00:50 just the sword 00:51 been working on a couple new cool things tonight, will commit tomorrow 00:51 gnite o/ 01:05 Night 01:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided genetic engineers, on T:133732 (1 day, 8:12:17) 02:06 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2319 (0:18:17) 02:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Merrywidow (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2961 (0:23:40) 02:47 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:47 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 03:04 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 03:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:328 (0:02:07) 04:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 319 points, T:1196, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 04:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) murdered MiisuBoi, her faithful little dog, on T:47 (0:00:37) 04:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:568 (0:02:33) 04:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1121 points, T:2575, killed by a large spider 05:10 -!- xdminsy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:10 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 05:29 -!- xdminsy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:26 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:48 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:50 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 06:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) became Mog's Envoy of Balance, on T:20401 (8:06:56) 06:51 woah first prayer 07:00 lucky! meanwhile my chaotic priest can't get a toehold 07:00 and ive got nothing left but the wizard 07:01 guess i should go try to get crowned for a blank spellbook one more time 07:03 can't get a toehold? when you have cleared out everything except the wizard? 07:04 ...for crowning. stupid chaotic god wont crown me 07:05 hmm. i think i need to wear an alchemy smock for this ascension 07:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:103240 (1 day, 14:35:43) 07:07 i never know what to do for an ascension shield as a priest 07:07 unless im a giant or tortle :-) 07:09 what do you think, wise mobileuser? can i get away with a robe and no acid resistance? or alchemy smock? 07:10 i think if i can push myself to 30 after the wizard the robe wont be that helpful 07:10 you didn't go for yellow-scaled armor? 07:10 went for gray for the cancellation resistance 07:11 low-scroll game so far 07:11 and i need my fully enchanted hammer to make a dent in anything 07:12 yeah get yourself to 30 and use an alchemy smock 07:12 unless you rely on the robe for fireball etc 07:13 havent even cast it once yet 07:13 nothing but hammer + magic missile + dragon 07:13 magic missile worked fine for me at level 30 07:13 works pretty damn good at 20 when you bounce it 07:15 man, only one wand of death at 100k turns 07:15 ascension shield: I didn't bother with a shield 07:15 it frustrates me there is no ascension-quality material for a shield :-P 07:15 wood all the way ;-) 07:16 fixed bone is lighter than fixed wood (but both are getting stripped of resistance and fried) 07:16 exactly 07:16 i wonder exactly how big the mithril small shield penalty is 07:17 I want to say: very big 07:17 yeah that is my feeling too 07:17 which is LAME, Mitre should let priests use even Ashmar with no casting penalty 07:17 k2 has an irrational hatred of priests to go along with his rational hatred of me 07:17 once upon a time, you could actually use a mithril shield of reflection and still cast, but K2 fixed that 07:18 you cant even wish for wooden shield of light or freedom, which blows. i kinda understand the reflection restriction...although you can polish up bone and wood pretty good! 07:19 no self respecting wizard is going to be using a shield anyway, this is all about keeping the clergy down 07:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide alchemy smock", on T:103297 (1 day, 14:50:45) 07:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:21418 (6:33:57) 07:29 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 07:31 i mean, like 30 capped prayers and nothing to show for it but golden glows and useless spell books 07:31 i dont hate you krm26. i'm just... disappointed 07:32 * K2 gives disappointed parent face 07:33 come on, mitre letting you wear shields without screwing casting is a great idea! 07:34 as is being able to wish for nonmetallic shields of light or freedom 07:34 plus i'd like to invoke the mitre to automatically ascend 07:34 kthxbye 07:34 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 07:34 SPELLBOOK OF LIGHT YAY 07:37 lol 07:37 where is my CROWN 07:38 finish the cracker jacks 07:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Tymora, on T:104155 (1 day, 15:07:26) 07:38 phew 07:38 it's at the bottom 07:38 hah Tymora heard you 07:39 yay 07:40 ok now on to my second unnecessary timewasting phase, the polypiling 07:41 polypiling for wands of death? 