00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4801 (0:39:02) 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:24598 (3:17:53) 01:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6229 (0:59:09) 01:50 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5810 (1:38:29) 02:29 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 8736 points, T:7440, killed by a bolt of lightning, while sleeping 02:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:10787 (1:30:06) 02:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 7312 points, T:11030, killed by a rabid dog 02:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1624 (0:10:42) 03:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:2826 (0:26:39) 03:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:32432 (12:32:40) 03:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible SludgeGunkman's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:32459 (12:35:25) 03:50 !tell krm26 congrats! 03:50 I'm on it, mobileuser. 03:50 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:13 grats krm26! 04:41 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:17 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 10829 points, T:8830, killed by a mumak 05:50 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:10 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:34344 (13:23:53) 07:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:34564 (13:27:13) 07:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6116 points, T:5571, zombified by a drow zombie 07:14 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:14 have to keep trying to maintain 2/3rds of your ascensions mobileuser -- keeps getting harder! 07:14 krm26: Message from mobileuser at 2024-05-17 03:50 EDT: congrats! 07:15 :-) 07:15 im slightly motivated by my zscore right now but it tells me to run caveman and i say noooooo 07:18 giant healer will soon be added! 07:18 is there any way to play a caveman as anything but the equivalent of a blind, spelless priest? 07:20 they are unskilled in all spell schools and have 20% chance of failing to read a spellbook 07:20 right 07:21 they have the bad single-handed damage output of a priest and...nothing else 07:21 it isn't that they are too shitty to ascend, but they just seem so joyless to play 07:22 they can use more types of weapon than a priest 07:22 well, not much more, but still... 07:33 ... 07:33 maybe dramborleg? maybe? 07:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1827 points, T:3083, killed by the hallucinogen-distorted Goblin King 07:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1214 points, T:916, killed by a dwarf lord 08:24 krm26 no edged weapon skills, I don't know exactly what they do get. at least the usual blunt stuff and trident. I would guess spear too. 08:25 "no edged weapon skills" -- but they can use arrows, axes... 08:28 the wiki is in error. i guess they mean no swords, since they can use literally every other edged anything 08:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4109 points, T:3945, killed by an ettin zombie 08:34 morning 08:34 i stayed up WAY too late last night 08:38 mornin' 08:38 afternoon 08:43 i cant stay up late any more or i am a Z 08:43 i was up til 3am 08:43 didnt mean to 08:44 was working on some code, looked at the clock, 3am 08:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4559 (0:46:17) 08:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1141 (0:09:15) 08:52 neovim 0.10 is out for you nerds 08:52 https://gpanders.com/blog/whats-new-in-neovim-0.10/ :) 08:58 ah, giant caveman 08:58 unfortunately the suck at using slings :-( 08:58 * they 09:00 everyone sucks at slings due to the sling suckage 09:01 heh, I've played other cavepeople with a nice set of blessed silver bullets 09:01 surprisingly effective 09:01 i guess they ARE forgeable now 09:02 has anyone ever done this supposed flint-arrow caveperson thing? 09:02 and in the next version they can even have oprops 09:02 seems to me that no matter how good you make the arrow you are still a shitty archer 09:02 flint-arrow: never bothered 09:05 to be fair to the wiki, it says "Can never UNRESTRICT edged weapon skills", as in, when your god grants you a weapon 09:05 doesn't mean you don't have any edged weapon skills to start with 09:05 you are a closer reader than i! 09:06 lol I had to read that 3 times 09:06 it's even likely I made that edit myself :-P 09:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Gia Fem Neu), 5651 points, T:5052, killed by a warg 09:12 so i was working on a new race 09:13 silly to do this close to go time (june) but we talked about it yesterday and i couldnt resist 09:21 zombie? 09:23 btw, what happens if you hit the chance of getting resurrected as a zombie when dying from a zombie bite, but you're wearing life saving? 09:24 do you still become a zombie without using up the amulet, or do you get life-saved? 