00:11 oh boy, charon took one look at me and came right at me! Is it because I'm wielding sunsword? 00:14 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed Charon, on T:72593 (14:14:11) 00:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:72636 (14:15:23) 00:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:72676 (14:15:50) 00:17 <@loggers_viii> bouquet: all the wiz changes are in the latest few commits on GitHub 00:17 <@loggers_viii> and yes, Charon is undead so he doesn’t like when you wield sunsword cuz it’s a bane to him 00:27 so rude. 00:27 thanks 00:50 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 01:51 -!- xdminsy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:51 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:878 (0:02:55) 02:09 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5200 (0:36:28) 02:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:5276 (0:37:41) 02:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a silver arrow on an altar, on T:6165 (0:48:02) 02:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 6785 points, T:6538, killed by a dwarven watchman, while praying 02:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4612 (1:32:20) 04:07 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:09 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest635 04:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:13 -!- Guest635 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:14 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 04:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 04:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Fem Neu), 6146 points, T:6034, killed by a gnomish wizard 04:40 the classic stunlock splat 05:37 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Robert the Lifer, on T:124332 (1 day, 1:59:59) 05:43 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) permanently converted to neutral, on T:124836 (1 day, 2:06:37) 05:45 Oooops, I forget that my negative alignment makes me converting. 06:07 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had a pair of dark elven gloves entrusted to her by Vhaeraun, on T:126988 (1 day, 2:29:48) 06:07 I would never fight Vecna in melee again :( 06:08 my 250 mhp became 150, and my Shadowblade I think only deals 1d4 damge. 06:10 And I failed to kill Vecna :I 06:13 damn 06:14 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Vhaeraun, on T:127807 (1 day, 2:36:50) 06:24 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Vhaeraun, on T:128535 (1 day, 2:46:47) 06:26 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had a pair of dark elven gloves entrusted to her by Vhaeraun, on T:128847 (1 day, 2:49:46) 06:28 "You are laden with moisture and feel comforted." 06:29 ^ nice attention to detail 06:29 (tortle engulfed by fog cloud) 06:30 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Vhaeraun, on T:129101 (1 day, 2:53:11) 06:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had a leather studded armor entrusted to her by Vhaeraun, on T:130020 (1 day, 2:58:21) 06:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:756 (0:04:16) 06:38 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Vhaeraun, on T:130562 (1 day, 3:01:07) 06:39 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had a mithril scale mail entrusted to her by Vhaeraun, on T:130646 (1 day, 3:02:13) 06:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:90668 (1 day, 6:46:05) 06:54 shadow dragon darkness and ice don't mix well -- just totally invisible shadow dragon, the ice wins 06:56 looks like it also hides anything it is standing on 06:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3114 (0:23:47) 06:57 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had a dark elven long sword entrusted to her by Vhaeraun, on T:132660 (1 day, 3:20:45) 06:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:7369 (1:26:44) 07:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3345 (0:27:13) 07:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:07 now that you mention it krm26, I've seen some weird things with shadow dragons as well 07:12 i am probably the worst case, hammer of the gods + shadow dragon in solid ice levels 07:12 i've noticed that my invisible shadow dragon on ice can be tracked by the loot on the ground that vanishes when he stands over it 07:12 which is the clearest demonstration of the logic problem :-) 07:13 presumably just have to make sure that darkness always trumps terrain symbol, which is reasonable 07:13 ice display might be a hack, havent code dived 07:16 this pet mania for filling themselves up with rocks needs to stop too 07:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:8872 (1:44:40) 07:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 4615 points, T:4771, killed by a bolt of cold 07:27 my kid used to collect rocks when she was little little 07:27 we still have a few bags saved 07:27 i'm talking as young as 2 yrs old, we'd go for walks and she's just start picking up rocks 07:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:9454 (1:55:50) 07:41 TIL that small monsters like my housecat have no trouble getting past bear traps 07:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4472 (1:14:57) 07:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:93432 (1 day, 7:42:04) 07:59 mobileuser: ... in the game, right? 