00:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a steel spear entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:68919 (13:23:07)
05:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Shadowblade, on T:100426 (15:22:40)
05:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Tou Hob Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3176 (0:52:07)
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05:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a leather cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:101610 (15:45:08)
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06:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven short sword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:102211 (16:01:51)
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06:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:104808 (16:28:45)
07:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:106772 (16:59:24)
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07:06 <mobileuser> ab
07:06 <Hecubus> mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2024-05-11 18:36 EDT: https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2651/source
07:06 <Hecubus> mobileuser: Message from rebatela at 2024-05-11 18:45 EDT: CONGRATS!
07:06 <mobileuser> thanks!
07:06 <mobileuser> lol K2
07:06 <xdminsy> ab mobileuser!
07:07 <mobileuser> re: wizard: I've been thinking for some time that the staffs of <spell school> could be made more interesting
07:08 <mobileuser> maybe add some funky stuff if the role is wizard
07:08 <mobileuser> hi xdminsy!
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07:12 <krm26> mobileuser, if spell skill effects are expanded and made meaningful/interesting for all skill levels, then the staffs granting a free skill level when used makes them more compelling
07:14 <mobileuser> agreed, nice idea
07:15 <mobileuser> gotta go do some stuff in the garden, bbl
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07:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:89097 (1 day, 6:14:11)
08:21 <krm26> nooooo
08:22 <krm26> lost my level 49 dragon to tameness somehow
08:22 <krm26> #quitting time
09:11 <mobileuser> lol just go ascend
09:27 <xdminsy> Can I use Dragonbane to kill gray dragon without being cancelled?
09:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (antimatter vortices), on T:107949 (18:00:03)
09:36 <mobileuser> xdminsky no
09:36 <mobileuser> * xdminsy
09:39 <K2> morning o/
09:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2004 (0:16:02)
09:42 <K2> mobileuser what all do you have in your garden?
09:45 <mobileuser> potatoes, beans, cale, rhubarb stuff like that
09:46 <xdminsy> Ah okay.
09:47 <xdminsy> The striped shirt is too annoying that I cannot nurse dance :(
09:47 <mobileuser> I just do the dumb labour K2 :-)
09:47 <K2> \o/
09:47 <K2> yeah same
09:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:108058 (18:17:06)
09:48 <K2> 'oh hey look, green stuff. *dig dig dig*'
09:48 <mobileuser> yup
09:49 <K2> you see latest commit mobileuser?
09:49 <mobileuser> yeah we were discussing wizard a bit today
09:49 <K2> ok
09:49 <K2> round two is coming
09:50 <K2> based off of what krm26 and I discussed last night
09:50 <mobileuser> I read the log, nice
09:50 <K2> cool
09:51 <mobileuser> xdminsy usually gray dragons just take patience while you keep throwing stuff at them till they finally die
09:51 <xdminsy> hh I learn.
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10:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a cockatrice, on T:109545 (19:03:46)
10:35 <mobileuser> ??
10:35 <mobileuser> doesn't the shirt give MR?
10:35 <xdminsy> Yes, but I can zap the wand at myself.
10:36 <xdminsy> I have to become a smaller monster to take off the shirt, or using nymph..
10:36 <mobileuser> ah desperate for nurse dancing ;-)
10:37 <xdminsy> Yes, drow has so few max hp :(
10:37 <xdminsy> I want to lay some c eggs lol.
10:39 <xdminsy> Well but I can't zap wands as a cockatrice..
