00:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Dwa Fem Law) had an alchemy smock entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:148544 (1 day, 21:49:22) 00:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Dwa Fem Law) genocided blue dragons, on T:148615 (1 day, 21:52:41) 00:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 158 points, T:818, killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 01:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1107 points, T:941, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1626 points, T:2087, killed by a sewer rat 01:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1129 (0:13:22) 03:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] Goon (Tou Hob Mal Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:62938 (1 day, 2:45:16) 04:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Goon (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:64342 (1 day, 3:49:21) 05:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:22 ab 05:22 mobileuser: Message from Umbire at 2024-04-26 18:21 EDT: the code I'm looking at has Kathryn cast vulnerability instead of summon insects, at least directly 05:22 ab 05:22 did you check the ice queen or the enchantress? 05:23 Neither 05:23 went directly to mcastu where all that's handled 05:23 the special cases for ice queen are easy to pick out 05:24 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dragonbane_(EvilHack) unrelared 05:24 unrelated* 05:24 in my case, it was the enchantress casting summon insects 05:24 then that's normal, all the special cases are ice queen 05:25 check 05:25 s/normal/in-line 05:25 may or may not be intended, I lean towards not but we'll see if K2 changes that later 05:25 used that as an excuse to tidy up Kathryn's article 05:26 I wasn't surprised by summon insects, just found it funny she then started to kill her own summons 05:26 right 05:26 Evil dbane article is established, leaving the strategy to you guys for the moment since it's 5 in the fuckin' mornin 05:26 heh 05:27 slept in and just woke up myself 05:30 perhaps I'll create an evilhack section in the Grudge article later, seems fun 05:45 now that I am a bit more awake and had a look at the code: I agree with you Umbire that adding PM_KATHRYN_THE_ENCHANTRESS to the vulnerability/insects case would make sense. 05:49 the grudge section is overdue really 05:49 and I could honestly go either way about the special cases for Kathryn 05:49 not to say I don't think it makes sense 05:51 yeah, we'll see what K2 says 06:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:397 (0:01:38) 06:11 mobileuser, if you spot me awake this afternoon, remind me to get a start on Evil drow stuff 06:12 I'm about to tap out 06:12 will do! sleep well and see you later 06:12 later, be well o/ 06:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 06:21 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 06:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) stole 9000 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Asidonhopo's general store, on T:3812 (0:26:41) 06:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 1160 points, T:4565, killed by Mr. Asidonhopo; the shopkeeper 06:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dro Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:32080 (18:22:22) 06:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1071 (0:07:12) 07:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 2133 points, T:3261, killed by a giant mosquito 07:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:809 (0:03:25) 07:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 753 points, T:2073, zombified by a hobbit zombie, while helpless 08:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dro Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:32677 (18:51:34) 08:31 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:42 does anyone know if the enchantment of gloves is taken into account for martial arts damage? and same question for shoes when kicking? 08:43 I can see that it at least contributes to to-hit 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 618 points, T:1342, zombified by a diseased orc corpse 09:01 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5332 (3:40:15) 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:5774 (3:50:58) 09:21 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:51 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:36 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven long sword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:67878 (10:59:46) 10:37 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:26932 (6:16:31) 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:27642 (6:26:36) 10:54 whoops 11:02 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:09 at least i didn't typo into the lava! (oh wait i would have been prompted if i wanted to do it... sometimes i forget this is "evil" hack) 11:10 why not prompt if you want to insert the cancel wand? 11:11 good idea, but unfortunately K2 doesn't consistently apply the interhack principle 11:11 Someone needs to make a variant that is like nethack! the bag actually explodes, you go into the water you go into the water. etc. 11:12 this whole "are you sure?" thing and then people are suddenly breaking realtime records lol. gee i wonder why? I can just play as fast as possible with no consequences? 