00:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a robe entrusted to her by Odin, on T:25722 (9:09:59) 00:49 I think someone spammed me in game. 00:49 n8dd sent mail that just said "Hi ;)" I would expect a tinder profile at least. 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 oilskin toque", on T:65884 (12:23:11) 01:46 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/c881c2fccc40...fde880a04c40 01:46 [EvilHack] k21971 fde880a - Fix: certain monster steeds should only be ridden by certain monster riders. 03:22 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:10671 (2:35:40) 03:26 Cool, finally I got a bone war hammer in the closet. 03:26 I've met one rock mole before but it was killed by my gargantuan spider. 03:28 nice 03:30 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:11445 (2:43:56) 03:38 -!- sludge_ has quit [Quit: Farewell!] 03:39 -!- sludge_ has joined #evilhack 04:15 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Rog Gno Mal Neu), 396 points, T:842, killed by a large spider 04:53 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:20084 (4:06:16) 05:40 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:26247 (4:53:13) 06:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:55 -!- xdminsy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:06 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 07:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:71102 (1 day, 20:04:34) 07:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:71138 (1 day, 20:08:27) 07:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:71141 (1 day, 20:08:58) 07:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:71178 (1 day, 20:16:39) 07:48 Go mobileuser go. 08:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) killed the giant high priestess of Moloch, on T:71322 (1 day, 20:38:43) 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 233452 points, T:28953, killed by a fire giant 08:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1928 points, T:2202, diseased by a human zombie, while praying 09:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:627 (0:04:12) 09:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 606 points, T:630, killed by a piranha 09:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1235 (0:05:57) 09:19 -!- xdminsy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 09:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of jumping boots entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:96479 (19:29:36) 10:19 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:48 man feeding wraiths to a pet dragon in the priest quest is so much fun 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Nalzok, on T:75760 (1 day, 0:43:28) 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:66273 (12:35:29) 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:75784 (1 day, 0:44:44) 11:02 \o/ 11:02 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 11:03 level 42 white dragon mount 11:03 gonna be so sad when he gets polyd into a snow ant 11:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "the blessed rustproof +2 Trollsbane", on T:100980 (20:41:18) 11:03 ...did i just see someone wish for trollsbane? 11:03 you think you know how the world works 11:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:76388 (1 day, 0:52:53) 11:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:100992 (20:42:21) 11:05 evilhack, breathing life into mundane objects since... i dont know when 11:06 sigh, i guess i'm gonna wear the mitre 11:06 you love the mitre and you know it 11:07 i'd love the mitre with one teeny weeny tweak 11:07 so small almost isnt worth mentioning 11:10 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:66563 (12:50:21) 11:22 If it was the metre it would be an SI artifact 11:27 It is already the un-American spelling of miter :-) 11:27 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:67939 (13:07:56) 11:27 artifact name should respect locale! 11:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:101976 (21:07:08) 11:30 and what tweak is that sir krm26? 11:32 when wearing the mitre (a) your god will grant you even bladed artifacts of the proper alignment OR, OR, if it my birthday, (b) will grant you artifacts even of improper alignments 11:33 but (a) would be soooo nice for pooor priests who are f'd out of making hotdogs and staffs like all the fing wizards do 11:33 yeah... no 11:33 :) 11:34 brb 11:37 i wanna excoriate you for never even ascending a priest in your own variant to know our pain but my brain also tells me that it thinks it has watched you ascend a priest so maybe i'll sit on my hands 11:46 let me add KRM26S_BIRTHDAY to the list of xnethack tracked holidays 11:55 some of the variants should get together and track each other's initial release anniversaries 11:56 replace izchak on those days with the celebrating variant author 11:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:79696 (1 day, 1:45:40) 12:10 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a copper katana entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:104570 (21:45:47) 12:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:71341 (1 day, 20:42:44) 12:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:104990 (21:50:55) 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:38131 (7:45:01) 12:34 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:38392 (7:49:16) 12:37 krm26 lol that's not a bad idea 12:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) killed Lucifer, on T:71425 (1 day, 20:55:59) 12:44 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) entered Purgatory, on T:71434 (1 day, 20:57:12) 13:03 gg 13:03 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:06 it's funny how purgatory always starts with a long list of things the NPCs put in their bags 13:07 will you stop and fight them? It's so tempting 13:07 i imagine you usually have everything you need for planes at this point 13:08 I like it though 13:08 Even in Vanilla, like the sanctum? I never go through those chests in the graveyard etc. because it's just more turns for Rodney to show 13:12 heh no, I almost never fight them unless I spot something I really really want 13:13 also, I don't know why people bother to kill Michael(?) 13:13 (don't see the name on the evilhack page...) 13:14 but yeah i'm the same. i run past everything 13:14 unless I truly NEED something. Like I lost something or it was stolen 13:15 I feel like it's bait actually 13:17 new season of doctor who is starting here, bbl! 13:19 'lo. 13:22 dishes 13:23 whats good umby 13:37 its a trophy in junethack 13:38 (killing st michael) 13:38 mobileuser you see latest commit? 13:41 oh yeah a new season of the doc did just drop didnt it? 13:42 my dumb ass thought you had to kill him 13:50 <@loggers_viii> I kill mikey cause it’s cool 13:51 hi logs 13:55 <@loggers_viii> yo umbire 13:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:105854 (22:09:53) 13:59 just figured out a thing with span tags 14:00 hi~ 14:02 oi xdminsy 14:12 oi umbire. 14:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a spear entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:108003 (22:47:07) 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:42282 (9:37:57) 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:43319 (9:48:51) 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:9347 (2:28:36) 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:9920 (2:33:55) 15:06 hey nice commit K2 ;-) 15:06 I remember whining about that :-P 15:07 so i didn't solve this first soko level (the very first one when you can just walk over the pits) but i can't pick up boulders i've thrown that were mine 15:07 like i threw my own boulders at a monster 15:08 and i'm probably still taking luck penalties for stepping on boulders etc 15:08 now the property of the evil sokoban corp. 15:08 i guess i'll just solve the level 15:09 yes, until you solve the level :-) 15:09 sucks my luck is probably as screwed as it can possibly be 15:10 not sure, does evilhack still have the penalty for jumping? vanilla did away with that one 15:11 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/fde880a04c40...ee0f91e7f1b1 15:11 [EvilHack] k21971 ee0f91e - Lolth will be peaceful towards Drow players under the right circumstances. 15:11 mobileuser heh 15:11 i don't care all that much about luck now that i have a unihorn. Otherwise you're just one zombie away from game over 15:13 there was one game where I had a magic lamp and I had to wish for a unihorn or die 15:16 given that recent commit - if a chaotic drow kills lolth, what do you think the penalty should be? 15:18 The perma-conversion thing discussed on the etherpad seems like a start at least 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:10694 (2:46:48) 15:18 yeah 15:18 maybe make it somewhat in line with killing your own quest leader 15:19 but more, since you just killed your goddess 15:19 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:44799 (10:21:17) 15:20 (or an avatar of hers, depending on how you had the flavor in mind) 15:22 How to enter the treasure room in rat king level? 15:23 I try those teleportation traps many times, should I kill Rat King first? 15:24 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:44886 (10:25:23) 15:24 yeah. there's a chance he has a ring of tele control 15:25 Okay, unluckily. 15:25 man i hate castles without stairs down 15:26 I tried to use my frost horn to get the gollums cave magic key. 15:26 the island castle is so laborious going up and back down 15:26 4 zaps and only half the way :( 15:26 Are you farming wraith? 15:26 no 15:26 level 20 = bad 15:27 and as a priest, you can easily farm quest wraiths anyway 15:28 my pet dragon is level 47 tho 15:28 i just need to go back and forth to avoid getting crowd-stomped, or to visit my chest, and the roundabout is an irritant 15:29 Yes the stair is convenient. 