07:41 wands of death, potions of gain level, scrolls of genocide and charging 07:41 everything else is dross 07:41 well, not totally true, i wont throw a wand of teleportation out of bed 07:42 i'll also turn all my horns into oil lamps and credit cards for the 0% chance of a marker 07:42 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:43 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 07:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible splungetoo's ghost, the former Sergeant, on T:22173 (6:54:19) 07:46 cans of grease! 07:46 yeah good point, i've only found one can the whole game with TWO charges 07:47 so im not nearly as greasy as i like to be 07:48 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 07:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:104498 (1 day, 15:22:36) 07:56 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:59 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 08:05 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:111479 (3 days, 17:46:24) 08:27 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:54 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:54 bleh 08:54 property taxes due today 09:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:15 yeah that is not a fun day. but i like it more than home insurance premium day :-) 09:15 gotta get out of this state before there are no insurers left 09:21 ugh 09:22 it could happen here too, esp with the increase in flooding 09:22 i'm on my fourth insurer in 4 years -- farmers just quit so i'm now on some noname crazy pseudoinsurer 09:22 but yeah the home ins scene in FL is abolute shit right now 09:22 next year i'll be self-insuring probably 09:23 just wrote an $8k premium 09:23 oh fuck that 09:23 only got it that low because of a $5k deductible on everything 09:23 so it basically only pays out if my house explodes in a hurricane 09:23 at this point its prob ebtter to drop the insurance and just tuck away what you would have spent on insurance into a high yield savings account 09:23 *better 09:24 yeah something i never thought about before moving here, like well water and mandatory generators 09:24 so far so good here in VT, no mass exodus of insurers 09:25 they only pull out if they arent making a profit 09:31 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:44 Your hands are engulfed in a red flame. 09:44 Your hands stop burning red. You burn the goblin with your hands! You kill the goblin! 09:44 ^ burning hands spell 09:45 Your hands no longer burn so brightly red. You burn the wolf with your hands! 09:46 Your hands are engulfed in a brilliant red flame. <--- skilled/expert 09:47 Your hands no longer burn so brightly red. You burn the paper golem with your hands! The paper golem ignites and turns to ash! 09:47 ooh monks will like that 09:49 depends on school / spell level I guess 09:50 enchantment 09:50 doing a lot of the same stuff 'confuse monster' does code-wise 09:50 awesome 09:50 also making 'shocking grasp' 09:50 there going to be a shocking grasp too? 09:50 jinx 09:50 :P 09:51 if wizards are going to possibly be weaponless, they need some more incentive to do so 09:51 cap it off with vampiric touch for the monsters to use on the player 09:51 man it will be awesome for a gnome mage in minetown to stun you and then burn off your gear 09:52 they already do with fire bolt lol 09:52 working on this, i found a couple bugs 09:52 yeah but they dont cast that when adjacent loggers 09:53 you know the extra cold damage the hand of vecna is supposed to give? was never happening 09:53 same with a couple other things - wrong spot in uhitm.c had to move the code blocks up 09:54 so now they do :P 09:54 not making burning hands/shocking grasp into monster spells 09:55 it was giving the msg for hand of vecna but not the damage? lol 09:56 yeah 09:56 same bug was present for the extra damage you could get wearing the GoPur as a lawful and using martial arts 09:57 weird 09:57 I guess it's sort of hard to tell if small bonuses like that are happening or not 09:57 yup. i had to add a special debug pline to see what was going on 09:57 my burning hands werent doing extra damage, and that's when i discovered the rest 09:58 when i commit it'll be easier to see/understand 09:59 fyi damage will scale with skill 09:59 jesus k2! i need that extra damage, push the vecna patch live for me :-) 10:00 lol 10:00 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:01 Your hands are engulfed in a bright red flame. 