08:00 I would be scared if you had bear traps in your home 08:00 lol 08:03 iliththilithids can sacrifice mind flayers with no issue, right? same race but chaotic? 08:08 to convert an altar? 08:08 just for saccing 08:08 you'll get some demon I think, but no gift 08:09 stupid demons! 08:10 oh you also get +5 alignment and +2 luck 08:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:11401 (2:38:54) 08:29 phew, this time I survived the gnomish wizards onslaught in minetown 08:38 i blinked and missed your last ascension! congrats 08:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:5867 (1:42:09) 08:40 thanks krm26 :-) 08:41 you're gonna shame me arent you by ascending your tortle for a 2nd priest while i'm still working on this one 08:42 heheh extremely unlikely 08:42 I am slow like a tortle 08:42 ugh i gotta go try vecna 08:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:94853 (1 day, 8:44:41) 09:00 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/2ce3d53d6567...6baedb051a18 09:00 [EvilHack] k21971 6baedb0 - Set max skill for Wizards and quarterstaff back to expert. 09:03 wut! but wizards have barely begun to suffer 09:05 is dragonbane any good to you krm26? 09:05 or would a hand of vecna drop be better 09:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 09:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:07 crackhead-tier idea: remove all weapon skill from wizards and make magicbane an artifact wand that has a random wand effect whenever you shoot it (infinite charges) 09:08 im trying not to overthink it until i see what vecna does :-) i really need that 25 str as an ilthilithtilitd 09:09 i really want purity even though im a nasty chaotic, but i blew my one wish to make the hotdog 09:09 so unless i luck into a gehennom bones with a wand i wont be willing to fruitlessly waste 3 more wishes getting nothing 09:09 I did the coinflip in my game 09:10 it's worth 1 try 09:10 (i'm still shooting 0% for 2nd artifacts since the change) 09:10 oh you already tried? 09:10 not this game 09:10 like, all my ascensions for the last 18 months or whatever :-) 09:10 Loggers_VIII that's not crackhead at all hahah 09:11 but good plan to see what vecna drops first 09:11 that means you're more likely to get it this time, right? that's definitely how statistics work :) 09:11 however, magicbane is already an ingredient for the SotA 09:11 yeah, sad infidel 09:11 an artifact wand sounds cool though 09:11 I thought it was a really weird idea but I guess I'm my own worst critic 09:12 and in evilhack, if you're not wielding anything and fire off a wand, you get a bonus to-hit with the wand 09:12 (from sporkhack) 09:12 wait, really? I didn't know that 09:12 yup 09:12 how big a bonus? 09:12 been in the game for years 09:12 +3 09:12 I'm gonna start unwielding stuff when I shoot death at rodney 09:12 heh, i ask that like i have any real feeling for what each +1 actually does :-) 09:12 :O 09:13 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/zap.c#L3777-L3779 09:13 I'm surprised you don't have to wield the wand :-) 09:13 there's more buffs in that same block of code 09:14 which have been present since almost the beginning 09:15 most monks will have benefited without knowing it 09:15 I'm surprised I never heard this mentioned 09:15 the change to this code happened back in 2019 09:15 it's edits from sporkhack 09:15 not something you can easily spot if you don't know about it Loggers_VIII 09:16 moar wiki stuff 09:16 these bits are also greater than in vanilla - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/zap.c#L3789-L3794 09:17 and this is a significant bump that doesnt exist at all in vanilla - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/zap.c#L3811-L3812 09:17 remember the trouble i was having yesterday mobileuser? figuring out force bolt to hit? 09:18 yeah I was there :-P 09:18 that formula 09:18 force bolt/wand of striking is it's own thing. spell_hit_bonus() applies to ray type attacks (e.g. everything else) 09:18 terrapin pointed that out and made everything make more sense :P 09:19 but you said "thank you mobileuser" :-( 09:19 i did 09:19 cuz you got me on the right track 09:19 \o/ 09:20 and then terrapin pointed out the other thing 09:20 noice 09:20 and i was like 'oh' 09:20 durrrrrrrrr 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:95751 (1 day, 9:17:19) 09:24 woohoo 09:24 so, decision made for me, excellent 09:24 and? 09:25 hand 09:25 fitting 09:31 oooh vecna marker 09:31 turnup for the books! 