15:36 i learned that priest farming wraith thing a LONG time ago in vanilla... It's pretty much the only way i could ascend at first 15:36 Status of the saddled barded Schroedinger's Dragon (female, chaotic): Level 48 HP 336(384) AC -10, tame, fast, invisible, vulnerable to fire. 15:37 surprised it hasn't been nerfed 15:37 yeah, PRIESTS are the role that needs to be nerfed :-P 15:37 i dunno... I found them super easy. I used to only play priests long before I only played monks 15:38 THE BUC thing alone is huge. I didn't even know what altars DID until i had several ascensions under my belt 15:39 you're talking vanilla, where everything is ez? 15:39 yes\ 15:39 evilhack is not the same 15:39 oh ok 15:40 wow, i am noticing that you have never really played ANYTHING but monk in evilhack 15:40 well for MOST people, like people who don't play nethack and its variants all the time? Vanilla is not "ez" 15:40 you really need one run where you can dual wield some of the fabulous evilhack artifact weapons 15:40 nethack is a hard game for the average joe 15:41 hard? pff. it didnt even take me two decades for my first ascension! 15:41 lol maybe not everything is ez. 15:41 I think speedrunning or those 10 conducts are super hard. 15:41 49 baby! 15:42 i'm going to have decision paralysis now that my dragon is too cool to risk taking anywhere 15:42 2 decades heh. 15:43 Leave it alone and safe. 15:44 definitely took me several decades (been playing since rogue and hack) 15:44 yeah last century it took me about 11-12 off-and-on unspoiled years to ascend 15:44 not the fastest by a long shot, but i dont think the slowest either :-) 15:45 Wow being unspoiled is really a challenge. 15:45 and then it took me something like 2 months to give up on unspoiled evilhack and have k2 turn the spoiler firehose on me 15:45 we used to have to telnet and then ftp the spoilers (which were .txt files) 15:45 I play nethack from 2023, 3.7 directly :P 15:45 it was just like legend whether people actually ascended at all 15:45 esp. with rogue. i mean, that was BEFORE the internet really 15:46 even with nethack, there was no web 15:47 i know i know the internet existed... but i was connecting via dialup and ftp'ing those steelypips (sp?) files 15:47 you could find people trading info on rogue on usenet in 1980 15:48 Cool history, glad to hear that. 15:49 yeah exactly. usenet was where it was att 15:49 at 15:50 when i first played hack (after only knowing rogue) i was like 7 or 8 probably and the fact that you had a PET dog was the funniest/coolest thing ever! 15:51 nethack didn't excite me so much initially, wasnt as engaging as actual realtime multiplayer games on plato 15:52 so i didn't ever much attention on it until the late 80s 15:52 yeah i feel like we are similar ages krm26? i just turned 45 15:53 hah no man i gotcha, i'm turning 55 this summer 15:54 i'm a moon landing baby 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:83439 (1 day, 3:33:15) 15:56 -!- mariari has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:00 oh ok... well i dont feel so bad that you absolutely SMOKE me at nethack ;) 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 9829 points, T:10204, killed by a dust vortex 16:00 i got 10 years to learn 16:04 dammit i forget, how do you uncancel a pet? smash a full healing on them? 16:04 Restore ability 16:04 thx umbire. sux that my skilled restore ability spell isn't good enough 16:05 I feel like that should be enough too, but I forget if it's directional to begin with 16:05 If it is then I imagine you still roll against MR score 16:05 it is directional 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:84131 (1 day, 3:46:39) 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (beholders), on T:84193 (1 day, 3:47:10) 16:10 -!- mariari has joined #evilhack 16:12 I have uncancelled my dragon a couple of times krm26, but it still refuses to use its breath weapon 16:13 yeah i've noticed that as well 16:20 hmm 16:23 About what level would there be player monsters with bag of holding? 16:25 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Lolth, on T:49012 (11:27:16) 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 727 points, T:2185, poisoned by a giant mosquito 16:30 I think it's the ML20 ones that have those? 16:33 sometimes lower level player monsters have them as well 16:33 but never when you need one :-( 16:34 heh true. 16:40 YANI: Drow gain more nutrition from consuming mold and fungi due to spending generations farming them underground 16:40 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:50555 (11:42:05) 16:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:72354 (1 day, 21:42:02) 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of cloth high boots entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:50933 (11:44:26) 16:50 Holy, my +7 mithril aklys was eaten by the rock mole. 16:50 I hate rock mole. 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:52255 (11:57:41) 17:11 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) murdered broodmother, her faithful gargantuan spider, on T:53212 (12:12:39) 17:15 ouch 17:15 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Warden Arianna, on T:53968 (12:22:20) 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:53969 (12:22:40) 17:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:72563 (1 day, 22:11:11) 17:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) killed the Black Horse, on T:72566 (1 day, 22:11:57) 17:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:72612 (1 day, 22:20:29) 17:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law) killed the saddled White Horse, on T:72621 (1 day, 22:23:37) 17:40 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/ee0f91e7f1b1...fa1883070812 17:40 [EvilHack] k21971 fa18830 - Penalty for a chaotic Drow killing Lolth. 