11:12 that already exists 11:13 it's called nethack 3.6 11:13 well, I think it's sad that the game is getting softer BECAUSE of "evil" hack :( 11:13 1. people didn't "suddenly" start breaking realtime records after paranoid swim 2. you can't play as fast as possible with no consequences 11:14 cool. thanks for clearing it up 11:14 I think it's sad that paranoid air and BoH explosion doesn't exist in evilhack 11:14 you don't even play man...It'd be like me hanging out in the dnh group and acting like an experty 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:71623 (11:39:12) 11:16 and Yes, the owner of the realtime is a huge proponent of paranoid water. If I had that record I'd be ashamed to admit i was for the prompting when you typo. Measuring time when you can just slam keys and not worry about lava is a complete joke 11:17 but you argue about anything i fucking say so whatever 11:17 appeal to authority. the fact that I have played more ndnh than evilhack doesn't mean that I'm not right 11:17 it's a bad look when you NEVER agree. I'll NEVER take anything you say seriously 11:18 you're always right 11:18 i'm sure it works out well for you IRL 11:19 I should play nethack 3.6 because they are making the game soft for crybabies? 11:19 i mean.. my bag just exploded and I'm complaining that it didn't REALLY explode 11:19 i deserved it 11:20 like the 1000s of people whose BoH exploded before me 11:20 dont' play so fast.. don't be so careless if you don't want that to happen 11:20 didn't really explode how? 11:20 otherwise? don't count the time 11:20 because it's pointless 11:21 This again, must be Tuesday 11:21 well at least I know what i'm talking about 11:21 I think that's biased by the fact that I don't confirm correct information, but I do correct incorrect information. Counting time is not pointless, there's much more to nethack/evilhack than fighting the interface. 11:21 you don't play evil either pink 11:22 ahh yes... everyone else was fighting an interface screw 11:22 are you saying that the only difficulty in evilhack is the interface? that's not true 11:22 what? 11:22 no 11:22 i like nethack in general because it was hard 11:23 people keep making it easier because - i have no idea why actually 11:23 but it keeps happening and when a game claimning to be the hard version does it, it's obviously going to trickle down 11:23 and it comes from people who don't even play evil hack 11:24 Interface improvements make the game more fun (subjectively, apparently some people like user-hostile interfaces) without making it easier (objectively, it does not make the game easier for a perfect player or one with something like interhack). EvilHack is, despite the interface improvements, harder than NetHack 3.6. 11:25 the thing I admire about you Noisytoot, is you just like to argue. You don't even know what you'r talking about 11:25 you never concede 11:25 you never want to learn anything 11:25 ^ look who's talking 11:25 i play the game 11:25 you don't 11:25 nor does he 11:25 AFAIK you've been getting drunk and having this argument for _years_, in spite of the fact that manifestly you've convinced no-one 11:25 it's odd as fuck that you hang out in a channel for a game you don't play and talk shit 11:25 years? 11:26 i've convinced no one... lol 11:26 the game had no paranoid water forever. I don't need to convince anyone 11:26 lets add lava! 11:26 but it's now just decorationm 11:26 Also define "play the game". I have played at least one evilhack game in the past. (But that's irrelevant and doesn't make me any more correct or incorrect) 11:26 damn 11:27 you're right man 11:27 i'm owned 11:27 no it's not, you can still get knocked into it or walk into it while stunned/confused 11:27 oh cool 11:27 it still burns your items if you waterwalk on it 11:27 you used to have to play as fast as you COULD without falling in, get it? 11:27 if you were trying to play fast 11:27 it's a balance 11:27 it measures your skill... if you fall in? slow down 11:28 it's a joke now and i'm arguing with people who don't even play (and oh you're right "noisytoot" you played once... wtf ) 11:29 feel free to consider realtime speedruns with paranoid water invalid if you want to 11:30 i do... 11:30 alternatively, it measures your ability to write and use a custom interhack-like improved interface with paranoid water 11:30 i mean, i just don't pay any attention to it anymore 11:31 i think having the BOH scatter instead of all the items destroyed like everyone else had to deal with is wrong too 11:31 and I JUST BLEW UP MY BAG!!! 11:32 what do you think about scattering them all over the dungeon like some variants (grunthack I think) do? 11:32 when that happened it would humble you.... and it would make you realize (hopefully) that you are playing carlessely/too fast 11:32 permadeth will be gone next, and everyone will get a participation trophy 11:33 slippery slope fallacy 11:33 it's trying to attract a new generation of players who don't think and don't take their time and can slap the keys because the game is gonna prompt you if you fuck up 11:33 also explore mode already exists 11:33 removal of permadeath would be an actual balance change, unlike paranoid * 11:33 5 amulets of life saving (worth 750 zorkmids) # kinda has 11:35 PB, didn't you say you stopped playing nethack becuse of arti-wishing ? 