10:01 Your hands no longer burn so brightly red. You burn the green slime with your hands! The green slime ignites and turns to ash! 10:01 You kill the green slime! Its slime splashes onto you! You don't feel very well. 10:02 hahah 10:03 i'm gonna make it, so when you cast burning hands on yourself, if you're slimed, it'll burn away the slime 10:06 let em use it to burn off cursed leather/cloth worn gear too 10:06 (i mean, normal chance of damaging gear) 10:07 kicking around that idea 10:07 but if it could burn your normal gloves, no one would use it 10:07 that is a good point 10:08 butttt 10:08 burning hands doesnt burn your naked hands even if you arent fire resistant 10:08 maybe at skilled/expert, you cast it, if you're wearing cursed gloves that can burn, it burns them off 10:08 i dunno 10:08 so it like magically doesnt affect the hands 10:08 right 10:08 but you can still touch yourself in other places :-) 10:08 eww 10:09 i have a burning sensation 10:09 'doc, I have this burning sensation' 10:09 JINX 10:09 three jinxes our heads explode 10:10 k2, personal question, for (unsigned int=0; i<123; i++) or for (unsigned int i = 0 ; i < 123 ; i++) 10:10 *has been thinking of code syntax* 10:10 Your claws are engulfed in a red flame. The slime that covers you is burned away! 10:11 cbus what are you asking 10:11 how spaced out do you like it 10:11 :D 10:11 just curious what evilhack did 10:12 i like the latter 10:12 I do that at work 10:12 i dont like it when everything is scrunched up 10:12 I do the first atm at home 10:12 but it depends on how nasty the stuff inside are 10:12 if there are more complex stuff I dont do it like that 10:12 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:15 ohhhhh iforgot, the striped shirt of liberation is a potential wish now 10:16 heh 10:16 k2, when quest artifact thiefs are yanking them, can they grab the shirt right off from under your armor? and if so, is there a special message? 10:16 yoink 10:18 man the evilhack wiki page seems to inconsistently replace "sickness resistance" with "disease resistance" 10:18 i think so 10:18 control-f it and replace all the disease with sickness 10:20 sickness resistance is what the game says in enlightenment 10:20 so burning hands will do an extra xd4 of fire damage, x is based off of your skill in enchantment spells 10:20 ugh, i'd rather code patch some fortran than edit a wiki 10:20 basic, x = 2 (so 2d4), skilled x = 3, expert x = 4 10:21 restricted/unskilled, x = 1 10:21 you should really give shocking grasp to storm giants tho k2 10:21 fine I'll change it 10:21 you da man loggers! 10:23 uuugh why did i wake up with a headache 10:24 not going away either 10:24 :( 10:24 ibuprofen, water and caffeine? 10:24 that usually helps if I get a tension headache 10:24 i dont do caffine 10:24 do it 10:24 it helps relieve the headache 10:24 not because of abstinence 10:24 if i do and dont maintain, i'll get one of those caffine withdrawl headaches 10:25 from just a cup? 10:25 those are the *worst* 10:25 I get those if I am HEAVY into caffeine 10:25 i dont drink coffee 10:25 or if I drink too much 10:25 i generally dont ingest caffine at all 10:25 (atm I am on sub 1 cup per day) 10:25 drink if needed, usually no 10:25 coffe is bean juice. we hates beans 10:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by aandeg!~aandef@user/meow/Loggers-VIII:19959))] 10:26 First, let’s start with how much is a good amount: Research shows that around 100 to 150 milligrams of caffeine (which is equivalent to a small cup of coffee) tends to help reduce and even prevent headaches. 10:26 https://health.clevelandclinic.org/does-caffeine-help-headaches 10:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:26 “For example, if you have a migraine, the blood vessels in your brain are dilated (or more open),” he explains. “The right amount of caffeine can constrict (or narrow) the blood vessels — so the caffeine is acting as a vasoconstrictor.” 10:26 I hope you get better 10:26 bad headaches are horrible 10:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 10:31 thanks 10:53 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Inf Cen Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:644 (0:05:30) 10:58 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Inf Cen Mal Una), 3122 points, T:1518, killed by an owlbear 11:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:698 (0:04:28) 11:11 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:15 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had an elven chain mail entrusted to her by Venus, on T:1980 (0:14:07) 11:20 Your hands are surrounded by a brilliant blue aura. Your hands no longer shimmer so brightly. You shock the giant spider with your hands! 