fairly skippable
22:41 <xdminsy> The beholder gaze destruction doensn't respect reflection right? So we must blind before caught in sight of a beholder?
22:41 <xdminsy> Yes seems I never genocided beholder.
22:42 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
22:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:60340 (7:11:02)
22:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dra Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:60351 (7:11:10)
22:43 <Loggers_VIII> seems even moloch priests don't like draugr :(
22:43 <Loggers_VIII> alhoon welcoming party to gehennom!
22:43 <Loggers_VIII> well, I've played an unhealthy amount of evilhack today. probably time to stop. might come back if I see shadowrider has a chance of overtaking me :P
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22:44 <xdminsy> Take a rest loggers.
22:45 <shadowrider38> little does he know i will not sleep until i win
22:45 <shadowrider38> jk lol
22:46 <xdminsy> heh then you'll be the first draugr convict.
22:46 <xdminsy> Good luck.
22:48 <bouquet_> I geno'd beholders this game because I got disintegrated twice recently.
22:48 <bouquet_> by early beholders.
22:48 <shadowrider38> he can be the first one, i sniped the drow convict from him last time
22:48 <shadowrider38> would like to finish before june if possible tho
22:53 <K2> hmmm whoops
22:53 <K2> unaligned priests arent supposed to be hostile to draugr
22:55 <K2> infidel draugr are fine at least
22:55 <K2> i think src/priest.c line 470 is where i messed up a bit
22:55 <K2> but i'm too tired to fix it tonight
22:56 <K2> tomorrow!
22:58 <shadowrider38> k2 great work with draugr
22:58 <K2> thanks
22:58 <shadowrider38> easily favorite race
22:58 <K2> terrapin did a lot of coding for it as well
22:58 <K2> really? you like draugr that much?
22:59 <shadowrider38> it has uneviled all the evil parts of evil at least so far
22:59 <K2> oh god NO
22:59 <shadowrider38> :PP
22:59 <K2> lol
22:59 <shadowrider38> dont have to worry about zombie attacks which is awesome
23:00 <shadowrider38> breathless means scary stuff like elementals and gel cubes or whatever is laughable
23:00 <shadowrider38> and then starts resistant to freaking everything
23:00 <K2> ah that reminds me
23:00 <K2> they're supposed to be vulnerable to fire
23:00 <shadowrider38> oh
23:01 <shadowrider38> lmk when you make that change, from then on they will easily be my least favorite race
23:01 <K2> hahah
23:02 <K2> i dunno, playing a race that can never get above 50% fire res would kill interested
23:02 <K2> *interest
23:02 <K2> gehennom you'd constantly be taking damage
23:02 <shadowrider38> no fire res is very painful
23:03 <shadowrider38> i remember trying a slashthem troll which was ezmode the whole game and then you cry all throughout gehennom
23:03 <shadowrider38> that was 0% fire res
23:03 <K2> ugh
23:03 <Umbire> Something something Hack'EM vampires.
23:03 <shadowrider38> and surely itd be harder with evil mons
23:04 <K2> oh i know
23:04 <K2> i know what to do
23:05 <K2> and this'll work out well since resistances arent binary
23:06 <K2> draugr: can still build up fire res, but it'll go at a slower pace. any fire based attacks against them do 3x the amount of damage
23:06 <K2> ^ this rather than permanent fire res nerf
23:06 <shadowrider38> 3X?? ToT
23:07 <K2> or 2xz
23:07 <K2> 2x
23:07 <K2> something
23:07 <shadowrider38> seems like a reasonable idea
23:08 <terrapin> could also maybe cap intrinsic fire resistance at 50% (or whatever) rather than give them vulnerability?
23:08 <K2> infidel draugr laughs in 100% starting fire res
23:08 <K2> terrapin yeah
23:08 <K2> would make an external source of fire res valuable
23:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 673 points, T:4047, killed by the Goblin King
23:09 <terrapin> i've long thought that capping all intrinsics at like 80% would be fun and evil(TM). but that's another discussion
23:09 <K2> hah oooh boy
23:09 <K2> that would have some serious balance implications
23:10 <shadowrider38> wait, extrinsic resistance doesnt protect inventory? :(
23:10 <K2> neither does intrinsic
23:10 <terrapin> nah that's a 3.7 thing
23:10 <K2> there are some narrow exceptions in evilhack
23:10 <shadowrider38> wowww, how evil
23:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 32 points, T:142, killed by a lichen
23:11 <shadowrider38> include 3.7 shocking spheres but dont include 3.7 shocking sphere protection i see how it is
23:11 <K2> if you wield the forged artifact tempest, it'll protect your inventory from elec damage
23:13 <shadowrider38> forging a specific artifact requires loggers level altar camping
23:13 <shadowrider38> ill pass
23:14 <shadowrider38> especially because i accidentally crowned
23:14 <terrapin> i usually just wear nonmetallic gloves and only carry wands of lightning
23:15 <terrapin> (crowning doesn't affect sac gift timeout)
23:16 <bouquet_> but doesn't it extend the period between when your deity likes you, and by extension how often you might get a sac gift?
23:16 <K2> shadowrider38, if you havent yet, you have to experience wearing ashmar, or the armor of retribution
23:17 <K2> or if you have a steed you really like, forge ithilmar
23:17 <shadowrider38> nono you misunderstand me, im mad at tymora for crowning me before i was ready, and in retaliation i am going to have nothing to do with them
23:17 <K2> hah
23:18 <shadowrider38> nice try k2, ashmar is a shield which is not the meta anymore because you added bracers
23:18 <K2> future druid quest artifact are bracers
23:19 <K2> ashmar is awesome because of shield skill and knockback
23:19 <K2> bracers cant be used to attack
23:20 <shadowrider38> mmmm
23:20 <shadowrider38> attacking with shield vs attacking with extra weapon...
23:21 <K2> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Shields
23:23 <shadowrider38> +1 ac
23:23 <shadowrider38> convict sux
23:29 <xdminsy> Heh should be.
23:36 <bouquet_> shield at skilled or better with ashmar is actually really good.
23:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 5888 points, T:4136, killed by a steel arrow, while moving through the air
23:36 <tinklebear> afdlakfadf zootown
23:37 <tinklebear> I killed the blue dragon from polytrap, but died to caged zootown orcs.
23:37 <tinklebear> once again
23:43 <tinklebear> never again
23:43 * tinklebear shakes fist
23:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 427 points, T:730, killed by an elven dagger