11:35 No. 11:35 I'm gonna do the same i guess. It's becoming something i don't recognize 11:35 i guess i'm confusing you 11:37 explore mode exists. exactly! and you CAN save scum if you play locally. The whole point of playing online was the challenge. You are proving that you' 11:37 are actually doing it 11:37 and if you're measuring time??? There shouldn't be any Are you Sure? 11:39 whatever... it's funny i'm arguing with people who don't even play the game. they just hate me and lurk in a channel for a game they don't play lol 11:39 The thing about paranoid * is that even if it doesn't exist in the game, you can't prove you weren't using it if you play online. It is entirely implementable in an interhack-like custom interface. 11:39 makes me feel a WHOLE lot better about myself, honestly. and I got MAJOR fucking problems... But i'm not in some channel for a game i don't play holy shir 11:39 unlike savescumming, which can't be implemented client-side 11:40 huh? 11:40 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Interhack 11:41 If i were a fast player? I wouldn't be petitioning (successfully, i might add) for paranoid options.... It's a pretty bad look 11:42 but you are such an expert, even as someone who just sorta showed up here and admittedly doesn't play the game, you somehow know that that isn't happening... 11:43 that what isn't happening? 11:43 you said that the realtimes weren't broken post rule change 11:43 of course you don't know anything 11:43 you're a know it all 11:44 no, I said that realtime records didn't suddenly start being broken post rule change 11:44 i'm jealous. you somehow know EVERYTHING 11:44 ok 11:46 I'm confused as to whether I know everything or I don't know anything 11:47 Noisytoot: Well, if you knew everything, you'd presumably know if you knew everything, so... 11:47 The best players these days bitch and whine and get the rules changed... It's sad. 11:47 are you really denying saying that about artiwishing PB? 11:47 you even threw a party when K2 made it so the owner would show up 11:48 and you don't even play... 11:49 ad hominem fallacy 11:49 It's not even an ad hominem, it's... if I think K2 made a good change, that must be the reason I stopped playing NetHack. Which is awkward if I think K2 has made more than one good change. :-) 11:50 you SAID 11:50 it 11:50 I wouldn't never make it up dude 11:50 i'm paraphrasing but you said "That's why i stopped playing nethack" 11:50 No, I didn't. 11:50 you said it.. why would i make that up 11:50 lol 11:50 k 11:51 maybe you didn't mean it, but you said it. I remembered it. It made me think long and hard ABOUT arti-wishing because I respected you as a player/dev etc. 11:51 (still do) 11:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:52 run away mobileuser!! 11:52 i'm making an ass of myself 11:52 lol 11:52 I love y'all . enjoy the weekend :) <3 11:52 oh dear, better fire up the irclog 11:54 oof, rip BoH 11:54 pffft i found a box... it's all good 11:56 I can't make heads or tails of that log 11:59 [discord] ai ai ai what happened here 12:01 PB said once that they stopped playing nethack when you were able to wish for a QA for MR... And when k2 made it so the owner showed up, even if he didn't play the game anymore he was all " OH MY GOD!! thank you k2!! I'm gonna wake up my friend in a bit! This is the best news ever!!" 12:01 and it threw me 12:01 like, why do these people care so much if they don't even play? 12:01 they are denying it 12:01 and hell, i've said ALL sorts of things on here I don't mean. So I'm truly sorry. I thinjk you guys are all great 12:03 the last thing i want to do is dig up logs because I've said horrible things in blackouts that I don't mean , but they haven't been about the game. You probably just don't remember, Pink. Who cares? I'm the loser. You win 12:03 [discord] this relevant log is like 20 million characters long 12:04 [discord] “this whole "are you sure?" thing and then people are suddenly breaking realtime records lol. gee i wonder why? I can just play as fast as possible with no consequences?” waddahell I’m catching strays out here :p 12:04 "Oh my God!! thank you so much!!! i'm gonna wake Jane up when she's done playing Quake 19!! She'll be so happy!!" 12:05 [discord] you need to be quiet for a little while cuz I suspect you’re in a hole and digging deeper 12:05 imagine reacting like that to a change in a game you don't play... 12:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] fstd (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:2986 (2:16:41) 12:06 nah... it's all good. love y'all i've apologized to him many times. I do not insult people personally these days and I certainly didn't mean it when I have 12:06 I think I may get whiplash from the speed you're going from "you're lying" to "you're great" to "I don't want to dig up logs" to "this definitely happened" 12:06 hehe 12:06 it's all good man 12:06 i was a complete asshole but i didn't make this stuff up 12:06 [discord] oh this is just the stupid paranoid water argument in disguise 12:07 No, it's not. Dig up the bloody logs if you can (you can't); and for God's sake stop getting drunk and having this argument. 