09:27 <@loggers_viii> I want to think you get life saved 09:28 probably, but I was hoping you would still become a zombie 09:29 would be a riskless way to try to become one 09:31 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 09:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:32 yeah zombie 09:32 but not 09:32 its a bit odd 09:33 race is being called 'Draugr' which is a norse/viking name for a zombie 09:33 working out some kinks 09:33 funny enough ppl were talking about swedish names for undead on discord 09:34 (draugr) 09:35 <<< let draugr get pets by opening graves and having the revealed undead be tame 09:35 that is actually an exceptionall small smop 09:36 what's the chance to become a spectre when you die? 09:36 gotta be exp lvl 15 or higher 09:36 i think that's the cutoff 09:36 draugr is a better idea than generic zombie 09:37 ah "draugr" is a good one, already a monster in splice and hackem 09:37 high str, low cha, drain and sleep resistance 09:37 jinx 09:37 this is what I have so far - https://termbin.com/b79c 09:37 they arent traditional western "mindless" zombies -- more like unsexy vampires 09:37 but seriously k2, let em dig up grave pets, that would be hysterical, and fitting 09:38 what i have so far - they are basically zombos 09:38 they have a bite attack just like zombies 09:39 for the spectre thing I mean the chance to become permanently transformed into a spectre, not whether you leave one in your bones or not 09:39 certain humanoid monsters killed by a draugr's bite can revive as a zombie, but they're hostile still. the code to make them tame is gone and its complicated to add it back (xnethack had a hell of a time doing that). so in its place... 09:39 you know how a convict can chat up a rat and make it tame? draugr can do the same with zombies 09:40 do you have any dependency on eating brain? 09:40 they start with a ton of resistances, but wont earn any (per race) as they level up 09:40 cbus yes and no 09:40 oh, and if you wanna "be fun" you could have the quest deal with the origin about zoambie outbreak 09:41 like ghouls, they cant eat anything except meaty corpses and eggs 09:41 and when they eat brains they gain nutrition that way too 09:42 this is what a draugr will start out with right out of the gate 09:42 You are 100% cold resistant. 09:42 You are 100% sleep resistant. 09:42 You are 100% poison resistant. 09:42 You are level-drain resistant from current creature form. 09:42 You are immune to sickness innately. 09:42 You are immune to the effects of death magic from current creature form. 09:42 You have infravision innately. 09:42 You aggravate monsters innately. 09:42 You can survive without air. 09:42 so what's the horrible drawbacks 09:42 they are slow like tortles 09:43 do they instakill with sickness? 09:43 they're technically vulrnerable to fire but that isnt coming across for some reason 09:43 praying will never work because it's undead? 09:43 i have a lot to do still 09:43 another drawback is the food thing 09:45 even though they are flagged as MH_UNDEAD, not everything carries over 09:45 only eating meaty corpses is pretty sad 09:45 its on par with vampire race in other variants 09:46 oh even though enlightenment doesnt show it, they arent affected by withering either 09:46 should let them be any role 09:46 cuz like, anyone can become a zombie 09:46 havent worked it in yet, but spellcasting will be a no-go 09:46 as will having esp 09:47 they arent completely mindless, but damn close 09:48 i'm not sure i can work this in for this release 09:48 not mindless, just brain damaged? :p 09:48 heh 09:49 another thing i wanted to do, is have them revive X number of times when killed 09:49 with X being a random number per game 09:49 that bit would be tricky 09:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:442 (0:02:44) 09:55 like mobileuser said, will you be able to pray? gods don't like when you're undead 09:56 xdminsy, are you up for zombie convict? :P 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Venus, on T:655 (0:06:33) 09:59 butttt you just started me with a cloak 2 minutes ago! 09:59 already had enough of caveman? ;-) 09:59 yeah well invisibility > displacement 10:01 Loggers_VIII I dunno yet 10:01 I'm surprised that the vampire player race can pray in the variants that implement it 10:02 not being able to pray would be a rather large ding 10:02 mobileuser, I guess the thoughts might be that they are "still part human" 10:02 or something 10:02 but yeah it is kinda weird 10:03 heheh make them worship orcus 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1208 points, T:3114, quit 10:06 he's like, ruler of the undead or whatever isn't he 10:06 yeah 10:06 or worship death 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:1526 (0:15:20) 10:07 wow venus is ON POINT this morning 10:07 whoa lucky! 