09:31 saves a wish 09:32 ? "turnup for the books!" == does not compute 09:35 just means like a nice surprise I think 09:36 oh is that a british expression 09:37 oh ok, i would have understood except i almost never wish for markers :-) 09:37 generally only when drowning in wishes and bored 09:42 I stand by markers being the best evilhack wish. you can get rid of everything you don't like and make yourself way more powerful 09:43 well, aside from an MR source. but that goes without saying I think 09:43 or a helm of speed for tortles 09:44 and the dragonhide shirt of decay 09:44 the best wish is ring of p'hul evading your grasp 09:45 ive come around to preferring dragonhide shirt of esp for all roles but priest 09:45 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?4260 09:45 when regular bracers are a thing, I'm sure there will be a lot of 'bone bracers of decay' type wishes 09:46 mobileuser -- worth it! 09:46 heh 09:46 you don't care about drain res anymore krm26? 09:46 it isn't a huge risk and esp is very good in the middle/endgame 09:47 just have to be careful to not be trained twice 09:47 t/d 09:47 well I hated not having drain res as tortle monk 09:47 it was a long list of genocides 09:48 tortles have a really rough time with drain resistance 09:48 I think I wished for a small shield of decay' once 09:48 vlads can be a slog if you are bad ac or slow without drain resistance 09:48 lack of MC3 makes of worse 09:48 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 09:48 * it 09:49 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 09:50 Loggers_VIII I am considering a wish for small shield of decay at some point if I can keep this tortle priest alive 09:50 for a priest I think it's a pretty great wish 09:51 I'm pretty excited for bracers, they'll be great for tortles 09:51 i dont think tortles should be able to wear bracers 09:51 k2 ^ 09:51 hard armor not held in hands 09:52 they still have arms >:( 09:52 right, but they cant wear boots 09:52 ergo no bracers 09:52 tortles and bracers are fine 09:52 I don't think illithids should be able to wear helmets 09:52 yeah but that's because they have weird shaped feet 09:52 mobileuser, i can see that 09:52 lol 09:53 Booo those creatures cannot wear full armors. 09:53 have you tried them? giants are amazing 09:54 centaurs too 09:54 I've tried once healer tortle and then died. 09:54 tortle is very tough 09:54 it is the only tough race 09:54 My first evilhack ascension was a centaurian valkyrie. 09:54 giant is kind of hard I think 09:54 I prefer drow :P 09:55 Drows can wear full armors I like. 09:55 armor is overrated 09:55 you think so loggers? i think giant is the most powerful race 09:55 my tortles care not for such frivolities 09:56 I used to recommend my friend to play giant samurai. 09:56 Then he gave up lol. 09:56 krm26 I only really have done early game with tortles so maybe I haven't experienced the really strong aspects 09:56 giant samurai is crazy fun 09:56 no loggers, there are no strong aspects to tortles, they are hard back to front 09:56 (as it were :-) 09:56 oh woops I meant giant 09:57 I have done a lot more than early game with tortles :) 09:57 yeah giant is amazing 09:57 I don't have any friends who play nethack, they all quit after a couple games 09:58 which, I can't blame them really :P 09:58 hhh true. 09:58 I just want to play some more drow convict. 09:58 you are insane! 09:59 I will play some too 09:59 I forget how I killed Vecna last game, I found that shooting Vecna with 70 +7 darts only harm half its HP. 09:59 ehhh use stormbringer and dichotomy maybe? 10:00 the damage will be bad but maybe doable 10:00 No, I tried that, and my 250 hp became 150 hp. 10:00 :{ 10:00 damn that sucks 10:01 I use Dichotomy + Shadowblade. 10:01 skill issue :p 10:01 I used to kill him with SoA but you can't do that anymore 10:01 I think maybe shadowblade only deals 1d3 damage to Vecna. 10:01 Does Shadowblade really deserve be created :( 10:01 maybe try to get sunsword from an archon? idk 10:02 I heard that drow cannot wield those artifact giving off light? 10:02 oh right 10:02 I'll later go ring of polymorph and polymroph control :{ 10:03 xdminsy you have vorpal blade now 10:03 chance of instakill 10:03 ja black dragon could instakill 10:03 Ah yes, I accidentally converted to neutral... 10:03 I can't count how many mistakes I did this game. 10:03 Like I spend 5 scrolls of taming try to tame some dragons and failed. 10:04 Finally I realized today that it's because of my Dragonbane :{ 10:04 bring 140 darts next time 10:04 Black dragon next time. 10:05 shadowblade is worth forging because stormbringer is bad (bloodthirsty) and werebane is useless 10:06 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06 stormbringer is not bad it is badass 10:06 I don't like that shadowblade doesn't protect against lycanthropy like werebane 10:07 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 10:07 I really hate the vanilla stormbringer interface screw 10:07 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07 Shadowblade seems too weak. 10:07 it's worse in 3.7 cuz you can hit people while traveling when wielding stormbringer 10:08 Ah yes, I never use stormy in 3.7. 