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11:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:111062 (19:30:04)
11:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 oilskin toque", on T:111072 (19:30:48)
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11:08 <K2> i've got the damage scaling based on skill dialed in for force bolt
11:08 <K2> just testing some stuff
11:09 <K2> made an improvement/tweak to illithid psionic wave damage too (better damage scaling as you level up)
11:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:112143 (19:43:50)
11:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:113660 (20:14:17)
11:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:113928 (20:19:58)
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12:33 <terrapin> psioinc wave scaling will be nice
12:34 <terrapin> currently it's still relevant at high XLs because of the confusion and (almost) unresistable beam damage, but it takes annoying long to plink away at npcs and such
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15:01 <K2> running into an odd issue
15:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a wooden scalpel bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:116688 (21:39:28)
15:01 <K2> i was going to adjust to hit chances for force bolt for wizards based on skill
15:02 <K2> and no matter what I adjust, it doesnt seem to work
15:02 <K2> which makes me wonder if something is broken with spell_hit_bonus() or zap_hit()
15:03 <K2> or (more plausible) i'm doing something wrong
15:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) refused to give up The Striped Shirt of Liberation to Robert the Lifer, on T:116828 (21:48:27)
15:11 <xdminsy> Do I need to kill Robert the Lifer?
15:15 <K2> yup
15:16 <xdminsy> So I should kill him before buying protection :(
15:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:9226 (2:13:48)
15:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:118245 (22:10:08)
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15:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:118769 (22:22:35)
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15:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:79983 (2 days, 15:56:03)
15:54 <mobileuser> hey it's tinklebear
15:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed greased fixed magic marker", on T:119357 (22:32:35)
15:57 <mobileuser> perma-hallu
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16:07 <mobileuser> hey, the hallu is gone...
16:09 <mobileuser> maybe a tactic because of lack of MR
16:18 <mobileuser> "You consume homemade human" yuck
16:18 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/1132316302de...288a5e60d65f
16:19 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 288a5e6 - Attempt to make Wizards less reliant on weapons, focus more on spellcasting (round two).
16:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:120907 (22:59:09)
16:25 <mobileuser> you solved the problem K2?
16:27 <K2> no
16:27 <K2> still figuring it out
16:28 <K2> seeing same behavior in vanilla too
16:28 <K2> example:
16:28 <K2> start a new game in wizmode, wizard
16:29 <K2> enhance attack spell skill to expert
16:29 <K2> spawn a giant turtle
16:29 <K2> ^ they typically have an ac of -9 or -10
16:29 <K2> cast force bolt at it - you will miss *every time*
16:29 <K2> even if you set your exp level to 30
16:30 <K2> now, while at exp level 1, zap a wand of magic missile at it
16:30 <K2> you'll hit almost every time
16:30 <K2> dexterity plays a role in this too, i had dex 18 for test
16:31 <K2> can do same test in vanilla nethack, use a displacer beast instead (ac -10)
16:31 <K2> same results
16:31 <mobileuser> and a wand of striking?
16:34 <K2> mis miss miss miss miss
16:35 <K2> oh hey a hit
16:35 <K2> made my dex 25
16:35 <mobileuser> heh
16:36 <K2> spawned another wand with 100 changes, no hits
16:36 <K2> even with dex 25
16:36 <mobileuser> so it's something specific to striking
16:36 <K2> looking that way
16:39 <K2> ah i see it
16:39 <K2> sonofa...
16:39 <K2> in bhitm() for wand of striking/spell force bolt
16:39 <K2>         } else if (u.uswallow || rnd(20) < 10 + find_mac(mtmp)) {
16:40 <K2> ^ means if you're engulfed, it'll always land a hit
16:40 <K2> otherwise, that formula comes into play
16:40 <K2> ok
16:40 <K2> thanks mobileuser :P
16:41 <mobileuser> =D
16:41 <K2> this right here is why no one uses force bolt in mid/late game
16:42 <K2> can't hit anything with a half way decent AC
16:42 <K2> (same formula is used in vanilla)
16:42 <K2> *force bolt or wands of striking
16:43 <K2> why is to-hit calc being done in bhitm() ? bhitm is processed when a hit has already landed
16:43 <mobileuser> lol I see "Idiot!  You've shot yourself!" in the source code
16:43 <K2> :)
16:44 <K2> heh for grins... gonna change         } else if (u.uswallow || rnd(20) < 10 + find_mac(mtmp)) {
16:44 <K2> to just } else {
16:44 <mobileuser> always hit! \o/
16:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1908 points, T:3909, poisoned by a gray fungus
16:45 <K2> well no... spell_hit_bonus is still in play
16:45 <mobileuser> oh...