17:41 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 17:42 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 17:42 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 17:42 ab 17:42 HI 17:42 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 17:45 alrighty 17:45 we're full circle now with lolth and drow 17:46 oh she is peaceful to drow now? neat 17:46 yup 17:46 see the last 2 commits 17:47 that's a harsh penalty. makes sense, though 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of dark elven bracers entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:56149 (12:49:02) 17:48 that's a really nice gift 17:48 as long as xdminsy has a source of darkness 17:48 and Loggers_VIII yeah it has to be, you're killing your deity 17:48 Yes it's +3, I have several +0. 17:48 Oh I see, it may break in light. 17:48 but, you shouldnt have to, she'll spawn peaceful 17:49 yeah not like it's difficult to avoid killing her 17:49 put hermes somewhere so I can kill him too :) 17:49 heh 17:49 Why this god is in the dungeon :P 17:49 flavor 17:49 brb 17:50 yeenoghu is a god too in dnd I think, just no one worships him apart from gnolls 17:50 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a mithril broadsword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:57492 (12:52:00) 17:51 maybe I will play a drow convict. it has been a while 17:52 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:57770 (12:53:32) 17:52 yo that's a nice gift 17:52 if only as a dichotomy ingredient 17:52 Aiming for Dragonbane and Dichotomy. 17:53 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a wooden scimitar entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:57856 (12:54:56) 17:53 what level are you? 17:53 also holy you're getting so many gifts so fast 17:53 Quest. 17:53 no like xp levle 17:53 *level 17:54 Just 300s and there are all giant beetles which must drop corpses. 17:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Dwa Mal Law), 5517195 points, T:72670, ascended 17:54 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1714564024.evil.html 17:54 It's like I can have 10 giant beetle corpses and 10 soldier ant corpses, I just repeat sacrificing. 17:55 Grats mobileuser! 17:55 grats mobileuser! 17:55 lol I only slightly abused my alignment 17:55 @e?Lolth 17:55 Lolth (&) | Lvl: 67 | Diff: 36 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: unique | AC: -10 | Atk: 3d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 bite paralyze, 0d0 touch webs, 4d6 cast clerical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: -15 | seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis 17:55 It's weird for a deity to be so easy to kill (relatively) 17:56 and only because I threw a fortune cookie at Ozzy 17:56 So many pets. 17:56 and I'd expect Eilistraee to not mind someone killing Lolth that much 17:56 eh I think it's fine. kind of like Norse gods 17:56 thx xdminsy, Loggers 17:57 I like to think eilistraee's thought process is 'you gotta prove you won't come after me next', so she just sticks you with a bunch of penalties to force piety :p 17:58 mechanically I like it so everything else is whatever tbh 17:58 https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Eilistraee#Relationship_with_Lolth 17:59 What happens to all the temples/altars of Lolth? Can you convert back with a helm of opposite alignment? 17:59 I don't understand, what does Eilistraee have to do with killing Lolth? The penalty is only if you are chaotic? 17:59 oh you change alignment 18:00 noisytoot after permaconversion you can't convert again 18:00 Loggers_VIII: You can't permaconvert, but you can still put on a helm of opposite alignment 18:00 yeah well, you always inherit the penalties from your previous god 18:00 good question. have the helm explode or something 18:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a silver scimitar entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:60761 (13:02:32) 18:01 s/question/point 18:02 hmm 18:03 yeah, it would be weird to ascend with an oppo helm on an altar of Lolth 18:04 put all the gods in the dungeon somewhere 18:04 yasi: when lolth dies, the chaotic god becomes lolth II, lolth's reincarnation. you still permaconvert and lolth is still pissed 18:05 maybe you "only" killed an avatar and Lolth would really like that amulet after all? 18:05 Is that what happened to the other 7 Loggerses? 18:05 they were unsatisfactory 18:05 lol 18:05 That's how dNetHack solves it - there is no Lolth in the dungeon, just the Avatar of Lolth 18:07 that's a really good way to go about it but I think the idea of outright killing your deity is very cool and badass 18:07 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:62307 (13:09:09) 18:12 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of stone kicking boots entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:64943 (13:14:10) 18:13 what a weird gift 18:15 Lolth emptying the cupboard 18:17 https://ibb.co/S0cjQdf 18:17 Loggers it's like this. 18:17 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:67112 (13:18:51) 18:18 wtf 21 giant beetles 18:18 hehehe. 