10:07 HAX 10:08 maybe I have this wrong, when you are polymorphed into an undead creature I think prayer is still OK for chaotics 10:09 you are right, I just tested 10:11 yup same 10:11 ok whew 10:12 hah, the goblintown shop has a dragonhide cloak of invisibility, so venus failed doubly 10:12 same for unaligned 10:13 I tested unaligned secretly hoping that moloch would get mad because it would be funny 10:13 draugr infidel \o/ 10:14 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:16 omigod mobileuser you have to check out this cursed start...dl2, from god on coaligned alter and the goblintown shop 10:16 speed boots, gauntlets of protection, dragonhide invis cloak, frost brand 10:17 100% dead by 10k turns 10:21 CURSED 10:22 btw, how many times have you claimed your priest would die? ;-) 10:23 i have killed 180 priests in evilhack 10:24 my priest win percentage is pretty abysmal (as are all of my win percentages) 10:26 nethackscoreboard tells me my easy of ascension goes heal>val>kn>mnk>pr>rng... i have a 0.4% ascension with infidel, my only sub-1% 10:26 while i think your worst ascension % is like 80 :-) 10:27 I'm above 50% overall at the moment, pretty pleased with that 10:27 i just really enjoy scum-starting sometimes 10:28 plus i frequently like playing inattentively to kill boring early games 10:30 your current game is not boring, good luck! 10:30 bbl 10:30 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2471 (0:41:28) 10:44 more headway 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had a pair of kicking boots entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:11308 (1:29:14) 10:52 draugr cant cast spells. ever. if they try to read a spellbook, it wont work (except the book of the dead, hah) 10:53 semi-related - not sure how I want to deal with a draugr infidel and crowning 10:54 i mean...an infidel that cant cast spells...bleargh :-) 10:54 i know right? 10:54 but hey 10:54 zombie 10:57 ugh i gotta pack for this weekend 10:57 shouldn't a mindless playable race mean the player is unable to control their actions (i.e. your character can only be played by the fuzzer)? 10:57 brb 10:58 Noisytoot they arent completely mindless 10:58 just mindless-like if that makes sense 10:58 player cant be completely mindless 10:58 brb 10:59 ou contraire, i can indeed by completely mindless 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4014 (1:10:45) 11:18 @tell cbus lol i'm afraid i can't handle it well. 11:18 I am always here 11:18 :P 11:19 (I keep my ircshell runnig 24/7) :D 11:20 haha i see, 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased mithril amulet of magic resistance", on T:5184 (1:29:38) 11:22 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:22 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:27 not sure i've ever noticed -- do water walking autoidentify when walking through shallow water or sludge? 11:29 No, I think even if you walking into moat they won't autoidentify too. 11:35 i find it funny that you can swing a weapon long enough to learn its enchantment but if you walk naked in a pair of water walking boots over a moat you just dont get it 11:37 I eagerly await the PR 11:38 haha 11:38 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 538 points, T:1118, killed by the Goblin King 11:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:15162 (2:08:55) 11:47 actually I can add that 11:47 not difficult 11:47 i'm still ankle deep head first with this draugr stuff 11:52 yeah at some point the "reasonable auto-id" concept crept it but was applied piecemeal, dont think anyone ever took a pass through to look at everything 11:52 (i kinda think id of weapon enchantment through use should only kick in at skilled) 11:54 bt dubs, in my dreams, 2 darts + 2 crossbow bolts = arrow and 2 arrows + 2 sling-stones = crossbow bolt 11:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16360 (2:20:51) 11:57 it's long been arbitrary which things autoidentify 11:58 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:16412 (2:21:42) 12:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2824 (0:55:58) 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3601 (0:59:05) 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:6678 (1:59:03) 12:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) murdered Hecubus, her faithful lesser homunculus, on T:127 (0:00:34) 12:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:518 (0:01:54) 12:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2938 (0:21:44) 12:35 Suddenly I realize, maybe I should wish for Longbow of Diana next time. 12:36 whyever for 12:36 I think i could kill those boss with 300+ +7 arrows with unskilled bow. 12:36 oh no that is not a great plan :-) 12:36 also requires chaotic 12:37 what role were you having problems with? 12:37 I mostly play drow convict. 12:37 that is an aklys role! 12:37 can't you get skilled or expert in club? 12:38 Oh you're right I see. 12:38 a couple of +7 silver aklys do the trick on any of the demons 12:38 Ah yes, I think I don't need object properties. 12:38 they are VERY effective. +7 silver aklys of shock for the demons that aren't shock resistant if you want but not necessary 12:39 I've enchant one +7 mithril aklys this game early. 12:39 like, baphomet, asmodeus, graz'zt aren't shock resistant 12:39 But got eaten by a rock mole lol. 12:39 Then I switched to Dichotomy and Shadowblade. 