10:08 My 5 rogues wields 5 grayswandir :{ 10:08 oh? I thought that was 3.6 as well? 10:08 Stormy is weak and bad too :( 10:08 not with _ 10:08 it would stop before attacking 10:09 #fiveweapon 5 copies of grayswandir 10:09 cbus is it not with _? I think I've hit something while _'ing to the stairs 10:09 in 3.6 10:09 I can try in evil but I dont have an old enthack 10:10 heh, let me wield 8 grayswandir in my 8 arms. 10:10 (you can actually do that in dnh with some artifacts with crystal skulls and marilith-arm attacks, but not with grayswandir specifically) 10:10 yeah just tested in 3.7 it attacks even with _ 10:11 stupid ass mechanic 10:11 agreed 10:11 Heard of that in dnh. 10:11 luckily enough it wont change much for me 10:11 I emailed the devteam about it but they never responded 10:11 since I alawys w- 10:11 with stormy 10:11 Just don't use stormy lol. 10:11 I already refuse to use cleaver 10:11 but I like stormy :(((((( 10:11 all the other chaotic weapons are shit 10:11 stormy was fine as I used it so I think it will be fine too 10:11 but I agree with it being praying on "bad habits" 10:12 preying 10:12 Yes, that's too annoying, not for lazy guy. 10:12 I just don't use it in variants with vanilla bloodthirsty behaviour 10:13 I just use it and then if I hit a peaceful I eat the penalty 10:13 Chaotic artifacts are all bad :( 10:13 so it goes (my name is yon yonson) 10:14 But in vanilla seems only rogues are forced to be chaotic. 10:14 would it be possible for an interhack plugin to prevent you from accidentally hitting peacefuls with stormbringer? 10:14 I wish the devteam would change some of the totally shit artifacts to not be that way but it seems difficult to get them to even acknowledge the issue 10:14 elves are forced to be chaotic too 10:15 and orcs 10:15 noisytoot, could make it w- every time you try _ 10:15 maybe 10:15 (I have no clue how interhack works) 10:15 Okay I learnd, maybe because I only play human in vanilla.. 10:16 I like human the best, but maybe I'm boring 10:16 I don't think it can automatically enter input for you, but it can prompt 10:16 I don't like having peaceful mines or orcs 10:16 lose out on easy xp 10:16 humans don't have infravision 10:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (elf zombies), on T:113 (0:01:13) 10:17 oh right 10:17 I always forget about infravision 10:17 Yes, seems human have few advantages. 10:17 Me too, never care about that :P 10:17 races are pretty boring in vanilla 10:18 now I am talking about vanlila but I dont like peaceful dwarves and gnomes (in evil I think my opionion might differ because of the nasty gnomish wiz) 10:18 me neither, you miss out on loot nutrition and xp 10:19 they're not really threatening 10:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:672 (0:03:02) 10:19 I tried some games in hackem, I find gnomish wizard there seems to be more threatening. 10:20 They must cast stunning :{ 10:20 gnomish wizards killed me today :-( 10:20 I'm not sure evilhack ones, I often go minetown after 20k turns. 10:20 Nah bad luck. 10:20 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:21 convict, yeah, that's different 10:21 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:22131 (4:29:02) 10:21 I remember they sometiems cast fire ball or what. 10:21 K2: I eagerly await testing the wizard changes. 10:23 can do it now 10:23 compile what's there 10:27 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/6baedb051a18...72eb0a2e9c11 10:28 [EvilHack] k21971 72eb0a2 - Allow lightning spell to be cast as an area of effect ball of lightning at skilled or greater in attack spells. 10:29 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:33 Coool 10:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had a mithril large shield entrusted to her by Venus, on T:4189 (0:21:45) 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had a crystal dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Venus, on T:4394 (0:23:57) 10:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:125060 (1 day, 3:47:15) 10:42 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Venus, on T:6105 (0:38:22) 11:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:8646 (1:06:41) 11:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:8878 (1:10:05) 11:29 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:42 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:17810 (4:46:56) 11:58 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Fem Neu) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:19488 (5:01:52) 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13183 (3:39:12) 12:27 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:14259 (2:03:48) 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a gray dragon, on T:14281 (2:04:16) 12:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 26492 points, T:15922, killed by an invisible stalker, while praying 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Koeranen's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:31805 (6:34:56) 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Vhaeraun, on T:135654 (1 day, 4:10:30) 13:03 blah 13:03 just came back online, service was out for a couple hrs 13:08 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:18 with all this talk of striking/force bolt, my early game just keeps dropping wands of strikng 13:23 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:23 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 13:23 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 13:55 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a falling object), on T:139189 (1 day, 5:03:17) 13:55 hhh. 13:59 ouch 13:59 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00 Seems I polymorphed failed and my health was reset to only 70+. 