11:20 heh neato 11:21 shocking grasp is a higher level spell, but does more dmg 11:26 hope it blow up wands and rings to fill you with regret 11:28 of course 11:28 low chance 11:28 nothing is worthwhile without regret 11:28 not like a full on lightning bolt attack 11:30 while you are on a roll -- for weaponless wizards early game -- the dnd level 1 wizard spell expeditious retreat 11:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3973 (0:35:35) 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:4090 (0:37:37) 11:41 heh 11:41 brave brave sir robin spell 11:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had a mithril axe entrusted to her by Venus, on T:4479 (0:39:50) 11:45 gnollhack added a TON of spells from ad&d 11:45 before i started this, I did a quick search to see if any other variants had these spells. only gnollhack 11:45 but, they dont behave the same way 11:45 yeah you dont want to add stuff willy-nilly, lots of adnd spells are stupidly duplicating really 11:46 a nice concise list of different effects 11:46 burning hands in ad&d, technically you can cause it to shoot out a small cone of fire 3 feet away. when i played d&d, the DM never allowed that, had it behave like shocking grasp (have to actually touch the target) 11:47 in a nethack setting, we already have fireball spell, blessed scrolls of fire, wands of fire, fire horn, etc 11:47 srsly i think you should change light with your spell level work 11:47 so making burning hands require an actual touch is appropriate 11:48 it should be a flashlight at unskilled/basic, and then at skilled you can y/n to cast it as the area light spell 11:48 in gnollhack they both act like force bolt spell 11:48 this would be of help to early weaponless wizards 11:48 without being another damage-dealing thing 11:48 sounds like 'permanent light' spell 11:49 in d&d you could cats that onto any object, boom - perm light source 11:49 was a higher level spell though 11:49 *cast 11:49 i dont feel like messing with adding more perm light sources to evilhack, that could become a nightmare 11:49 that is cool but maybe i wasnt clear, i meant "i'm a camera"/"normal light as current" as the two modes 11:50 ah 11:50 so basic light was a directional blind, not a permalight 11:50 and skilled, your choice 11:50 that sounds more like the clerical 'sunbeam' spell 11:50 yes 11:50 but in this case im thinking of mechanics that would support fully weaponless early wizards 11:50 well, these two spells will help a lot 11:51 that is true 11:51 they're level 1 and 2 (burning hands, shocking grasp) 11:51 you should consider having wizards automatically start with EITHER force bolt or burning hands 11:51 hmm i dunno. force bolt allows ranged attack 11:51 that is true 11:52 fyi, you cant be wielding anything for these spells to work. unarmed combat allows them to work 11:52 ALSO (i always have alsos) i think spellbooks should be highly prejudiced to levels 1-3 in the upper dungeon compared to normal distributions 11:52 ooh, that is a cool touch 11:53 also remember if you have vecna's hand equipped to change the spell display name to "burning hand" 11:53 hah 11:53 also, these spells will not stack. they did initially when i was testing and it got weird 11:53 you can stack with confuse monster though 11:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5331 (0:40:02) 11:54 ah crap, it's almost noon. i gotta go 11:54 what happens with stacked burning hands when you go under water? 11:54 lost track of time ugh 11:54 krm26 i havent gotten that far yet 11:54 if a mon is underwater it wont work though 11:55 (hitting a mon that is underwater) 11:55 ok back in a bit 11:55 you should really give shocking grasp to storm giants tho k2 11:55 does evilhack have any monster spells restricted to specific monsters currently? 11:55 other than the seperate clerical/magical lists 11:56 alas no, it has been discussed. having specific spell lists for specific monsters would be an excellent enhancement but is a smop 11:56 dnh has it (I think it is based on L's patch for vanilla) 11:57 i'd like to see some monsters (vampire mages, gnome mages, etc) roll for a subset of a spelllist on creation. so maybe you get a frosty gnome, maybe a burny gnome, etc 11:57 you can't add too many spells because if you go over 52 menus are broken (unless evilhack fixed this) 11:57 although not all spells need to be accessbile to players 11:57 some monsters in dnh do that, it's based on monster ID 12:01 <@loggers_viii> couldn’t you just give them a lightning touch 12:03 not really the