12:07 It's not in very heavy disguise 12:08 "I cant wait for June to finish her Minesweeper game! She'll be entralled! " 12:09 [discord] literally who cares 12:09 agreed. sorry 12:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] fstd (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3925 points, T:3113, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 417 points, T:609, killed by the Goblin King 12:15 I'm done.... But I will never not think it's odd to gain satisfaction from getting someone to change the rules of a game i don't play, and it's 100% what happened pb 12:15 in other news: turn T:34574 and I am still weaponless! 12:15 maybe I'll get this for the first time 12:15 nice :) 12:15 got the dig spell now 12:15 you've never gotten weapoinless? 12:15 nope 12:16 yeah helps that it's 3 now but I love that spell 12:16 gg 12:16 get rid of the pickaxe.... 12:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:16 you think you're in control but that is how you'll fuck it up . just drop it 12:16 and in the early game I use aklys and often forget to unwield 12:17 yeah that too 12:17 hehe 12:18 oh maybe you know rebatela, lemme copy from backscroll... 12:19 is the enchantment of gloves taken into account for martial arts damage? and same question for shoes when kicking? 12:19 no idea 12:19 lol 12:19 you are the monk expert!! 12:19 i also had like +12 intrinsic dmg last asc... 12:19 so is that with every HIT? 12:19 or just at the end of the round? 12:19 i really don't kinow 12:19 every hit with gloves 12:19 I'm guessing every hit 12:20 I don't think boots have a bonus but I could be mistaken 12:20 from eating rings 12:20 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 12:20 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:20 lol yeah if you eat rings... 12:20 eating rings is also every hit 12:21 well I enchanted my boots to +5 too, hope it helps... 12:22 sucks that chaotic monks don't have an easy way to get power regen 12:22 the idol is chaotic, but the power regen is only for infidels 12:24 ok I checked and it seems like there definitely is an enchantment bonus for boots on kickig 12:24 *kicking 12:24 \o/ 12:24 thanks for checking! 12:24 no problem 12:25 wished up some kicking boots and a woolly mammoth :p 12:25 poor woolly :') 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:24164 (10:05:27) 12:28 oh, that's "interesting" 12:28 swooped back down into VotD and landed in a spot with no clear path to the stairs 12:28 shit 12:28 uh oh 12:29 sucks very much for wraith farming at the very least 12:33 ok, it's not too bad, 2 weredemons are down and I can use the portal to the tal'gath branch to lure wraiths 12:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dro Mal Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:34615 (20:08:43) 12:34 heheh "You find a wraith posing as a statue" 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Arc Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:31729 (5:32:41) 12:49 "she's super busy playing Mega man 42 with headphones", but she's gonna be SO happy when she learns about the artiwish change!! " 12:50 i'll find it if you really care, PB.. But it would be like if i was somehow influencing dnh, which i don't play 12:51 I get not remembering, but I remember because the game just gets weaker and weaker and you were so thankful !! I can't wait tl xxxx hears! she's gonna be so happy ! 12:52 holy fuck let it go already 12:52 well i don't like being called a liar 12:52 i'm leaving 12:52 have a good weekend 12:52 yz! 12:52 i'll start chilling in the angband channels and talking shit like i know what i'm talking about... 12:53 the angband channels are sort of dead I think 12:53 oh? 12:53 maybe I've been in the wrong ones 12:54 I've been in #angband for like a year and not one person has said anything 12:54 pinkbeast stopped playing nethack because of artiwishing and made an angband variant, but i must have dreamt it all lol. 12:54 Why not own that? 12:54 i made a comment in the evilhack channel and people who don't play the game start commenbting, and i'm wrong? 12:55 my bag exploded. i made some comments in #evilhack, forgetting that these people who do not play the game lurk and live to argue. 