14:00 Then I want to throw my +7 Shadowblade to drain myself to level 1. 14:00 lol. 14:04 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:139550 (1 day, 5:15:40) 14:15 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:19 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 14:27 al last, Vecna destroyed \o/ 14:28 * at last 14:29 finally lol. 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:141659 (1 day, 5:39:29) 14:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:141660 (1 day, 5:40:56) 14:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:8393 (2:34:35) 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) killed Geryon, on T:141807 (1 day, 5:43:41) 14:36 oh yeah, i wonder if i should genocide alhoons and crap now 14:38 Genocide! 14:38 hmm 14:38 the thing is, they wont kill my dragon. but a basilisk surely will 14:39 PLUS my ring of freedom is made from gold 14:39 just soooo many alternate things other than alhoons. 14:39 although i guess vecna DID give me a marker 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:96823 (1 day, 9:53:37) 14:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided leprechauns, on T:96824 (1 day, 9:54:11) 14:41 btw k2 i still think that repair armor should never target the hand of vecna. (1) it never gets damaged. (2) it ISNT ARMOR 14:41 (and yeah, im perfectly happy if enchant armor scrolls no longer work on the hand :-) 14:44 Can I melee Dispater? 14:45 probably 14:46 he may have an explody weapon sometimes 14:46 I don't know which bosses can I fight in melee :( 14:46 dispater is one of the most fightable demons 14:46 be wary of graz'zt 14:46 Ah okay :) 14:47 but until you feel it out keep a scroll of earth and some full healing in your back pocket 14:47 just in case you need to take an emergency breather and reevaluate 14:48 when i was exploring a new demon lord or prince for the first time, i always did it from the upstairs using cursed invis with a full set of escape tricks :-) 14:48 You're rihgt, thank you for your advice :D 14:49 mobileuser, you might know -- smoky paralysis. does it sometimes fail when used as a weapon and instead pop out a djin? or is that only a quaff consequence? 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) killed Dispater, on T:142199 (1 day, 5:58:24) 14:52 Specifically quaffing 14:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:53 thanks umb! 14:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 14:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:04 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:142766 (1 day, 6:12:35) 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:90698 (3 days, 1:14:46) 15:10 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) had a crysknife bestowed upon her by Vhaeraun, on T:143178 (1 day, 6:18:21) 15:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:15 I wonder if tinklebear is doing no-MR conduct 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Geryon, on T:97328 (1 day, 10:29:32) 15:15 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15 I asked him and he said he says he thinks so 15:16 but he started it a long time ago 15:16 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:16 ah 15:16 in any case, he doesn't have MR right now 15:16 his HP is scarily low as always. I hope he doesn't die 15:16 I saw him doing the hallu defence yesterday 15:17 semi-surprised he's not doing permahallu :) 15:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 32 points, T:204, killed by a grid bug 15:40 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed greased fixed magic marker", on T:144128 (1 day, 6:43:15) 15:41 @e?iguana 15:41 ah k2's internet problems probably killed pinobot 15:42 Iguana killed your rat? 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Lolth, on T:98442 (1 day, 10:56:25) 15:42 I never had a rat 15:42 too annoying when you can't displace it so I just am petless 15:43 Yes but they can help survive and buc test :{ 15:43 the early levels are so difficult... I have to actually play slow 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:144214 (1 day, 6:46:38) 15:44 I got the second goblin town variant so I can't get to the hammer without killing gk :[ 15:44 Yes I think petless is okay to do. 15:45 tempted to suicide 15:46 but I will keep playing 15:47 Good luck :} 15:47 waddahell lolth is angry why? 15:47 okay now I will die :P 15:48 I don't know why my strength always decrease, and my strength cap is 18, that's too annoying. 15:48 Bad luck :( 15:48 you are abusing your strength 15:48 I know, I don't know how I abused it. 15:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 711 points, T:3219, killed by an orcish dagger 15:51 I can't understand what did I do that abuses strength. 