same as a spell: it wouldn't be affected by cancellation 12:03 and wouldn't have a cooldown 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had an elven chain mail entrusted to her by Venus, on T:6484 (1:01:27) 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had an elven cloak entrusted to her by Venus, on T:6551 (1:02:40) 12:07 and i still hold out hope that one day there will be silence spells and antimagic rooms 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:106060 (1 day, 19:18:50) 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided chickatrices, on T:106061 (1 day, 19:18:58) 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided shocking spheres, on T:106062 (1 day, 19:19:21) 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:106062 (1 day, 19:19:26) 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided energy vortices, on T:106063 (1 day, 19:19:53) 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:106064 (1 day, 19:21:24) 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided vampire mages, on T:106065 (1 day, 19:22:36) 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7748 (1:03:57) 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided hill giant shamans, on T:106065 (1 day, 19:22:42) 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] LordL (Pri Dwa Mal Law), 562 points, T:1177, killed by a piranha 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided giant centipedes, on T:106104 (1 day, 19:38:17) 12:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a horse, on T:106820 (1 day, 19:54:11) 12:52 umm 12:52 i'm a horse 12:52 and i have a ring of teleport control, which i was wearing, on my "right claw" 12:52 haha 12:53 now i see it :-) TELEPORT control, what a maroon 12:53 anyway k2, horses have hooves 12:59 ah, little ring/amulet eating accident? 13:00 :and then i was so flustered i just blew up my crystal plate :-) 13:00 ouch! 13:03 costs me two wishes i guess, also my only gray dragonscale, and i genocided em :-) 13:04 guess i can forge the crystal plate 13:11 wish for scales first to wear as cloak? or do you have another MR source? 13:12 i do have other sources. in fact i have a spider silk tunic with gray scales 13:12 but i have 21 blessed smoky potions of paralysis so i'm gonna chow a few, i figure 21 should be worth about 0.75 wishes 13:13 orrrrr 0 13:13 do you really need the crystal plate? 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scales", on T:107572 (1 day, 20:15:56) 13:13 no but i DESERVE it! 13:13 lol 13:17 i dont know what to fail to get with my 2nd artifact wish 13:18 nothing is useful 13:18 <@loggers_viii> wish for a marker 13:19 thats not an artifact tho, i would actually get that. i'm talking about a wish for something i WONT get 13:20 anyway i dont have any use for markers 13:20 <@loggers_viii> convict shirt then 13:20 alas, the ring of phul and the striped shirt both do nothing for my current kit-out 13:21 amulet of yendor. not an artifact, but you won't get it 13:21 good suggestion! 13:21 whats the biggest potion stack you can get? 2? 13:23 <@loggers_viii> it’s like enchantments I think 13:23 <@loggers_viii> wish for mkot? 13:24 yeah that would just be for ascension points but maybe 13:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:22774 (8:58:19) 13:24 <@loggers_viii> if you don’t need anything wish for something funny like an archon figurine 13:25 <@loggers_viii> then you can waste time before ascension giving it gear 13:25 ah well, the rest of my 21 smoky potions came up empty anyway 13:25 -!- sludge_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:13946 (2:24:21) 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14426 (2:31:23) 13:45 i read on nhqdb theres now panda jedi in evilhack and mobileuser has ascended 3 of them 13:48 3? must have released 18 hours ago 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:28463 (9:05:41) 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28464 (9:05:46) 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had an elven helm entrusted to her by Venus, on T:16876 (2:52:13) 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:17317 (2:54:04) 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:28719 (9:08:29) 14:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) had a blessed pair of gauntlets of power entrusted to him by Mog, on T:23158 (9:06:17) 14:10 panda jedi hah 14:11 [backscroll] grunthack has monster/player spell symmetry. i looked at incorporating that a long time ago, but it's a mess. and my skills werent up to the task back then 14:11 antigulp started to do it for splicehack but never finished it 14:11 the best mon/player spell symmetry is in fiqhack 14:12 monsters can be given a spellbook, they'll read it and learn the spell 14:12 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:113938 (3 days, 21:22:05) 14:13 ok lets wrap up this new spell work 14:13 almost done 14:14 hah, adding these two new spells, puts the number of spells at 50 14:14 (dont count spellbook of blank paper, book of the dead, or novels) 14:15 is there a variant that successfully gets past the 52 spell limit? I would assume gnollhack does, it has a massive amount of spells 14:16 hack'em too I think? 