12:55 it's pathetic 12:55 yeah i'm a drunk.. yeah i have problems... but holy shit, i would never hang out in an irc channel of a game i don'tr play 12:56 and then deny the comments i mae 12:56 nSW 12:56 MADE 12:57 at least i'm not a liar 12:57 I'm not gonna read the logs right now to see if you were right but the fact of the matter is that right now you're being a pain 12:57 i'm leaving. peacer 12:57 lol I see you were baiting first 12:57 peace 12:57 dude sucks 12:57 at least be honest about it 12:57 also yeah your innocent little comment was the classic rebatela "bait into paranoid argument" gambit 12:58 no, it just sorta went there 12:58 and then sneak dissing me, the greatest nethack player to ever do it! shameful 12:58 "oh wait i would have been prompted if i wanted to do it... sometimes i forget this is "evil" hack" 12:58 hehe 12:59 i love ya'll i really do and have respect... i DO think it's crazy to be a fan of paranoid options when you're a fast player and i guess it's just a coincidence.. but it's never going to be taken seriously 13:00 I'll do a run without paranoid options and still beat your best realtime 13:00 fair enough 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3999 points, T:2514, quit 13:00 there's no way to compare anymore... 13:00 i don't see how you don't get it... 13:01 whatever you know exactly the sort of response comments like that get in this channel 13:01 I take my time now... i'll go to the bathroom and not save. smoke a cig. it's meaningless 13:01 ab ab. 13:02 abcd xdminsy 13:02 when you can walk into lava and not have it effect you? realtime is meaningless 13:02 this is classic instigating but I'm going to do the paranoidless run anyway 13:03 instigation? don't be so paranoid, Loggers! 13:03 hahaha 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Baphomet, on T:34261 (6:00:24) 13:05 what? as far as the response comments? 13:05 huh the enchantress summoning insects thing does sound odd 13:05 dude, no one is on my side 13:05 [discord] literal first demon i encounter gates in baph 13:05 the silent majority knows i'm 100% right 13:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:05 [discord] good thing it wasn't an actually dangerous demon instead 13:06 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:06 i get it if someone who doesn't ascend is petitioning for rule changes... but arguing for paranoid LAVA when you're arguably the best player on the planet is lame 13:06 baphomet is interesting because depending on your build he's either completely terrifying or a mild speed bump 13:07 the only thing I'm the best at is speed anyway 13:07 and that's only because no halfway competent speedrunners play evilhack 13:07 rebatela, let it go. K2 isn't even here to be influenced by arguments about evil's features right now 13:07 maybe we can make it so if you start to attack melee an opponent that can drain you or fuck you up, it will say "are you sure? " 13:08 then people like terrapin will have more fun 13:08 ARE YOU SURE? 13:08 you are being comically antagonistic right now 13:08 if there's one thing i'm not, it's a speedrunner 13:09 it's in the name 13:09 heh 13:09 [discord] wait which one of you is for paranoid swim? 13:09 i just honestly couldnt believe that you were one of the proponents... Oh wow!! Nice speed records! 13:10 hell yeah they are 13:10 no one is ever going to take it seriously, just so ya know 13:10 [discord] > maybe we can make it so if you start to attack melee an opponent that can drain you or fuck you up, it will say "are you sure? " 13:10 [discord] god i WISH that were real 13:10 well I find them impressive 13:10 [discord] paranoid_passive 13:10 if you want to hyperfocus on paranoid swim that's fine, but the reason I have the realtime record is because I am faster than you 13:10 i'm gonna cry and get the rules changed 13:11 it's not the same game... ARE YOU SURE? 13:11 schedule that for ~five days from now when K2 gets back 13:11 [discord] yeah it's so much better 13:11 [discord] i am not going back to alt.org until they get paranoid swim 13:12 [discord] honestly a whole different game with it 13:12 [discord] the best feature of all time 13:12 keep breaking your own records... they will always have a * 13:12 [discord] not sure why it's a toggle tho. should just be on at all times 13:12 you've said you were gonna leave like 3 times, would you do it already? lol 13:13 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:24827 (10:53:29) 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:642 (0:02:10) 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:781 (0:03:01) 13:19 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a cloth cloak entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:1318 (0:06:01) 13:20 yippee coaligned minetown 13:20 woohoo 13:20 go go Loggers! 13:21 also a random +5 cloth cloak 13:21 entrusted! 13:21 I'll stick to the robe for casting :P 13:25 oh and orc temple??? this run's great 13:26 !lastgame jon 13:26 Loggers_VIII: No last game for jon. 13:26 oh that must have been a milky ghost 13:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:35527 (6:22:42) 13:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:2420 (0:12:25) 13:28 leave that figurine be, it's a trap!!! 13:28 [discord] go for the figurine, its awesome!!! 13:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 16 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:2625 (0:13:54) 13:29 I don't have a magic whistle so I'm gonna leave it and come back later 13:29 actually, maybe I'll use it to kill the shopkeepers 13:29 I never got shuriken from saccing even though I am weaponless :-( 13:29 oh huh, there's an engraving on this altar. never noticed 13:30 I almost always get billions of shuriken when all I want is gloves or boots 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Tal'Gath, on T:35802 (6:26:38) 13:31 this is why I think evil should have the swap chest. I could give you my shuriken that I don't want 13:32 lol yeah I got useless boots and gloves from saccing when I already had dragonbane an speed boots 13:32 ooh I can use a frost horn to get into the secret altar room, and open the vaults with a stethoscope. I've never done that! 13:33 [discord] feels like the hidden dungeon only has a magic marker if i'm already balling 13:33 this is the way 13:35 [discord] can black dragon passive disintigrate your own QA? 13:35 yes 13:37 I suppose only an Infidel wielding the Idol could safely whack a black dragon 13:38 [discord] dang i didn't think xiuhcoatl could possibly be any more useless but here we are 13:39 does holy water cure termill if you're chaotci 13:39 *chaotic? 13:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Huan Ti, on T:5395 (0:24:21) 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:25651 (11:17:36) 13:41 probably not loggers 13:41 to the wiki 13:41 [discord] but really it's probably an oversight, normally your own QA is supposed to resist 100% of the time vs regular artifact 95% 13:42 "you are now most skilled in martial arts" \o/ 13:42 shrigis you can throw xiuhcoatl and it will return to your hand 13:42 personally I love that 13:43 oh and finally a unihorn, zombies not an issue anymore :) 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:75879 (12:01:13) 13:43 yeah xiuhcoatl is nice I think 13:43 wiki confirms: holy water no good for cha to cure illness 13:44 fire resistance when wielded is sort of useless but thematic so whatever 13:44 thanks mobileuser 13:47 [discord] yeah just like mjollnir except it's poopy fire damage that everyone is immune to instead of cool lightning damage 13:47 [discord] check this insane upstair placement (all the corridors were dug by me looking for it) 13:47 [discord] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204191497331810338/1233836979238473880/Screen_Shot_2024-04-27_at_12.46.36_PM.png?ex=662e8bbb&is=662d3a3b&hm=dc4d424c74276208a2beb80d40bce5d0432debdecb1fe92f24cb931b7e60fb3f& 13:47 [discord] not reliable either, fails to return half the time 13:48 [discord] I feel down a shaft past that level so didn't know where the upstair was 13:48 ok, you're not a fan :-) 13:48 huh, those bridged messages ping me 13:49 [discord] they took away my half spell damage from orb of detection 13:49 cuz my discord username (loggers_viii) is part of the message and the same as my IRC nick 13:49 [discord] i can never forgive that 13:50 ackkk "you get a bad feeling about this." 13:50 "you kill Dagul!" that's what you get asshole 13:51 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:51 I warned you :-P 13:51 bbl, food time 13:52 I should have heeded the warning, but I was too greedy 13:52 I'm going to eat also 13:52 Loggers once I can't find downstars too, I dug down and return find it was in swamps :( 13:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:37365 (6:51:57) 13:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:37372 (6:52:02) 14:05 "poopy fire damage that everyone is immune to instead of cool lightning damage" -- then proceeds to quickly kill lots of monsters without fire res :-P 14:09 [discord] yeah it's a reasonable weapon for the 20 minutes between getting it and entering gehennom 14:09 [discord] after that vlad is the 1 guy who will take fire damage 14:09 [discord] unless ur counting trash mobs 14:12 [discord] > Xiuhcoatl fails to return! 14:12 [discord] great just great 14:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 968372 points, T:38500, killed by Juiblex 14:18 [discord] was not having fun with that run at all 14:18 [discord] just glad it's over 14:18 [discord] D: 14:19 [discord] accidentally replied to that message, the sad face was about your death 14:19 [discord] yeah just got surrounded by demons because they are immune to fire. only a matter of time until one gated in a lord 14:20 [discord] the real mistake was the accidental crowning which left me with 0 options for weapons because no excalibur 14:20 [discord] xiuhcoatl ought to deal fire damage to demons too 14:21 [discord] feels like a nerf over orb of detection 14:21 [discord] I guess it’s sort of like the healer staff where it gets a lot worse in Gehennom. I’ve had many a bad time using that one as my main weapon at the point in the game 14:21 [discord] half spell damage is essential 14:21 [discord] at least have it return 100% of the time smh 14:22 [discord] literally an aklys otherwise 14:22 [discord] yeah the fail to return thing is dumb. If it is gonna exist then it should only happen at low skill 14:23 [discord] i think a rule like "you can always catch your quest artifact and it always returns" is fairly reasonable 14:23 [discord] like how only tourists get blessed charging from theirs 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:79476 (12:45:44) 14:28 oof damn... 14:31 I've sometimes wished for eg a silver atlatl of shock to 2-weapon with 14:35 [discord] key word shock 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Shadowblade, on T:80052 (12:54:27) 14:40 [discord] > The hobgoblin hurls a milky potion! The milky potion slips as the hobgoblin throws it! A milky potion shatters! 