15:51 Being hurt in any kind of explosion? 15:52 I think Dichotomy explosion doesn't hurt me. 15:52 :( 15:52 I checked the wiki page nah. 15:53 yay a shop had a remove curse scroll on level 2 15:53 sold spellbook of flame sphere to get it 15:54 hh cool. 15:55 yeah, I dislike that whole "abuse" system 15:55 seems like there's a million random things that abuse strength 15:56 for the player it just feels completely random 15:56 you feel dumb! you feel weak! you feel fragile! 15:56 yeah whatever 15:57 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) murdered Vita Fidelia, her faithful cauchemar, on T:91475 (3 days, 2:05:21) 15:57 oof 15:57 yeah, there's far too many small things to possibly consciously prevent them all 15:58 so it amounts to "every once in a while your attributes drop, get fucked lol" 15:58 mobihack will only reduce an attribute when there is a direct cause :-) 15:58 heh 15:58 I would play mobihack 15:58 Yeah but even I checked the wiki strength abuse page. 15:59 I still don't know why :{ 15:59 there are so many possibilities, very difficult to keep track 16:00 and ultimately once you put on your purity or vecna you won't care :-) 16:00 I know that the dex abuse is often because I'm satiated. 16:01 my last drow relied on dragonbane, it's really annoying when you drop from 18 to 17 16:01 Yes, suddenly be burdened. 16:02 dragonbane + armor of retribution then 16:03 I could forge AoR but I have no forges :( 16:03 Yeah, explosions abuse strength 16:03 drop poly down a sink and pray? 16:03 i've lucked into a forge that way before 16:03 That's cool 16:04 I have only 3 forges, and forged Dichotomy and Shadowblade. 16:04 I think shadowblade is wasting my forge. 16:04 yeah shadowblade is hot garbage compared to other forging opportunities 16:04 dichotomy is amazing tho 16:05 Umbire I doubt that Dichotomy is abusing my strength. 16:05 But I see the wiki said I need to be hurt, the dichotomy explosion won't hurt me tho. 16:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 691 points, T:1775, killed by an orcish dagger 16:14 I think GnollHack gets rid of attribute exercise and abuse (and dNetHack gets rid of it for clockwork automata and androids only) 16:15 what's the reasoning for the dnethack thing, you're a robot so you can't improve yourself by exercising? 16:16 I think so 16:17 life after the change that makes throwing the iron ball sear you as drow convict has been perpetually bleak and depressing 16:17 xdminsky if you have sinks and rings of polymorph, you could try to get lucky 16:18 was that your suggestion Loggers_VIII ;-) 16:19 I don't remember. maybe I mentioned it 16:19 That hurts. 16:19 I want to throw the ball and then get pulled by it into melee range of a monster. that was so badass. but I'll get seared so I can't 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 123 points, T:1506, killed by a kobold 16:20 Just fight them in melee. 16:20 I often do so after DL 3 or 4 maybe. 16:20 I don't wanna wield the ball, doing so gives a luck penalty 16:21 I just want to throw it :((((((( 16:21 well, whatever. I will get luck blade or something insteadd 16:22 Ah just bare hand is okay maybe. 16:22 sigh...where are the @infidels when you need them! time to make my own unholy water 16:23 Ah now I cannot kill Graz'zt. 16:23 ? 16:23 The melee in evilhack is so weak :{ 16:23 Seems that I cannot fight any boss in melee :( 16:24 melee is crazy strong! convicts are just not very good fighters 16:24 I'm not sure, can I fight graz'zt in melee? 16:24 are you dual wielding? you may need to single wield. or eat rings of accuracy or damage or both (or wear if wrong material) 16:24 i do not recommend meleeing graz'zt unless lawful and wearing purity 16:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:24 graz'zt is a mandatory boulder fort in my book otherwise 16:24 or try to cancel the crap out of him 16:25 he will grab all your junk 16:25 first time i ran into him he stripped me naked 16:25 can you throw a cockatrice corpse without getting stoned? 16:25 if not wearing gloves 16:25 @e?graz'zt 16:26 How to throw it without gloves. 16:26 you can if you are wearing yellow dragonscale 16:26 Ah cool. 16:26 just as likely to miss and have it thrown back at you :-) 16:27 i'm not sure but graz'zt can probably cure petrification btw 16:27 (that doesn't mean he'll ALWAYS do it, but you may have to try to stone him a bunch) 16:27 I can throw potion of paralysis then the c corpse. 16:27 I'm not sure, how do other drow deal with these bosses? 16:28 I can't gather that much darts :( 16:28 if you're wearing yellow dragon scales, it doesn't matter if it gets thrown back 16:28 My 80 +7 iron darts seems totally not enough. 16:28 +7 silver darts of lightning do the trick 16:29 don't forget to put on rings of increase damage while throwing 16:29 can wish for them in batches of 20 16:29 what skills do convicts get? shuriken > darts if the skills are equal 16:29 graz'zt is not immune to shock, and you always want silver 16:29 Maybe it's my boulder fort problem, I can only hit him in one direction. 