14:16 it would have to, it has 53 spells 14:17 K2: SLEX does, but I wouldn't call it successful (some menu types are broken and curses doesn't exist) 14:17 * K2 nods 14:17 I think GnollHack has more than 52 spells, I'm not sure how that's solved 14:18 gnollhack has way more spells 14:18 most i've ever seen 14:18 i havent counted them but it's prob over 100 14:19 port spell menu letter rearranging and spell quivering from dnethack 14:19 heh 'spell quivering' 14:20 yeah, "readying" was right there, but ah well 14:20 also spell maintenance from fiqhack/dnethack 14:20 oh come now, gnollhack can't have more spells than slex 14:22 slex: > grep '^SPELL("' src/objects.c | wc -l 14:22 360 14:22 GnollHack: > grep '^SPELL("' src/objects.c | wc -l 14:22 258 14:23 good lord 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:114035 (3 days, 21:32:59) 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:114039 (3 days, 21:33:29) 14:24 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:25 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:25 i see what was done in hack'em for spell menu 14:25 https://github.com/k21971/HackEM/commit/d536ea63427ca1da858fcd7996933284d5a132cb 14:26 very specific number of spells hah 14:27 yeah that is an easy fix 14:27 there's also plenty of punctuation :-) 14:28 unless you can rearrange letters, having lots of spells will probably get annoying 14:29 a better idea would, upon learning a new spell when at "max allowed", let the player select a spell to replace. alternately, replace one of the least-known with no interaction 14:30 nobody needs to know more than 52 spells at one time 14:30 I don't like known spell limits 14:30 in FACT, could cap the max number of spells at int*2 14:30 the latest hackem version does that 14:30 or int for non-spellcasting-roles 14:31 or 1 for cavemen, throw em a bone :-) 14:31 (I'm not sure what the exact limit is, but it does limit it depending on int and spellcasting role-ness) 14:31 it ended up making the game unwinnable due to being unable to read book of the dead unless you amnesia'd yourself 14:32 Dec 03 16:50:09 it's wis + int + 5, divided by 3 for wizards, 4 for "primary casters", and 12 for everyone else 14:34 welp. evilhack doesnt have to worry about spell limits just yet. the hack'em fix gives you some breathing room with 10 more menu slots 14:34 hackem fixed that bug btw 14:34 gnollhack, it looks like it creates a new window? there's a function there i'm not familiar with 14:34 but anywho 14:35 i'm not keen on restricting known spells 14:58 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:109801 (1 day, 21:49:45) 15:05 2 games on the asc run 15:05 go go go tinklebear & krm26! 15:06 ooh the wizard's infidel is packing magicbane 15:06 I just saw that :-) 15:06 doesnt help me at all alas 15:06 just means he's gonna f me up 15:06 just run past him 15:07 nope, i brought along shadow dragons 15:07 dontputitinthebag dontputitinthebag 15:07 burp! 15:09 man hand of vecna eating repair armor spells is so dfjjgfk 15:10 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±9] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/6657a6645701...b5cffd7e1649 15:10 wearing 2 pieces of armor, 4 times in a row, your hand glows briefly :-) 15:10 [EvilHack] k21971 b5cffd7 - New spells - burning hands, shocking grasp. 15:13 the irritating thing will be if a shadow dragon engulfs the wizard in the air here 15:14 where does crap end up? the bottom wizard tower floor? or gehennom? 15:14 3rd demon lair 15:15 post-orcus demon lair? 15:15 i always forget that 15:17 yeah post-orcus 15:17 the last one 15:19 -!- botifico has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:35 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:36 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 15:37 Hello all - I had a thought and wondered if you guys have ever discussed this.  I'm wearing water walking shoes and was trapped inside a water elemental.  Why wouldn't the water walking shoes enable me to get outside the water elemental?  In other words, I couldn't be swallowed because I have the WW shoes on.  What do you think? 