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16:45 <K2> but it's like it's doubly hard for wand striking/force bolt
16:45 <K2> taking that bit out should put it on a level playing field
16:45 <K2> lets see
16:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:23, killed by a jackal
16:46 <mobileuser> but you still want to always hit when engulfed
16:46 <K2> yup
16:46 <K2> easy enough to make sure of that
16:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 18 points, T:128, killed by a bear trap
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16:48 <K2> hmm no i see why it's done this way
16:48 <K2> but it's still kinda whack
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16:49 <K2> easier to play with the formula
16:51 <K2> heh so get this
16:51 <K2> rnd(20) < 10 + find_mac(mtmp)
16:51 <K2> so if your target has an AC of -10
16:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 121 points, T:512, killed by a raven
16:52 <K2> to land a hit, rnd(20) would have be < than 0
16:52 <K2> which can never happen
16:52 <mobileuser> aha!
16:52 <K2> -9 would have be < than 1 which also can never happen
16:53 <K2> therefore, wands of striking/force bolt spell are useless vs monsters with an AC better than -8
16:53 <K2> doesnt matter how good your dex is or your spell skill
16:54 <mobileuser> "Wands of striking have a fixed chance of hitting; if the roll of a d20 is lower than (10 + monster's AC), the strike hits"
16:54 <mobileuser> it's on the wiki :-P
16:54 <K2> yay
16:55 <K2> i bet this is unchanged across all variants
16:56 <K2> however, with the recent changes for wizards and force bolt, we want force bolt to still be viable mid/late game
16:58 <K2> rnd(20) < 20 + find_mac(mtmp) <--- could land a force bolt hit on a giant turtle about 50% of the time
16:59 <K2> so instead of useless vs monsters with an ac better than -8, it's ac better than -18
16:59 <K2> hmm
17:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Mon Gia Mal Law), 529 points, T:867, killed by the Goblin King
17:03 <mobileuser> which variant has wand skill?
17:03 <K2> fiqhack
17:03 <Loggers_VIII> dnethack does too
17:03 <mobileuser> ah
17:03 <K2> so maybe its different in those
17:03 <mobileuser> I wonder what formulas they use
17:03 <mobileuser> yeah
17:04 <K2> i know what i'm gonna do
17:13 <K2> https://termbin.com/kwv4
17:14 <K2> ^ testing this now
17:14 <K2> what this does - wand of striking chances to hit remain the same, because using a wand is never dependent on spell skill
17:14 <K2> basic in attack spells, odds remian the same, which is fine for early game
17:14 <K2> *remain
17:15 <K2> skilled bumps up the odds significantly
17:15 <K2> expert even moreso
17:15 <K2> a monster would have to have an AC in the -30 range or greater to never get hit by force bolt spell
17:16 <mobileuser> player monsters have that
17:16 <K2> sometimes yes
17:16 <K2> late game player monsters
17:16 <K2> and not always
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17:17 <K2> this is where the player can start getting creative with their wand of cancellation :)
17:18 <K2> anywho
17:18 <K2> this makes force bolt much more viable
17:23 <K2> dexterity should play a role too
17:26 <mobileuser> poor tortles...
17:27 <K2> heh
17:27 <K2> or could just leave dex out of it
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17:53 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/288a5e60d65f...eb1b67971017
17:53 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 eb1b679 - Changes to to-hit formula for force bolt spell.
17:58 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/eb1b67971017...2ce3d53d6567
17:58 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 2ce3d53 - Fix: restore ability spell could not be used on ridden steed.
19:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Arc Hum Mal Law), 969 points, T:1385, killed by a water demon, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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19:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:15222 (3:48:16)
19:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:15238 (3:48:36)
19:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15454 (3:49:29)
19:32 <Noisytoot> fiqhack has the wands balance patch, dnethack just has a wand damage skill that scales damage and to-hit but not effects like the wands balance patch
19:32 <Noisytoot> fourk also has a slightly different version of the wands balance patch
19:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a hill orc, on T:15799 (3:53:00)
19:37 <Noisytoot> with the right conditions in devel dnethack force bolt can deal 300+ damage
19:41 <Noisytoot> wands of striking always hit and do 2d12/4d12/6d12 damage depending on wand damage skill. spell of force bolt does 2d12/3d12/4d12 damage depending on attack spell skill with rnd(20) < 10 + find_mac(mtmp) + 2*P_SKILL(otyp == SPE_FORCE_BOLT ? P_ATTACK_SPELL : P_WAND_POWER) as the to-hit calculation. rods of force use spell to-hit (except with wand power skill instead of attack spell) but wand damage.
19:42 <Noisytoot> for the spell, you also deal +((XL+1)/2)d12 damage if you are wielding the Annulus in chakram form, and +10d12 if you are level 30 and know the patience mantra
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19:46 <Noisytoot> Which means that an XL30 anachrononaut with the patience mantra and wielding the Annulus as a chakram would do 29d12 (4d12+15d12+10d12) damage, or up to 348. This could be further multiplied by Spellboost (x2, 696 damage), Naberius (x1.5, 1044 damage), and Krau (x1.5, 1566 damage). However, the to-hit is still quite bad even though it's better than vanilla.
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19:55 <Noisytoot> I think you can hit up to AC -18 at expert, which is still quite bad
20:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:21273 (4:35:46)
20:35 <K2> Noisytoot thanks
20:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:24520 (4:57:44)
20:41 <K2> that amount of potential damage is insane
20:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:71240 (13:47:30)
20:51 <bouquet> woo! My second favorite sword
20:55 <K2> \o/
20:55 <K2> ^ never heard in vanilla nethack
20:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:85512 (2 days, 20:27:57)
20:55 <bouquet> I always make sure to ask 4 year olds what their second favorite dinosaur is because they generally have them ranked.
20:56 <K2> hah good call
20:56 <K2> alrighty, lets play test wiz some more
20:56 <K2> you catch the latest commit affecting wizards bouquet?
20:57 <K2> *commits
20:57 <bouquet> newp
20:57 <K2> have a look, i'd like as much feedback as possible
20:57 <K2> from everyone
20:57 <bouquet> I've been using my man card all day to score points with Mom Airlines
20:57 * K2 nods
20:57 <K2> kiddo and I did good for moms day
20:58 <K2> made her breakfast in bed, got her flowers for the garden, got dinner exactly how she wanted, watched one of her fav movies while drinking a nice white wine
20:58 <bouquet> I took out the 80's vintage steel shelf from the garage and built all new wall mounted shelves.  Freed up SOOOOO much room. It's like having another room in the house.
20:58 <K2> awesome
20:59 <K2> i just ordered some shelving for the garage, gonna clean up so much stuff and make more room
20:59 <bouquet> I told her we were going to get a Smart Car and park it in there since there's so much room now.
20:59 <K2> nice
20:59 <K2> there's more shelving i want to get, doing it in phases
21:00 <K2> part of it will become staging for gardening and other yard work stuff
21:00 <bouquet> I went with that ugly lame white wire shelving, but I'm going to put down wood veneer so it's got a flat surface.
21:00 <K2> oh that'll be nice
21:00 <bouquet> saved at least 5000zm doing it myself.
21:01 <K2> :)
21:01 <bouquet> I wouldn't put it in an interior room. It's fine for the garage.
21:01 <K2> I odered a couple of these - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CCS1G5CD?th=1
21:01 <K2> have the same type of shelving in the basement
21:01 <K2> *ordered
21:02 <bouquet> Those are good shelves. I put a bunch in somewhere else.
21:02 <K2> yeah they'll work. plus easy to assemble
21:03 <K2> thats the part i like the best
21:10 <krm26> unfortunately my spine has healed enough that *i* got to spend today shifting cinderblocks for mom. worst mothers day ever!