18:19 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 319 points, T:1554, killed by the Goblin King 18:20 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:20 https://ibb.co/C24rKZN 18:21 Just farming like normal beside altar, later there would be full room of giant beetles, invoke shirt and kill'em all :P 18:21 oh using the shirt is smart 18:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a stone knife entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:68150 (13:23:12) 18:22 I don't think I ever played convict with the shirt. I just gave the guy the ball every time cuz it was shit 18:22 If there's no wall maybe no need the shirt, but here is super safe, only some a and r. 18:23 Yes you haven't play the 0.8.3 drow convict lol. 18:25 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:69650 (13:26:32) 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven cloak entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:74962 (13:36:20) 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a wooden knife entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:74967 (13:36:26) 18:36 !tell mobileuser https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2651/source 18:36 No worries, K2, I've got this! 18:37 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a leather cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:75433 (13:38:21) 18:37 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:76469 (13:39:02) 18:40 lol HAX 18:43 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:78297 (13:44:26) 18:43 wow that's lucky 18:43 Cool dragonbane and frost brand. 18:44 and fire brand earlier yeah? 18:44 Yes, i can forge the Dichotomy. 18:44 HAX 18:44 :P 18:44 My previous drow convict uses dichotomy too I think. 18:45 got a couple more commits I'm gonna try and knock out over the weekend that I think you all will like. game changers 18:45 (role dependent) 18:45 oh? sounds interesting 18:45 !tell mobileuser CONGRATS! 18:45 I'm on it, rebatela. 18:46 one is something we've discussed here before but it's been awhile - wizards and their reliance on weapons when they technically shouldnt 18:46 2nd - trap kits for rogues 18:46 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:79697 (13:47:54) 18:48 Made some traps using materials? 18:52 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:82486 (13:53:38) 18:53 yeah that's the idea 18:53 rogue could start with a couple different trap kits ready to go, and then could make more at a forge 18:57 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:83599 (13:59:08) 18:58 what exp level are you xdminsy? 18:59 XL 13. 19:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a gold broadsword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:85383 (14:02:56) 19:03 Actually I don't know why am I continue farming. 19:03 Just farming :P 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6216 (0:41:13) 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:86259 (14:05:14) 19:06 sometimes farming is fun. some ppl just dont get it 19:07 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of dark elven gloves entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:87739 (14:09:02) 19:08 Agree lol. 19:13 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a leather cloak entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:88207 (14:14:34) 19:14 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of dark elven gloves entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:88664 (14:15:46) 19:15 i love farming 19:15 esp. in evil 19:15 I don't. even though I farm more than nearly anyone else 19:15 shit's boring 19:16 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a copper chain mail entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:89631 (14:18:11) 19:20 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a stone ring mail entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:91903 (14:22:14) 19:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of jumping boots entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:91975 (14:23:09) 19:23 the beauty is, it's not necessary 19:27 I guess but it's also unilaterally a good thing to do so I do it anyway 19:27 not if you're speedrunning 19:28 I wouldn't speedrun evilhack without farming at least a little 19:28 vanilla, sure 19:30 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:94617 (14:32:17) 19:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:38 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:97859 (14:39:24) 19:49 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7417 19:49 -!