16:29 i dont think they get shuriken 16:29 is he cold-vulnerable? 16:29 but yeah, anyone who can do shuriken, silver shuriken are da bomb 16:29 no he is not 16:29 only vulnerable to lightning 16:30 How to get +7 silver darts? 16:30 Spending wishes? 16:30 i would say no, there must be a better way 16:30 if you can paralyze him just beat him to death 16:31 any club skill? silver aklys is nice too 16:31 dont think they get club skill 16:31 Expert at club! 16:31 you know, you can make silver sling bullets 16:31 or really? then yeah, maybe two +7 silver aklys of lightning from boulder fort 16:31 any forges left? 16:31 I've trained club to expert this game, and later my +7 mithril club was eaten by a rock mole :{ 16:31 i'm carrying some of those myself as a priest 16:32 aklys are easy to make 16:32 I think yes, one forge, let me try later. 16:32 if you have any silver crossbow bolts or arrows and any of lightning, you can make silver aklys of lightning 16:32 @e?graz'zt 16:32 hmm 16:32 @e?giant ant 16:32 giant ant (a) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 3 | Atk: 1d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, oviparous, passes-bars 16:32 make sure you have collected all the bolts and arrows 16:32 @e?graz'zt 16:32 Graz'zt (&) | Lvl: 105 | Diff: 53 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 35 | Gen: unique | AC: -9 | Atk: 4d8 weapon physical, 6d6 claw stun, 4d6 cast clerical, 3d6 claw item steal | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis 16:32 and flails 16:32 gnolls drop lots of them 16:33 Maybe next game I should aim on aklys directly. 16:34 Better than melee :{ 16:34 oh if you have only 1 forge... an object property can cool the lava 16:34 Is that a 0.8.3 new thing? 16:34 don't know... 16:35 Okay I learn. 16:35 yeah if you only have one forge you may want to forgo the properties 16:38 That's been a thing for a while, I'm sure. 16:39 Trying to spot where the ping was... 16:39 thank you guys, night o/ 16:40 good night! 16:41 xdminsy, you don't have to be literally hurt by the explosion, just caught in one. 16:42 hmm 16:42 why does graz'zt resist cold? most demons don't (except asmodeus because he's associated with cold) 16:42 so using dichotomy means abusing your strength? 16:42 @d?graz'zt 16:42 Graz'zt (&) | Lvl: 66 | Diff: 40 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 66 | Gen: unique | AC: Nat 12/Dodge 12/Prot 12 | Atk: 1d6 claw sex, 3d6 weapon physical, 3d6 weapon physical, 3d6 weapon physical, 3d6 weapon physical, 6d6 cast spell | Align: -15 | nopoly, flies, stalker, covetous, poisonous, infravis, demon, seeinvis, silverhate 16:43 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.4.3/src/explode.c#line364 The way the code reads in 3.4.3, abuse isn't contingent on damage. 16:43 Graz'zt isn't most demons, clearly. 16:44 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/explode.c#L558 Same here, so if I peek at Dichotomy's code... 16:44 Graz'zt and Tiamat like their chilly liaisons 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:99840 (1 day, 12:01:09) 16:47 sweet! only needed 1 scroll 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:99842 (1 day, 12:01:50) 16:48 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/explode.c#L649 16:48 And so here. Being in an explosion at all abuses strength. 16:49 dichotomy still worth it! 16:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided basilisks, on T:99846 (1 day, 12:03:44) 16:49 !tell xdminsy https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/explode.c#L649 Explosions abuse strength whether they actually damage you or not. 16:49 I'm on it, Umbire. 16:49 pretty silly that it abuses your strength to use dichotomy 16:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class c, on T:99847 (1 day, 12:04:00) 16:50 you're silly 16:50 that too 16:50 :P 16:50 that's a given :-) 16:51 yeah using dichotomy should abuse your int and wis! 16:51 lol 16:51 STILL worth it 17:00 r - 11 uncursed sling bullets of fire (in quiver pouch) (66 aum) 17:00 bullets gonna get oprops 17:00 and i found a minor bug while adding this 17:00 yay 17:00 *found and fixed 17:04 -!- sludge_ has joined #evilhack 17:14 better look out for those hobbits! 17:15 forge destruction from oprops should be biased by item weight (i.e. bullets should have less of a chance of killing the forge than a dagger, which has less than a longsword) 17:15 btw #genocided is the BEST 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided black dragons, on T:99850 (1 day, 12:31:25) 17:23 its not the weight 17:23 it's the magic 17:25 not a lot of magic in a dart :-) 17:26 ok im gonna try throwing the hotdog for the first time. odds on it ending up lying at orcus's feet and me having no weapon? presumably quite high 17:26 oh man it blasts the crap out of me each time :-) 17:26 It's the same 1/100 as other things. 