14:40 [discord] i don't get a prompt to type-name milky potions? i feel like this is a hint that they are bad for me 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 1508 points, T:2452, killed by an orcish arrow 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:81216 (13:06:29) 14:50 "ring of slow digestion (opal)" hmmm where tf did I learn that... 14:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:82131 (13:13:20) 14:56 ab 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:82159 (13:14:18) 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:82679 (13:16:45) 15:02 ab. 15:05 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3319 (0:21:22) 15:06 i too only have one ab 15:07 ab Umbire. evilhack drow :-) 15:07 thank mobileuser 15:07 and ab to you as well 15:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3402 (0:22:14) 15:07 thx 15:08 [discord] > o - a magical ring of invisibility named The One Ring 15:08 [discord] isn't that redundant? all rings of invisibility are magical 15:09 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:10 yeah there should probably be something against calling artifacts with already-magical base items magical 15:11 you are a wizard, you will be notifid of magical items whether it's trivial or not 15:11 * notified 15:11 it is for insurance purposes 15:11 lol 15:12 it's just weird because you already know the ring is magical, cause it's a ring of invisibility 15:12 the 'magical' is of course because the artifact hasn't been identified, but it's still redundant 15:13 should be "extra-magical" for artifacts like that :P 15:13 ur still redundant 15:13 (hi Loggers_VIII) 15:13 hallo 15:13 Hello Loggers_VIII, Welcome to #evilhack 15:13 I actually like the extra-magical idea. though it should be called something cooler 15:15 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 15:15 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of old gloves on an altar, on T:4388 (0:31:29) 15:26 I remember that I have menucolor for magical items. 15:26 Then when I play wizards, I find that there so many magical items :P 15:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6688 points, T:5202, killed by a mountain dwarf 15:27 Nearly all scrolls, rings, potions are all magical IIRC. 15:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:10482 (0:51:25) 15:33 eww what the hell gold AND reflection? 15:33 I should have taken the tool 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2668 (0:25:50) 15:33 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3059 (0:28:55) 15:37 paranoid_passive is a good idea and I'm probably going to implement it in my variant (nndnh) 15:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3950 points, T:3154, killed by a wand 15:41 although giving a prompt for each attack against a monster with a passive might be annoying 15:42 "might be" 15:44 rebatela shouldn't ask me in how many game channels I am of games I don't play and still have design opinions about :-D 15:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3180 (0:53:52) 15:47 Noisytoot: It could ask only if the passive could kill you 15:47 and/or the first time in a given game you attack a monster with a passive 15:50 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:51 I think the best way to implement that passive is if the previous action was movement 15:52 But it also makes sense not to "turn on" the passive for a monster until you experience its passive for the first time in a game 15:53 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Dro Mal Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:35950 (20:59:04) 15:55 magic marker \o/ 15:55 gj 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6053 points, T:4265, poisoned by an orcish arrow 15:56 mobileuser, on the note of wiki business the Hidden Dungeon article is up if you're in a mood 15:57 the Tal'Gath article already has a lot of Hidden Dungeon information 15:59 Yeah, but there's a proper level article now that might need some additional touches 15:59 aah I see 16:00 misread "is up" as "is up next" 16:02 ah 16:05 I would probably move part of the strat section of tal'gath to the hidden dungeon strat section, and then add something about the non-tal'gath dangers 16:05 also, I think there is always a shambling horror? 16:06 oh shown on the map 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Koeranen the elf zombie, and former Lookout, on T:1833 (0:15:46) 16:12 thank @Loggers_VIII for all that 16:12 dammit balrog, don't zap my wraiths with poly 16:12 ah, thx Loggers! 16:12 [discord] You only get the prompt if it hits you or something else and you see its effects 16:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2860 (0:30:15) 16:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:3595 (0:14:59) 16:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3069 points, T:4187, killed by the Goblin King 16:36 Alright, gonna start on drow stuff and do sewage on the side - you guys remember sewage showing up anywhere else in variants? 