12:39 Now I know that an aklys is better than these artifact. 12:40 the silver aklys is good for vlad and kas as well 12:40 Thank you krm26. 12:40 i'm still not a big believer in shadowblade myself, but dichotomy is the witch's tits for sure 12:40 I think shadowblade has so few damage output, not worth using it. 12:41 And really a lot of monsters reisist draining and make it 1d4 :{ 12:41 1d4 artifact :{ 12:41 I'd better use aklys. 12:41 now sword of annihilation/dichotomy dual wield convict is nice 12:41 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:41 but hammer of the gods/dichotomy is even better if you can manage to get it 12:42 Yes I think my 0.8.2 convicts have had sweet time with SoA. 12:42 Now it requires me to kill Vecna first lol :{ 12:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed dbanethacker the human zombie, and former Fighter, on T:4834 (0:30:06) 12:42 I think the main problem this game is my weapon choice, I find that in evilhack I should better avoid melee. 12:43 Just choose those ranged weapons :D. 12:43 early game snagging an aklys in the upper mines is a good convict strategy 12:44 Ah yes I usually use broadsword and aklys. 12:44 Sweet. 12:44 melee can be really good in evilhack but usually you want to use the SoA 12:45 but it's kind of sad to make that now cuz you miss out on the vecna item 12:45 i dont consider soa if my build strongly favors the hand or eye and i get it 12:46 soa has downsides too (no loot!) until the very endgame 12:47 it's only no loot like 10% of the time 12:47 the instakill is worth it, loot on monsters is usually lame 12:48 Yes, I like to instakill lucifer or vecna or whatever. 12:48 The damage! 12:51 i just feel bad one i 1-shot lucifer with soa (which has happened once) 12:52 one/when 12:52 sigh 12:52 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 12:52 on the other hand 1-shotting the wizard is always welcome 12:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 516 points, T:734, killed by a bolt of cold 12:53 the goblin king always has wands now 12:53 hit me twice with the same bolt of cold and killed me in one turn :( 12:54 shoulda waited until you were level 13 :-) 12:54 Hello all - a question about seeing invisible things. I sat on a throne and my vision became crystal clear. I was able to see my invisible self as an '@' sign. But about 1000 or so turns later, I can't see myself any more. I know that when you quaff a potion of see invisible that it lasts only a set number of turns. But I thought that if 12:54 you were granted "crystal clear" vision on a throne, that it's permanent. Any ideas if that's right or not? 12:54 What, why he always has wands? 12:54 is that some new commit. 12:54 he does not always have wands 12:54 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:54 loggers just having some "luck" 12:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping 12 etched arrows on an altar, on T:6475 (0:42:27) 12:55 heh sad unlucky loggers 12:55 dbanethacker, i did think throne see invis was permanent, however i too have noticed losing it in this past week or so 12:55 you can get it stolen by a magic trap 12:55 ^ true 12:56 Perhaps it's a new feature? 12:56 no changes have been made to see invis 12:56 hmmm, I don't recall hitting any magic traps since getting the crystal clear message. 12:56 check the ttyrec maybe 12:56 But who knows. Sure, thanks for the pointers / advice. 12:56 i dont know about you but i miss all sorts of "unmissable" events all the time :-) 12:57 heh me too, I'd always add new msgtype stop. 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] LordL (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 64 points, T:206, killed by a jackal 12:59 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:59 This game I lost twice my bracers, but I think my cursed magic lamp are always lit. 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 305 points, T:328, killed by the Goblin King 12:59 Then I check ttyrec and find it's disarmed in castle by a dwarvish bearded axe :{ 13:00 it's weird that that can happen. because, wouldn't they only be able to take one bracer off at a time with a bearded axe 13:00 -!- dbanethacker71 has joined #evilhack 13:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 570 points, T:430, killed by the Goblin King 13:01 double-bitted axe :-) 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:25451 (3:18:30) 13:03 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:10 Play game, and always editing .nethackrc :P. 13:10 My rc file already grows 3000 lines. 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11088 (3:58:26) 13:11 xdminsy, I got mine in git too :D 13:11 probably nothing unique since I keep all my configs in a dotfiles repo 13:11 Me too but hardly do I use git :]. 13:11 ah 13:12 I am a dev, I cant avoid it 13:12 (I really like it too so no biggie there) 13:12 -!