- Guest7417 has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 19:49 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:19 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10331 (1:24:53) 20:36 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 20:42 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:12498 (1:48:33) 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:13881 (1:59:09) 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 309 points, T:195, killed by a bugbear 20:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:117903 (1 day, 1:09:01) 20:59 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:647 (0:05:47) 21:00 !whereis parasite 21:00 rebatela: [hdf-eu] parasite [evil]: (Sam Gia Fem Law) T:117781 The Dungeons of Doom level: 17 21:02 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:743 (0:08:25) 21:02 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 1829 points, T:771, killed by a piranha 21:32 Finally a coaligned altar.. THERE IS A GOD! 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:13702 (3:26:02) 21:50 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:19562 (2:56:34) 21:52 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had an axe entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:20251 (2:58:29) 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 39402 points, T:22335, killed by a goblin shaman, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:26 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/fa1883070812...09ea4d69a54a 22:26 [EvilHack] k21971 09ea4d6 - Attempt to make Wizards less reliant on weapons, focus more on spellcasting. 22:26 ^ feedback welcome 22:27 please play test if you have the time 22:27 that commit comment is so open to interpretation -- any hints on what you did? 22:27 read the actual comments 22:28 or commit notes rather 22:28 always with the homework! ok 22:28 why say it again after i've already spent the time and effort to write it out :) 22:29 hmmmmm 22:30 so this alters very very early play but nothing else really 22:30 think of this as round one 22:30 i gotta say that i like the idea of wizards not bludgeoning things to death to save scant mana in the late game 22:30 but that is a complex problem 22:31 and of course it's trivial to find and use weapons later on 22:32 now, if I really wanted to force wizards to not use weapons ever... hah 22:32 MON("wizard", S_HUMAN, LVL(10, 12, 10, 3, 0), (1), 22:32 A(ATTK(AT_WEAP, AD_PHYS, 1, 6), NO_ATTK, NO_ATTK, NO_ATTK, NO_ATTK, 22:32 NO_ATTK), 22:32 the real crux is in the late game there are stretches that do not permit downtime, and wizards are using up a resource with spells while fighters just fight for ever 22:32 ^ change AT_WEAP to something else 22:33 i've actually thought about an issue like this before 22:33 and one take is giving wizards a spell like burning hands or shocking grasp which *recharges* spell points in addition to being a meh melee spell 22:34 of course gandalf got by just fine smacking things 22:34 well yeah for things like goblins and orcs 22:35 hmm 22:35 or.... 22:35 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/fa1883070812...09ea4d69a54a#diff-e4ccea7d2df599dff12ec9004ef33c8941e740af806a737e5f14d9db63f58cd1R1160 22:35 ^ that line right there 22:36 instead of it being just force bolt, could change it to be any attack spell 22:36 power cost is only 1/5th for a wizard 22:36 wielding a staff of (spellschool) gives you back mana when you kill something with a spell of that school? and magicbane counts as all schools? 22:36 not magicbane... more like staff of the archmagi 22:36 some kind of "caster weapon" mana synergy not related to smacking things in the face 22:37 so wizards would get a version of the "priest curse" -- use no weapons but staff/athame 22:38 in evilhack, wizards only have skill in four weapons - staff, dagger, dart and sling 22:38 yeah but it is not a big deal to get basic in longsword and swing soa 22:38 if you really wanna 22:38 tru 22:38 i mean if a player wants to melee, they're gonna 22:38 regardless of role 22:38 well, you dont see any priests using soa :-) 22:39 :) 22:39 you could make it so holding a non staff/athame weapon stopped mana recovery 22:39 maybe if i dropped trainable skill in those four from expert/skilled to just basic for all of them 22:39 that'd be more incentive to cast 22:40 yeah, that is actually a good idea, no reason for wizards to be expert at hitting people with sticks 22:40 i like that idea a lot 22:40 did i make it so force bolt does more damage based on skill? 22:41 you said you were gonna make a bunch of spell school changes so skill was more relevant 22:41 that's a change i'm dying for 22:41 (not just for wizards obv) 22:41 i did it for healing 22:41 want my super-moose expert divination casts 22:42 and cure sickness vs zombos 22:42 unrelated but pleease make some skill level of restore ability fix pet cancellation like the potion 22:42 i think it does already 22:42 nope 22:42 well at least not at skilled, havent tried expert today 22:43 yup - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/1df6b9af3ae465870b2d806a1fcc310958c0c9d7 22:43 hmmm 22:43 maybe pet resisting then? 22:43 yup 22:43 that is freaking irritating 22:43 that commit is almost a year old to the day 22:43 i guess my pets always resist my feeble spells 22:43 resisting helpful spells is blurf 22:45 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/09ea4d69a54a...1132316302de 22:45 [EvilHack] k21971 1132316 - Attempt to make Wizards less reliant on weapons, focus more on spellcasting (round one). 