16:39 I added some sewage stuff to the main evilhack page 16:40 original commit mentions NetHack Fourk? 16:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:4237 (0:23:27) 16:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:5163 (0:29:39) 16:47 Hm hmmm 16:50 <[> does grunthack have sewage or just water in the mines? 16:50 Water 16:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) polymorphed her first object, on T:6211 (0:39:24) 16:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 8156 points, T:6229, killed by a poisoned blast 16:57 !lastgame lacca 16:57 Umbire: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1714249068.evil.html 16:57 iron golem? 16:58 Sure was 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:83990 (13:36:25) 17:19 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 306 points, T:574, zombified by a kobold zombie 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 440 points, T:1015, killed by a bolt of cold 17:28 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +2 grayswandir", on T:85277 (13:58:17) 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:85277 (13:58:38) 17:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] Goon (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:68540 (1 day, 4:55:31) 17:38 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:85456 (14:06:46) 17:40 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:85541 (14:08:33) 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Glamdring, on T:85618 (14:09:28) 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "cursed magic lamp", on T:85665 (14:10:52) 17:55 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:33710 (6:48:23) 17:56 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had an axe entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:33762 (6:49:46) 18:00 Hmmm, I wonder if the sewage info means "being a tortle by base race" or just poly 18:02 both polymorphed tortles and base race ones are immune to sewage slowing, if that's what you mean 18:03 Ya 18:03 Just confirmed 18:11 <[> do you mean base race tortles regardless of whether or not they're polymorphed, or anyone polymorphed into a tortle? 18:13 unpolyd base-race tortles and anyone polymorphed into a tortle form 18:18 I was going to say "so youracedata->mtyp == PM_TORTLE" but apparently the youracedata macro only exists in dnh 18:24 Trying to remember if Hack'EM has sewage mines 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:27046 (11:44:10) 18:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) had a pair of low boots entrusted to him by Crom, on T:27515 (11:56:06) 19:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:27799 (12:11:48) 20:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una), 373 points, T:445, killed by a wand 20:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2102 (0:15:51) 20:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:2179 (0:16:44) 20:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dart on an altar, on T:5836 (0:48:33) 20:55 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.2.1] 21:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3468 points, T:3149, killed by a dwarf lord 21:01 -!- botifico has joined #evilhack 21:02 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/5408f2ee72e7...ad042cf9b1f7 21:02 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin ad042cf - Fix: reactivate offhand weapon intrinsics when catching a returning weapon 21:04 nice 21:10 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:7187 (1:03:56) 21:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1369 (0:11:41) 21:14 !tell mobileuser https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dark_elven_dagger_(EvilHack) 21:14 Will do, Umbire! 21:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2562 points, T:2128, killed by a snake, while praying 21:20 now to do an adamantine article... 21:20 there's a redirect to SpliceHack already 21:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una), 24 points, T:101, killed by a newt 21:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una), 503 points, T:738, killed by the Goblin King 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Ith Fem Una), 808 points, T:1137, killed by the Goblin King 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Sithrin (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:28452 (12:43:43) 22:23 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 22:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2682 (0:49:20) 22:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 22:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 22:29 yay a boh 22:31 "the housecat inside is dead!" 22:31 who put a dead cat in the bag 22:31 sick fuck needs to be beaten to death 22:31 "The housecat's corpse glows iridescently. Schroedinger's cat is resurrected!" 22:31 he's back 22:32 Oh, speaking of 22:32 recent 3.7 lets you revive pets by praying with their corpse on an altar 22:34 yeah I've seen that 22:34 very very niche 22:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:86268 (14:25:37)