15:39 he's not swallowing just your feet :-) 15:40 Sure, but it's my feet that are pushing me outside the elemtal. 15:41 Water walking as in "walking on water", that's completely different from water elemental engulfing. 15:42 Sure, but the water walking is not happening at all when I think it should be whenever you're inside a water elemental. 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:110031 (1 day, 22:29:39) 15:45 hehehe. oh, the wizard! whistle -- burp! 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:110037 (1 day, 22:30:15) 15:45 Which is why I said they're completely different, because I think that's a silly ask. 15:49 maybe you're walking on the insides of the water elemental :-) 15:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:114912 (3 days, 23:07:09) 16:02 Ok, perhaps.  I just thought perhaps a modification to the game when you have WW shoes and are inside a W elemental should be done.  K2 what are your thoughts? 16:05 <@loggers_viii> I think the idea behind WW boots is that the bottoms of the boots treat water as a walkable substance, that wouldn’t really help if a water elemental engulfed you methinks, since it can just envelop you from all sidrs 16:05 <@loggers_viii> *sides 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:110179 (1 day, 22:51:48) 16:10 I understand about envelopment, but my point is that the WW shoes should be pushing you to be on top of the water. 16:12 which is not how water walking works 16:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:14 <@loggers_viii> aha, dbanethacker has a point, because yes, that is how water walking works 16:14 <@loggers_viii> if you put on water walking boots in water you float to the surface 16:15 I also find that silly tbqh 16:17 but that at least somewhat tracks for me since it's just sea/moat/pool/w.e. and not an entire animate being 16:17 Arguing the opposite side, it seems those who have chimed in say that the elemental is using the water to push/keep you inside and not allow your shoes to have enough effect to let the WW shoes do their work.  Either way could be right, which is why I asked if we've ever discussed it before.  Yes, it's silly, but perhaps that's part of the fun of 16:17 the game - if you can find the loopholes / possibilities then you have that much of a richer game. 16:18 Either way, I think we need some executive direction from the Dev team, perhaps.  The superusers have chimed in and can see both possibilities. 16:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:20 <@loggers_viii> I think the explanation that the elemental is putting up ‘walls’ of some sort makes sense - you can’t just walk out of one, after all 16:20 Hmmm, I sat on a throne and feel "a strange sensation" and then the throne vanished in a puff of logic.  What intrinsic / ability could I have gained? 16:20 i generally dont like the idea aesthetically, but from an evilhack perspective it would be interesting for offering other ascension kit possibilities, since it means they would neutralize sea dragons and water elementals 16:20 <@loggers_viii> the strange sensation means it tried to steal gold and failed I believe 16:21 Perhaps - I had no gold on me at the time I sat on the throne. 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed the orcish high priestess of Moloch, on T:110326 (1 day, 22:57:44) 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:110326 (1 day, 22:57:44) 16:23 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:25 plane of water - if you have water walking boots and you walk into the water, you still end up in the water? 16:26 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 16:26 ah dbanethacker 16:27 to repeat: plane of water - if you have water walking boots and you walk into the water, you still end up in the water? 16:27 Hiya - it kicks me out if I don't say something every few minutes, alas. 16:27 Oh, hmmm, you'd think that you don't end up in the water with WW boots on in the plane of water.  That if I recall correctly. 16:28 That's... 16:28 ah I looked it up on the wiki 16:28 what does it say? 16:28 " Water walking or freezing the water with a blast of cold will not save you from drowning" 16:28 You still very much end up in the water, yes. 16:28 i didnt think water walking did anything on the plane of water 16:28 no where to walk 16:29 It doesn't in current versions. 16:29 they need a phase boundary to support you on 16:29 so... water elementals and sea dragons can be thought of as getting caught in 3D-water 16:29 ^ 16:30 ^^ 16:30 there's a phase boundary on water elementals / sea dragons, otherwise they'd just be a puddle of water then, right? 16:30 but you aren't near that phase boundary 16:30 thanks to their engulfment 16:31 but the WW shoes are pushing you towards that phase boundary.  