22:45 but back to it -- maybe force bolt isn't a great choice for a 1 point wizard damage spell -- it could be a touch-only spell like shocking grasp or whatevs 22:45 ^ same commit, just amended the title 22:45 like a series of "free" spells unlocked at different levels 22:45 force bolt is awesome actually 22:46 it can knock back 22:46 and round two is going to scale fb damage based on skill 22:46 force bolt level 1, magic missile level 15, dunno 22:46 i kinda want to add 3.7's chain lightning spell too 22:46 obviously dont want 1 spell point fireballs flying around 22:47 chain lightning! hold person! SILENCE! 22:47 so many awesome spells missing 22:48 hold person would be the spell equiv of 'potion of paralysis' 22:48 otto's irresistible dance 22:48 too OP for nethack 22:48 well, hold person DOES only work on humanoids 22:48 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:48 hold monster, level 7 22:49 wake me up for limited wish 22:49 hahahah 22:49 although dimension door would be sweet 22:49 still think priests should have create food 22:49 ok so round two is gonna be: limit weapon skills to basic, let fb damage scale with skill 22:50 you think i'm on the right track here? 22:50 i worry 22:50 need to play test the shit out of this 22:50 i worry because no matter what you do to force bolt it is a piece of shit by the mid/late game 22:50 and sometimes you wade through so much crap your spell points just can't take it 22:50 i think it's under appreciated 22:51 but we'll see 22:51 i worry this will make wizards into mandatory pet-wranglers (i mean, that is fine by me as far as it goes, but not super-wizardly) 22:51 force bolt breaks potions :-( 22:52 cant make an omlette without breaking a few potions 22:53 could encourage not meleeing by having each swing give you like an N turn cooldown on mana recovery 22:53 too tired to recover spell points 22:54 or, you get so centered by not meleeing that your regen grows...so like 1.1x after 100 turns not meleeing, 1.2x after 200 turns...or some other growth series like that 22:54 give you something to be crazy angry about when you accidentally bump a monster 22:55 i can hear loggers now 22:56 i'll need to kill my current priest so i can dork with early wizards 22:56 why? this is all for next version 22:57 if you dont let me kill my priest you are going to have to listen to me whine about not getting to forge the hammer all next week 22:58 i'm going to have to listen to you whine anyways :) 22:58 dammit i've sunk 100 spell points into trying to restore this level 49 dragon. it is just never happening 22:58 it's like I tell my wife 'you're going to yell at me regardless, so I might as well do ' 22:59 :P 22:59 what kind of dragon? 22:59 sadly, white 22:59 but it is what it is, it was actually a massive pain in the butt getting her 23:00 at least she is wearing polished barding 23:00 only 20 MR 23:00 the level doesn't affect it? 23:00 if you check her out with a stethoscope, does it still say 'cancelled' ? 23:00 yes 23:00 wtf 23:01 there might be a bug here 23:01 although 23:01 100 points is only 10 tries 23:01 challenge accepted 23:01 knowing your luck with odds... maybe keep trying 23:02 i think my actual number of attempts is about 40 now 23:02 i did a bunch before too 23:03 my test, i was a first time go 23:03 dragon uncancelled 23:03 when you cast restore ability at your dragon, do you get this feedback? 'The white dragon looks revitalized.' 23:04 no 23:04 no feedback 23:04 oh...i am riding it. that a problem? 23:04 yeah 23:04 dismount and try again 23:04 f me 23:04 worked fine 23:04 (still no feedback tho) 23:04 eh? 23:04 no feedback from spell 23:05 but restored! 23:05 but you uncancelled it? 23:05 ok 23:05 why doesnt it work mounted? it lets you cast it. heal works mounted 23:05 that is weird (and bad) 23:05 technically it should... 23:05 man i feel dumb now 23:05 i should say, UNUSUALLY dumb 23:06 (staying mounted all the time because of 10 str) 23:07 hmm i may have missed something when i made restore abil directional 23:07 i'll look into it 23:07 its not working for me either whilst mounted 23:08 brb 23:23 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 23:24 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 23:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:85144 (1 day, 4:55:46) 23:29 uuugh 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed sunsword", on T:85172 (1 day, 4:57:56) 23:29 i'm kinda fading fast, i should sleep 23:29 gnight! i need to hit the hay too, lotta mom buttkissing tomorrow 23:29 heh 23:29 gnite o/ 23:33 sleep later 23:33 *enjoy your sleep, later 23:33 bit sleepy myself 23:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) used a forge to create the Hammer of the Gods, on T:85510 (1 day, 5:04:24) 23:41 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14571 (3:54:40) 23:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:86270 (1 day, 5:26:32) 23:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:86295 (1 day, 5:28:02) 23:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Ith Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:86326 (1 day, 5:28:40)