- dbanethacker71 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:12 Yes I'm just lazy to commit lol. 13:12 if you want a fancy gui check out lazygit :D 13:12 might help you out 13:12 (TUI) 13:12 https://github.com/jesseduffield/lazygit 13:12 oh cool. 13:13 I use it and normal cli 13:13 I've used sourcetree or sometimes vscode git gui. 13:13 on windows I liked git fork 13:13 I have tried sourcetree and didnt like it once they changed ui and it became a mess 13:13 I used to remember a lot of git commands, but now I forget them heh. 13:13 https://git-fork.com/ is good though 13:14 hh thanks. 13:14 oh it's expensive. 13:14 free trial verison 13:14 without nagging 13:14 or they used to have it 13:15 (I have a license for it at work) 13:15 K2 a draugr infidel will get their spell schools + casting ability once crowned? 13:16 Great huh. 13:16 no demonic transformation for the undead! 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] LordL (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) destroyed dbanethacker the human zombie, and former Fighter, on T:1854 (0:21:13) 13:22 that would be a pretty weird infidel 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] LordL (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 1817 points, T:1927, killed by a human zombie called dbanethacker 13:24 dbanethacker strikes back! 13:27 What about adding an option that for players disabled bones loading to save bones upon death? 13:28 I wonder that if one throw aklys all the game, is it weaponless? 13:28 Seems yes. 13:29 Well but the main difficult is accidentally bump into monsters lol. 13:33 wear body armor as monk and you will never accidentally hit :-) 13:34 and for throwing things you don't get the penalty 13:35 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1814 (0:45:04) 13:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:35532 (13:53:42) 13:37 heh, there is my future black dragon junk artifact I guess :-) 13:37 Ah yes monks have no worries, maybe only need take care of pickaxe. 13:37 but with body armor, you will always miss 13:38 the to-hit penalty in evilhack is enormous 13:38 Oh i see. 13:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:11815 (1:26:18) 13:43 mobileuser no they wont 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1058 points, T:2102, killed by a rabid rat 13:44 ok... do they still turn into a demon then? 13:45 no 13:46 i'm working on the built in life saving bit 13:46 thats huge 13:46 right, it will be interesting to see what Moloch does when crowning then :-) 13:47 their wielded weapon still gets wreathed in hellfire 13:47 class_gift i'm gonna make something other than knowledge of a spell 13:48 there's also stuff with abilities and resistances 13:48 draugr vs demon 13:48 yup 13:48 i think i just need to add shock res 13:48 infidel draugr has pretty much everything else 13:48 even before crowning 13:48 will you take away (eg) cold res? 13:49 no 13:49 that's nice at least 13:49 undead are like elsa. the cold doesnt bother them anyway 13:49 undead generally have cold res 13:49 @e?draugr 13:49 draugr ~3~ drider (s) | Lvl: 14 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 15 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: sleep poison | MR: 15 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 2d8 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 1d4 bite drain str, 0d0 spit webs | Align: -15 | genocidable, omnivore, seeinvis, poisonous 13:49 @h?draugr 13:49 draugr (Z) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confer: cold | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 1d8 weapon physical, 1d4 bite drain int | Align: -3 | genocidable, breathless, stalker 13:49 I mean when transforming into demon K2 13:50 yeah they wont lose anything 13:50 i've already coded it 13:50 wouldn't they lose anything race-based? 13:50 oh and infidels normally don't get shock res from crowning 13:50 like how centaurs lose jumping 13:51 Noisytoot that was my point 13:51 @e?vampire 13:51 vampire (V) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 25 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 1 | Atk: 1d6 claw physical, 1d6 bite level drain | Align: -8 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis 13:51 ok maybe i'm not making myself clear :) draugr infidel will not change into a different monster 13:51 also, why don't vampires have cold res? 13:51 therefore no need to pull away intrinsics 13:51 yeah that was not clear :-) 13:51 @v?vampire 13:51 vampire (V) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 25 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 1 | Atk: 1d6 claw physical, 1d6 bite level drain | Align: -8 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, undead, stalker, infravis, silverhate 13:52 becuase they dont in vanilla either 13:52 you can infer from that statement - didnt see a reason to change vampire stats, so I didnt 13:52 it wasnt a pourposeful 'meh vamps dont need cold res' 13:52 *purposeful 13:53 mobileuser :P 13:56 so no release this weekend, i'll try for next week 13:56 leaving in about 1.5 hrs for the weekend wont be back til sunday late 14:02 family wedding! 14:03 si! 14:03