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:99962 (1 day, 12:41:15) 17:27 glass golems are such crap 5s 17:28 k2: make glass golems vitrify (like petrification but not protected against by yellow dragonscale) 17:30 The sling bullet burns the paper golem! The paper golem ignites and turns to ash! 17:39 <@loggers_viii> dichotomy should protect you from being abused by explosions 17:40 damn i found a few bugs working on this commit 17:40 so i'm allowing sling bullets to have obj properties. discover that weapon tools (pick-axes) with obj properties werent using their obj prop 17:41 also discovered any weapon with an obj prop being wielded by a monster vs another monster wasnt using its obj prop 17:41 like... wtf 17:41 how did this go unnoticed for so long 17:42 <@loggers_viii> dichotomy should protect you from being abused by explosions <--- ok 17:42 will need to do same for tempest 17:42 although you're one square away when that kicks in 17:42 but *shrug* 17:43 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:43 dnh has vitrification (baalphegor's ancient breath attack). It's HP damage (fully resisted by being a demon, partially resisted by cold resistance and free action), and if you die to it you rise as a vitrean-template monster. It also curses items (resisted by curse res) and then makes you lose speed. If all equipment is cursed and you lack speed and free action, it's instadeath (vitrification). 17:44 (ancient breath attacks are very different to ordinary breath attacks - they're not rays, don't require LoS or for you to be inline, and have both an inhale and exhale part) 17:45 Does the explosion hit you and your steed if you use tempest in melee while riding? 17:45 or just you if you use it in melee as a centaur 17:47 the chance for explosion only occurs when using it properly. so if melee, the monster would have to be one square away 17:47 that keeps you outside of the blast radius 17:47 Does jousting not count as using it properly? 17:47 it would 17:48 so that would need to be accounted for 17:48 ugh, another minor bug found 17:49 very minor 17:49 'The hobbit pickpocket throws a dart of fire! You are hit by a dart of fire. The dart of fire hits you.' 17:49 ^ i'm a fire giant so no burn msg 17:49 but, hit msg is occurring twice 17:49 once for normal hit, second prob from artifact_hit 17:50 minor? UNPLAYABLE! 17:50 lol 17:52 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:57 ok fixed that 18:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:18759 (4:57:05) 19:14 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class R, on T:74768 (14:50:01) 19:38 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±10] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/72eb0a2e9c11...b963d199269e 19:38 [EvilHack] k21971 b963d19 - Sling bullets can have object properties. 19:38 good timing, food time 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Quit: client quit] 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 20:08 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:09 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 20:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a leather alchemy smock entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:807 (0:32:30) 20:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:101366 (1 day, 13:38:55) 20:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:101367 (1 day, 13:39:10) 20:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:102165 (1 day, 14:00:42) 20:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:102500 (1 day, 14:08:10) 21:06 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Fem Neu), 61825 points, T:21087, killed by a giant beetle, while paralyzed by a monster 21:07 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:20877 (5:31:20) 21:28 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:37 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 21:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3192 (4:05:37) 21:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3475 points, T:3296, killed by a warg 21:41 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 21:43 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 22:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:75634 (15:19:09) 22:03 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 22:06 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 22:14 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±6] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/b963d199269e...10089bbf63a4 22:14 [EvilHack] k21971 10089bb - New spell - critical healing. 22:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Tal'Gath, on T:76211 (15:37:37) 23:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:129299 (1 day, 5:46:18) 23:45 -!- sludge_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45 -!- sludge_ has joined #evilhack 23:50 <@loggers_viii> hell yeah, tortle healer is now the most powerful combo with the addition of critical healing 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥 23:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:4660 (1:35:38) 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4944 (1:37:53) 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (gremlins), on T:5001 (1:38:28)