21:14 <K2> heh
21:14 <K2> well that's good news yeah?
21:14 <K2> just dont overdo it
21:15 <krm26> while dying outside, i was thinking about wizards k2. i think even with cheap force bolt, there will be an issue with stun/confusion
21:15 <krm26> if wizards become totally melee-kneecapped
21:15 <K2> they arent totally
21:15 <krm26> maybe also be able to cast force bolt while mentally distraught
21:15 <K2> not starting with a weapon doesnt mean they cant find one and use it
21:16 <krm26> presumably no starting weapn AND no starting skills tho right?
21:16 <K2> i'm play testing a giant wiz as we speak, already found a dagger and a boulder and havent left dlvl 1 yet
21:16 <krm26> well giants are their own thing
21:16 <K2> no they still have starting skills
21:16 <krm26> giants dont need any weapons or spells, just boulders
21:16 <K2> all weapon skills are currently capped at basic though
21:16 <K2> and i bumped up clerical spells to skilled
21:17 <K2> so now wizards can get skilled or expert in all spell schools
21:30 <Noisytoot> I think they should have higher than basic quarterstaff skill
21:31 <K2> perhaps
21:31 <K2> actually i may put that back to expert
21:35 <Noisytoot> In nndnh wizards learn their special spells at level 14 (hackem has something similar but it's for everyone and at level 12. I think the nndnh implementation is better because it's never forgotten as long as you stay above level 14 and if you go below level 14 you forget it only if you don't know it from another source)
21:36 <K2> a long time ago I was kicking around the idea of adding cantrips. do you know what those are Noisytoot?
21:38 <Noisytoot> I think GnollHack has them
21:40 <K2> i didnt think they'd add much usefulness to the game
21:42 <Noisytoot> I'm not sure how the GnollHack implementation differs from ordinary spells apart from being even cheaper than level 1 spells
21:45 <K2> yeah, a cantrip is a level 0 spell. for apprentice/fledgling magic users in training who arent bonafide wizards yet
21:46 <K2> works nicely in ad&d. i dont see the utility in nethack
21:47 <K2> unearthed arcana (1st edition ad&d) has an entire section devoted to cantrips
21:50 <K2> i put quarterstaff back to expert, just havent committed yet
21:50 <K2> i wanna play around with these wizard/spell changes some more
21:50 <K2> i fell like i'm on the right track, just need to get it dialed in
21:50 <K2> *feel
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21:57 <Noisytoot> GnollHack makes force bolt deal 3d6 damage and +1d6 per 8 levels after that. SLEX splits it into force bolt (a level 4 spell) and magic bolt (a level 1 spell that doesn't break stuff) and does some weird stuff with the damage and other weird stuff with the to-hit (it uses rnz for some reason)
22:00 <K2> ooof
22:00 <K2> (the slex bit)
22:01 <K2> +1d6 per 8 levels doesnt sound like a lot, but gnollhack allows players to reach exp level 50
22:01 <K2> assuming that hasnt changed
22:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Rog Elf Mal Cha), 16 points, T:620, killed by kicking an adverse material
22:02 <K2> alright i gotta go to bed. gnite Noisytoot, everyone
22:04 <Umbire> night
22:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 339 points, T:735, killed by a sewer rat
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22:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 62 points, T:296, killed by a sewer rat, while praying
22:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 67 points, T:288, killed by a newt
22:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 95 points, T:262, killed by a jackal
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22:45 <Loggers> !setmintc loggers 200
22:45 <Hecubus> Loggers: Usage: !setmintc [turncount]
22:45 <Loggers> !setmintc 200
22:45 <Hecubus> Loggers: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for loggers set to 200
22:45 <Loggers> I literally always fuck that up
22:45 <Loggers> not a single time have I done that on the first try
22:59 <Loggers> killing a fox as drow convict feels like such a lucky break
23:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 210 points, T:712, killed by a jackal, while praying
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23:48 <bouquet> anyone got a link to the changes to wizzards?