Just not effectively enough, in the current code. 16:31 ...shoes should be pushing you... 16:32 water elemental pushes back :-) 16:32 it's not a passive observer 16:34 hence the whole "animate being" thing I cited 16:35 Sure, and that's fine with me.  I just wondered if it'd been considered before.  Perhaps it has and was written that way intentionally. 16:35 And perhaps there's room to reconsider - maybe the loophole is that blessed ww shoes get you out? 16:35 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:42 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed the illithid high priestess of Moloch, on T:115464 (3 days, 23:51:37) 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:115476 (3 days, 23:52:13) 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] LordL (Val Dwa Fem Law), 986 points, T:2765, killed by a giant cockroach 16:47 LordL - I wonder if that's a reference to Lord Luc from the Wheel of Time series? 16:49 Hmmm, I threw an egg and hit a cockatrice and got the message "The egg isn't alive anymore..."  - awesome!! 16:54 heh nice detail 16:55 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:01 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:03 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:115585 (4 days, 0:12:14) 17:13 [hdf-us] [evil] LordL (Inf Dro Mal Una), 412 points, T:701, killed by an enormous rat 17:14 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:115669 (4 days, 0:23:44) 17:14 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:115669 (4 days, 0:23:47) 17:27 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:36 weeee 17:36 yeah... no. water walking boots will not let you escaped being engulfed by a water elemental 17:36 -d 17:37 my brain skipped over the much longer middle message, resulting in "weeee -d" 17:38 as it should 17:39 -!- sludge_ has joined #evilhack 17:39 aosdict did you happen to see the latest unnethack commits that dropped yesterday? pulled in a lot of your quest revamps 17:54 no I don't have anything notifying me of unnethack commits 18:03 well. it happened 18:08 * aosdict trudges over to github.com/bhaak/unnethack/commits 18:08 I really like that I synced up the position of "unnethack*commits" with yours in both those messages without trying 18:09 heh 18:09 it's 404 because it's UnNetHack/UnNetHack 18:10 yeah well the words synced up 18:10 wait since when did unnethack have lua level parsing 18:10 I guess it adapted it from paxed's stuff at some point 18:12 just now 18:12 the latest update (6.0.11) adds lua 18:12 seems like he is taking the levels, but not necessarily the story edits 18:23 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:24 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 18:38 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1043 points, T:1614, killed by a little dog 18:43 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 18:43 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 196 points, T:600, killed by a fox 18:47 kicking a monster made out of water with water walking boots should knock it back 18:47 🗞 18:48 most people rejected His message. they hated Loggers because he told them the truth 18:55 yani: spell called like 'forceful palms' or some shit that grants a striking/forcebolt extra damage effect when you hit a monster unarmed. also it knocks guys back 18:58 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:50 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 2113084 points, T:81832, killed by Yeenoghu, while moving through the air 19:50 lol, forgot I was levitating 19:50 PSA: don't throw boulders while levitating, kids 19:59 thank crom I left bones for a change! WoW 1:1 and 2 magic lamps! 20:03 you gon die 20:06 https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/f7/fa/e7/f7fae7de35544c198291d45f78333026.jpg 20:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Nyri (Val Dwa Fem Law), 732 points, T:939, killed by the Goblin King 21:16 second time I've died that way 21:16 Do I get a prize for the 3rd time? 21:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2729 (0:19:26) 21:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby orange dragon, on T:4243 (0:32:42) 21:59 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a gold octagonal amulet on an altar, on T:5026 (0:39:00) 22:21 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.2.1] 22:24 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 11816 points, T:7263, poisoned by an orcish arrow 23:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Nyri (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 841 points, T:1824, killed by a crossbow bolt